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Yun Mishara
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: Yun Mishara on 06/12/2007 12:16:45
I downloaded the Trinity patch and the premium content last night after the servers came back up and proceeded to boot up the game. My first impressions were sadly very disappointing; I was expecting exceptional quality and "future proof" graphics having seen the trailers from CCP but instead all models/texturing turned out to be less than average quality for a game released at this point in time.
Below is an album containing a few screenshots showing of some horrible texturing, so horrid in fact that I'm unsure as to if it is supposed to look this way. The screenshots can be downloaded to view them at the full 2560x1600 resolution they were captured in.
http://picasaweb.google.com/tsebring/EVETrinity/
Apart from the overall low-quality texturing and awful shaders the new ship models also have noticeably low polygon count which makes all curved surfaces look edgy and unsmooth when viewed up close.
The screenshots were captured on my computer running Windows XP on a C2D E6600, GeForce 8800GTX (Forceware 163.71), 2GB DDR2 at 2560x1600 (4xFSAA/16xAF/HDR-off/Normal shadows).
Edit. Fixed link
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 06/12/2007 12:19:00
ruined the game for me tbh.
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Noveron
Caldari
Long Live Me
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:22:00 -
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I'd say in the trailer things look more edge :P
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Amuenet Amon'Ra
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:26:00 -
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Ruined the game for you? if you dont like the grafix just stick with classic, then there are no changes and its the same as before...
Amuenet Amon'Ra
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Amuenet Amon'Ra
Ruined the game for you? if you dont like the grafix just stick with classic, then there are no changes and its the same as before...
NO. i want all my money back. all of it.
the polygon counts JUST AREN'T HIGH ENOUGH! sure it's okay now, but what if i want to play eve in ten years time?!
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Sleepkevert
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Yun Mishara
Edited by: Yun Mishara on 06/12/2007 12:16:45
I downloaded the Trinity patch and the premium content last night after the servers came back up and proceeded to boot up the game. My first impressions were sadly very disappointing; I was expecting exceptional quality and "future proof" graphics having seen the trailers from CCP but instead all models/texturing turned out to be less than average quality for a game released at this point in time.
Below is an album containing a few screenshots showing of some horrible texturing, so horrid in fact that I'm unsure as to if it is supposed to look this way. The screenshots can be downloaded to view them at the full 2560x1600 resolution they were captured in.
http://picasaweb.google.com/tsebring/EVETrinity/
Apart from the overall low-quality texturing and awful shaders the new ship models also have noticeably low polygon count which makes all curved surfaces look edgy and unsmooth when viewed up close.
The screenshots were captured on my computer running Windows XP on a C2D E6600, GeForce 8800GTX (Forceware 163.71), 2GB DDR2 at 2560x1600 (4xFSAA/16xAF/HDR-off/Normal shadows).
Edit. Fixed link
Really, like you are going to play zoomed up close to your engine all day?
I agree that some textures are bit sub par, models are fine, and comparing to the old engine it's a HUGE improvement... Stop whining, or go back to classic and enjoy eve like you always did...
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Jolliejoe
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jolliejoe on 06/12/2007 12:31:35
Yes I agree.. Compared to the old classic graphics it is a step forward but that wow moment soon got surpassed by frustration over the texture quality. TBH, graphics quality is sub par by any of today's standard but I guess CCP tried to have people even run EVE on a 5 year old computer.
But maybe they need to patch up some settings for the power users to enjoy more detail and such so I'm keeping the fingers crossed. But on my 8800GTX detail was not what I expected.
To the people saying, run in classic: graphics quality was unbareable inthere. It was the gameplay that keeps you playing.
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Cephalus
Gallente
Epic.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:34:00 -
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have you checked your mipmap settings on your card?
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Justice Bringer
Minmatar
Space-Bar
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 06/12/2007 12:19:00
ruined the game for me tbh.
Can you set up a contract and give me all your stuff please?
Thanks 
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lofty29
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:37:00 -
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1. Care to do better?
2. Care to explain why your opinion is more important than every other whiner on the forum? (OH NOES MY DRONES / GRAPHICS / COMPRESSION!)
Quite frankly, if you really hate it that much, go and use the old graphics. There's nothing stopping you.
Personally, I like half of the things you linked. They feel suitable for where they are, and the race.
The quality however, well, do you want to come up with hardware roxxoring enough to render a huge scene with totally insane, fully fully scalable texturing?
Please, I would love you forever, but if you expected crysis, you are sadly mistaken.
Consider if say, each ship has 2000 polys (reasonable).
200 ships on screen = 400,000 polys.
For an MMO, that is alot. A hell of a lot infact. Lower end users would either melt their CPU, GPU or kill their computer by trying to participate in large scale fleet battles. Hell, some go up to twice that.
Now imagine texturing all those polys with details down to every single light perfectly defined (which is basically what you want). Go look at any new games. Mass effect, assassins creed, Crysis. They're outstandingly pretty, but their textures don't scale. They have to keep it within limits so that people can actually run them.
Well, goodbye 8800GTX. You'd need a GTXXX to do what you wan.t
What you are doing is arguing why CCP decided to make the game playable for people who either can't afford or don't want to upgrade to the top end hardware. Well, valve comes in handy here.
In their bi-monthly hardware surveys, it shows that about 2% of people have quadcores, 20% have an 8800 and even less have a GTX. Your hardware is top of the line, I agree, but if you're looking for a game to push it to the limit, a MMO is not going to be it.
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Syraine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:46:00 -
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Edited by: Syraine on 06/12/2007 12:46:36
meh. nevermind
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Soulita
Gallente
Inner Core
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Soulita on 06/12/2007 12:58:17
Originally by: lofty29
Consider if say, each ship has 2000 polys (reasonable, likely much more though).
200 ships on screen = 400,000 polys.
Nope. Do you know what LOD is?
But agreed otherwise. Too many polys = trouble...
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Cleric JohnPreston
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:04:00 -
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I thought the poly count was the same, just this engine is using Normal maps. Could be wrong but i cant see them upping the polycount that much.
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lofty29
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston
I thought the poly count was the same, just this engine is using Normal maps. Could be wrong but i cant see them upping the polycount that much.
It's been upped quite a bit on stations, some ships, stargates, titans, moms.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:07:00 -
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"Ruined the game for you? if you dont like the grafix just stick with classic, then there are no changes and its the same as before..."
Classic doesnt look the same as before. It looks better if anything.
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Kavol Valarius
Amarr
Unity of Honor
Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:11:00 -
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The OP is ignorant of how MMO's work.
Or perhaps he'd prefer to play the single-player version of EVE.
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: James Duar on 06/12/2007 13:15:13
The Dominix is a crime against nature and fine engineering now.
Especially because the front texture isn't even aligned properly.
The extra polys are nice, but bring back the brown boot color scheme.
EDIT: Actually there are quite a few more examples of poor use of limited resources in texturing - the Domi's color scheme just highlights every limitation.
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Justice Bringer
Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 06/12/2007 12:19:00
ruined the game for me tbh.
Can you set up a contract and give me all your stuff please?
Thanks
i'm not quitting, i just want all my money back.
frankly, i feel i've been shoddily treated by CCP for not 'future proofing' their graphics. do you seriously think these graphics will be acceptable in 2017? of course they won't.
look at this screenshot of Need For Speed Pro Street.
sure it'll be crap in thirty years time, but for the next few years it will be acceptable. these new so-called 'graphics' are simply not good enough for the computers of the future.
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:30:00 -
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i'm probably going to sue them tbh.
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Yun Mishara
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Yun Mishara on 06/12/2007 13:33:29
Ry ry:
Made me chuckle; too bad no one else got it...
Sleepkevert:
To whine is by definition to complain in a childish fashion; hence you're whining. I on the other hand am just voicing my opinion, which may or may not coincide with yours.
If you however want to discuss what I said in my original post or enlighten me on what you think you are free to do so and IĘm interested in hearing it, which coincidentally is why I made this post.
Jolliejoe:
I agree with everything you wrote. Even though there will always be compromises that have to be made to get the game running on low-end machines, it does not explain the subpar quality of the texturing or shaders.
When EVE was first released the graphics were top-notch. I was expecting this update to bring back those times. Sadly it didnĘt even though the trailers made it look like it might.
Cephalus:
I tried forcing the different settings, I canĘt however tell any difference.
Lofty29:
There are several other MMOs out there that utilize higher polygon models than EVE does, never mind the fact that EVE is set primarily in empty space and does not have to render high complexity surroundings.
Polygon limitations still do not explain the subpar quality of the texturing and shaders. If you think it looks good then IĘm happy for you, I donĘt and itĘs not likely to change in the next 5 years so...
Kavol Valarius:
Care to elaborate? Got any numbers to show me or am I simply ignorant because I do not share your opinion..?
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Tiger313
313th Squadron
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:42:00 -
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love the sarcasm, ry ry 
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 06/12/2007 16:10:07
i'm not being 'sarcastic'. i'm deadly serious.
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After doing a little more research, i've realised the DANGER ccp have put me in with this below par patch, which could potentially DESTROY data on my pc.
i've contacted my lawyer and he's assured me that i have a valid case to bring against CCP.
if you too are outraged about CCP's BLATANT DISREGARD for their 'customers' please post in this thread (do not eve-mail me or convo me i game, i will consider this harassment and petition/sue you as appropriate.) and we can begin to tear down this MONSTER that is CCP GAMES.
* Has your DATA been DESTROYED?
* Does the 'Eve Online' product NOT MEET THE STANDARDS it claims?
* Have you been FORCED to read the endless excuses on CCP's OWN forums?
Join my Class action suit and RECLAIM the MILLIONS OF DAMAGES they OWE US. God Bless.
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Kharadran Sullath
Caldari
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:20:00 -
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The OP should, quite frankly, receive a roundhouse to the face. Whining over the new graphics is truly nothing more than being spoiled.
Point me to the MMOG that EVE is not visually on par with or superior to and I might consider your points as valid.
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Originally by: Graveyard Tan
I call bull**** and troll. If you are deaf, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
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Tratez
Shad0w Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 06/12/2007 16:10:07
i'm not being 'sarcastic'. i'm deadly serious.
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After doing a little more research, i've realised the DANGER ccp have put me in with this below par patch, which could potentially DESTROY data on my pc.
i've contacted my lawyer and he's assured me that i have a valid case to bring against CCP.
if you too are outraged about CCP's BLATANT DISREGARD for their 'customers' please post in this thread (do not eve-mail me or convo me i game, i will consider this harassment and petition/sue you as appropriate.) and we can begin to tear down this MONSTER that is CCP GAMES.
* Has your DATA been DESTROYED?
* Does the 'Eve Online' product NOT MEET THE STANDARDS it claims?
* Have you been FORCED to read the endless excuses on CCP's OWN forums?
Join my Class action suit and RECLAIM the MILLIONS OF DAMAGES they OWE US. God Bless.
.......buuuhahahahaahahahha go play wow or somit and take down blizzard......lmfao thjis is to epic
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 06/12/2007 16:23:08
Originally by: Kharadran Sullath
The OP should, quite frankly, receive a roundhouse to the face. Whining over the new graphics is truly nothing more than being spoiled.
Point me to the MMOG that EVE is not visually on par with or superior to and I might consider your points as valid.
Infinity.
i take it i can count on your support in my forthcoming lawsuit?
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Zinras
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Zinras on 06/12/2007 16:27:41
Trinity is free and you get what you pay for.
What you're paying to play is EVE classic and as long as the Trinity graphics remains optional and not something you have to get, the ships can have a negative polygon count if CCP wants it. Sucks for you if you're dissapointed but since you're not buying the new graphics, I see no point in complaining.
Now, would the whiners be so kind as to contract me some valuable stuff when they leave? I am a bit poor atm, you see, and my wallet needs ISK.
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Kharadran Sullath
Caldari
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:28:00 -
[27]
Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 06/12/2007 16:23:08
Originally by: Kharadran Sullath
Stuff...
Infinity.
i take it i can count on your support in my forthcoming lawsuit?
Dear God... I rescind my statement. Your lawyer will hear from my lawyer within 24 hours.
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Originally by: Graveyard Tan
I call bull**** and troll. If you are deaf, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
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Hermia
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:28:00 -
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We have to remember that this is an MMO, historically less graphically intence then single player games. Another thing that makes for a more realistic experiance is highly interactive environments like Crysis, not possible in MMO's for obvious bandwidth reasons.
I for one and very impressed with everything, eve voice is amazing, the UI is amazing, graphics are great.
when compared to the most popular MMO "world of warcraft", eve graphics wins hands down.
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Borg Fusion
SwishFusion Advanced Powered Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:36:00 -
[29]
Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 06/12/2007 16:10:07
i'm not being 'sarcastic'. i'm deadly serious.
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After doing a little more research, i've realised the DANGER ccp have put me in with this below par patch, which could potentially DESTROY data on my pc.
i've contacted my lawyer and he's assured me that i have a valid case to bring against CCP.
if you too are outraged about CCP's BLATANT DISREGARD for their 'customers' please post in this thread (do not eve-mail me or convo me i game, i will consider this harassment and petition/sue you as appropriate.) and we can begin to tear down this MONSTER that is CCP GAMES.
* Has your DATA been DESTROYED?
* Does the 'Eve Online' product NOT MEET THE STANDARDS it claims?
* Have you been FORCED to read the endless excuses on CCP's OWN forums?
Join my Class action suit and RECLAIM the MILLIONS OF DAMAGES they OWE US. God Bless.
You Ry ry are an example of pathetic nonsense that brings into games. Do you understand how much respect you lose as a player in eve and respect you lose from ccp staff all together? You didn't pay for it, it was an option to download it and enable it, what is your problem. Just by looking at your avatar disgustes me especially when you say you want to sue ccp for damages? This is nonsense and goodluck finding people to support your sue.
My suppport will be "Ry ry is a 12yr spoiled brat who doesnt understand"
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Melor Rend
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:39:00 -
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The graphics are fine and dandy but nothing to write home about.. and defiantly not what they were hyped up to be... good job to the graphics guys at CCP but huge fail (and wage-decrease) to the marketing people that decided to hype the **** out of the patch and had us all believe that we were gonna see "next gen graphics" (as seen in the trailer shown at fanfest) when it is actually pretty standard graphics. I mean they are not even using the "latest" graphics (dx10) so talking about "next gen" is simply a huge big LIE in my opinion.
I'd prefer if CCP said that they are making a new graphics update but then not hyping it to such a level that anyone who watches the trailer will think that is actually what they are going to be seeing.
Oh well.. I guess all the hyping will only reflect negatively on their game in the end... at least i'm now prepared for a huge let-down as soon as walking on stations is out.. the current trailers for that looks really really cool... but then again so did the trinity trailer.  |
Khandara Seraphim
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 06/12/2007 12:19:00
ruined the game for me tbh.
Just wait until you reboot! 
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Lardarz B'stard
Amarr
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:39:00 -
[32]
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE !!!
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Zenst
Gallente
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:39:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Zinras
Edited by: Zinras on 06/12/2007 16:27:41
Trinity is free and you get what you pay for.
And for alot they got extra with a free boot from there computer :D.
I gota be honest the gfx level is cute but isn't a large a leap as was implied. That said its early days and more akin to the initial release of SOURCE for the original counterstrike.
What is kinda ironic is soooo many people in the past been after a option to reduce gfx levels and we get a option to increase them - have to smile at that.
Personaly I'm still debating going with the classic as not seeing much of an advantage if any at all with regards to playability and even though I got all the bells and whistles to run it, I cant help but feel that the spasmotic frame hits is something that would need something 4x the power of a GTX8800. I already run eve on a seperate disc to the OS and indeed have seperate disc for my temp/swap (3x raptors at that) so I've got alot of mitigating factors already covered.
Its free, its cute but I probably had more wow factor watching a mining laser first couple of months ingame. But its still very very very early days and I aint seen a mom/capital blow yet with the patch, so I'll reserve final judgement, a judgment that is for me and my tastes and everybody else can do what they like. I know I do :).
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Kharadran Sullath
Caldari
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:42:00 -
[34]
Don't download the premium content!
IT'S A TARP!
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Originally by: Graveyard Tan
I call bull**** and troll. If you are deaf, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
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Apocryphai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:43:00 -
[35]
You guys wouldn't recognise when you were being trolled if the troll wrote "I R TROLLING U" on a hammer and hit you on the head with it.
/me slaps Ry Ry. Play nice with the kiddies now.
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Originally by: Victor Valka
What the skull-chick said.
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:44:00 -
[36]
Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 06/12/2007 16:23:08
Originally by: Kharadran Sullath
The OP should, quite frankly, receive a roundhouse to the face. Whining over the new graphics is truly nothing more than being spoiled.
Point me to the MMOG that EVE is not visually on par with or superior to and I might consider your points as valid.
Infinity.
i take it i can count on your support in my forthcoming lawsuit?
Try again when Infinity is a working fully released game instead of a few concept videos.
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
CCP also condones thinking, I suggest you try it from tiem to time
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:45:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Borg Fusion
You Ry ry are an example of pathetic nonsense that brings into games. Do you understand how much respect you lose as a player in eve and respect you lose from ccp staff all together? You didn't pay for it, it was an option to download it and enable it, what is your problem. Just by looking at your avatar disgustes me especially when you say you want to sue ccp for damages? This is nonsense and goodluck finding people to support your sue.
My suppport will be "Ry ry is a 12yr spoiled brat who doesnt understand"
actually, i think you'll find it's YOU who doesn't understand.
i'm sick of all you CCP apologists wheeling out the same tired excuses time and time again 'you don't have to play', 'it's just a computergame' and 'stop phoning me'.
SHEEP.
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:49:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
Try again when Infinity is a working fully released game instead of a few concept videos.
There is a game ther but its just not being
released until it's gfx are perfect unlike eve
online which simply doesn't live upto my
longstanding expaectations. ur all CCP loving
losers.
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Aldrad
Caldari
Second Fleet of Homogeneous Clarity
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:03:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Aldrad on 06/12/2007 17:04:36
Quote:
actually, i think you'll find it's YOU who doesn't understand.
i'm sick of all you CCP apologists wheeling out the same tired excuses time and time again 'you don't have to play', 'it's just a computergame' and 'stop phoning me'.
SHEEP.
I really don't believe you can create a case for removal of a boot file, especially since no data was destroyed. This setback can be fixed, with relative ease. With the amount of time CCP have put into developing this free graphics update, surely dedicating a few minutes to fixing the boot (If you were indeed affected) wouldn't be too much to ask?
CCP have done a top job in developing this free graphics update which you can enable/disable at will. If venting steam on the forum makes you feel better, then by all means go ahead, but don't spoil it for the rest of us. If you're not happy with the update and want to leave due to a minor setback, then go ahead and leave.
And my praises go out to CCP, yes, CCP! Why? Because they've spent over 24 hours adding this update, and additional "overtime" quickly amending any bugs.
And to all those rantaholics - Stop EXAGGERATING. :) I'm sure there will be further amendments to patch up any problems that exist in Trinity - just have a little patience!
Quote:
Try again when Infinity is a working fully released game instead of a few concept videos.
Infinity will undoubtedly flop. Eve has had YEARS of experience, and is a solid, widely established game with a massive active player base.
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Mattikus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:05:00 -
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I'm half and half on this subject...at first I was really impressed by the new visuals, then diappointed as some of them do look pretty bad (textures), but then I was impressed again....seeing the sun and light glare off my Hurricane looks awesome!  as well as the nebula reflecting in the solar panels (or whatever those are that minny ships have) I'm sure once they add new planets, backgrounds and effects the game is gonna look SICK!! But yeah...some of it looks dope as hell and some of it..eh could be better. I mean ****, its no UT3 or Crysis (but I wasnt expecting that) but it was free and for the most part it looks great! 
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Yun Mishara
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:35:00 -
[41]
Kharadran:
You make a graphic point. Since I do not feel that the new graphics live up to the expectations and hence do not agree with you, I should naturally be punished by means of violence.
Zinras:
Your whole point is moot being as I have not demanded anything in return for my subscription. Even if the Premium content was required neither of us would have any say in the decision-making or direction surrounding EVE apart from what consideration CCP give the feedback from the player base.
That being said and as already stated; IĘm voicing my opinion on the new graphics and I was originally interested in hearing what others thought. From what IĘve heard CCP is a company that takes pride in listening to its player base when it come to changes in the game. This will inevitably likely mean nothing as itĘs easy to see that I am in the minority of players who do not like the new graphics or who do care.
I still withhold that I was disappointed with the new Premium content which I expected would make EVE as visually attractive as it was when it was first released and which was to last another 5 years. However this has sadly proven to not be the case.
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Kharadran Sullath
Caldari
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:48:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Yun Mishara
Kharadran:
You make a graphic point. Since I do not feel that the new graphics live up to the expectations and hence do not agree with you, I should naturally be punished by means of violence.
Point taken. However I believe your disappointment to be a bit out of proportion. Have you tried adjusting settings in your graphics driver menu?
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Originally by: Graveyard Tan
I call bull**** and troll. If you are deaf, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
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LUH 3471
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: LUH 3471 on 06/12/2007 18:12:02
we want optional high res textures ccp !!1123
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Zinras
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:28:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Yun Mishara
Kharadran:
You make a graphic point. Since I do not feel that the new graphics live up to the expectations and hence do not agree with you, I should naturally be punished by means of violence.
Zinras:
Your whole point is moot being as I have not demanded anything in return for my subscription. Even if the Premium content was required neither of us would have any say in the decision-making or direction surrounding EVE apart from what consideration CCP give the feedback from the player base.
That being said and as already stated; IĘm voicing my opinion on the new graphics and I was originally interested in hearing what others thought. From what IĘve heard CCP is a company that takes pride in listening to its player base when it come to changes in the game. This will inevitably likely mean nothing as itĘs easy to see that I am in the minority of players who do not like the new graphics or who do care.
I still withhold that I was disappointed with the new Premium content which I expected would make EVE as visually attractive as it was when it was first released and which was to last another 5 years. However this has sadly proven to not be the case.
My point was actually that since it's free and because CCP tends to care about their players (as in, no forced download of new gfx and that the new stuff can be viewed on fairly average comps), you shouldn't expect "OMGWTF" graphics, even when seeing a trailer.
Also, EVE really isn't about the graphics anyway.. If it was, people would have left ages ago (just look at the planets etc -- Not exactly bad but the textures could use an update.. Same with background and 'roids).
I do believe they also plan on updating the look of other stuff in later expansions, so at least wait until you have the full package. And who knows? They might add some more detailed textures as an option later on.
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:10:00 -
[45]
Edited by: ry ry on 06/12/2007 19:10:12
Originally by: Aldrad
I really don't believe you can create a case for removal of a boot file, especially since no data was destroyed. This setback can be fixed, with relative ease. With the amount of time CCP have put into developing this free graphics update, surely dedicating a few minutes to fixing the boot (If you were indeed affected) wouldn't be too much to ask?
i'm pretty sure people only skim read my lovingly crafted forum posts. :(
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Max Fantastic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:36:00 -
[46]
I've been really impressed by the graphics update, personally-- particularly the self-shadows. They add a tremendous feeling of weight to the ships when they rotate around, or when they pass a sun in warp and the shadows move around. The stations look amazing as well, especially the Caldari stations and that Gallente station with all the rotating bits.
The only place I've seen a poor texture job is the area right beneath your ship when you dock in a station. If you're in a small ship, the texture looks pixelated because you're up so close. In a big ship you never even see it because you're not in that tight, but in a small one, it looks like ass. They should texture that one small spot with a high res texture of it's own, rather than just letting it be the same resolution as the rest of the ground.
Other than that, I've been having a blast just looking at all the ships and stations.
Are they going to update the planet/asteroid graphics, too?
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Kharadran Sullath
Caldari
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:38:00 -
[47]
Your avatar takes away that weight. 
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Originally by: Graveyard Tan
I call bull**** and troll. If you are deaf, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
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Mattikus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:40:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Max Fantastic
I've been really impressed by the graphics update, personally-- particularly the self-shadows. They add a tremendous feeling of weight to the ships when they rotate around, or when they pass a sun in warp and the shadows move around. The stations look amazing as well, especially the Caldari stations and that Gallente station with all the rotating bits.
The only place I've seen a poor texture job is the area right beneath your ship when you dock in a station. If you're in a small ship, the texture looks pixelated because you're up so close. In a big ship you never even see it because you're not in that tight, but in a small one, it looks like ass. They should texture that one small spot with a high res texture of it's own, rather than just letting it be the same resolution as the rest of the ground.
Other than that, I've been having a blast just looking at all the ships and stations.
Are they going to update the planet/asteroid graphics, too?
A second patch coming "soon" should be filled with new planets, backgrounds, asteroids, etc.
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Max Fantastic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:41:00 -
[49]
GRAVITAS.
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Zxav
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:49:00 -
[50]
I've tried to defend players in most of these posts, but this one is too funny.
Sure, the upgrade wasn't nearly what I expected. The ships and items DO look marginally better in all cases, and quite a bit better for things like stations, and old ships like the vex that used to just suck.
But, give me a break. A lawsuit because the upgrade wasn't all we expected?
If they also upgrade planet affects, star and general space entity effects - then it will be a force to be reckoned with for sure.
If they let us walk around stations and see each other, look out windows, it will be amazing.
If we can land on planets, flow over their surfaces, that will be epic.
At that point, this game will be untouchable in its complexity and depth of environment and quality.
I don't care if Crysis looks better. They don't have 30,000 people logged into it.
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razman927
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:56:00 -
[51]
Quote:
A second patch coming "soon" should be filled with new planets, backgrounds, asteroids, etc.
hope this is true. I like what they have done sofar i know the graphics are not the best but i mainly play eve for the fun of the game not what it looks like. If i wanted decent graphics i would play COD4 or Crysis all day
 should i create a mirror backup of comp before next patch though lol never know what they might try to delete next 
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me bored
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:59:00 -
[52]
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Yun Mishara
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:33:00 -
[53]
I am glad to see the influx of constructive posts in this thread over the last few hours. My interest in hearing what others thought about the subject was what made me post in the first place.
Kharadran Sullath:
You are right; my disappointment will undoubtfully seem bigger than it really is seeing as how I chose to only point out the negative aspects that I have found with the new Premium content. The screenshots in my original post are central to all my statements.
The textures that I feel look horrible up close in general look much better from afar as the extra detail is no longer perceptible. The models are improved but less complex than what could be expected from something being released at the end of 2007; again only evident from not too far off.
The shaders on the ships and interiors of stations that IĘve seen are the least pleasing of the lot. Metal surfaces that are supposed to appear smooth such as engine casings and station panels are bumpmapped to oblivion.
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Ien Zenetei
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:40:00 -
[54]
This is an MMORPG, which usually have low texture resolutions. Just look at Hellgate London, World of Warcraft and Warhammer Online. I believe MMO's have low textures to make it easy on the memory, as to not create a choppy experience. Shaders, lightning and shadows *****your processor, and only affects the FPS.
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Smack Dahlia
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:18:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Smack Dahlia on 06/12/2007 22:20:25
Originally by: Zxav
I've tried to defend players in most of these posts, but this one is too funny.
Sure, the upgrade wasn't nearly what I expected. The ships and items DO look marginally better in all cases, and quite a bit better for things like stations, and old ships like the vex that used to just suck.
But, give me a break. A lawsuit because the upgrade wasn't all we expected?
other stuff
Hello! Did you actually read the posts, or just pick a random word and reply to that?
I think she was taking a ****. Her lawyer is Jack Thompson, the in-game screenshot of Need For Speed Pro Street was an actual photograph of a car, and one of her posts said 'TROLL' if you took the first letter of every line.
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:39:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Smack Dahlia
Hello! Did you actually read the posts, or just pick a random word and reply to that?
I think she was taking a ****. Her lawyer is Jack Thompson, the in-game screenshot of Need For Speed Pro Street was an actual photograph of a car, and one of her posts said 'TROLL' if you took the first letter of every line.
that's it - you're on The List, mother******.
*again. |
Snakebloke
Knights of Chaos
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:58:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Snakebloke on 06/12/2007 23:00:39
Originally by: Yun Mishara
Edited by: Yun Mishara on 06/12/2007 12:16:45
I downloaded the Trinity patch and the premium content last night after the servers came back up and proceeded to boot up the game. My first impressions were sadly very disappointing; I was expecting exceptional quality and "future proof" graphics having seen the trailers from CCP but instead all models/texturing turned out to be less than average quality for a game released at this point in time.
Below is an album containing a few screenshots showing of some horrible texturing, so horrid in fact that I'm unsure as to if it is supposed to look this way. The screenshots can be downloaded to view them at the full 2560x1600 resolution they were captured in.
http://picasaweb.google.com/tsebring/EVETrinity/
Apart from the overall low-quality texturing and awful shaders the new ship models also have noticeably low polygon count which makes all curved surfaces look edgy and unsmooth when viewed up close.
The screenshots were captured on my computer running Windows XP on a C2D E6600, GeForce 8800GTX (Forceware 163.71), 2GB DDR2 at 2560x1600 (4xFSAA/16xAF/HDR-off/Normal shadows).
Edit. Fixed link
Basically, STFU..i think CCP has done a fantastic job considering this is only Direct x9 which, afaik is the same DX that Battlefield 2/2142 and half life 2 run on. now
look at the textures of half life 2 and battlefield2...DO THEY LOOK EVEN HALF AS GOOD AS THE TRINITY TEXTURES?!?!? No! they dont..if you want awe inspiring textures go play crysis or wait till next november for the DX10 version of EVE and ambulation or whenever it comes out. Otherwise i suggest u shut up and put up .. i for one am extrememly impressed with the improvements made by CCP specially considering that i am a 3d artist myself.
...ahh :P rant over
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:03:00 -
[58]
As always, the more vocal part of the EVE-community show how little attention they are worth.
Show me ANY MMO that can rival the graphics of the new EVE-engine.
Show me ANY MMO that does that and has such a complex world and supports 40,000 simultaneous players connected to the one same server.
As for the boot.ini-file, that's pretty a pretty damn stupid thing that shouldn't have passed through testing. But it did, and if it caused you a lot of harm - then you probably would be better off with an XBOX.
It's amazing how spoilt, whiny, self-important, thoughtless and generally unappreciative some people are. Just shut your spoilt traps and go cry in mommy's laps instead of here. Kthxbye.
- Recruitment open again-
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Snakebloke
Knights of Chaos
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:12:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
As always, the more vocal part of the EVE-community show how little attention they are worth.
Show me ANY MMO that can rival the graphics of the new EVE-engine.
Show me ANY MMO that does that and has such a complex world and supports 40,000 simultaneous players connected to the one same server.
As for the boot.ini-file, that's pretty a pretty damn stupid thing that shouldn't have passed through testing. But it did, and if it caused you a lot of harm - then you probably would be better off with an XBOX.
It's amazing how spoilt, whiny, self-important, thoughtless and generally unappreciative some people are. Just shut your spoilt traps and go cry in mommy's laps instead of here. Kthxbye.
Couldn't have said it better myself I cannot believe that all the time and effort that has been put into this from a relatively small game developers company over the last 2 years is being ignored by a small minority of the EVE Community. Overall i think people like the new graphics dispite the numerous and humourous glitches in the game atm
This is the last you will hear from me ont his matter as i agree with Tobias entirely...some people in the eve community really aren't worth the attention they crave...
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Arana Tellen
Gallente
The Blackguard Wolves
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:22:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Arana Tellen on 06/12/2007 23:23:22
Originally by: ry ry
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
Try again when Infinity is a working fully released game instead of a few concept videos.
There is a game ther but its just not being
released until it's gfx are perfect unlike eve
online which simply doesn't live upto my
longstanding expaectations. ur all CCP loving
losers.
*claps* the thread was most entertaining.
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:05:00 -
[61]
Edited by: ry ry on 07/12/2007 10:05:39
coincidence. the line length was cropped because i was sending it from my iPhone whilst my Lawyers had me on hold.
Good news for all my fellow litigants, i received a grovelling reply from CCP, tantamount to an admission of negligence...
Quote:
421 Mailbox full
we've got them on the run, clearly. I'm now considering which country to sue them in. I understand the USA in particular will be sympathetic to the PAIN and ANGUISH we've suffered.
*again. |
Yun Mishara
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:02:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Yun Mishara on 07/12/2007 12:04:44
Snakebloke:
Crysis utilizes DX9 an all systems except for Vista; not that IĘm going to compare EVE to Crysis but seeing as how you made a point out of it. The main difference between DX9 and DX10 are that the latter feature a new driver model in Vista and supports Shader Model 4.
I have worked with my fair share of artists and even one or two 3D artists. The quality of the work is alike all creative fields exceedingly dependent on the individual who produced it; the majority of artists are simply incapable of producing the quality of work that is cutting-edge in todayĘs games.
Seeing as how you obviously do not have the basic understanding of technical aspects and limitations of games that are produced today (see the first paragraph); you are likely to fall under this category.
Tobias Sjodin:
I find it funny how you categorize me as ōthe more vocal part of the EVE-communityö and proceed with your rant and flaming of any- and everyone who does not share your specific views and opinions on the subject.
This is my first thread on the forums and as far as attention is concerned; IĘd rather you didnĘt post in this thread if you are unable to keep the discussion on a civil level, on-topic and deter from any and all flaming.
I would expect you to be especially appreciative of this as your statements in your last post essentially make you a hypocrite.
Edit. Text correction
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:07:00 -
[63]
Can I have your stuff?
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UMEE
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:51:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Yun Mishara
Edited by: Yun Mishara on 06/12/2007 12:16:45
I downloaded the Trinity patch and the premium content last night after the servers came back up and proceeded to boot up the game. My first impressions were sadly very disappointing; I was expecting exceptional quality and "future proof" graphics having seen the trailers from CCP but instead all models/texturing turned out to be less than average quality for a game released at this point in time.
Below is an album containing a few screenshots showing of some horrible texturing, so horrid in fact that I'm unsure as to if it is supposed to look this way. The screenshots can be downloaded to view them at the full 2560x1600 resolution they were captured in.
http://picasaweb.google.com/tsebring/EVETrinity/
Apart from the overall low-quality texturing and awful shaders the new ship models also have noticeably low polygon count which makes all curved surfaces look edgy and unsmooth when viewed up close.
The screenshots were captured on my computer running Windows XP on a C2D E6600, GeForce 8800GTX (Forceware 163.71), 2GB DDR2 at 2560x1600 (4xFSAA/16xAF/HDR-off/Normal shadows).
Edit. Fixed link
lol stfu, graphics are awesome.
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:56:00 -
[65]
Personally I dislike the faux-metal textures. The normal mapping looks fugly, especially on the Raven.
However, Trinity is the better client of the two.
What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass! |
2George
Caldari
Radical Fighters
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:06:00 -
[66]
lol
i'd like to see all of you yawning about ugly textures, playing the game in a fight with 100 or more ships on screen. Even with the current so called "low quality" textures and poly counts i think you'll need a crysis like hardware.
with better textures game could be unplayable with the best sli-graphic computers...
they could however offer some options in settings (video).
like Texture quality (low, medium, high, ultra high) so players have an option, depending on if they fight with 100 ships or only 1vs1 and depending on their computer strenght.
besides that i'm also missing some of the standard options like anisotropic filtering, anti-aliasing,...
maybe even model detail, but i think that might be a bit too much if it took 50man year to remodel all the models in high quality.
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Cyclar
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:32:00 -
[67]
Jesus !!!! The whining on these forums is getting to a point where is it funny.
My guess is, that no matter how a good job CCP did, the whiners would contiune to whine. aarrrg !! Pixel error !!!
What I find must funny is the whiners apparent love for EVE. Their entire world simply croumbles, if EVE isn't as they expected. And their only known response. Whine ! I'll can only read this an abnormal and unhealthty love for EVE and CCP.
So everytime you get tired of all the whining, as I do, just feel sorry for the poor whiners. They are actually whining out of misplaced love 
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:49:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Cyclar
just feel sorry for the poor whiners. They are actually whining out of misplaced love
like bumsex?
*again. |
Drizit
Amarr
Lonely out here
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:49:00 -
[69]
Personally, I think the new graphics rock.
There is one issue that's worrying me. I get a bit of lag as the graphics are loaded just before approaching a gate... BAD IN LOWSEC. If it lags with a few Concord ships at a gate, what is it going to do in fleet battles?????
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Cyclar
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:57:00 -
[70]
ry ry:
Fantalistic, selfdestructing whiners:
Making posters saying "EVE is DEAD" and threats about suing CCP is about as selfdestructive as they can get.
Seems like you are crying for help with your EVE addiction. "please, please let EVE die, and CCP go under, so I can get my life back".
Question: Do you really think people care about your EVE problems, when all your doing is really trying to do is finding a way out ?
Legal advice: If you really a serious about suing CCP, you should really stop posting on the forum. Your posts could easily be used against, like for example your motivation for suing, just to name one. Get my point?
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Cyclar
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:07:00 -
[71]
ry ry: "like bumsex?"
And can't and won't speak for your sexual orientation. Im having a hard time seeing the relavance on EVE online forums.
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Bomberos
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:09:00 -
[72]
Why hasnt ry ry been banned yet?
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.09 17:55:00 -
[73]
Edited by: ry ry on 09/12/2007 18:04:16
Originally by: Cyclar
ry ry:
Fantalistic, selfdestructing whiners:
Making posters saying "EVE is DEAD" and threats about suing CCP is about as selfdestructive as they can get.
Seems like you are crying for help with your EVE addiction. "please, please let EVE die, and CCP go under, so I can get my life back".
Question: Do you really think people care about your EVE problems, when all your doing is really trying to do is finding a way out ?
Legal advice: If you really a serious about suing CCP, you should really stop posting on the forum. Your posts could easily be used against, like for example your motivation for suing, just to name one. Get my point?
i get your point, as stupid as it was, although apprently you didn't get mine.
edit: evemail me your teamspeak details and i'll explain it to you if you like. i'm good like that, you see.
*again. |
ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.09 17:59:00 -
[74]
Edited by: ry ry on 09/12/2007 18:06:28
Originally by: Bomberos
Why hasnt ry ry been banned yet?
because you actually need to do something wrong to be banned? :rolley-eyes:
*again. |
Clueless Alt
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Posted - 2007.12.09 18:08:00 -
[75]
Originally by: ry ry
i'm not quitting, i just want all my money back.
Did you paid something for trinity ? Best scam ever.
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.09 18:11:00 -
[76]
Edited by: ry ry on 09/12/2007 18:11:32
no, all the money i'd paid for eve ever .
i did some rough calculations and it came to thirty nine thousand USD, including a number of punitive charges for the pain endured as a result of the textures not living upto my expectations.
*again. |
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