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Siddy	Posted - 2004.03.13 17:30:00 - [61] Finfleet used same taktiks on me in FifFleet - Myopia war -------------------------------------------
Siddy	Posted - 2004.03.13 17:33:00 - [62] Quote: http://www.frothy.org/images/baldourtinaka1.jpg LOL can u send me this maill plizz? -------------------------------------------
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.03.13 17:37:00 - [63] Siddy, Done. To the Dork Cartel guy, Thank you for your constructive post. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
KrapYl	Posted - 2004.03.13 18:21:00 - [64] is it just me, or does a MWD do little "damage" to a shield tank ? its not that much, as long as u can run it for a good ammount of time :p i dunno, im not flying a scorp, and never have
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.03.13 18:41:00 - [65] Quote: is it just me, or does a MWD do little "damage" to a shield tank ? its not that much, as long as u can run it for a good ammount of time :p i dunno, im not flying a scorp, and never have It's offline until I need it LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Nirvy	Posted - 2004.03.13 19:00:00 - [66] Edited by: Nirvy on 13/03/2004 19:44:41 Heh I remember how frustrating this is, infact it was against your old Everlasting Corp mates. Up until that war we had never had that problem in empire before. CCP told us its not an exploit, despite us have pics of certain members admitting it. You yourself even said it was no exploit and that if we couldnt handle it then stop fighting in empire. It gets tiring dealing with that crap doesnt it. Mercenary \| The Azath
Styrmir	Posted - 2004.03.13 23:45:00 - [67] Quote: Here is a possible solution to the alt issue. Put a timed lock-out on a switch between characters on the same account. Say 12 hours for arguments sake. Not a perfect solution but at least there is a cost of sorts, attached to using/switching between alts. e.g "We need someone to look on the other side of the gate" "I ain't doing it..I heard there are 12 BS on the other side. I ain't risking it" "Use an alt" "Yeah but then i won't be able to join in the fight with you folks coz my main will be locked out" Very simple example but it should illustrate my point. It doesn't stop folks doing the stuff you're talking about Joshua but it should make them think twice about doing it Just my 2 isk I very much like that idea. Would stop some of the alt abusing but still let people who like to play different chars do that :-) Founder and Manager of The Misneden Shuttle Museum
AntiHero	Posted - 2004.03.13 23:59:00 - [68] Bottom line: alts are part of the game... so just deal with it. ---
Merdekka Radaen	Posted - 2004.03.14 00:03:00 - [69] Quote: Further proof that the current war system is for carebears: http://www.frothy.org/images/techell-loser.jpg Idiots like Jayloh leave their corporation and spend time scanning/orbiting us and we can do nothing. As a guy who is also at war with Techell I have had my fair share of encounters with Jayloh. Nothing about this player grants him any real right to existance. Loot theft, corpse theft, missile shield. If it's lame, Jayloh is all over it. Techell field what seems at times to be a veritable fleet of alts, and won't dare attack you without scanning your ship setups with characters we can't even touch. It gets a little tired to say the least. I even petitioned over the missile shield business and the gm basically said they agree, but didn't know what they could do about it. Yeah, great, that was EXACTLY what I wanted to here, NOT. It would go a long way just to be able to see the names of the other characters on that account. I'm sure a lot of people would be discouraged from this sort of behaviour if it was spelled out in black and white who was really behind the character. Who wants to be revealed as a total lamer?
Lidza	Posted - 2004.03.14 01:24:00 - [70] Edited by: Lidza on 14/03/2004 01:25:41 Quote: Quote: Further proof that the current war system is for carebears: http://www.frothy.org/images/techell-loser.jpg Idiots like Jayloh leave their corporation and spend time scanning/orbiting us and we can do nothing. As a guy who is also at war with Techell I have had my fair share of encounters with Jayloh. Nothing about this player grants him any real right to existance. Loot theft, corpse theft, missile shield. If it's lame, Jayloh is all over it. Techell field what seems at times to be a veritable fleet of alts, and won't dare attack you without scanning your ship setups with characters we can't even touch. It gets a little tired to say the least. I even petitioned over the missile shield business and the gm basically said they agree, but didn't know what they could do about it. Yeah, great, that was EXACTLY what I wanted to here, NOT. It would go a long way just to be able to see the names of the other characters on that account. I'm sure a lot of people would be discouraged from this sort of behaviour if it was spelled out in black and white who was really behind the character. Who wants to be revealed as a total lamer? I can't find any other reason to use other 2 chars beside this one... Allow more than one person to play this game per household (or account if you like). Personally I would prefer to have just one Char per account, because EVE has lots of "ALTs" where normally people use "ALTS" to play dirty. And unfortunatly I had few encountered with some low players. However have to I recognize that some household my have more than one kid/adult playing his game and using the same account... so I believe that CCP wouldn't change this policy. Now, exposing "ALTs" (If we could define what is an "ALT") would be a false positive! Because if really are 2 or more players per account... then... why should player A and C have to endure problems created by player B? I think that isn't 100% right either to assume that only exists one player per account... (this is just a simple thought) That would me fine if the account belongs just to 1 player... but would be wrong if the account is used by more than one player.
Morlock	Posted - 2004.03.14 04:45:00 - [71] maybe if you move away from yulai once in a while and head out to 0.0 you can kill whoever you want and it won't be an issue. you want to fight a war in the middle of empire, deal with the untouchable alts.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.03.14 05:36:00 - [72] Half the problems with this game comes from people trying everything they can to get the mechanics to fight for them instead of fighting for themselves. It's a cheese tactic but a tactic nonetheless. I'd suggest a nice blasterthron as a counter, Josh. And turn off auto-targetting if you plan to use drones I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.03.14 08:53:00 - [73] Quote: maybe if you move away from yulai once in a while and head out to 0.0 you can kill whoever you want and it won't be an issue. you want to fight a war in the middle of empire, deal with the untouchable alts. Yulai is where the enemy is - why would I go to 0.,0 where there are no location agents or resources I can use? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Sally	Posted - 2004.03.14 10:59:00 - [74] Can someone lock this thread please? The first 2 screenshots are clearly showing an exploit. -- Stories: #1 --
Sally	Posted - 2004.03.14 11:02:00 - [75] Quote: Looking at the patch notes, cruise don't cause any splash at all anymore, so they are 100% safe in empire. I've had to turn off my auto targetting due to alts in empire locking you the same time as you enter a fight, and almost clicking a button to fire as the second target locks. This is really annoying. IMO locking you, should be enough justification to fire back. It shouldn't be seen as an aggressive action, but you should be allowed to shoot without concord interference or sec hit. This along with the 0 spash would fix 90% of alt problems in empire. Come on, don't be a fool, everyone knows that cruise missiles still do splash damage including auto podding. -- Stories: #1 --
Basileus	Posted - 2004.03.14 11:04:00 - [76] Quote: I have also received numerous evemails from immature members along the lines of: http://www.frothy.org/images/baldourtinaka1.jpg And you start whinging about THAT? You sad, sad man.
Morlock	Posted - 2004.03.14 11:04:00 - [77] xetic / if are in immensea josh, not yulai
Cyrus la'Fuir	Posted - 2004.03.14 17:33:00 - [78] After reading this thread for like 30 mins there's only one thing I can say. "I would have rather wasted my 30 mins playing Pacman than 30 mins of this."
Temu	Posted - 2004.03.14 19:44:00 - [79] Quote: To the Dork Cartel guy, Thank you for your constructive post. lol nice, you wont be screaming dork after you get ganked. But then again you will never leave your lovely secure space. <Avon> Idiots and keyboards are a dangerous combination, but seemingly more and more common everyday.
Phony v2	Posted - 2004.03.14 21:01:00 - [80] Edited by: Phony v2 on 14/03/2004 21:19:08 I like what another player had said in this post. Abolish alts. Pick your favorite character, have the other two erased, merge skills into the one. It would work I think. And as far as the harrasment goes...I would stick with harrasment petitions...And regaurding the comments made to joshua - it is very childlike to release your frustration over you inability to kill someone into thoughtless comments. and my alts are Cloudbreaker 03 and Endeavor
Arcturius II	Posted - 2004.03.14 21:38:00 - [81] Quote: I am now going to petition EVERY single instance of locking me, orbiting me, or anything else which hinders my gameplay without myself having the ability to take severe action against the offenders. I don't care what anyone thinks of this - this is MY gametime and I will not have it wasted by dumb idiots. * CHEESY NEWS MUSIC * b-buh b-buh b-buh b-BUHHHHHHH *BREAKING NEWS FROM THE FRONT LINES* *Joshua Calvert's ongoing war with CONCORD* /emote puts finger to ear-piece "Yes, yes.... I now i have official confirmation" "Yes, Joshua is now the biggest carebear in the the universe" /emote shuffles stack of paper
Xavier Arron	Posted - 2004.03.15 00:50:00 - [82] Bah ban all alts, most peeps just use them to support other chars. As posted before, make peeps choose one, then carry skill training time over from the others and allow it to be reallocated to main char.
Darodem	Posted - 2004.03.15 01:46:00 - [83] Soo let me get this straight, Josh Con'mal and some other cyborg guy petition for war against hundreds of players. Then they camp the same systems over and over and complain because they feel harrassed. Here is an idea... instead of whining in the forums file a petition OR Instead of petitioning don't get caught in the same system over and over OR Don't make large alliances come hunt you. You started a war you had no intention of winning and you camp in empire space... sorry if things don't go your way. From my perspective you are the griefer.
Rangar	Posted - 2004.03.15 15:05:00 - [84] The problem in this case is the silly warsystem in EVE. How can it be, that a pirate corp (4 man corp, only founded to annoy some bigger trader corps) can declare war in Empire Space? Compared with RL that would be like The Mafia declaring war on United Parcel Service, robbing their trucks every day and the police doing nothing, because the criminals ähad declared warô. In fact this warsystem in EVE is a guarantee for griefing and harassment. A few people can spoil the fun for a lot of people. What can the big corporation do against the criminals? They could ignore the problem. The galaxy is big, the enemies are only a few and the loss of some unarmed transport ships to them is acceptable. Problem in this case is, that there are some bottlenecks like Yulai. So the big galaxy becomes suddenly very small and the losses are not acceptable anymore. So you have to gather forces, remove them from mining, hauling, trading and let them do boring stuff they don¦t want to do, like camping gates. Because they are mostly miners and traders and accordingly inexperienced in pvp, they need to be more pilots than the pirates. But as soon as the pirates are confronted with bigger forces they simply log off. Their goal are easy kills (if they would want real fights, they would just go to 0.0 space, where they would find our Defense Force). Only with luck (like yesterday, where we could destroy 2 of their ships) the trader corp can do some damage to them. The rest of the time we have to accept the griefing and play to their rules or don¦t play at all. So I really hope, that CCP will overwork the warsystem very soon (without the TM). Wars in empire space should only be possible, if either both sides agree to the war or the side, which declares a unilateral war has to pay CONCORD a huge amount of money as bribe every day. Greetings Rangar
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.03.15 15:31:00 - [85] Some corporations have taken steps to ensure leaving the corporation to harass the enemy doesn't happen, or at least removes any ill gotten gains from doing so. As for removing alts, in that case I'd like to see all the points spent on those alts being recalculated and inserted into the 'main' character instantly in a set of skills or skill of their choosing. This I forsee taking quite some time. Convert Stations
Iznogud	Posted - 2004.03.15 15:38:00 - [86] Quote: F12 -> Pertition -> Harrasment very simple but then again ... it will only be GM who see JC whine and we cant have that can we http://www.shinra.com/ Shinra Republic Artillery-round deliver Izno~
Wild Rho	Posted - 2004.03.15 16:22:00 - [87] Edited by: Wild Rho on 15/03/2004 16:23:20 Reveal everyones alts. Will solve alot of the harrasement rubbish. I have one alt I made to represent the first corpse I picked up. I call him "Ded Fred". I dont even use the damn thing except to check market prices on the other side of eve. Everything else I do I do with my main and live with the consequences. Makes everything so much more interesting. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it...
Lucre	Posted - 2004.03.15 16:23:00 - [88] Quote: Also, a number of our war enemies pilots have left their corporation in order to continue working for their corporation un-molested. Is this fair? Appalling. Almost as bad as leaving your corporation for a 3-player instacorp so you can go a-pirating in Empire Space whilst your old corp remains un-molested... (I don't condone the alt harrassment tactics one little bit. But I find this particular comment of yours more than a little ironic... :-) )
Grumpf	Posted - 2004.03.15 16:58:00 - [89] Also, a number of our war enemies pilots have left their corporation in order to continue working for their corporation un-molested. Is this fair? Let me sum this. 3 EV pilots found a new corp to declare war on 3 trading corporations. They camp Yulai because there is alot of traffic passing it. Now you whine, because people keep an eye on you from outside those 3 corporations. WTF???? You declared war upon 300 people and now you whine that they fight back? CoP has only 4 pilots in them, which means they get their supply from somewhere else. You pick on us not to fight our BS but to fight our indus. That is the sole truth. You do not want a war, you want to terrorize people. I have no idea who those people are that harass you and i do not condone it. We came to Yulai last night to fight and that we did. Still we will prolly see Con'Mal in another Tempest today from your shadow corp. If you want info on alts, i want info on who builds your ships. Until that it is truly pathetic how you can come on these forums and cry about alts.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.03.15 17:10:00 - [90] I'm not whining about your spies - I'm whining about how they orbit us and try to get in the way of our missiles. I'm sure the people doing this aren't all STK-S/X-Trading alts, though. I'm also complaining how more than a few of your pilots have left your corporation and continue to go about their business. You're really a dumb ** if you think Con'Mal, Madcyborg, and I are still working for EV - we three players are more than capable of backing up our claims as you've no doubt seen. We've got over 34M skill points between us, have been in the game since beta (or day of release for me) and can easily replace our losses. We're not n00bs. Unlike you guys who resort to trying to get CONCORD to do your work for you LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!**

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