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Feng Popo	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:18:00 - [1] Can someone tell me the logic in taking a high point off the rook and replacing with a low one. Will this be with the new ships made after the patch, or will I wake up to find my main ship I use every dang day nerfed.
Riho Northen Breeze	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:21:00 - [2] ECM bonus got boosted on it
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:24:00 - [3] Originally by: Riho ECM bonus got boosted on it Wrong. Bonuses are the same. Extra high was rather useless due to grid requirements for missiles. Could barely fit a nos. Instead, we now get an extra low, meaning more ecm strength.
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:25:00 - [4] Originally by: Feng Popo Can someone tell me the logic in taking a high point off the rook and replacing with a low one. Will this be with the new ships made after the patch, or will I wake up to find my main ship I use every dang day nerfed. Are you somehow stupid? The simple fact that the rook can now fit a 1600 plate and 2 SDA or 3 SDA is much more worth then the dps you get out of a HML oder an AML, lol @damage ew ships. Not to mention the general buff of the ECM as a whole.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:27:00 - [5] It's a buff. Sig removed for the third time, inappropriate content. Sig Locked. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Feng Popo	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:30:00 - [6] You use your rook for what you want to and I use mine for what I want to. I happen to like 5 missles and a cloak or salvager. and NO I dont use plates, so that low slot is butt useless
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:32:00 - [7] Originally by: Feng Popo and NO I dont use plates, so that low slot is butt useless A third SDA gives you 11.7% more jam strength while a plate grants you with a decent amount of survivability..what's your problem? Sig removed for the third time, inappropriate content. Sig Locked. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:33:00 - [8] Originally by: Feng Popo You use your rook for what you want to and I use mine for what I want to. I happen to like 5 missles and a cloak or salvager. and NO I dont use plates, so that low slot is butt useless Fly a falcon when you want to fit a cloak. OFC CCP can be blaimed for the simple fact that some ppl fly random weird setups. So its ofc hard for their gms to find a balance that suits weird setups and thing ships are not introduced for. Maybe you can now fit a wcs in your new achieved low slot, makes as much sense as the cloak.
Feng Popo	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:38:00 - [9] 5 missles and a salvager is a wierd set up? The falcon doesnt pack the missle punch, and I dont use guns. I do have one for getting where I need to go, and popping a field.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Feng Popo 5 missles and a salvager is a wierd set up? The falcon doesnt pack the missle punch, and I dont use guns. I do have one for getting where I need to go, and popping a field. Post with your main. Caldari recons are not there to deal dps, they are there to annoy the hell out of your opponents. Period. Sig removed for the third time, inappropriate content. Sig Locked. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:41:00 - [11] Originally by: Feng Popo 5 missles and a salvager is a wierd set up? The falcon doesnt pack the missle punch, and I dont use guns. I do have one for getting where I need to go, and popping a field. we are talking at pvp at this point? Based on the fact that a rook is still effectiv at a 160km I see no point at fitting a "punch" some AML for killing drones maybe, but hanging around in t1 ammo range with a none plated rook doest seem that uber smart, cause a tempest will end you with one volley.
Feng Popo	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:45:00 - [12] Sorry dont waste my time with PvP and nothing gets within 50km of me.
Arii Smith Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:48:00 - [13] Joke post?
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Feng Popo Sorry dont waste my time with PvP and nothing gets within 50km of me. Lol. You're flying an ECM ship, with a cloak, and using missiles on it? You do realise a caracal would do a better job right?
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:49:00 - [15] Originally by: Feng Popo Sorry dont waste my time with PvP and nothing gets within 50km of me. Wow a PVE rook, what a waste of 3 out of 4 bonuses. Have you ever considered usign a pve ship for pve? like cererus, drake, raven?
Nizomi Caldari Technopolis Ventures	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:50:00 - [16] Originally by: Feng Popo Sorry dont waste my time with PvP and nothing gets within 50km of me. THIS ^^
Feng Popo	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:51:00 - [17] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Have you ever considered usign a pve ship for pve? like cererus, drake, raven?[/quote Nope dont own nuttin bigger than a crusier and do just fine.
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.12.04 09:56:00 - [18] Edited by: Gyro DuAquin1 on 04/12/2007 09:55:51 Originally by: Feng Popo Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Have you ever considered usign a pve ship for pve? like cererus, drake, raven?[/quote Nope dont own nuttin bigger than a crusier and do just fine. last time i checked the cerb is a cruiser, not to mention that is a free high slot for your salvager, caracal is also a cruiser, with cruiser 5 you probally get more "punch". In general I thing its no nerf at all as most of the rooks are actually used in pvp, the way ccp introduced it for.
Feng Popo	Posted - 2007.12.04 10:01:00 - [19] I had a caracal for 2 days, its low sensor rating turned me off form ever using it. Im glad they made the rook better for you pack of hungry gate camping wolves. I refuse to play your game. shut down time, hope to cloak on by you in low sec, like I do all the others
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.04 10:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Feng Popo I had a caracal for 2 days, its low sensor rating turned me off form ever using it. Im glad they made the rook better for you pack of hungry gate camping wolves. I refuse to play your game. shut down time, hope to cloak on by you in low sec, like I do all the others .......Rofl Mate....A caracal with an eccm low slot mod will be more use. Caracal has 1 more low (After trinity) than the rook, does more damage, and has a high slot for a cloak/salvager. Or you could keep carebearing in a pvp ship :) Now excuse me whilst i go on a roaming gang in my skiff.
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.12.04 10:06:00 - [21] Originally by: Feng Popo I had a caracal for 2 days, its low sensor rating turned me off form ever using it. Im glad they made the rook better for you pack of hungry gate camping wolves. I refuse to play your game. shut down time, hope to cloak on by you in low sec, like I do all the others can i have your stuff? BTW cerberus and rook have pertty much same skill requierments. But about your stuff...
Nizomi Caldari Technopolis Ventures	Posted - 2007.12.04 10:09:00 - [22] Originally by: Feng Popo I had a caracal for 2 days, its low sensor rating turned me off form ever using it. Im glad they made the rook better for you pack of hungry gate camping wolves. I refuse to play your game. shut down time, hope to cloak on by you in low sec, like I do all the others A cerberus has better damage, better tank and is in all ways better for npc'ing than a rook.
Evil Rick	Posted - 2007.12.04 10:18:00 - [23] Can I ask what your using the Rook for? I mean if it's PVE then wouldn't you be better off using a HAC? Last time I checked Recon's were best in gangs because of the low dps no?
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.04 10:20:00 - [24] Massive fail detected. Sig removed for the third time, inappropriate content. Sig Locked. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 10:53:00 - [25] Originally by: Feng Popo Can someone tell me the logic in taking a high point off the rook and replacing with a low one. Will this be with the new ships made after the patch, or will I wake up to find my main ship I use every dang day nerfed. WTF is wrong with all these idiots on eve forums, Nightmare gets a huge buff, people whine and want the old half-assed split weapon system abominaion back, now the rook finally get some sort of buff, and voila, whines incoming! hey how about we give the rook 8 high's, and just eat away the mids and lows, that will help miss im'a alt here feel good in eve land! i will bet that if they give the apoc some cool role, and make it a great ship, people will whine aboyut it, and demand the old ship back, as it was "better" before. It's great being Amarr isn't it. Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
Shiken Kan	Posted - 2007.12.04 10:55:00 - [26] the ecm boats aren't that bad for pve tbh, i take a bb over a caracal anytime, whether its for missions or ratting.
Strife Phoenix Acerbus Vindictum Nex Super Vos	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:07:00 - [27] So.. how do you fit this PvE ultimate Rook of DOOM then? High HMLs, Cloak/Salvager I know. Mids: LSE and resistance amps?! Lows: PDU?! Acerbus-Vindictum - Revelare Pecunia!
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:34:00 - [28] Originally by: Feng Popo I had a caracal for 2 days, its low sensor rating turned me off form ever using it. Im glad they made the rook better for you pack of hungry gate camping wolves. I refuse to play your game. shut down time, hope to cloak on by you in low sec, like I do all the others if you are just doing PVE, you should know that rats ECM jamming is purely chance based, and your sensor strength has no bearing... meaning you will get jammed in your rook AS OFTEN (on average) as your would in a caracal, or more importantly, a cerb. upgrade to a cerb, you will be much happier with its improved performance. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
Sol Basso Merchants Trade Consortium	Posted - 2007.12.04 11:49:00 - [29] The high moved to low is so the Rook and Falcon can achieve the same max jam strength. The Falcon already had 3 lows, since its now getting 20% per level bonus (same as Rook) it would have been a better jammer as it could have a 3rd ECM Amp So the Rook needed the 3rd low to keep the ships ECM strengths the same.
Fong SaiYuk The Establishment	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:07:00 - [30] Epic troll post. Would read again.
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2007.12.04 12:57:00 - [31] Considering the Rook is a ECM ship designed for LONG range, the ability to fit a plate, amplifier, damage mod or something else (who's up for a "nano"-Rook?) surely does it better for the Rook than a Utility hi-slot? anything you can use in that hi-slot contradicts to either the long range of the ship or the lock time required to be efficient (cloak) - And if you are using this ship for PvE only you should be put to sleep for Abusing an ECM ship instead of a Cerberus... - I'm a nice guy!! MOA is NOT UGLY!!! It's A FREAK SHOW!!!!
Flurren	Posted - 2007.12.04 14:45:00 - [32] I really hope this isnt a joke because being a joke would ruin all the comedy golds.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2007.12.04 14:54:00 - [33] Wow the rooks getting an extra low instead of a high, brilliant it'll be even more evil in pve oh baby! 3 bcus and rig slots for range, and still a 7 mid slot shield tank, OMG UBAR! ...okay now back to reality...
Pinky Denmark The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2007.12.04 15:02:00 - [34] Rook for PvE? Don't say stuff like that - I bet someone believes you - I'm a nice guy!! MOA is NOT UGLY!!! It's A FREAK SHOW!!!!
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.12.04 16:36:00 - [35] Edited by: Arvald on 04/12/2007 16:36:51 Originally by: Pinky Denmark Considering the Rook is a ECM ship designed for LONG range, the ability to fit a plate, amplifier, damage mod or something else (who's up for a "nano"-Rook?) ok now i HAVE to try this --------------------------- Im in your systemz scanning your moonz
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2007.12.04 17:23:00 - [36] Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 04/12/2007 16:36:51 Originally by: Pinky Denmark Considering the Rook is a ECM ship designed for LONG range, the ability to fit a plate, amplifier, damage mod or something else (who's up for a "nano"-Rook?) ok now i HAVE to try this yeah much more viable with the ecm cap reduction buff with the patch too
Oam Mkoll Caldari HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 17:45:00 - [37] Originally by: Feng Popo Sorry dont waste my time with PvP and nothing gets within 50km of me. LMAO are you saying you're using a RECON CRUISER with the best EW in the game for PvE? This is either a bad troll attempt or a clean winner of Ebayer of the Year Award. --- I am violence boat
Xauxau	Posted - 2007.12.04 19:36:00 - [38] Originally by: Waxau Lol. You're flying an ECM ship, with a cloak, and using missiles on it? You do realise a caracal would do a better job right? She doesn't want anything getting to close to her, remember... A Caracal won't let you have your rats targeted and under fire at just under 100km. A Cerebus will get your sensor range almost out to that distance, but it gives you 30% less CPU to work with than the Rook. I can understand where the OP is coming from. A loner. Using a cloak to avoid trouble heading out to some abandoned spot to rat in 0.0, or maybe just lowsec. Switching cloak to a salvager for extra cash if she gets the chance to dock somewhere and feels safe. I'm not saying its the most efficient playstyle, but having done similar things, there is something lots of fun about fitting a missile boat that obliterates rats before they get into range to shoot back. If you lose a high slot, the rats might get a shot or two off before you can finish them. Its not that this puts you in any real danger, its just the PRINCIPLE of the thing! They should not be able to splash their em pulses against my shields, darn it to heck!
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.04 19:55:00 - [39] Originally by: Xauxau Originally by: Waxau Lol. You're flying an ECM ship, with a cloak, and using missiles on it? You do realise a caracal would do a better job right? She doesn't want anything getting to close to her, remember... A Caracal won't let you have your rats targeted and under fire at just under 100km. A Cerebus will get your sensor range almost out to that distance, but it gives you 30% less CPU to work with than the Rook. I can understand where the OP is coming from. A loner. Using a cloak to avoid trouble heading out to some abandoned spot to rat in 0.0, or maybe just lowsec. Switching cloak to a salvager for extra cash if she gets the chance to dock somewhere and feels safe. I'm not saying its the most efficient playstyle, but having done similar things, there is something lots of fun about fitting a missile boat that obliterates rats before they get into range to shoot back. If you lose a high slot, the rats might get a shot or two off before you can finish them. Its not that this puts you in any real danger, its just the PRINCIPLE of the thing! They should not be able to splash their em pulses against my shields, darn it to heck! Caracal does the same damage, and has the same range. All that differs is the range. As for fittings....The op is moaning about losing a high and gaining a low. Caracal has the extra high, is dirt cheap, and has 4 lows. Enough for the extra sensor strength if he wants, and a cpu mod. That then leaves two lows for bcu, as he would for the rook. Only difference is that its not 60 mil, it has its original function, and wont get him laughed at by the entire community. ~Next step also is a cerb, which can have a 200km range with heavies. If you believe a rook is better, then fine. Please announce it here so folks can laugh.
Feng Popo	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:14:00 - [40] The main reason I use the rook for ratting and lvl 3, and some lvl 4 missions is that I have all the skills because of my heavy exploration skills. The lock range and many mid slots make it darn hard to kill. I love killing rat BSs with it. The high sensor rating makes unlocks a thing of the past. I tried bucking up the caracals sensor rating, but it still wasnt as good. I hardly use a cloak with the rook, the salvager fills the 5th slot. The Falcon is a much better sneaky bird. It funny how all your PK rapers are amazed some one uses EW ships for PvE. I like over kill. But then I take a stealth bomber into 4/10 plexes and use it for most level 3 missions. Guess ill see whats new with the patch, and adjust accordingly. Might have to skill up the T-2 caracal. This is not a troll post, I really do use these ships.
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:35:00 - [41] Originally by: Feng Popo The main reason I use the rook for ratting and lvl 3, and some lvl 4 missions is that I have all the skills because of my heavy exploration skills. The lock range and many mid slots make it darn hard to kill. I love killing rat BSs with it. The high sensor rating makes unlocks a thing of the past. I tried bucking up the caracals sensor rating, but it still wasnt as good. I hardly use a cloak with the rook, the salvager fills the 5th slot. The Falcon is a much better sneaky bird. It funny how all your PK rapers are amazed some one uses EW ships for PvE. I like over kill. But then I take a stealth bomber into 4/10 plexes and use it for most level 3 missions. Guess ill see whats new with the patch, and adjust accordingly. Might have to skill up the T-2 caracal. This is not a troll post, I really do use these ships. Dude - Using an EW recon ship is not overkill. It makes your life hardwork. Get a cerb and you'll see what we mean. The sensor strength is a statistic, aswell as luck based. Check the cerbs sensor strength with an eccm, and then check your rooks. They'll be pretty close. And as for tank - Even the cerb can get a better tank than the rook. Then theres the fact of bonuses. More dps and more range with the cerb. Means less chance of being jammed, and faster missions, thus more isk. The only overkill in npcing, is using large ships for small jobs, like a BS for lv 1's. Using a rook for lv 3s and 4s is making your life hard work for no reason. And ofcourse gives you a bad reputation
Shereza	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:38:00 - [42] .... I can see turning the rook into a PvE ship but I can't really see it doing L4s all that well. If the caracal's not your cup of tea have you tried the drake? It's cheaper than the rook and you only need BC3 to make an okay L4 ship out of it. If getting jammed is a problem for you either fit FoF missiles (which might not be the best thing since you can somehow "aggress" buildings by just being next to them) or get halfway decent drone skills and wait for the Trinity upgrade to let you tell them to concentrate fire so you don't need to be able to lock a target to get them all attacking the same target. They can even, eventually, take out battleships.
Oam Mkoll Caldari HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:43:00 - [43] Originally by: Feng Popo The high sensor rating makes unlocks a thing of the past. I tried bucking up the caracals sensor rating, but it still wasnt as good. You do know that the devs stated NPC ECM is purely chance-based and has nothing to do with sensor strength, right? Otherwise the new low-sensor Marauders would be the LAST type of ship anyone would ever use against Guristas and such.. --- I am violence boat
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:46:00 - [44] Omg Waxau, change that damn sig, every time i look at it i try to figure out any patterns/things in it, but i guess there are none in it Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR!
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:50:00 - [45] Edited by: madaluap on 04/12/2007 20:51:24 Originally by: Feng Popo I had a caracal for 2 days, its low sensor rating turned me off form ever using it. Im glad they made the rook better for you pack of hungry gate camping wolves. I refuse to play your game. shut down time, hope to cloak on by you in low sec, like I do all the others HAHAHHAHHAAHHA, 9/10 for trolling. Quote: It funny how all your PK rapers OMFG LOL _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:52:00 - [46] Originally by: arbalesttom Omg Waxau, change that damn sig, every time i look at it i try to figure out any patterns/things in it, but i guess there are none in it ^^ If you really cant see the image, then i guess i can be classed as an artist, as i made an optical illusion! however, i guess i have to give ccp some rights :( *Hugs his vulture camo. Shame it gets lost in the new graphics....
Karrade Krise	Posted - 2007.12.04 20:56:00 - [47] after trinity, I say we get a small gang together and go suicide gank this uber carebear in his uber leet rook... Sig locked, I will not make fun of the forum mods
Feng Popo	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:07:00 - [48] Edited by: Feng Popo on 04/12/2007 21:07:46 Originally by: Shereza .... I can see turning the rook into a PvE ship but I can't really see it doing L4s all that well. If the caracal's not your cup of tea have you tried the drake? It's cheaper than the rook and you only need BC3 to make an okay L4 ship out of it. If getting jammed is a problem for you either fit FoF missiles (which might not be the best thing since you can somehow "aggress" buildings by just being next to them) or get halfway decent drone skills and wait for the Trinity upgrade to let you tell them to concentrate fire so you don't need to be able to lock a target to get them all attacking the same target. They can even, eventually, take out battleships. Wont fly nothing bigger than a crusier, and dont like FoFs at all. Thansk for the nice post, Ill go trian for the T-2 caracal and try one out.
Feng Popo	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:12:00 - [49] Originally by: Karrade Krise after trinity, I say we get a small gang together and go suicide gank this uber carebear in his uber leet rook... See this is the bad part of EVE. You rabid dog gankers The problem your going to have is finding me. Im in my Buzzard and hulk a lot more than my rook. and thats Flaming Carebear to you.
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys Monkey Religion	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:16:00 - [50] There's so much wrong with these posts I really don't know where to start. ---------------- Originally by: "Cyberus" cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
Boomershoot Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2007.12.04 21:48:00 - [51] troll bait got engaged, darn :\| also, ppl who use rook for PVE deserve to lose the ship from an ECCM fitted merlin srsly Originally by: 'CCP Nozh' We did not expect the requests to prematurely end dear Zulupark's existence in this universe, some of which were very imaginative
General Coochie New Justice Minuit.	Posted - 2007.12.04 22:00:00 - [52] Posting in epic thread.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.04 22:02:00 - [53] Edited by: arbalesttom on 04/12/2007 22:02:35 is it my fault - again - this time? Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR!
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2007.12.04 22:33:00 - [54] I am entertained by your thread. As trolls go, it's really rather subtle. Almost to the point that I'm starting to wonder if someone _actually_ shield tanks their rook, and does PvE with it. Just in case the OP is remotely serious, I will make a brief assertion that using the rook as a cruiser sized, shield tanking missile spammer is a bad idea, when you have: The caracal, which is better at being a missile spammer, a little worse at shield tanking, and really cheap. The cerberus that's just better in every way at being a shield tanking missile spamming ship. The drake, that even if you speed and agility fit it, so it handles like a cruiser, is also a really good shield tanking missile spammer. The Rook has 3 bonuses to ECMs, and one to heavy missiles. To throw away one bonus might be considered an esoteric or otherwise interesting setup. To casually discard three of them might be considered carelessness. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? GMP and TNP
Kamen SRBI Circle 0f Two	Posted - 2007.12.05 00:50:00 - [55] Edited by: Kamen on 05/12/2007 00:50:44 Edited by: Kamen on 05/12/2007 00:50:21 Originally by: madaluap Originally by: Feng Popo ... It funny how all your PK rapers OMFG LOL Haha.. I laughed hard too ;) Ever heard of a "" Anyways, P0opoo, you should go troll some Diablo forums because in Diablo they have PK-ers and they don't have recon ships which are intended for a PvP... khm... PK-ing role. Mkay? ------------------------------------------------ (Recruiting ad) SRBI regrutuju! Dodjite na nas javni SRBI kanal.
Darkwingd Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.12.05 01:15:00 - [56] Originally by: Feng Popo Can someone tell me the logic in taking a high point off the rook and replacing with a low one. Will this be with the new ships made after the patch, or will I wake up to find my main ship I use every dang day nerfed. How is it a nerf ? Extra SDA in the low, more strength..... thats a nerf how?
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.12.05 01:29:00 - [57] Originally by: Feng Popo The main reason I use the rook for ratting and lvl 3, and some lvl 4 missions is that I have all the skills because of my heavy exploration skills. The lock range and many mid slots make it darn hard to kill. I love killing rat BSs with it. The high sensor rating makes unlocks a thing of the past. I tried bucking up the caracals sensor rating, but it still wasnt as good. I hardly use a cloak with the rook, the salvager fills the 5th slot. The Falcon is a much better sneaky bird. It funny how all your PK rapers are amazed some one uses EW ships for PvE. I like over kill. But then I take a stealth bomber into 4/10 plexes and use it for most level 3 missions. Guess ill see whats new with the patch, and adjust accordingly. Might have to skill up the T-2 caracal. This is not a troll post, I really do use these ships. npc ecm is pure percentage, does not take sensor strength into account. in any case, just check the rooks description for its bonuses. realize you are not using these bonuses. This makes your skill sps less effective? what level do you have in recon ships? cause it doesnt matter, you are getting ZERO effect from it, might as well have recon ships lvl1, as you wont notice having recon ships lvl5 looks at the cerbs description, and realize that you would use ALL FOUR of its bonuses. it has longer range, more damage, and better tank. you should be able to get into it right now for the most part. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2007.12.06 00:47:00 - [58] Because I haven't seen anyone say it yet. Caracal has 2 lows, not 4. Thank you
Leon 026 Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.12.06 00:49:00 - [59] Mission running in a rook.... priceless. ------- Leon 026 Once I was fallen, now I have wings
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.06 02:57:00 - [60] Insaine, foolish or a troll - I can't decide. leaning towards stupid. -----------
Kuzya Morozov Gallente Organized Combat Consortium	Posted - 2007.12.06 03:29:00 - [61] this thread delivers!
Cdr Foxbat Vanguard Frontiers Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.12.06 06:34:00 - [62] Rook didn't get nerfed - you did! Originally by: Marduk Felzhen Originally by: Vorian Atraties i bid my kidney... i bid his other kidney
Feng Popo	Posted - 2007.12.06 18:12:00 - [63] Haha.. I laughed hard too ;) Ever heard of a "" Anyways, P0opoo, you should go troll some Diablo forums because in Diablo they have PK-ers and they don't have recon ships which are intended for a PvP... khm... PK-ing role. Mkay? As far as PvP, you guys have no idea what PvP is about. EVE is a step up from the hack and slash games (EQ2, GW, WoW, etc). I flew WWII combat fighter sims for over 10 years. But then that would be too hard for you to learn how to do. Learn to fly, an aircraft thats harder to fly than a real one. AND keep some guy off you backside form shooting you down. After you do this, all other PvP is lame, so I dont bother to. Gankers are not pirates. They are PKers. They dont care about booty, just another notch on the kill board. Packs of wild dogs like the ones that camp .04-.03 systems are up and coming pirate wannabes. Heck the ore thieves in high sec are more a pirate than most I slink by in low sec. BTW just to let you all know. When the ore thieves strike noobs in our guild. I lock on to them, WS and NOS them and the noobs missle/drone them to death. So the Rook does have its uses. and for those of you that said get a drake. You missed where I said I dont fly anything bigger than a cruiser. I will be buying a Cerberus today. Thanks for the info.
Waxau Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2007.12.06 18:22:00 - [64] Lol! :) Dude, Eve is only the second mmorpg ive ever played, the first (star wars galaxies) had no pvp in it tbh. The rest have been Combat Flight sim, Battlefield, etc. Doesnt distract me from what makes eve's pvp great. You try flying with 50 other planes (by players) in combat flight sim, and have the game support you do with eve. Then ill play it again
Sedai Hara The Forsakened Companions Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.06 20:06:00 - [65] I have killed loads of shield-tanked blackbirds (they died horribly fast) but a shield tanked rook? come on.. anyway sure, you may do it, but made me ahve some fun, though try out a caracal or cerb (do i get killed if i mention drake in this thread? it do got all you ask for and is cheper than your rook) Oh and btw, pirates kills you in low-sec. and why do you we pvp? to get killz!!!!!11one(or hold space but thast another story) Also: Caracal got 2 lows last time i used one ----------------------------- Originally by: Ozzie Asrail A mega without 3 magstabs fitted is like kladdkaka without chocolate.
Dekein Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.06 20:17:00 - [66] I get the feeling I am being trolled but... Quote: As far as PvP, you guys have no idea what PvP is about. EVE is a step up from the hack and slash games (EQ2, GW, WoW, etc). I flew WWII combat fighter sims for over 10 years. But then that would be too hard for you to learn how to do. Learn to fly, an aircraft thats harder to fly than a real one. AND keep some guy off you backside form shooting you down. After you do this, all other PvP is lame, so I dont bother to. Played nearly all of them, including the modern flight sims. Not a one of them approaches the knowledge or complexity necessary to pilot a real aircraft. None of them incorporate the scale of tactics necessary with large scale warfare in eve. Most were simply knowing the game mechanics and relying on incredibly poor hitbox detection due to bandwidth. Please try again. Quote: BTW just to let you all know. When the ore thieves strike noobs in our guild. I lock on to them, WS and NOS them and the noobs missle/drone them to death. So the Rook does have its uses. Anyone who refers to the people they are playing with as their 'guild' by default has been playing spending a large amount of time in a certain type of game and it isn't a Sim or Eve... Oh the Rook has lots of uses. It's just the ones that you are using it for are all done far better by other ships. _____________________
Dreadpilot Roberts Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.06 21:08:00 - [67] Originally by: Feng Popo Haha.. I laughed hard too ;) Ever heard of a "" Anyways, P0opoo, you should go troll some Diablo forums because in Diablo they have PK-ers and they don't have recon ships which are intended for a PvP... khm... PK-ing role. Mkay? As far as PvP, you guys have no idea what PvP is about. EVE is a step up from the hack and slash games (EQ2, GW, WoW, etc). I flew WWII combat fighter sims for over 10 years. But then that would be too hard for you to learn how to do. Learn to fly, an aircraft thats harder to fly than a real one. AND keep some guy off you backside form shooting you down. After you do this, all other PvP is lame, so I dont bother to. Gankers are not pirates. They are PKers. They dont care about booty, just another notch on the kill board. Packs of wild dogs like the ones that camp .04-.03 systems are up and coming pirate wannabes. Heck the ore thieves in high sec are more a pirate than most I slink by in low sec. BTW just to let you all know. When the ore thieves strike noobs in our guild. I lock on to them, WS and NOS them and the noobs missle/drone them to death. So the Rook does have its uses. and for those of you that said get a drake. You missed where I said I dont fly anything bigger than a cruiser. I will be buying a Cerberus today. Thanks for the info. OH NOES !!! He did it again. rofl Apparently he found out the rook's "other" hidden role. to warp disrupt and nos ppl lmfao, where the hell did u find this chinese dude ? :) he's friggin' hillarious. Ni hao ! :))) I'm sorry, did I say u could speak ?
Feng Popo	Posted - 2007.12.07 23:53:00 - [68] Originally by: Waxau Lol! :) Dude, Eve is only the second mmorpg ive ever played, the first (star wars galaxies) had no pvp in it tbh. The rest have been Combat Flight sim, Battlefield, etc. Doesnt distract me from what makes eve's pvp great. You try flying with 50 other planes (by players) in combat flight sim, and have the game support you do with eve. Then ill play it again Ben there, done that. Ive been in huge furballs and historicals with over 1000 players in them. Dont know how long you played SWG, but there was and is lots of PvP in it. I odnt see whats so great about you camping at a gate waiting for some fool to fly in.
General Coochie New Justice Minuit.	Posted - 2007.12.08 10:02:00 - [69] Originally by: Feng Popo As far as PvP, you guys have no idea what PvP is about. EVE is a step up from the hack and slash games (EQ2, GW, WoW, etc). I flew WWII combat fighter sims for over 10 years. But then that would be too hard for you to learn how to do. Learn to fly, an aircraft thats harder to fly than a real one. AND keep some guy off you backside form shooting you down. After you do this, all other PvP is lame, so I dont bother to. Gankers are not pirates. They are PKers. They dont care about booty, just another notch on the kill board. Packs of wild dogs like the ones that camp .04-.03 systems are up and coming pirate wannabes. Heck the ore thieves in high sec are more a pirate than most I slink by in low sec. BTW just to let you all know. When the ore thieves strike noobs in our guild. I lock on to them, WS and NOS them and the noobs missle/drone them to death. So the Rook does have its uses. and for those of you that said get a drake. You missed where I said I dont fly anything bigger than a cruiser. I will be buying a Cerberus today. Thanks for the info. How do you know we don't know what PvP is? Most ppl posting here probably played a lot of other games aswell. How do you know who's a ganker and who isn't, posting in these boards? Personally I played Quake 2, Unreal tournament, counter strike and other FPSs very seriously on higher levels. By you definition that seems to be what real PvP is about? Still I enjoy eve pvp for a different reason. In eve its a higher element of tactics, in FPS games its a bit more wrist skill aim so to speak. In eve you don't get a kill every 5 seconds. You might have to stalk you victim for an hour, or plan ahead days before. The satisfaction of getting a well thought out kill like that, where you overcome your opponent with your intelligence, is very rewarding for me in a different way then omg my wrist aim got 3 headshots in a row (wich is also rewarding but in a different way) Pesonally I do not gank ppl in low sec. I ransom them for isk. If they don't pay I kill them. Killmails means nothing, the fun of finding, planning and attacking an unwilling target means everything. You coming here telling ppl what they are and what PvP is, is simply making a fool out of yourself. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
lordferatu Genos Occidere The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2007.12.08 11:26:00 - [70] Originally by: Sol Basso The Falcon already had 3 lows, since its now getting 20% per level bonus (same as Rook) it would have been a better jammer as it could have a 3rd ECM Amp I cant log in right now as im at work so can some one tell me OMG IS THIS TRUE? Database doesnt confirm it but that thing hasnt been up to date ever i think. Id love to think my falcon now has a 20% per lvl strength bonus like the rook but i somehow doubt it. If you lied im going to Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Errm.. This is Eve.. Not Bondage Freaks Online..
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.08 11:29:00 - [71] I officially dub this thread of the month. Originally by: ISD Cortes You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females
lordferatu Genos Occidere The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2007.12.08 11:35:00 - [72] Originally by: Sokratesz I officially dub this thread of the month. so we get a rook nerf thread as christmas no.1? i thought we could have done a bit better than that now back to the important point - falcon ecm strength boost??? Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Errm.. This is Eve.. Not Bondage Freaks Online..
Rilder Caldari THC LTD	Posted - 2007.12.08 15:34:00 - [73] Feng Popo is a comedy killmail waiting to happen.
Breed Love Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.12.08 16:59:00 - [74] Hi, my name is Breed Love and I approve of this thread. bump. ----- sigs are for wussies.
Feng Popo	Posted - 2007.12.09 23:05:00 - [75] Edited by: Feng Popo on 09/12/2007 23:07:03 Originally by: General Coochie Pesonally I do not gank ppl in low sec. I ransom them for isk. If they don't pay I kill them. Killmails means nothing, the fun of finding, planning and attacking an unwilling target means everything. quote Well you are one of the excpetions. Take a spin aorund low sec and see the 100s or 1000s of gate campers. Heck the baby campers are flooding high sec. My hat is off to those that fight with honor. There is just more of them, than there is of You. I was mining ice yesterday when a scorp flew in, centered around a few barges and starting setting off smart bombs. He kilt a few barges and pods before he got corded. For what? I do except ISK in game for keeping you all entertained this long.
Smakko Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.12.11 08:35:00 - [76] I think this is where I come into the thread and tell everyone that Scorpions make great Level 4 mission boats, amirite?
Verlaine Glariant Knights of the Flame Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.11 16:03:00 - [77] Originally by: Leon 026 Mission running in a rook.... priceless. haha Verlaine Glariant. Tactical Weapons Specialist.

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