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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.04 22:33:00 -
[31]
I got 2 accounts. And yes i think it's unfair. I made the same topic when i just started and had only one account. I got the second account when the "power of 2" offer was first made. The reason for getting the second account was simple: adaption.
EvE is all about adaption. When almost everyone is running multiple accounts, you got to adapt and get one yourself or you are leaving yourself at a disadvantage. When everyone is flying ****ing nanoships, you got to adapt and set yourself up a nanoship to compete with those, else you are leaving yourself at a disadvantage.
If it was my choice, i'd make it so that you cannot run more than 1 client at a time... but then people would use multiple computers. I'd make it so that no more than 1 connection would be accepted from a single IP, but that would screw over those that have roommates/siblings playing from behind the same router.
Unfortunately, i don't see a way CCP could realistically restrict it to only 1 account per real person. And since they can't, there will always be those that take advantage of it. And since it's legal, by not taking advantage of this yourself you are not adapting and putting yourself at a disadvantage
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2007.12.04 22:36:00 -
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Unfair possibly but fair is a made up concept much like gods.
My experience is don't do it, it takes away from the overall enjoyment, stay with the single character and make what you can out of him.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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elohllird
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.04 22:42:00 -
[33]
no, its not unfair, stop whining
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2007.12.04 22:44:00 -
[34]
Yes, it is unfair.
I do it all the time, because it is so unfair not to do so is foolish.
I think it's _marginally_ less unfair than buying/selling GTCs, because at least with an second character you have the limitation on doing multiple things at once.
However I know just how much more effective I can be doing stuff with main + alt in combat.
You also missed: POS management alt.
Station management alt.
Alliance management alt.
Pirate + support alt.
Recon ship alt or interdictor alt.
A capital ship pilots basically _needs_ a cyno alt.
But most especially the scout alt, is so unbelievably useful.
I don't like that aspect of gameplay. I know how much an advantage an alt gives me in playing EVE, especially in areas like intel gathering. I would much rather that EVE gameplay mechanics were not that way.
However they are.
I still consider it less scummy than GTC trading, but would also much rather have an EVE where it wasn't really rather cruicial to have 'alt support'.
You can get by in _most_ areas without an alt. You don't _need_ an income/industry support alt. Places where they make the most difference are for cynos and scouts, and if I'm honest why I started second account in the first place. The other 'alt' advantages are actually less vital IMO.
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Liv Forever
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Posted - 2007.12.04 22:45:00 -
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To the OP-u have been flamed a bi but i realise that u that you were interested in it's effect on ppl game experience not whether it is cheating/legal or not. This is an interesting question from a psychological/philosophical standpoint and worthy of a thoughful reply. I've benn playing eve for 2 weeks and also alrdy have 2 accounts. One will be specced PVE and the other PVP. i'm just skilling up the PVP accounts learning skills atm and not rly playing him while getting the pve account ready for big mining ships and haulers. One way i hink multi accounts is different from buying isk is that u put in the effort in-game. ISK buyers or gtc seller(same thing) use effort employed out of game to save time in game. My effort is employed in game on both accounts. Of course I have had to work an 15 minutes a week to buy the other account. However, I don't know neone in rl who plays the game. is a group of friends sitting in a room together (one scouting/ one hauling for instance) cheating. I think of my alts like my own group or even clan/guild. I don't care about the social aspect so much so i become as independent as possible by playing my character as different roles that would otherwise have to be played by different ppl. So i become my own mini corp. Does this reduc my game experienc in terms of ocial aspct-yes and im happy with that. Does it reduce my game exprience by giving me ezmode-no because ppl play in fleets/corps r doing same thing (that is nature of game).
The whole RMT issue in mmo is interesting because ppl with better computers, internet connection, location to server, more leisure time do better at mmos so there is a relationship between performance in mmo and RL financial/work situation. Not to mention that i cna never catch up to ppp, whove owned game for 4 yrs (skills wise) so specialisation is my only realistic avenue to become competitive.
I think that the more time goes on the more blurred the relationship between real world and virtual world will blur and the less of an issue RMT in form of currency buying, multi accountss, character selling etc will be. Atm blizz is at one extreme (although even they don't disallow mult accounts) and games like 2nd life entropia r other xtreme where RMT part of game. CCP has positioned EVE in the middle.Bottom line is though-Eve is a world and economy that will never be separated from the real world-we can enter eve via our computer-internet connection-CCP servers. We buy time with real money and can legally sell GTC/characters and have multi accounts. All these thing involve real world aspects and are affected by people real world standings. Insome ways this could be a positive because it will encourage people who dedicate TOO much time(subjective judgement here) to MMOs to pay more attention to rl and strike a better balance because you can only really get the most out of ur gaming expoerience if u are financially secure, physically healthy and mentally alert in RL.
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.12.04 22:51:00 -
[36]
Multiple accounts are a fact of life in the game. I don't think it's a problem if someone uses multiple accounts to do different things (e.g. a trade alt in empire and a 0.0 alliance PVPer).
What I'm seeing though is that it does kill teamwork. I often log in and look for something to help out with and more often than not there is nothing to help with since the others with their army of alts have got everything covered and find it easier to do all the logistics themselves rather than allowing someone else to help.
Unfortunately this leads to the situation where those doing the "work" with multiple accounts start *****ing at everyone else because they never help and leads to a bit of friction. I've seen this in a couple of corps now and I'm sure it's not unique but a rather widespread problem.
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Oku Kee'lus
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Posted - 2007.12.04 22:52:00 -
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Some people have a 2nd ( and a 3rd and a 4th and a 5th et cetera ) account they play with.
Some people have RL friends they play with.
Some people have active/very active corps they play with.
... those 3 things are all basically equal. It doesn't matter if it's you or another person playing the scout/hauler/cyno "alt".
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Eizana
Amarr
Scyanis
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Posted - 2007.12.04 23:40:00 -
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Yes it is unfair. The unfairness does not lie in fact that someone gets to have something for nothing. Obviously if you own 5 accounts you are playing them and paying for them in cash or ISK. What's unfair about it is that some people have more time in real life to play EVE than other people. As a result they can make more of in-game money, decrease risks for themselves, train to do certain things in game faster, and in general have obvious advantage playing EVE simply by virtue of having all this time to spend on computer games. But this is a problem with all mmos - differences in real life situation of players translate to virtual world. Game inherently isn't fair and there's really no way to make it fair. You either accept it or you stop playing mmos.
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Liv Forever
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Posted - 2007.12.05 00:19:00 -
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Two issue addressed by OP and subsequent replies. Fairness and appreciation of the game.
Fairness issues have been comprehensively dealt with imo-see above.
Appreciation needs more thought.
I think of appreciation in terms of the identity of my character/s and their relationship to others and the environment. Does running multi accounts/alts stymie the formation of identity for my characters. Answer is NO (for me).
eg. I have been stealing or in high sec space on a toon. This character gets the identity of an ore thief. People see me and log on alts (oh the irony) to kill me because that character is an ore thief. I log on an alt and scout out an area in an ibis and wait for people to go off guard and start mining again. Ppl don't kill my alt because his identity is not ore thief. When ppl are off guard I log back on ore thief and rob them. This does not compromise the identity of my characters in game and does not ruin my appreciation of the game or my interaction with others.
I comes back again to the fairness aspect. Fact is I could get corp mate or friend to scout for me so it's not unfair but does take away from the social aspect a bit. However, having played games where u have to rely heavily on others to progress, I know that this game style is not for me. I want to be more independent. I will probably become a pirate which will fit my identity perfectly and provide me with the game style i want. I will have a safe alt to make money. Two characters-two identities. Each character treated in game according to his identity in game. Far from detracting from my gam appreciation it will enhance it because I will get to experience the game with two distinct identities. Of course the time that I can dedicate to each will be split. It depends on whether you see an identity in virual reality as having the same boundaries as one in RL. Irl i can have different identities (eg. at work and not at work) but ultimately the oneness of my physical being will suffer the consequences if either of my identities does something illegal/ immoral. Of course in EVE that won't happen because the identities are not connected by a physical self that is tangible to oher players. That physical self is hidden and will only suffer consequences if i break laws created irl (such as EULA or RL criminal/civil laws). So the question that underlies all judgements about fairness and appreciation concerning multiple accounts is : Should each RL person be bound to one in-game identity to maintain the integrity of the real-virtual self? If I don't then I am able to be deceitful and manipulative in cyberspace without repercussion. Like going into a chat room as two different people to deceive and manipulate someone that I'm trying to chat up or sell something to. Actions in cyberspace will always impact/affect me and others irl. My deceit in creating separate in-game identities will affect/ruin other ppls game/rl experience and possibly my own because it is impossible to completely separate RL and virual world experience. However, EVE is a game and all characters/ items are completely owned by CCP.They make the rules for their use. Multi accounting is actively encouraged by CCP with power of 2 so this deceit is a part of the game. In a chat room or on ebay it is a scam that vulnerable people may be exploited by whereas in EVE it is a part of the game which is accepted and encouraged by the developer and the majority of the playing population. Unlike real-life, games are bound by rules and rules are created by the games developers. Quite simply if it's not against the rules it's OK.
Hope that cleared it all up
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elohllird
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.05 00:46:00 -
[40]
ahhh wall of text,
/me dies
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DaveW
Caldari
South Park Development
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Posted - 2007.12.05 01:00:00 -
[41]
 Originally by: Bardolph
Dude, when over 50% of the game is spent WAITING while my ship is in warp, WAITING for a mining laser cycle to complete, or WAITING for a rat to die after pressing F1-F8, I'm perfectly happy to have the opportunity to switch windows and play another character during these WAITING periods.
It makes the game more fun.
This is a Man that understands EVE...!!!
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Kurak Vand
Minmatar
Sturmgrenadier Inc
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Posted - 2007.12.05 01:25:00 -
[42]
1 person running 2 accounts = 2x profit per person for ccp, regardless of if he pays cash or gtc, SOMEONE paid ccp $30 for that person to run 2 accounts that month. Hence, it is in ccp's interest to let people have as many accounts as they want to pay for. This is not going away. The servers will shut down before they would even consider it.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2007.12.05 01:30:00 -
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Quote:
If it was my choice, i'd make it so that you cannot run more than 1 client at a time... but then people would use multiple computers. I'd make it so that no more than 1 connection would be accepted from a single IP, but that would screw over those that have roommates/siblings playing from behind the same router.
It's impossible to prevent people from running multiple accounts, and foolish to even try to make it difficult. Leave it easy and then at least everyone is on the same footing.
Having a scout alt is almost required for low sec jumping (as all the pirates will be happy to tell you) so knocking out second accounts would make it *much* harder for people to adventure safely there. And this would reduce the number of people that go there at all.
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Error404
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Posted - 2007.12.05 01:35:00 -
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If anyone has more than one account then they're sad and should go out more. I wake for work at 6am and then get home at 4pm, i'll often fall asleep cause i'm knackared and then have to go to work when i wake up. On Saturday's it'll be time to go out drinking with the lads and then the only day i really get time to play is on a Sunday. I can't see where anyone else would egt the time to play on more than one account, unless they really prefer sitting on their PC to going out and seeing the world.
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Liv Forever
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Posted - 2007.12.05 01:46:00 -
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Edited by: Liv Forever on 05/12/2007 01:50:20
Edited by: Liv Forever on 05/12/2007 01:48:56
Edited by: Liv Forever on 05/12/2007 01:48:13
Edited by: Liv Forever on 05/12/2007 01:47:53
Originally by: Error404
If anyone has more than one account then they're sad and should go out more. I wake for work at 6am and then get home at 4pm, i'll often fall asleep cause i'm knackared and then have to go to work when i wake up. On Saturday's it'll be time to go out drinking with the lads and then the only day i really get time to play is on a Sunday. I can't see where anyone else would egt the time to play on more than one account, unless they really prefer sitting on their PC to going out and seeing the world.
So let me get this straight-working so hard on weekdays that u r so tired u cant do nething in the evening and just sleep. Then going out Saturday to intoxicate urself so that u can't see or think straight in most likely smoke filled environment flirting with airhead (also drunk) women talking total rubbish in the hope to get laid. Then waking up with a hangover and feeling like crap all day Sunday ready to go back and do the same again next week. This is getting a life and the real world. I elaborated the details because that is what most people mean by 'drinking with the lads' but even if ur life is not so tragic-to me being too tired to enjoy my evenings and drinking at weekends (which u clearly stated is ur life) is very sad and i feel sorry for u. Don't cast judgements about other ppls lives when ur own lifestyle appears so dull and tedious.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.12.05 01:48:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 05/12/2007 01:48:37
Life advice from someone who goes out drinking regularly.
Fail
(and probable troll)
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Silly Banana
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Posted - 2007.12.05 01:50:00 -
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I have 27 accounts.
Yes it is unfair, you convince CCP to give up $388 a month to make it fair for poverty stricken countries and I will gladly go back to one.
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Araxmas
The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency
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Posted - 2007.12.05 01:55:00 -
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Only recently got a second account so I can test other parts of the game without deviating Arax here. Never thought having a second account was ever unfair, maybe the scout second account was lame but never really ticked me off.
To answer the blatant troll. I go out to the SU bar regularly, go walking through the countryside near my uni regulary. Yes I must be really sad and not get out much.
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Mad Amos
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Posted - 2007.12.05 01:58:00 -
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Just a comment about the life is unfair thing. Life is not unfair. Life just is. It's your perception that makes it unfair or not. If you go through life saying that life's unfair, you are playing the victim. Life is what you make it.
So is Eve. 
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Cpt Fina
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.12.05 02:02:00 -
[50]
I got more than one account and I do agree that it gives me an in-game advantage that single account-users don't have. And yes, I think it is unfair and devalues some of my acomplishments in Eve. However the moral issues I have with multiple accounts isn't great enough to make me neglect the practical benefits.
GTC-trade is more unfair imo. Still not a good excuse
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Pitt Bull
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.05 02:03:00 -
[51]
Using 2 accounts for the same MMO...
I'm pretty sure that's: (anti-social)^2
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Shakuul
Caldari
O RLY corp
YTMND.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:01:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Shakuul on 06/12/2007 01:01:21
No, since anyone that really wants another account can get one (unless you're a noob you should have no problem making 280mil/month).
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Aille Pluthrak
Caldari
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:14:00 -
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I have three accounts and two computers. What's unfair is one of those computers can't run the new graphics that's part of the new patch. Oh well, guess I*'ll just have to suffer.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:33:00 -
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I play with 2 accounts, a friend of mine plays with 3, I know that I have seen someone in a backwater system mining with 5 accounts (all had the same last name).
People say this sort of thing is unfair. I say the balance comes from us having to pay an additional 15 a month or having to double our efforts to afford paying 150m-175m a month for a secondary account let alone 3-5 which can come to 45-75 a month in subscription fees or 450m-750m isk a month.
In short, while it does give us an advantage in many respects is also requires us to be willing to pay more currency either in the form of $$$ (insert your countries money sign) or ISK.
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CoRrUpTiGe
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:40:00 -
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Here is the complete answer to fairness in the universe :)
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2007.12.06 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: CoRrUpTiGe
Here is the complete answer to fairness in the universe :)
This man speaks the truth!
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two2litres
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Posted - 2007.12.06 02:02:00 -
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Edited by: two2litres on 06/12/2007 02:02:35
I dont think its unfair, i however think it makes the game that much smaller.
why?
you dont need to go out and hire someone to courier for you, you dont need to hire anyone to gaurd you whilst you mine etc.
there is a whole sub-game where you can barter for different services that is being wiped out.
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blake fallout
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Posted - 2007.12.06 02:05:00 -
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i have had 3 accounts over 4 years only useing this one, too costly (ú15 month)
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Fnck the blob.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 02:06:00 -
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Lifes not fair.
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Swarmm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 02:46:00 -
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I've recently activated a second account and do believe having more than one is an unfair advantage. Thats why i treat both characters completely seperate.
That said, if other players prefer to play with more than one account thats their business, as long as it doesnt effect my playing experience.
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