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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.11 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 11/03/2004 21:53:39
I am getting exceptionally frustrated and annoyed by tactics that certain war enemies are engaging in. Namely, using non-corp alts to persistently harrass and annoy Con'Mal and I using such tactics as pictured below:
http://www.frothy.org/images/petition1.jpg
http://www.frothy.org/images/petition2.jpg
Excentrica Gallumbits and Iwan Iwanoswitch are the most common offenders but I've included images of only one offence that I've managed to screen grab.
They (our war enemies not the above-named idiots) also spam Con'Mal and I with gang/convo invites whenever a colleague is trying to get beyond our camped gate. We have auto-reject switched on at most times but it's amazing how often one of us will switch it off to make a gang and virtually EVERY time we get convo invites - it beggars belief that they are trying it so continually.
I have also received numerous evemails from immature members along the lines of:
http://www.frothy.org/images/baldourtinaka1.jpg
http://www.frothy.org/images/baldourtinaka2.jpg
http://www.frothy.org/images/baldourtinaka3.jpg
http://www.frothy.org/images/baldourtinaka4.jpg
I realise baldour tinaka may not be an alt but his behaviour is so alt-like it's hard not to believe he's a 3-day old n00b (killing his cruiser with a cruiser was not "ganking" or "unfair" so I cannot understand his stupid evemails).
Also, a number of our war enemies pilots have left their corporation in order to continue working for their corporation un-molested. Is this fair?
Force alt characters to be in the corporation of the character with the most skill-points, CCP, or give us some way of ridding ourselves of pesky annoyances!
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.03.11 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Dust Puppy on 11/03/2004 20:50:23
Agreed the alts should be made public.
And if you are going to harass someone with immature evemails than at least be funny. Those evemail were unoriginal and lame to say the least.
Oh and my current alts are Rootus Rootus and LeAnn Rice so it's not me 
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.03.11 20:52:00 -
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F12 -> Pertition -> Harrasment
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.03.11 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 11/03/2004 20:58:34
LAMERS, please end yourselfs (tm). Or let a GM help them with that.
On the alt issue... I wouldn't like to have my alts public, cause I'm really playing them as 2 other characters.
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Phoenixgurl
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Posted - 2004.03.11 20:56:00 -
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btw, what ship has 8 med slots? Never seen one able to put 3 invul, 1 xlarge, 1 amp and mwd plus sensor booster? wth? |
cashman
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Posted - 2004.03.11 20:57:00 -
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btw, what ship has 8 med slots? Never seen one able to put 3 invul, 1 xlarge, 1 amp and mwd plus sensor booster? wth?
Scorpion, Caldari BS
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.03.11 20:57:00 -
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btw, what ship has 8 med slots? Never seen one able to put 3 invul, 1 xlarge, 1 amp and mwd plus sensor booster? wth?
Scorpion
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LaneHacker
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Posted - 2004.03.11 21:01:00 -
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Petition them for harassment, that will put an end to such eve-mails.
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Georg Inekn
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Posted - 2004.03.11 21:03:00 -
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Petition and block. Posting here won't accomplish anything but make you look foolish.
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.03.11 21:04:00 -
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or give us some way of ridding ourselves of pesky annoyances!
Since when do harassment petitions not suffice?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.11 21:06:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 11/03/2004 21:08:53
I've submitted petitions (and so has Con'Mal) for the cases listed above.
I understand someone will consider that I'm being whiny and a "cry-baby" but I will not have my gametime ruined by other people's lame actions.
I have no other recourse but to move away when the "locking and warp-jamming a can" thing happens and that's not how I wish to spend my time playing Eve.
Orbiting players who are obviously camping a gate is also becoming a nuisance and it means I hardly dare use missiles even though cruise missiles caus less splash - I'm not risking 65M isk worth of battleship on causing 360dmg to some idiot who throws himself in front of my missiles.
I am now going to petition EVERY single instance of locking me, orbiting me, or anything else which hinders my gameplay without myself having the ability to take severe action against the offenders. I don't care what anyone thinks of this - this is MY gametime and I will not have it wasted by dumb idiots.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.11 21:07:00 -
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or give us some way of ridding ourselves of pesky annoyances!
Since when do harassment petitions not suffice?
Petitions take time to answer - these idiots can harang a player for hours before anything is done.
I point blank refuse to put up with it anymore.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2004.03.11 21:21:00 -
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Looking at the patch notes, cruise don't cause any splash at all anymore, so they are 100% safe in empire.
I've had to turn off my auto targetting due to alts in empire locking you the same time as you enter a fight, and almost clicking a button to fire as the second target locks. This is really annoying.
IMO locking you, should be enough justification to fire back. It shouldn't be seen as an aggressive action, but you should be allowed to shoot without concord interference or sec hit.
This along with the 0 spash would fix 90% of alt problems in empire.
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.03.11 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: cashman on 11/03/2004 21:23:13
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Petitions take time to answer - these idiots can harang a player for hours before anything is done.
I just made a pertition for harrasment about 45min ago, I recieved an answer within 30min. Just don't let them get to you, dock for a while. Eventually they will get bored/banned.
edit: damn keyboard!
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.11 21:23:00 -
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In 0.5 and above you shouldn't be able to target any pilot you're not at war with.
That's a nice simple solution for one of the problems, eh?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.11 21:26:00 -
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Looking at the patch notes, cruise don't cause any splash at all anymore, so they are 100% safe in empire.
They still impact on someone flying into them and, if sufficiently damaging enough to pod the player, CONCORD spank the crap out of you.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2004.03.11 21:28:00 -
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Quote:
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Looking at the patch notes, cruise don't cause any splash at all anymore, so they are 100% safe in empire.
They still impact on someone flying into them and, if sufficiently damaging enough to pod the player, CONCORD spank the crap out of you.
well that's a pointless fix :/
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2004.03.11 21:38:00 -
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Those emails are nothing compared to the emails I got from Xirtamvotf, and Blackmoonvotf a long time ago in curse. Together they probably sent me about 50 hate mails over a period of 3 weeks....
But it is lame that alts are used to avoid corp wars so much. And its even worse when alts are used to hide behind in empire space. A corp mate of mine lost a scorp becuase somebody we were at war with ran behind his roomates alt when he fired a couple cruise missles at him. And CCP does nothing about it...
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.03.11 21:49:00 -
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Probably better to keep adding new instances to an ongoing petition, rather than file a gazillion petitions each week. That'd just get CCP annoyed at you, instead of them.
Yes, they ought to be banned for that sort of chicanery. IMO an alt should be either a completely different character in its own right, or shouldn't exist. It should *not* be used as a cover for what your main character is up to.
On a side issue, please change the name of those jpgs. I don't want anyone thinking it was me harassing you like that - my insults are a little more crafted than "Hey Joshua, you suck" 
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.11 21:53:00 -
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Baldour, done.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.03.11 22:07:00 -
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In 0.5 and above you shouldn't be able to target any pilot you're not at war with.
That's a nice simple solution for one of the problems, eh?
That wouldn't allow you to sit at a gate with a passive sensor and cargo scanner 
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Styrmir
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Posted - 2004.03.11 22:17:00 -
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Yes, get rid of alts alltogether in my opinion, for various reasons some of which are stated here...
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VeNT
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Posted - 2004.03.11 22:20:00 -
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no way
i have 2 alts trained up in the production skills etc and use them no end!
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.03.11 22:23:00 -
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Well, something does clearly need to be done, but I don't think disabling alts is a good option.
Most people (such as myself) that use alts have them for a useful purpose: I use my one alt, Vala Dae'Tarien for taking care of corp business in empire space when I'm 45 jumps away in 0.0.
IMO, alts should be public: I don't care that you now know I have 1 alt as well as her name--she's a member of my corp and it's no secret that she's my alt.
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.03.11 22:25:00 -
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"we are hunting rabit how are yah buggs"
Wow.
Can we have a "retard" petition option, please?
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Belzavior
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Posted - 2004.03.11 23:02:00 -
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Well at least they took the time to draw you a middle finger LOL.
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Jayad
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Posted - 2004.03.12 01:08:00 -
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Alts supporting pirates, spoils game dynamics. I like having pirates about, but Spy's / trolls, is just not Cricket.
Since stuck cases are not as frequent, one account for one character should be fine. This is ofcourse the final solution.
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Sally B
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Posted - 2004.03.12 01:21:00 -
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Joshua Calvert is shield tanking with an MWD
Do you get podded alot or do you run alot?
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.03.12 02:08:00 -
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Edited by: XpoHoc on 12/03/2004 02:10:01
I shouldn't have deleted all the hate mails I received from t the old days of 60k gate camping. Could fill pages with them, but most of it would not survive the forum filter.
I never ever reported anything of it, because I know their day was screwed anyways, but if someone would send me convo/gang invite all the time then I think this is more than harassment, it's almost exploiting. This ppl should not be warned but banned instantly.
But I don't understand what that has to do with alts.
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SanFaber
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Posted - 2004.03.12 02:14:00 -
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I have never understood the need for alts and have always been a proponent for a single character only per account....people will be forced to be more responsible. Certainly the overinflated member numbers of a corp would become ridiculous thing of the past
Get rid of them. Force us to choose our favorite of the three....allow us to merge the skills from the other two alts to our primary character (we dont want all that traing time wasted after all)
Formerly Voidhawk
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2004.03.12 02:22:00 -
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I can understand why people like them.
I'm also fine with people knowing who a char's alt's are.
Mine's Syreen.
"As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade" |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.12 17:48:00 -
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Quote:
Joshua Calvert is shield tanking with an MWD
Do you get podded alot or do you run alot?
A fine example of why alts should not be able to post on the forums.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2004.03.12 18:25:00 -
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In 0.5 and above you shouldn't be able to target any pilot you're not at war with.
That's a nice simple solution for one of the problems, eh?
Negatory batman, what about any sort of emitters, you need to lock someone to know who to give the shield/cap to.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.12 18:26:00 -
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Holy Logical Discussion, Robin, there could be an ability to only lock corp. mates/war enemies in 0.5 and above?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Mara Nobars
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Posted - 2004.03.12 18:47:00 -
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You know there's probably a lot of us that don't HAVE "alts" and a "main" ... I use whatever character I feel like using at that moment. |
Con'Mal
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Posted - 2004.03.12 19:09:00 -
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The problem isnt within using an alt or having one it is the actual usage(griefing) that is what post is about
"The race is not [always] to the swift, nor the battle to the strong." |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.03.12 19:13:00 -
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The problem isnt within using an alt or having one it is the actual usage(griefing) that is what post is about
Having 2 dopplegangers now, Jash Illiam (come on, Amarrian?) and Jash 1llian (at least this putz put some effort into it) I know exactly what you mean.
Though I'm still at a loss to what they hope to accomplish. I am CEO of Light Brigade Industries. I will forever be a member of a corp they will not have access to. And in the end they can go on a baby munching frigate kill spree and I'll not care who thinks I did it.
I deal with people that know me and won't be fooled
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.03.12 19:16:00 -
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You know there's probably a lot of us that don't HAVE "alts" and a "main" ... I use whatever character I feel like using at that moment.
That will change when you have a lot of skill points.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.03.12 19:22:00 -
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Quote:
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Joshua Calvert is shield tanking with an MWD
Do you get podded alot or do you run alot?
A fine example of why alts should not be able to post on the forums.
Sadly, Sally B is a member of a corporation. Might be an alt, but still, not just a troll alt. 
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Scuzzer
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Posted - 2004.03.12 19:30:00 -
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I think it should be considered and exploit naming a cargo container after yourself.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.03.12 19:35:00 -
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I think it should be considered and exploit naming a cargo container after yourself.
I doubt that Joshua was the one who named it...
Still should be considered an exploit though
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.12 19:37:00 -
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JarJar,
Sally B just talks like an alt because there's little wrong with my setup!
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Acix
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Posted - 2004.03.12 19:42:00 -
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Funny all I got when I posted about this happening to me was flames and more flames. I told you all that once this started happening more you would all change your tune. Just be glad you haven't lost your ship to these actions yet.
Alts are usefull but people are using them in a way they were not intended. I killed dozens of alts during the occupation of fountain. It got so bad there for a while there were corpses of alts all around every gate. The most I saw was about 50 at one time at a gate. I picked up about 60 or so in one day. I stopped because they are just useless hangar filling junk. Most people stopped firing at them because you would have to deal with weapons not able to fire right away and one less target ability when the main force came to attack. |
N0b0dy
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Posted - 2004.03.12 19:47:00 -
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When you click on a character in forums, or get info in game, you should see the primary, secondary, and tertiary character on that account. If people want to hide behind alts so bad, let them pay for a completely separate account.
This would help some, be easy to do, and it's not as though the release of this information is unprecedented by the GMs. It has been given to the victims in previous cases of corp theft.
I don't personally object to alts, I'm posting as one now. Better to have your ideas considered (note - not flames) than be kneejerk reacted to due to your corporation.
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Mara Nobars
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Posted - 2004.03.12 21:37:00 -
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The problem isnt within using an alt or having one it is the actual usage(griefing) that is what post is about
The original poster proposed this "Force alt characters to be in the corporation of the character with the most skill-points"
Which is a rather pointless idea ... effectively saying that there should only be one character per account, and catering to one particular playstyle.
Likewise, one poster replied to my comment that I don't HAVE a MAIN and ALTS "That will change when you have a lot of skill points." Again, this person is supposing that everybody MUST use his/her playstyle only, anything else is inconceivable. Also a ridiculous assumption. I've been playing since shortly after the game went live, the fact that I choose not to train one character to uber status and actually use all three character slots is not an invalid choice of playstyles.
There are plenty of players who aren't power gamers and who don't min/max to the Nth degree.
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1337 spyer
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Posted - 2004.03.12 21:43:00 -
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Alt's are fun :)
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Brukhai Khan
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Posted - 2004.03.12 21:53:00 -
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I pay for three characters, for an account with one character I would be willing to pay EXACTLY a third of what IŠm paying now. The way I use those three characters in is nobodys concern, as long as I abide by the rules of the game.
Most of the issues in this post should be taken care of by the GMs, as they (imo) pretty clearly fall under the harassment / exploit paragraphs.
as for people who have moneymaking alts, let them. if thatŠs the way they want to play. not everyone wants EvE to be full of risk and PvP, some just enjoy the quiet accumulation of wealth.
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SKiNNiEH
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Posted - 2004.03.13 00:14:00 -
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One fix would be to have an extra tab to see what the other 2 characters are. Some people will have a problem with this and some people will argue that you wouldn't be able to see characters from a 2nd or 3rd account. But i think its a fact that someone wouldn't use a 2nd account character the same way as some people are using an alt character of one account (once you have a second account, you take care of the main char the same as you would the main char of the first account).
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Drutort
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Posted - 2004.03.13 00:23:00 -
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what about the block feature? IMO it should block the emails and chat/gang invites from those individuals, not sure as i hardly used that feature.
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Drutort
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Posted - 2004.03.13 00:29:00 -
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Quote:
When you click on a character in forums, or get info in game, you should see the primary, secondary, and tertiary character on that account. If people want to hide behind alts so bad, let them pay for a completely separate account.
This would help some, be easy to do, and it's not as though the release of this information is unprecedented by the GMs. It has been given to the victims in previous cases of corp theft.
I don't personally object to alts, I'm posting as one now. Better to have your ideas considered (note - not flames) than be kneejerk reacted to due to your corporation.
i think an easier way would be to show the account name, with each char, and well you could maybe search by account name, and then it would bring up all the other chars, thats how other games have it, were its regardless of the char you go mostly by the account name, and thus even if ppl delete later alts you still know the persons account name, so ppl are less likely to act like morons and some 10 year olds.
Over all i think something like that would improve the eve community as people would not act like they do behind alts. Oh and it would be such a big plus to Corp's as they wouldnÆt have to go hunt and try to track the ppl that they might want to recruit.
If you want to act or partake in some actions that you dont want others to know thats just too bad, when you do something to someone it is public knowledge then, and act like a "man" so to speak about your actions and who you are.
And I do agree if you really want to hide then you can always have more then one account as a lot of ppl already do, plus you could always buy one nowadays
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Styrmir
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Posted - 2004.03.13 01:20:00 -
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When you click on a character in forums, or get info in game, you should see the primary, secondary, and tertiary character on that account. If people want to hide behind alts so bad, let them pay for a completely separate account.
This would help some, be easy to do, and it's not as though the release of this information is unprecedented by the GMs. It has been given to the victims in previous cases of corp theft.
I don't personally object to alts, I'm posting as one now. Better to have your ideas considered (note - not flames) than be kneejerk reacted to due to your corporation.
Yes, as a person that wants no alts I can agree with the comprimise that alts should be seen. If one looked at info of a char one should see their alts if they have one.
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Lump Hammer
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Posted - 2004.03.13 01:45:00 -
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Edited by: Lump Hammer on 13/03/2004 01:50:37
It takes relatively little time to train up an alt on you one account to fly a decent frigate or hauler, albeit without any advanced skills.
I use my alts to explore parts of EVE where I am less inclined to go with a main character, due to the risk of losing implants etc.
Take away alts, the game becomes les playable, imho.
That said, Lump Hammer is the main char on my second account... an alt by another name I guess, and I can train him up well, too. Taking away alts will not prevent people having more than one in-game character.
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SKiNNiEH
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Posted - 2004.03.13 01:46:00 -
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I've lost an indy to friendlies once because they thought i was a spy. So far, alt chars only work against you.
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Lysender
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Posted - 2004.03.13 02:42:00 -
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Those Eve-mails are funny as all hell. Thanks, I needed a good laugh. 
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.13 13:21:00 -
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Further proof that the current war system is for carebears:
http://www.frothy.org/images/techell-loser.jpg
Idiots like Jayloh leave their corporation and spend time scanning/orbiting us and we can do nothing.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2004.03.13 13:49:00 -
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Here is a possible solution to the alt issue. Put a timed lock-out on a switch between characters on the same account. Say 12 hours for arguments sake.
Not a perfect solution but at least there is a cost of sorts, attached to using/switching between alts.
e.g "We need someone to look on the other side of the gate"
"I ain't doing it..I heard there are 12 BS on the other side. I ain't risking it"
"Use an alt"
"Yeah but then i won't be able to join in the fight with you folks coz my main will be locked out"
Very simple example but it should illustrate my point.
It doesn't stop folks doing the stuff you're talking about Joshua but it should make them think twice about doing it
Just my 2 isk
La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs
Star Fraction
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.13 14:26:00 -
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http://www.frothy.org/images/2.jpg
http://www.frothy.org/images/3.jpg
http://www.frothy.org/images/4.jpg
http://www.frothy.org/images/5.jpg
http://www.frothy.org/images/6.jpg
4.jpg is Jayloh repeatedly unlocking/locking us
The other pictures are of a character called ups ups who uses the strange game physics to "stick" her Industrial-class ship to our battleships - this makes it harder to get warp alignment and also runs the risk of incurring splash damage (from a direct hit from our fired missiles rather than normal "splash) and the attention of CONCORD.
Both pilots have been petitioned, just like I said I was going to yesterday.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.03.13 14:31:00 -
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Damn, your enemies must be the lamest ones ever, I hope they realize it's just a game and how stupid they look.
GL with the petitions.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.13 14:32:00 -
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How would I like to see these issues resolved?
- Leaving a corporation takes 2 weeks regardless of whether you were kicked or left - during these 2 weeks you are still a war enemy and can be fired upon.
- Locking becomes an "aggressive" act and, while not attracting the attentions of CONCORD, anyone locking you can be shot without penalty from CONCORD. The ability to fire on someone who has locked you is "open" for however long the "locker" is in the same area as the "locked" - this would prevent frigates locking and unlocking Battleships to try and exploit that.
- Fix game physics so that battleships don't get stuck onto or pushed aside by much small ships
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Temu
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Posted - 2004.03.13 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: Temu on 13/03/2004 17:26:56
Edited by: Temu on 13/03/2004 17:26:11
OMG such whinny lil runts, you get a few evemails and some damn chat/gang invites and you run to the forums to cry like a lil baby. My god if it's that bad talk to the GM's and stop showing your whinny lil ways to the people of Eve.
Alternate chrs are for alt reasons, take pvping for one, your a serious pvper and hated by lots of people, if they knew your alt(s) name they would completly harrass you as you were mining/manufacturing to support your pvping ways. And on buying another account, thats just lame, I shouldnt have to spend $20us and 15us on a second account just to mine for a few hours a week.
Im glad they harrass you..
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.13 17:30:00 -
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Finfleet used same taktiks on me in FifFleet - Myopia war
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.13 17:33:00 -
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http://www.frothy.org/images/baldourtinaka1.jpg
LOL
can u send me this maill plizz?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.13 17:37:00 -
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Siddy,
Done.
To the Dork Cartel guy,
Thank you for your constructive post.
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KrapYl
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Posted - 2004.03.13 18:21:00 -
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is it just me, or does a MWD do little "damage" to a shield tank ? its not that much, as long as u can run it for a good ammount of time :p i dunno, im not flying a scorp, and never have
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.13 18:41:00 -
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is it just me, or does a MWD do little "damage" to a shield tank ? its not that much, as long as u can run it for a good ammount of time :p i dunno, im not flying a scorp, and never have
It's offline until I need it
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2004.03.13 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Nirvy on 13/03/2004 19:44:41
Heh
I remember how frustrating this is, infact it was against your old Everlasting Corp mates. Up until that war we had never had that problem in empire before.
CCP told us its not an exploit, despite us have pics of certain members admitting it.
You yourself even said it was no exploit and that if we couldnt handle it then stop fighting in empire.
It gets tiring dealing with that crap doesnt it.
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Styrmir
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Posted - 2004.03.13 23:45:00 -
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Here is a possible solution to the alt issue. Put a timed lock-out on a switch between characters on the same account. Say 12 hours for arguments sake.
Not a perfect solution but at least there is a cost of sorts, attached to using/switching between alts.
e.g "We need someone to look on the other side of the gate"
"I ain't doing it..I heard there are 12 BS on the other side. I ain't risking it"
"Use an alt"
"Yeah but then i won't be able to join in the fight with you folks coz my main will be locked out"
Very simple example but it should illustrate my point.
It doesn't stop folks doing the stuff you're talking about Joshua but it should make them think twice about doing it
Just my 2 isk
I very much like that idea. Would stop some of the alt abusing but still let people who like to play different chars do that :-)
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AntiHero
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Posted - 2004.03.13 23:59:00 -
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Bottom line: alts are part of the game... so just deal with it.
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Merdekka Radaen
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Posted - 2004.03.14 00:03:00 -
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Further proof that the current war system is for carebears:
http://www.frothy.org/images/techell-loser.jpg
Idiots like Jayloh leave their corporation and spend time scanning/orbiting us and we can do nothing.
As a guy who is also at war with Techell I have had my fair share of encounters with Jayloh. Nothing about this player grants him any real right to existance. Loot theft, corpse theft, missile shield. If it's lame, Jayloh is all over it. Techell field what seems at times to be a veritable fleet of alts, and won't dare attack you without scanning your ship setups with characters we can't even touch. It gets a little tired to say the least.
I even petitioned over the missile shield business and the gm basically said they agree, but didn't know what they could do about it. Yeah, great, that was EXACTLY what I wanted to here, NOT.
It would go a long way just to be able to see the names of the other characters on that account. I'm sure a lot of people would be discouraged from this sort of behaviour if it was spelled out in black and white who was really behind the character. Who wants to be revealed as a total lamer?
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Lidza
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Posted - 2004.03.14 01:24:00 -
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Edited by: Lidza on 14/03/2004 01:25:41
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Further proof that the current war system is for carebears:
http://www.frothy.org/images/techell-loser.jpg
Idiots like Jayloh leave their corporation and spend time scanning/orbiting us and we can do nothing.
As a guy who is also at war with Techell I have had my fair share of encounters with Jayloh. Nothing about this player grants him any real right to existance. Loot theft, corpse theft, missile shield. If it's lame, Jayloh is all over it. Techell field what seems at times to be a veritable fleet of alts, and won't dare attack you without scanning your ship setups with characters we can't even touch. It gets a little tired to say the least.
I even petitioned over the missile shield business and the gm basically said they agree, but didn't know what they could do about it. Yeah, great, that was EXACTLY what I wanted to here, NOT.
It would go a long way just to be able to see the names of the other characters on that account. I'm sure a lot of people would be discouraged from this sort of behaviour if it was spelled out in black and white who was really behind the character. Who wants to be revealed as a total lamer?
I can't find any other reason to use other 2 chars beside this one... Allow more than one person to play this game per household (or account if you like).
Personally I would prefer to have just one Char per account, because EVE has lots of "ALTs" where normally people use "ALTS" to play dirty. And unfortunatly I had few encountered with some low players.
However have to I recognize that some household my have more than one kid/adult playing his game and using the same account... so I believe that CCP wouldn't change this policy.
Now, exposing "ALTs" (If we could define what is an "ALT") would be a false positive! Because if really are 2 or more players per account... then... why should player A and C have to endure problems created by player B? I think that isn't 100% right either to assume that only exists one player per account... (this is just a simple thought)
That would me fine if the account belongs just to 1 player... but would be wrong if the account is used by more than one player.
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Morlock
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Posted - 2004.03.14 04:45:00 -
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maybe if you move away from yulai once in a while and head out to 0.0 you can kill whoever you want and it won't be an issue.
you want to fight a war in the middle of empire, deal with the untouchable alts.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.03.14 05:36:00 -
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Half the problems with this game comes from people trying everything they can to get the mechanics to fight for them instead of fighting for themselves.
It's a cheese tactic but a tactic nonetheless. I'd suggest a nice blasterthron as a counter, Josh. And turn off auto-targetting if you plan to use drones
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.14 08:53:00 -
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maybe if you move away from yulai once in a while and head out to 0.0 you can kill whoever you want and it won't be an issue.
you want to fight a war in the middle of empire, deal with the untouchable alts.
Yulai is where the enemy is - why would I go to 0.,0 where there are no location agents or resources I can use?
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.14 10:59:00 -
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Can someone lock this thread please? The first 2 screenshots are clearly showing an exploit.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.03.14 11:02:00 -
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Looking at the patch notes, cruise don't cause any splash at all anymore, so they are 100% safe in empire.
I've had to turn off my auto targetting due to alts in empire locking you the same time as you enter a fight, and almost clicking a button to fire as the second target locks. This is really annoying.
IMO locking you, should be enough justification to fire back. It shouldn't be seen as an aggressive action, but you should be allowed to shoot without concord interference or sec hit.
This along with the 0 spash would fix 90% of alt problems in empire.
Come on, don't be a fool, everyone knows that cruise missiles still do splash damage including auto podding.
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Basileus
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Posted - 2004.03.14 11:04:00 -
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I have also received numerous evemails from immature members along the lines of:
http://www.frothy.org/images/baldourtinaka1.jpg
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Morlock
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Posted - 2004.03.14 11:04:00 -
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xetic / if are in immensea josh, not yulai
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Cyrus la'Fuir
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Posted - 2004.03.14 17:33:00 -
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After reading this thread for like 30 mins there's only one thing I can say.
"I would have rather wasted my 30 mins playing Pacman than 30 mins of this."
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Temu
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Posted - 2004.03.14 19:44:00 -
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To the Dork Cartel guy,
Thank you for your constructive post.
lol nice, you wont be screaming dork after you get ganked. But then again you will never leave your lovely secure space.
<Avon> Idiots and keyboards are a dangerous combination, but seemingly more and more common everyday. |
Phony v2
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Posted - 2004.03.14 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Phony v2 on 14/03/2004 21:19:08
I like what another player had said in this post. Abolish alts. Pick your favorite character, have the other two erased, merge skills into the one. It would work I think. And as far as the harrasment goes...I would stick with harrasment petitions...And regaurding the comments made to joshua - it is very childlike to release your frustration over you inability to kill someone into thoughtless comments. and my alts are Cloudbreaker 03 and Endeavor  |
Arcturius II
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Posted - 2004.03.14 21:38:00 -
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I am now going to petition EVERY single instance of locking me, orbiting me, or anything else which hinders my gameplay without myself having the ability to take severe action against the offenders. I don't care what anyone thinks of this - this is MY gametime and I will not have it wasted by dumb idiots.
* CHEESY NEWS MUSIC *
b-buh b-buh b-buh b-BUHHHHHHH
***BREAKING NEWS FROM THE FRONT LINES***
***Joshua Calvert's ongoing war with CONCORD***
/emote puts finger to ear-piece
"Yes, yes.... I now i have official confirmation"
"Yes, Joshua is now the biggest carebear in the the universe"
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Xavier Arron
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Posted - 2004.03.15 00:50:00 -
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Bah ban all alts, most peeps just use them to support other chars.
As posted before, make peeps choose one, then carry skill training time over from the others and allow it to be reallocated to main char.
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Darodem
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Posted - 2004.03.15 01:46:00 -
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Soo let me get this straight, Josh Con'mal and some other cyborg guy petition for war against hundreds of players.
Then they camp the same systems over and over and complain because they feel harrassed.
Here is an idea... instead of whining in the forums file a petition OR
Instead of petitioning don't get caught in the same system over and over OR
Don't make large alliances come hunt you.
You started a war you had no intention of winning and you camp in empire space... sorry if things don't go your way.
From my perspective you are the griefer.
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Rangar
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Posted - 2004.03.15 15:05:00 -
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The problem in this case is the silly warsystem in EVE. How can it be, that a pirate corp (4 man corp, only founded to annoy some bigger trader corps) can declare war in Empire Space? Compared with RL that would be like The Mafia declaring war on United Parcel Service, robbing their trucks every day and the police doing nothing, because the criminals ähad declared warô.
In fact this warsystem in EVE is a guarantee for griefing and harassment. A few people can spoil the fun for a lot of people. What can the big corporation do against the criminals? They could ignore the problem. The galaxy is big, the enemies are only a few and the loss of some unarmed transport ships to them is acceptable. Problem in this case is, that there are some bottlenecks like Yulai. So the big galaxy becomes suddenly very small and the losses are not acceptable anymore. So you have to gather forces, remove them from mining, hauling, trading and let them do boring stuff they donŠt want to do, like camping gates. Because they are mostly miners and traders and accordingly inexperienced in pvp, they need to be more pilots than the pirates. But as soon as the pirates are confronted with bigger forces they simply log off. Their goal are easy kills (if they would want real fights, they would just go to 0.0 space, where they would find our Defense Force). Only with luck (like yesterday, where we could destroy 2 of their ships) the trader corp can do some damage to them. The rest of the time we have to accept the griefing and play to their rules or donŠt play at all.
So I really hope, that CCP will overwork the warsystem very soon (without the TM). Wars in empire space should only be possible, if either both sides agree to the war or the side, which declares a unilateral war has to pay CONCORD a huge amount of money as bribe every day.
Greetings
Rangar
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.03.15 15:31:00 -
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Some corporations have taken steps to ensure leaving the corporation to harass the enemy doesn't happen, or at least removes any ill gotten gains from doing so.
As for removing alts, in that case I'd like to see all the points spent on those alts being recalculated and inserted into the 'main' character instantly in a set of skills or skill of their choosing. This I forsee taking quite some time.
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Iznogud
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Posted - 2004.03.15 15:38:00 -
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F12 -> Pertition -> Harrasment
very simple but then again ... it will only be GM who see JC whine and we cant have that can we
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.03.15 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Wild Rho on 15/03/2004 16:23:20
Reveal everyones alts. Will solve alot of the harrasement rubbish.
I have one alt I made to represent the first corpse I picked up. I call him "Ded Fred".
I dont even use the damn thing except to check market prices on the other side of eve. Everything else I do I do with my main and live with the consequences. Makes everything so much more interesting.
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Lucre
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Posted - 2004.03.15 16:23:00 -
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Also, a number of our war enemies pilots have left their corporation in order to continue working for their corporation un-molested. Is this fair?
Appalling. Almost as bad as leaving your corporation for a 3-player instacorp so you can go a-pirating in Empire Space whilst your old corp remains un-molested...
(I don't condone the alt harrassment tactics one little bit. But I find this particular comment of yours more than a little ironic... :-) )
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Grumpf
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Posted - 2004.03.15 16:58:00 -
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Also, a number of our war enemies pilots have left their corporation in order to continue working for their corporation un-molested. Is this fair?
Let me sum this. 3 EV pilots found a new corp to declare war on 3 trading corporations. They camp Yulai because there is alot of traffic passing it.
Now you whine, because people keep an eye on you from outside those 3 corporations. WTF????
You declared war upon 300 people and now you whine that they fight back? CoP has only 4 pilots in them, which means they get their supply from somewhere else. You pick on us not to fight our BS but to fight our indus. That is the sole truth. You do not want a war, you want to terrorize people.
I have no idea who those people are that harass you and i do not condone it.
We came to Yulai last night to fight and that we did. Still we will prolly see Con'Mal in another Tempest today from your shadow corp. If you want info on alts, i want info on who builds your ships.
Until that it is truly pathetic how you can come on these forums and cry about alts.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.15 17:10:00 -
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I'm not whining about your spies - I'm whining about how they orbit us and try to get in the way of our missiles.
I'm sure the people doing this aren't all STK-S/X-Trading alts, though.
I'm also complaining how more than a few of your pilots have left your corporation and continue to go about their business.
You're really a dumb **** if you think Con'Mal, Madcyborg, and I are still working for EV - we three players are more than capable of backing up our claims as you've no doubt seen. We've got over 34M skill points between us, have been in the game since beta (or day of release for me) and can easily replace our losses. We're not n00bs.
Unlike you guys who resort to trying to get CONCORD to do your work for you
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.15 17:12:00 -
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P.S: The links in my original post will no longer work - I've overshot my bandwidth allowance this month by over 2GB and can't afford to let it go too high.
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2004.03.15 17:19:00 -
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You're really a dumb **** if you think Con'Mal, Madcyborg, and I are still working for EV - we three players are more than capable of backing up our claims as you've no doubt seen. We've got over 34M skill points between us, have been in the game since beta (or day of release for me) and can easily replace our losses. We're not n00bs.
No but you are whiny, little fairies.
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.15 17:21:00 -
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Quote:
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You're really a dumb **** if you think Con'Mal, Madcyborg, and I are still working for EV - we three players are more than capable of backing up our claims as you've no doubt seen. We've got over 34M skill points between us, have been in the game since beta (or day of release for me) and can easily replace our losses. We're not n00bs.
No but you are whiny, little fairies.
I'm sorry, I didn't notice an F-E member posting here - don't CRICE only appear to kiss F-E ass?
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Severe McCald
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Posted - 2004.03.15 17:41:00 -
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To the Dork Cartel guy,
Thank you for your constructive post.
lol
Severe
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Grizwold
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Posted - 2004.03.15 17:45:00 -
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Josh,
The bit about the hasslers putting a ship on top of your ship to interfere with it is legal. I had this argument with GMs over harassment at gates and they said it was legal to harrass peeps sitting at gates!!!!
I specifically asked if it was legal to "park" a ship on top of mine and they said yes!
You unfort will have little luck with the petitions :(
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.03.15 17:46:00 -
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Locked for flaming and trolling.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
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