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Yun Mishara
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: Yun Mishara on 06/12/2007 12:16:45
I downloaded the Trinity patch and the premium content last night after the servers came back up and proceeded to boot up the game. My first impressions were sadly very disappointing; I was expecting exceptional quality and "future proof" graphics having seen the trailers from CCP but instead all models/texturing turned out to be less than average quality for a game released at this point in time.
Below is an album containing a few screenshots showing of some horrible texturing, so horrid in fact that I'm unsure as to if it is supposed to look this way. The screenshots can be downloaded to view them at the full 2560x1600 resolution they were captured in.
http://picasaweb.google.com/tsebring/EVETrinity/
Apart from the overall low-quality texturing and awful shaders the new ship models also have noticeably low polygon count which makes all curved surfaces look edgy and unsmooth when viewed up close.
The screenshots were captured on my computer running Windows XP on a C2D E6600, GeForce 8800GTX (Forceware 163.71), 2GB DDR2 at 2560x1600 (4xFSAA/16xAF/HDR-off/Normal shadows).
Edit. Fixed link
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 06/12/2007 12:19:00
ruined the game for me tbh.
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Noveron
Caldari
Long Live Me
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:22:00 -
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I'd say in the trailer things look more edge :P
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Amuenet Amon'Ra
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:26:00 -
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Ruined the game for you? if you dont like the grafix just stick with classic, then there are no changes and its the same as before...
Amuenet Amon'Ra
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Amuenet Amon'Ra
Ruined the game for you? if you dont like the grafix just stick with classic, then there are no changes and its the same as before...
NO. i want all my money back. all of it.
the polygon counts JUST AREN'T HIGH ENOUGH! sure it's okay now, but what if i want to play eve in ten years time?!
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Sleepkevert
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Yun Mishara
Edited by: Yun Mishara on 06/12/2007 12:16:45
I downloaded the Trinity patch and the premium content last night after the servers came back up and proceeded to boot up the game. My first impressions were sadly very disappointing; I was expecting exceptional quality and "future proof" graphics having seen the trailers from CCP but instead all models/texturing turned out to be less than average quality for a game released at this point in time.
Below is an album containing a few screenshots showing of some horrible texturing, so horrid in fact that I'm unsure as to if it is supposed to look this way. The screenshots can be downloaded to view them at the full 2560x1600 resolution they were captured in.
http://picasaweb.google.com/tsebring/EVETrinity/
Apart from the overall low-quality texturing and awful shaders the new ship models also have noticeably low polygon count which makes all curved surfaces look edgy and unsmooth when viewed up close.
The screenshots were captured on my computer running Windows XP on a C2D E6600, GeForce 8800GTX (Forceware 163.71), 2GB DDR2 at 2560x1600 (4xFSAA/16xAF/HDR-off/Normal shadows).
Edit. Fixed link
Really, like you are going to play zoomed up close to your engine all day?
I agree that some textures are bit sub par, models are fine, and comparing to the old engine it's a HUGE improvement... Stop whining, or go back to classic and enjoy eve like you always did...
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Jolliejoe
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jolliejoe on 06/12/2007 12:31:35
Yes I agree.. Compared to the old classic graphics it is a step forward but that wow moment soon got surpassed by frustration over the texture quality. TBH, graphics quality is sub par by any of today's standard but I guess CCP tried to have people even run EVE on a 5 year old computer.
But maybe they need to patch up some settings for the power users to enjoy more detail and such so I'm keeping the fingers crossed. But on my 8800GTX detail was not what I expected.
To the people saying, run in classic: graphics quality was unbareable inthere. It was the gameplay that keeps you playing.
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Cephalus
Gallente
Epic.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:34:00 -
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have you checked your mipmap settings on your card?
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Justice Bringer
Minmatar
Space-Bar
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 06/12/2007 12:19:00
ruined the game for me tbh.
Can you set up a contract and give me all your stuff please?
Thanks 
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lofty29
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:37:00 -
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1. Care to do better?
2. Care to explain why your opinion is more important than every other whiner on the forum? (OH NOES MY DRONES / GRAPHICS / COMPRESSION!)
Quite frankly, if you really hate it that much, go and use the old graphics. There's nothing stopping you.
Personally, I like half of the things you linked. They feel suitable for where they are, and the race.
The quality however, well, do you want to come up with hardware roxxoring enough to render a huge scene with totally insane, fully fully scalable texturing?
Please, I would love you forever, but if you expected crysis, you are sadly mistaken.
Consider if say, each ship has 2000 polys (reasonable).
200 ships on screen = 400,000 polys.
For an MMO, that is alot. A hell of a lot infact. Lower end users would either melt their CPU, GPU or kill their computer by trying to participate in large scale fleet battles. Hell, some go up to twice that.
Now imagine texturing all those polys with details down to every single light perfectly defined (which is basically what you want). Go look at any new games. Mass effect, assassins creed, Crysis. They're outstandingly pretty, but their textures don't scale. They have to keep it within limits so that people can actually run them.
Well, goodbye 8800GTX. You'd need a GTXXX to do what you wan.t
What you are doing is arguing why CCP decided to make the game playable for people who either can't afford or don't want to upgrade to the top end hardware. Well, valve comes in handy here.
In their bi-monthly hardware surveys, it shows that about 2% of people have quadcores, 20% have an 8800 and even less have a GTX. Your hardware is top of the line, I agree, but if you're looking for a game to push it to the limit, a MMO is not going to be it.
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Syraine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:46:00 -
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Edited by: Syraine on 06/12/2007 12:46:36
meh. nevermind
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Soulita
Gallente
Inner Core
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Soulita on 06/12/2007 12:58:17
Originally by: lofty29
Consider if say, each ship has 2000 polys (reasonable, likely much more though).
200 ships on screen = 400,000 polys.
Nope. Do you know what LOD is?
But agreed otherwise. Too many polys = trouble...
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Cleric JohnPreston
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:04:00 -
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I thought the poly count was the same, just this engine is using Normal maps. Could be wrong but i cant see them upping the polycount that much.
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lofty29
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
I thought the poly count was the same, just this engine is using Normal maps. Could be wrong but i cant see them upping the polycount that much.
It's been upped quite a bit on stations, some ships, stargates, titans, moms.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:07:00 -
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"Ruined the game for you? if you dont like the grafix just stick with classic, then there are no changes and its the same as before..."
Classic doesnt look the same as before. It looks better if anything.
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Kavol Valarius
Amarr
Unity of Honor
Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:11:00 -
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The OP is ignorant of how MMO's work.
Or perhaps he'd prefer to play the single-player version of EVE.
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: James Duar on 06/12/2007 13:15:13
The Dominix is a crime against nature and fine engineering now.
Especially because the front texture isn't even aligned properly.
The extra polys are nice, but bring back the brown boot color scheme.
EDIT: Actually there are quite a few more examples of poor use of limited resources in texturing - the Domi's color scheme just highlights every limitation.
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Justice Bringer
Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 06/12/2007 12:19:00
ruined the game for me tbh.
Can you set up a contract and give me all your stuff please?
Thanks
i'm not quitting, i just want all my money back.
frankly, i feel i've been shoddily treated by CCP for not 'future proofing' their graphics. do you seriously think these graphics will be acceptable in 2017? of course they won't.
look at this screenshot of Need For Speed Pro Street.
sure it'll be crap in thirty years time, but for the next few years it will be acceptable. these new so-called 'graphics' are simply not good enough for the computers of the future.
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:30:00 -
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i'm probably going to sue them tbh.
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Yun Mishara
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Yun Mishara on 06/12/2007 13:33:29
Ry ry:
Made me chuckle; too bad no one else got it...
Sleepkevert:
To whine is by definition to complain in a childish fashion; hence you're whining. I on the other hand am just voicing my opinion, which may or may not coincide with yours.
If you however want to discuss what I said in my original post or enlighten me on what you think you are free to do so and IÆm interested in hearing it, which coincidentally is why I made this post.
Jolliejoe:
I agree with everything you wrote. Even though there will always be compromises that have to be made to get the game running on low-end machines, it does not explain the subpar quality of the texturing or shaders.
When EVE was first released the graphics were top-notch. I was expecting this update to bring back those times. Sadly it didnÆt even though the trailers made it look like it might.
Cephalus:
I tried forcing the different settings, I canÆt however tell any difference.
Lofty29:
There are several other MMOs out there that utilize higher polygon models than EVE does, never mind the fact that EVE is set primarily in empty space and does not have to render high complexity surroundings.
Polygon limitations still do not explain the subpar quality of the texturing and shaders. If you think it looks good then IÆm happy for you, I donÆt and itÆs not likely to change in the next 5 years so...
Kavol Valarius:
Care to elaborate? Got any numbers to show me or am I simply ignorant because I do not share your opinion..?
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Tiger313
313th Squadron
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:42:00 -
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love the sarcasm, ry ry 
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 06/12/2007 16:10:07
i'm not being 'sarcastic'. i'm deadly serious.
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After doing a little more research, i've realised the DANGER ccp have put me in with this below par patch, which could potentially DESTROY data on my pc.
i've contacted my lawyer and he's assured me that i have a valid case to bring against CCP.
if you too are outraged about CCP's BLATANT DISREGARD for their 'customers' please post in this thread (do not eve-mail me or convo me i game, i will consider this harassment and petition/sue you as appropriate.) and we can begin to tear down this MONSTER that is CCP GAMES.
* Has your DATA been DESTROYED?
* Does the 'Eve Online' product NOT MEET THE STANDARDS it claims?
* Have you been FORCED to read the endless excuses on CCP's OWN forums?
Join my Class action suit and RECLAIM the MILLIONS OF DAMAGES they OWE US. God Bless.
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Kharadran Sullath
Caldari
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:20:00 -
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The OP should, quite frankly, receive a roundhouse to the face. Whining over the new graphics is truly nothing more than being spoiled.
Point me to the MMOG that EVE is not visually on par with or superior to and I might consider your points as valid.
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Originally by: Graveyard Tan
I call bull**** and troll. If you are deaf, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
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Tratez
Shad0w Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 06/12/2007 16:10:07
i'm not being 'sarcastic'. i'm deadly serious.
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After doing a little more research, i've realised the DANGER ccp have put me in with this below par patch, which could potentially DESTROY data on my pc.
i've contacted my lawyer and he's assured me that i have a valid case to bring against CCP.
if you too are outraged about CCP's BLATANT DISREGARD for their 'customers' please post in this thread (do not eve-mail me or convo me i game, i will consider this harassment and petition/sue you as appropriate.) and we can begin to tear down this MONSTER that is CCP GAMES.
* Has your DATA been DESTROYED?
* Does the 'Eve Online' product NOT MEET THE STANDARDS it claims?
* Have you been FORCED to read the endless excuses on CCP's OWN forums?
Join my Class action suit and RECLAIM the MILLIONS OF DAMAGES they OWE US. God Bless.
.......buuuhahahahaahahahha go play wow or somit and take down blizzard......lmfao thjis is to epic
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 06/12/2007 16:23:08
Originally by: Kharadran Sullath
The OP should, quite frankly, receive a roundhouse to the face. Whining over the new graphics is truly nothing more than being spoiled.
Point me to the MMOG that EVE is not visually on par with or superior to and I might consider your points as valid.
Infinity.
i take it i can count on your support in my forthcoming lawsuit?
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Zinras
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Zinras on 06/12/2007 16:27:41
Trinity is free and you get what you pay for.
What you're paying to play is EVE classic and as long as the Trinity graphics remains optional and not something you have to get, the ships can have a negative polygon count if CCP wants it. Sucks for you if you're dissapointed but since you're not buying the new graphics, I see no point in complaining.
Now, would the whiners be so kind as to contract me some valuable stuff when they leave? I am a bit poor atm, you see, and my wallet needs ISK.
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Kharadran Sullath
Caldari
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 06/12/2007 16:23:08
Originally by: Kharadran Sullath
Stuff...
Infinity.
i take it i can count on your support in my forthcoming lawsuit?
Dear God... I rescind my statement. Your lawyer will hear from my lawyer within 24 hours.
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Originally by: Graveyard Tan
I call bull**** and troll. If you are deaf, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
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Hermia
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:28:00 -
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We have to remember that this is an MMO, historically less graphically intence then single player games. Another thing that makes for a more realistic experiance is highly interactive environments like Crysis, not possible in MMO's for obvious bandwidth reasons.
I for one and very impressed with everything, eve voice is amazing, the UI is amazing, graphics are great.
when compared to the most popular MMO "world of warcraft", eve graphics wins hands down.
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Borg Fusion
SwishFusion Advanced Powered Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 06/12/2007 16:10:07
i'm not being 'sarcastic'. i'm deadly serious.
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After doing a little more research, i've realised the DANGER ccp have put me in with this below par patch, which could potentially DESTROY data on my pc.
i've contacted my lawyer and he's assured me that i have a valid case to bring against CCP.
if you too are outraged about CCP's BLATANT DISREGARD for their 'customers' please post in this thread (do not eve-mail me or convo me i game, i will consider this harassment and petition/sue you as appropriate.) and we can begin to tear down this MONSTER that is CCP GAMES.
* Has your DATA been DESTROYED?
* Does the 'Eve Online' product NOT MEET THE STANDARDS it claims?
* Have you been FORCED to read the endless excuses on CCP's OWN forums?
Join my Class action suit and RECLAIM the MILLIONS OF DAMAGES they OWE US. God Bless.
You Ry ry are an example of pathetic nonsense that brings into games. Do you understand how much respect you lose as a player in eve and respect you lose from ccp staff all together? You didn't pay for it, it was an option to download it and enable it, what is your problem. Just by looking at your avatar disgustes me especially when you say you want to sue ccp for damages? This is nonsense and goodluck finding people to support your sue.
My suppport will be "Ry ry is a 12yr spoiled brat who doesnt understand"
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Melor Rend
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:39:00 -
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The graphics are fine and dandy but nothing to write home about.. and defiantly not what they were hyped up to be... good job to the graphics guys at CCP but huge fail (and wage-decrease) to the marketing people that decided to hype the **** out of the patch and had us all believe that we were gonna see "next gen graphics" (as seen in the trailer shown at fanfest) when it is actually pretty standard graphics. I mean they are not even using the "latest" graphics (dx10) so talking about "next gen" is simply a huge big LIE in my opinion.
I'd prefer if CCP said that they are making a new graphics update but then not hyping it to such a level that anyone who watches the trailer will think that is actually what they are going to be seeing.
Oh well.. I guess all the hyping will only reflect negatively on their game in the end... at least i'm now prepared for a huge let-down as soon as walking on stations is out.. the current trailers for that looks really really cool... but then again so did the trinity trailer.  |
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