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Mrs CynoAlt
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Posted - 2007.12.10 16:51:00 -
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The raw material cost from advanced reactions is well over 4bn, plus 500m+ invention costs, 1bn for the base ships, yet more isk for other material like morphite etc, add a reasonable profit and you're looking at 8bn as a realistic minimum.
Thanks CCP but perhaps people might like to buy, say, 5-7 dreads instead and jump haul with them rather than this joke? Or two Roquals.
tbh, there was no reason for this ship to be T2 to begin with. Ridiculous is the word.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 16:53:00 -
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I love alt whines.
 Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2007.12.10 16:54:00 -
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ur wrong, the actual cost is much lower because,
Now this is the story all about how, My life got flipped, turned upside down And IÆd like to take a minute just sit right there IÆll tell you how I became the prince of a town called bel-air.
In west philadelfia born and raised,on the playground where I spent most of my days Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school when a couple of guys said "weÆre up in no good" Started making trouble in my neighbourhood. I got in one little fight and my mom got scared, and said "youÆre moving with your aunte and uncle in bel-air"
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Eve Players are not very smart.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2007.12.10 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: Wendat Huron on 10/12/2007 16:55:03
They're trying to see if they can introduce a ship open to everyone to build and own that no-one ever will.
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Mrs CynoAlt
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Posted - 2007.12.10 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
I love alt whines.
What makes you think I'm an alt 
anyway thats hardly relevant to my point, is it...
8-12bn for a ship which can jump haul two rorquals worth of stuff is beyond stupidity
but hey they'll probably look shiny with this amazing new Trinity graphics engine so who cares
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.12.10 16:58:00 -
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I like how you don't have enough belief in your assertion to support it with your main.
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Mrs CynoAlt
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
I like how you don't have enough belief in your assertion to support it with your main.
this isnt about 'belief', its a statement of fact
the raw material and invention cost for the first jump freighter BPC's we're seeing IS approx 8bn
if YOU think it isnt, prove it - I sure as hell can
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:04:00 -
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I'm merely suggesting that your argument that Jump Freighters will go relatively unused would look stronger if you were willing to support it with your main character, which you aren't. As such, your credibility it lacking.
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Mrs CynoAlt
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
I'm merely suggesting that your argument that Jump Freighters will go relatively unused would look stronger if you were willing to support it with your main character, which you aren't. As such, your credibility it lacking.
Where have I said they will be unused?
I made no such judgement, learn to read and stop trolling.
They ARE costing 8bn to produce, they WILL sell for that or more. There is the statement of fact - do with it as you wish. What character I use to post this information is entirely irrelevent but do carry on with your pointless trolling if it pleases you.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:08:00 -
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Actually, it is entirely relevant that you won't stand behind your post enough to post with your main character. Hiding behind an alt gives you a hell of a lot less credibility.
If you can't understand that, then I am very sorry for you.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:12:00 -
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Quote:
anyway thats hardly relevant to my point, is it...
8-12bn for a ship which can jump haul two rorquals worth of stuff is beyond stupidity
You don't like it: you don't buy it.
Simple as that.
Besides your calculation is wrong. Of course if you buy at most expensive prices in Jita... your problem if you cannot find better sources.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Mrs CynoAlt
Originally by: Tarminic
I'm merely suggesting that your argument that Jump Freighters will go relatively unused would look stronger if you were willing to support it with your main character, which you aren't. As such, your credibility it lacking.
Where have I said they will be unused?
Ahem:
Originally by: Mrs CynoAlt
Thanks CCP but perhaps people might like to buy, say, 5-7 dreads instead and jump haul with them rather than this joke? Or two Roquals.
You refer to the jump freighter as a joke, then suggest that people will use dreads instead. That seems to me that you're suggesting that Jump Freighters will go relatively unused.
Attack me all you want, but my point stands that your argument would carry more weight if you posted with a character that might actually have some authority in the issue, like someone in an alliance.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Aeden
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 10/12/2007 17:23:21
Originally by: Mrs CynoAlt
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
I love alt whines.
What makes you think I'm an alt
Your name.
And yes, they should have been tiers 2 and in a +/- 2b range (or "twice the Tech I" version). They have no use because of their price right now.
Now, with these ships are price pre-nerfed, with jumproutes not working, and carriers nerfed, every 0.0 living alliance are in deep **** for resupply.
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Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Attack me all you want, but my point stands that your argument would carry more weight if you posted with a character that might actually have some authority in the issue, like someone in an alliance.
That is not an argument, it's a self-declaration as a gullible fool who would rather believe something if it is said by someone in an alliance.
If you don't believe his numbers, calculate them for yourself.
"...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007) |
Si Delane
Sector 7
Visions of Warfare
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mrs CynoAlt
Originally by: Tarminic
I'm merely suggesting that your argument that Jump Freighters will go relatively unused would look stronger if you were willing to support it with your main character, which you aren't. As such, your credibility it lacking.
Where have I said they will be unused?
I made no such judgement, learn to read and stop trolling.
They ARE costing 8bn to produce, they WILL sell for that or more. There is the statement of fact - do with it as you wish. What character I use to post this information is entirely irrelevent but do carry on with your pointless trolling if it pleases you.
Accused Tarminic of trolling in Eve General? Say it isn't so.
Posting in a 0.0 logistics alt whine thread for the win.
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Topaz Skydiver
Minmatar
Narrative Freshfood
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 10/12/2007 17:24:27
It will get used, especially, if it proves to be difficult to suicide.
Someone will buy jump freighters, there are enough people and corps with enough isk and they'll use it to move big volumes with less jumps. And to be able to use gates and fly right into high-sec with it. Do I miss something ?
If almost noone uses it, build requirements get changed anyway someday. So consider it pre-nerfed. ( Or the rorqual gets nerfed, but I don't hope so, because that ship is more in my league. )
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OldWolfe
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:22:00 -
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I just wanted to point out that a name a player choose to post under doesn't change the mathematical conclusion of any forms posted in this thread. The only way to counter a mathematical outcome is to counter it with another mathematical answer/perspective that proves the first math invalid or what not.
Anyways, go back to having fun bickering.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: OldWolfe
I just wanted to point out that a name a player choose to post under doesn't change the mathematical conclusion of any forms posted in this thread. The only way to counter a mathematical outcome is to counter it with another mathematical answer/perspective that proves the first math invalid or what not.
Anyways, go back to having fun bickering.
Except that prices are not the same everywhere. And when posting with an alt like this, god only knows why we should believe any of those numbers.
This is not differential equations, this is a whine, a disguised whine, but still a whine.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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OldWolfe
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Originally by: OldWolfe
I just wanted to point out that a name a player choose to post under doesn't change the mathematical conclusion of any forms posted in this thread. The only way to counter a mathematical outcome is to counter it with another mathematical answer/perspective that proves the first math invalid or what not.
Anyways, go back to having fun bickering.
Except that prices are not the same everywhere. And when posting with an alt like this, god only knows why we should believe any of those numbers.
This is not differential equations, this is a whine, a disguised whine, but still a whine.
Like I said, counter it with another form of math that shows an alternative way at looking at this situation in order to put an end to OP's "whine". Thats all 
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Joza Gulikoza
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:28:00 -
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If it's really going to be 8 billion maybe it would be worth to put in some effort building them.
More people are inventing than ever, burning more advanced materials and there could be a problem if supply can't keep up with new demand. Ok not a big problem for moon miners must admit ;)
I see it happening already invention slots are getting queued up to days and weeks even in my bottom end of Eve no one ever visits.
And btw people whining about alts are even more annoying than alts themselves so can you please STFU.
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:31:00 -
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advanced reactions 4tw :D
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Harisdrop
Gallente
Omega Enterprises
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:32:00 -
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OK, Is this someone complaining that something is too exspensive?
HAHAHAHAHA. CCP only gives out bpc you can charge anything you want. Besides do you know that people pay for morphite hahahaha.
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Hydraxian
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Erotic Irony
In west philadelfia born and raised,on the playground where I spent most of my days Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school when a couple of guys said "weÆre up in no good" Started making trouble in my neighbourhood. I got in one little fight and my mom got scared, and said "youÆre moving with your aunte and uncle in bel-air"
Epic Post 
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Erotic Irony
ur wrong, the actual cost is much lower because,
Now this is the story all about how, My life got flipped, turned upside down And IÆd like to take a minute just sit right there IÆll tell you how I became the prince of a town called bel-air.
In west philadelfia born and raised,on the playground where I spent most of my days Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school when a couple of guys said "weÆre up in no good" Started making trouble in my neighbourhood. I got in one little fight and my mom got scared, and said "youÆre moving with your aunte and uncle in bel-air"
YOU WIN.
THREAD OFFICIALLY CLOSED. TYVM FOR POSTIN'
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Attack me all you want, but my point stands that your argument would carry more weight if you posted with a character that might actually have some authority in the issue, like someone in an alliance.
Not that i really care about the original argument, but maybe if you attacked his arguments with your own examples instead of launching personal attacks you would seem like less of an asshat.
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Arenis Xemdal
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:41:00 -
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If 120bil didn't stop people from buying Titans when they were invulnerable, and 30bil for Motherships when they were invulnerable.. how is 10bil going to stop a carebear from getting a massive chubbie with Jump Freighters?
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AMD383
The X-Trading Company
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:47:00 -
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CCP4TL
At this you see the T2 Obi whit the "Stolen Formulas" 1.6er Decryptor.
This give you whit skills 4/4/4 [Gallente Encryption Methods,Gallentean Starship Engineering,Mechanical Engineering] a around 76% sure changes.
This mean ...... you need min 2 BPOs for ONE T2 BPC.
OK 2x 1.75B for Obi BPO
6weeks for the copies whit out Lab make a base price for a copy up to 450M
Then 2x 64 Datacore - Gallentean Starship Engineering ea ~300k = 38,4M
+ 2x 64 Datacore - Mechanical Engineering ea ~1.4m = 179,2M
+ 2x Stolen Formulas ea ~70M = 140M
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6weeks and 1257.6M ISK for a single run !!!
Only Invention cost this only !!!
After this you can start to build your SINGEL run copy of a T2 Obi ......
Need only 4weeks and 60% base wastage.
BTW a Rorquale cost 2B and need 2weeks and this have slots for self def ....
Sorry CCP EPIC FAIL
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Admiral Annihilation
Ganja Labs
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Erotic Irony
ur wrong, the actual cost is much lower because,
Now this is the story all about how, My life got flipped, turned upside down And IÆd like to take a minute just sit right there IÆll tell you how I became the prince of a town called bel-air.
In west philadelfia born and raised,on the playground where I spent most of my days Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school when a couple of guys said "weÆre up in no good" Started making trouble in my neighbourhood. I got in one little fight and my mom got scared, and said "youÆre moving with your aunte and uncle in bel-air"
Awesome execution, 9/10!
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Erotic Irony
ur wrong, the actual cost is much lower because,
Now this is the story all about how, My life got flipped, turned upside down And IÆd like to take a minute just sit right there IÆll tell you how I became the prince of a town called bel-air.
In west philadelfia born and raised,on the playground where I spent most of my days Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school when a couple of guys said "weÆre up in no good" Started making trouble in my neighbourhood. I got in one little fight and my mom got scared, and said "youÆre moving with your aunte and uncle in bel-air"
Worst bel-air ever. Actually, I don't think it even counts. Go back to gaia.
The only thing worse than 4chan memes outside 4chan is poor attempts at 4chan memes outside 4chan.
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:05:00 -
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geesh.. you'd think people could wait at least a month for the market to settle before firing up the whambulance. but then again, i've been hearing sirens non-stop since the 24 hr DT ended. 
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