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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.03.12 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Zap on 12/03/2004 14:52:28 Today I did a little test whereby I ventured into Torrinos in a frigate to see if it was safe for me to do so in my battleship. I was pleasantly suprised when neither Concord or the Caldari Naval scum targetted me. So, thinking I am safe I went and got my battleship and entered Torrinos....
As soon as I loaded I got the message "Lord Zap, you have entered Caldari space blah blah it will not be tolerated" So, with a little quick thinking and help from some EVolution players I managaed to get out in one piece. But, I am still more than a little ****ed off considering I had tested the system out in a frigate beforehand. Makes no sense at all.
Does anyone know wtf is up with this?
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Aelius
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Posted - 2004.03.12 14:50:00 -
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The reason is:
The new Concord uber AI.
You fell for their trap.
Selling Raven BPC ME20 3M at Yulai 1st Station |
Purple Andromeda
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Posted - 2004.03.12 14:51:00 -
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LOL that should be a standard rule for you, hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Anyone who use to abuse noobs to feel big should get ganked on a regular basis bwhahahahaha
Alow me to send concord my gratitude, too bad Evol players were their to help you out :/ it would have been a happyer ending to see Madame Zappy get slaughtered...oh well next time :D |
Vistilantus
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Posted - 2004.03.12 14:51:00 -
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That does suck.... i guess concord and the sentries didn't expect you to fly in, in a shuttle, so they ignored you, thinking it was an imposter.....
A lil IC explanation, but for real, that sucks....
~Vistilantus
~I don't Have an attitude problem, YOU have a perception problem. |
Vistilantus
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Posted - 2004.03.12 14:52:00 -
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hehe, all posted at almost the same time
~Vistilantus
~I don't Have an attitude problem, YOU have a perception problem. |
EvilDoomer
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Posted - 2004.03.12 14:53:00 -
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Quote: LOL that should be a standard rule for you, hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Anyone who use to abuse noobs to feel big should get ganked on a regular basis bwhahahahaha
Alow me to send concord my gratitude, too bad Evol players were their to help you out :/ it would have been a happyer ending to see Madame Zappy get slaughtered...oh well next time :D
I have to agree!!!
Thanks EvilDoomer
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.03.12 14:53:00 -
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Quote: LOL that should be a standard rule for you, hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Anyone who use to abuse noobs to feel big should get ganked on a regular basis bwhahahahaha
Alow me to send concord my gratitude, too bad Evol players were their to help you out :/ it would have been a happyer ending to see Madame Zappy get slaughtered...oh well next time :D
How constructive of you Spawn of the Devil
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RagnarH
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Posted - 2004.03.12 14:55:00 -
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looking at all the ppl u have killed Zap, dont u deserve to be tricked once This char is perm banned on forums :S |
Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2004.03.12 14:58:00 -
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yeah Lord Zap's a bad character, and by Bad I mean shouldn't have been alowed to do what he did.
Still if it was a bug he should be repayed any losses. If it wastn't then I guess Concord is smarter, though frigs can cause some serious damage if done right so wht would they ignore one. I get ignoring a shuttle, but Lord Zap is the kinda jerk charatcer that would shoot at noobs in noob ships in like New Caldari...so they should have blown up that jerk water character when he came in the first time. |
Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.03.12 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Zap on 12/03/2004 14:59:38 Indeed it doesnt make any sense. If Polaris can get clarification on whether this is normal AI (i hope not) or whether the AI is b0rked, Id be most appreciative.
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Severus Trajan
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Posted - 2004.03.12 14:59:00 -
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Quote: Does anyone know wtf is up with this?
Perhaps CONCORD has been given some improved AI, in that they may not consider shuttles and frigates (for example) threatening enough to gank. While a battleship on the other hand...
Dunno if this is the case, but would sort of make sense I guess. Vaguely remember suggestions to this effect being aired in some part of the forum.
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.03.12 15:00:00 -
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You morons wouldn't be laughing if it was you.
As for Zap, I dunno, it sounds like the AI was b0rked or something. ------------- My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants. I <3 ( . Y . ) |
Angela Eve
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Posted - 2004.03.12 15:03:00 -
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Any one who is still talked about for the low, underhanded, pathetic, nasty, and horrible actions (charatcer not the person) gets two things.
1. Props for being so well known, I was playing when Lord Zap threw his hands up and said he would quit, so I never got the pleasure of spitting at him :/
2. kick in the pants for giving pirates a bad name. *kick*
It is so easy to not lose sec rateing in such a way that concord kills you on site. You work on the game Lord Zap, how can you be so inept at it? Ah well maybe you got fired
Concord was doing its job, why complain, you got put on the most wanted list, duh |
S3VYN
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Posted - 2004.03.12 15:05:00 -
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Yeah, I don't think AI has the "revenge" module yet. Seeking revenge for all the innocent Zap has killed in the past.
Sounds like faulty mechanics somewhere. I've noticed several... oddities in the past few days. Maybe CCP is making some significant changes without notification? If so, I think game mechanic changes should be announced, especially if they could lead to a player losing their ship... ------------------------------------- // The views expressed by this poster are not the views of the poster's corporation, alliance, planet or television network... but they should be. |
Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.03.12 15:08:00 -
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Perhaps it was a GM inflicting some RP on you? |
Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.03.12 15:12:00 -
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And for all the stupid fools who would laugh at my misfortune I'd just like to remind them I didnt lose my ship to stupid concord, because there is a fairly easy way to avoid concord in even 1.0 systems. However, getting out of the system is another matter entirely.
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.03.12 15:13:00 -
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Please, if you cant post something constructive don't post at all. Thankyou
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.03.12 15:13:00 -
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Well to clarify the matter I can tell you but the thread will most likely be locked.
I tested it with an alt in yulai 4-5 days, went in a noob ship to a belt and locked and started shooting an indy mining there, nothing happaned, no msg saying I started an aggression, no loss of sec stat, no concord, I unlocked, warped out and back in, locked and shot at another indy, nothing happaned, so I sent a petition about this but and got a reply few minutes later from polaris and then a GM after that.
I tried several times that day in various systems and found out that in about 7 out of 10 times when I shoot at someone nothing happaned.
Note that no ships were hurt in this test (except my reapers), I always stopped at about 50% shields if they were AFK and I did not exploit in any way since I was in steady contact with the particular GM about what happaned. Spawn of the Devil
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.03.12 15:14:00 -
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I find it funny that, when told about a possible low-sec exploit, which would allow <-5 sec players access to all areas in a frigate, the spaz-factory rejects can only manage to laugh at the messenger.
talk about strange priorities... .
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.03.12 15:17:00 -
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Quote: Well to clarify the matter I can tell you but the thread will most likely be locked.
I tested it with an alt in yulai 4-5 days, went in a noob ship to a belt and locked and started shooting an indy mining there, nothing happaned, no msg saying I started an aggression, no loss of sec stat, no concord, I unlocked, warped out and back in, locked and shot at another indy, nothing happaned, so I sent a petition about this but and got a reply few minutes later from polaris and then a GM after that.
I tried several times that day in various systems and found out that in about 7 out of 10 times when I shoot at someone nothing happaned.
Note that no ships were hurt in this test (except my reapers), I always stopped at about 50% shields if they were AFK and I did not exploit in any way since I was in steady contact with the particular GM about what happaned.
Omniwar you are a model player! lmao. m0o corp have always been of use to the devs discovering possible exploits and reporting them. We should be payed for bug hunting imo....
I mean, I was on Chaos with my indestructible Dominix the other day and the next day theyd fixed the bug whereby you can make your ship indestructible...
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.03.12 15:24:00 -
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There is something random with that, long ago I did the similar stuff, travelled in a frig to 0.9 system, went ok.
Jumped in my indy to haul stuff I had there and CONCORD started shooting when I undocked. Luckily it was back then before Castor, when indy's still could warp out, and CONCORD was out of scrambler range. --
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Koda
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Posted - 2004.03.12 15:30:00 -
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Zap that sucks. Thanks for making this problem known (although I fear that griefers will seek to exploit this to the max before it gets fixed).
It's sad that useful information is met with flames because of the poster's identity. --------------
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2004.03.12 15:30:00 -
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I'll chime in to agree with Luc about the randomness of Concord/Navy response. I've seen attacks happen in 1.0 systems without Concord showing up. I suspect that it's just a bug, but it would be kind of slick (from a game point of view) if it was purposefully random: "Whew! I was able to slip through Yulai without Concord detecting me!".
What would be really interesting (again from a game point of view) would be if the AI really *could* take your ship into consideration and decide to not attack you if they feel you're just scouting, instead waiting for you to come in with a larger ship. Somehow I don't think this is the case, though...
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Huron
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Posted - 2004.03.12 15:44:00 -
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It would be nice to have a system of graduated risk with PCs as in much the same way with NPCs. Pirate battleships can only enter so far, cruisers can sneak in a little further and frigates further still. However, odds are it's bug.
Huron Gradient
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.03.12 15:55:00 -
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Yes! My plea have been heard, Concord now discriminate between pirate frigates and battleships, o' glorious day!
Convert Stations
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.03.12 16:03:00 -
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Bad Karma?
It usually takes concord some time to respond, it also happend to me a few times that the first 0.5 system I enterd I was doing fine, but then they were waiting in the next.
So, in my theory, if you would go into Torrinos immediatly with your battleship nothing would have happend.
This is not a hijack
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Avon
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Posted - 2004.03.12 16:40:00 -
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I was under the impression that not letting concord kill you in a 1.0 was an exploit?
Think I should petition this. ______________________________________________
Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience. |
SweetCheeks
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Posted - 2004.03.12 17:18:00 -
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Quote: Edited by: Lord Zap on 12/03/2004 14:52:28 Today I did a little test whereby I ventured into Torrinos in a frigate to see if it was safe for me to do so in my battleship. I was pleasantly suprised when neither Concord or the Caldari Naval scum targetted me. So, thinking I am safe I went and got my battleship and entered Torrinos....
As soon as I loaded I got the message "Lord Zap, you have entered Caldari space blah blah it will not be tolerated" So, with a little quick thinking and help from some EVolution players I managaed to get out in one piece. But, I am still more than a little ****ed off considering I had tested the system out in a frigate beforehand. Makes no sense at all.
Does anyone know wtf is up with this?
Oh the Irony! One of the biggest ganker griefers in the game got owned by one of the same tricks he lives by. Whats the matter Zappy get stung by your own hornet? Oh the horror!
HAHAHAHA STFU and deal with it. Oh and here's a cookie!
The only good Minmatar is a enslaved Minmatar. A dead one? Better! |
Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.03.12 17:27:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: Edited by: Lord Zap on 12/03/2004 14:52:28 Today I did a little test whereby I ventured into Torrinos in a frigate to see if it was safe for me to do so in my battleship. I was pleasantly suprised when neither Concord or the Caldari Naval scum targetted me. So, thinking I am safe I went and got my battleship and entered Torrinos....
As soon as I loaded I got the message "Lord Zap, you have entered Caldari space blah blah it will not be tolerated" So, with a little quick thinking and help from some EVolution players I managaed to get out in one piece. But, I am still more than a little ****ed off considering I had tested the system out in a frigate beforehand. Makes no sense at all.
Does anyone know wtf is up with this?
Oh the Irony! One of the biggest ganker griefers in the game got owned by one of the same tricks he lives by. Whats the matter Zappy get stung by your own hornet? Oh the horror!
HAHAHAHA STFU and deal with it. Oh and here's a cookie!
Did you leave your brain at home today? I didnt get destroyed at all. If Id wanted to exploit I suppose I could have gone and got back in my frigate and killed several AFK miners...
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The Drip
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Posted - 2004.03.12 17:27:00 -
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Sweetcheeks, did you even read he post? He lost NOTHING but some time.
STFU and eat your cookie.
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Plim
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Posted - 2004.03.12 17:34:00 -
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LMAO... sorry Zap but there is a kinda twisted humour to this . Concord is teh ebil and they tricked you .
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Recruiter Tom
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Posted - 2004.03.12 17:47:00 -
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that story is just way to funny
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toaster
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Posted - 2004.03.12 17:53:00 -
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Sorry to hear about that Zap. I don't know you but I know the hatred some carebears have towards pirates, which blinds them from seeing the big picture.
It sounds like a bug to me. As someone said earlier, if some of these idiots posting would have lost as much as a cruiser to this bug, there would be crying all over the forums and threatening to quit.
Glad you found a bug that might have cost many more some ships. ------------------------------------------------
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Masochist
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Posted - 2004.03.12 18:05:00 -
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Quote: Edited by: Lord Zap on 12/03/2004 14:52:28 Today I did a little test whereby I ventured into Torrinos in a frigate to see if it was safe for me to do so in my battleship. I was pleasantly suprised when neither Concord or the Caldari Naval scum targetted me. So, thinking I am safe I went and got my battleship and entered Torrinos....
As soon as I loaded I got the message "Lord Zap, you have entered Caldari space blah blah it will not be tolerated" So, with a little quick thinking and help from some EVolution players I managaed to get out in one piece. But, I am still more than a little ****ed off considering I had tested the system out in a frigate beforehand. Makes no sense at all.
Does anyone know wtf is up with this?
If you think that's bad just wait until you enter Curse.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2004.03.12 18:08:00 -
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I'd say it's bug report time. I certainly never heard of CONCORD dealing differently with different types of ships.
Although that would not be entirely unreasonable, it isn't nice to be surprised with that. ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead."
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.03.12 18:15:00 -
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Haha, thats funny
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.03.12 18:25:00 -
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Quote: I find it funny that, when told about a possible low-sec exploit, which would allow <-5 sec players access to all areas in a frigate, the spaz-factory rejects can only manage to laugh at the messenger.
talk about strange priorities...
looks like I ought to put this on page 2 as well, as some people only read the first two lines before deciding to reply with their godlike wit, and uncanny knack of missing the point. .
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.03.12 18:28:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: I find it funny that, when told about a possible low-sec exploit, which would allow <-5 sec players access to all areas in a frigate, the spaz-factory rejects can only manage to laugh at the messenger.
talk about strange priorities...
looks like I ought to put this on page 2 as well, as some people only read the first two lines before deciding to reply with their godlike wit, and uncanny knack of missing the point.
It's what happens when children get a hold of Mommy's credit card and use it to subscribe to MMOGs instead of something normal...like **** sites.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Mr nStuff
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Posted - 2004.03.12 18:32:00 -
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Hmm.. Did the frigate have any weapons on it? I think for instance, concord wont attack a shuttle as it's not perceived as a threat.
Dunno though. But i'm sure that not only concord thinks like this. I'm sure there's plenty of people around that wont mind you wondering around in a frigate.
5 R&D Agents, 10months, Zero BPO Offers.. Onboard navigational [Planetary Avoidance] computer.
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.03.12 18:36:00 -
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Quote: Hmm.. Did the frigate have any weapons on it? I think for instance, concord wont attack a shuttle as it's not perceived as a threat.
Dunno though. But i'm sure that not only concord thinks like this. I'm sure there's plenty of people around that wont mind you wondering around in a frigate.
It's pretty haphazard. Sometimes I can get 10+ systems in a shuttle w/o Concord ganking me, sometimes I'm toast before I even load from the first jump.
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Aerfen
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Posted - 2004.03.12 18:57:00 -
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I'm pretty sure I read somthing a while back about being able to fly in high sec systems, when u have a low sec status, was ok so long as u were in a frig or shuttle, but a cruiser or BS would get you lynched. Maybe this is an example of that. That would make sense or else you would be in trouble trying to get out once you had been put in your mork from ork ship (Pod for those who are not as old and sad as me :) ) or if your clone is in +.5.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.03.12 19:19:00 -
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Quote: And for all the stupid fools who would laugh at my misfortune I'd just like to remind them I didnt lose my ship to stupid concord, because there is a fairly easy way to avoid concord in even 1.0 systems. However, getting out of the system is another matter entirely.
warp to a gang member whom is 15 past the ECP8R gate and in line with ur safespot.
I had to do this a few times.
As for your question, i have had the very same problems in the past, enter in a frig/shuttle and nothing happens, go in ur BS and all hell breaks loose.
its rather strange.
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Stevo
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Posted - 2004.03.12 19:24:00 -
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Aight guys...WTF is wrong with some of you? I mean cmon someone cant even ask a simple question on here without getting flamed by stupid platers that have it out for pirates! Thats retarted...I mean if you are mad at him or his corp for killing either you or someone in you corp or a friend or whatever...STFU get over it! Just to ler yall in on a little secret...EVERYONE GETS KILLED!! Quit being pansy's! What if that happened to you huu? You would say something about it...And would you like it if stupid people flamed your forum for asking the question??? yea probably! My god people I have never seen so many people complain about PC pirates ever untill these last couple of weeks... Zap Ive never talked to you and youve never talked to me, but I have a certain respect for mOo, well known pirates, and other pirate corps. I mean you have to really, considering I used to be with the now infamous M3G4 corp back in the day...and complaining about PC pirates doesnt get you anywhere..In fact it just might make matters worse for the people complaining about them. All this complaining about PC pirates and Battleships have just got me kinda ****ed off? Ask around im not the only one I promise!!!!
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.03.12 20:00:00 -
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*click*
In 3...2....1...
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Darodem
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Posted - 2004.03.12 20:24:00 -
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Sorry guys, but I am going to have to count this topic in the odious pirates whining column, no sympathy from me. I like it when the AI surprises me.
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Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.03.12 20:26:00 -
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And why is this thread 3 pages? Get off it concord didnt attack him when he was jumping around in his wannabee titan frigate. He got slammed when he tried bringing in his pathetic battleship and we are all up in arms?
Theres more important stuff to be discussing on the boards.
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.03.12 20:31:00 -
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Just wanted to say Thanks to Zap and Omniwar for posting this up, and for doing some constructive testing. I hope someone at CCP reads this.
CONCORD and Police actions are different though, I'm almost positive. I've had enough negative faction to be KOS in certain faction's areas, but CONCORD couldn't give a rat.
It's weird, as CONCORD sec rating is actually CONCORD corp standing, but not CONCORD faction, so you end up with strange cases in Genesis where CONCORD may come after you as a Police action, and NOT as a CONCORD/DED action. At least it seems that way to me.
To the people giving them crap, they're trying to help everyone here, stop being so fickle. -- TomB: End the speed-race. 1 propulsion mod allowed, make turrets affect ship attributes like +speed/+ab speed +agil for progressivly smaller/lighter turrets, -speed/-ab speed -agil for long-range. |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.03.12 20:35:00 -
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I find people in this game completely amazing at times.
Zap says the sentry guns didn't fire at his frigate but fired on his battleship unexpectedly and the children chirp in to yell "Har har!".
But if Zap had taken a second out of his time to shoot one of you in his frigate, the same children would be screaming "Wah Wah!".
Take it as a warning or leave it, people. Given your stereotypical view of Zap, he really shouldn't be bothering to inform you and should be loading a kessie for some fun.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.03.12 21:02:00 -
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Well what can you say exept for
JUSTICE!
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Stevo
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Posted - 2004.03.12 21:05:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: Aight guys...WTF is wrong with some of you? I mean cmon someone cant even ask a simple question on here without getting flamed by stupid platers that have it out for pirates! Thats retarted...I mean if you are mad at him or his corp for killing either you or someone in you corp or a friend or whatever...STFU get over it! Just to ler yall in on a little secret...EVERYONE GETS KILLED!! Quit being pansy's! What if that happened to you huu? You would say something about it...And would you like it if stupid people flamed your forum for asking the question??? yea probably! My god people I have never seen so many people complain about PC pirates ever untill these last couple of weeks... Zap Ive never talked to you and youve never talked to me, but I have a certain respect for mOo, well known pirates, and other pirate corps. I mean you have to really, considering I used to be with the now infamous M3G4 corp back in the day...and complaining about PC pirates doesnt get you anywhere..In fact it just might make matters worse for the people complaining about them. All this complaining about PC pirates and Battleships have just got me kinda ****ed off? Ask around im not the only one I promise!!!!
Hey Stevo do us all a favor... Before you start with your inane babble get your head out of Zaps a$$. Reasons:
1) We can't understand a word your saying 2) It's smelly 3) You look like a fool.
Remember young grasshoppa kissing the arse of the moron makes you a the bigger moron
OK? OK! Thanks have a nice weekend!
Cookies Anyone?
WTF is your "grasshoppa" quote? And your saying I look like a fool? You need to you your head out of your own ass, so you can get some oxygen so your brain can work right!
Also I was not suckin up to Zap.. I said that pirates should be respected cause if you dont, they will not give you respect either for that time they might find you somewhere and decide to lock you? Ya know instead of killing you they might let cha go with a ransom.. If you took that as sucking up you have another thing coming! I mean just cause you dont like him cause he did something to **** you off..get over it geez! I mean really its a game have fun dont get made or hold revenge on someone for somthing you can replace with a little work..Ive been killed many times by PC pirates but you dont see me complaining about ---- OHHH GOD HE KILLED ME I WILL HAVE REVENGE or something retarted like that!
Yea and like was said its all funny when something happens to someone you dont like, but if sentry's shot at your A$$ you would be crying to so dont Hypocrites! Sorry you dont agree with me but thats just too bad
Oh and yes please give me a cookie! preferably chocolate chip....Thanks
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Ecliptical
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Posted - 2004.03.12 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Ecliptical on 12/03/2004 21:13:21 Edited by: Ecliptical on 12/03/2004 21:13:09 Hey Lord Zap,
U know I found this out the other day...
I took a shuttle to Valmu (Sansha Battle Tower) and noticed they did not shoot me, I did the same with a frigate, again I could go right close to them and nothing, however when I brought in a cruiser they targeted me instantly.
For some reason, at times the AI in the game does not consider u a threat if u're in a smaller ship class.
Don't know why, but it does seem to be the case here.
Hope it helps
Ecliptical "They call me WitchDoctor Lifter of CURSE's"
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Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2004.03.12 21:11:00 -
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Ok, most of you carebears are out laughing on how heÆs getting hit with the same exploits heÆs used in the past. How exactly is what happened like anything heÆs done in the past? Secondly, how many of you are just going by what other morons are saying about Zap instead of what you have actually seen in person? One group of fools get upset at something he has done (nothing compared to certain other corps who have taking some bugs/exploits FAR to the extreme ~thinks of a certain pirate podding n00bs in Yulai w/o any CONCORD retaliation~).
HeÆs a pirate, not ALL pirates or PKers are griefers you fools. Your playing a PvP based game. If someone blows someone else up, that doesn''t make him a griefer. Now if someone blows someone up right next to CONCORD in Yulai w/o being at war with them and continues to do it for days, thatÆs a greifer. Pirates are here to stay, no matter how much you bish and whine. This game will NOT become EQ no matter what you try. Side note, if it somehow does, IÆm outta here, as the ability to off someone who just made you mad is one of my favorite abilities in this game. It keeps children in check in low security areas. However in high security areas, the maturity levels are nearing all time lows.
As for Zap, yes, he got attacked by CONCORD after switching to a ship that they perceived as a threatening ship. If he was all this ebil being you are making him out to be, he would be fitting up a kestrel right now and killing everyone in high security space. Instead he''s making this fact public and making you all aware of this problem.
To Zap, if ya find anything else as a bug in this game, keep us aware again. And if the kiddies moan and groan and talk of what they donÆt know one more time. Say F them and just become what they are told you are and hunt down every little toddler in that posted and pod them and give them a new diaper.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.03.12 21:17:00 -
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I'm thinking this type of stuff started happening around the time they increased the size of grids.
I have experienced the same manner of issues. But rather it is NPC mobs that can be sitting right off your port side and not lock. However when you do lock and start firing they respond in kind.
I don't suppose you'd like to test that theory with CONCORD and open fire on them per chance ;-)
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.03.12 21:24:00 -
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Settle down Defenders of Zap, no need to rally the whole order in here, there were what, two people thinking this was funny on the whole thread and what now, 10 people coming to support Zap in this his hour of need. Now that is funny.
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2004.03.12 21:27:00 -
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I actually had this happen with the Guri spawns near crielere, went to go grab some loot from cans after i shot a few of them and barely made it out alive in my domi. Loaded up a vigil for high speed cargo runs, and the guri's ignored me even when I was orbitting at 500m.
Soon as I locked one tho, kablam.
I think it may be intentional, but i'd consider it a concord bug, as they should be taking everything out, including frigates. ----------- "Remember people: Omber is the biggest evil ever created, DO NOT let it get to you!" Waagaa Ktlehr, BDCI
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SweetCheeks
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Posted - 2004.03.12 21:27:00 -
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*Gives Stevo a Famous Anus oops I mean Famous Amos Cookie*
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.03.12 21:52:00 -
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Quote: I said that pirates should be respected cause if you dont, they will not give you respect either for that time they might find you somewhere and decide to lock you?
I know people like you and Jash think that by supporting EVERY thread started by a pirate type is going to earn you some clemency in the game.
Even if it does, is that the price you'd pay? Loss of all self dignity? Well we know Jash's answer by seeing the brown stains that mark one dedicated to his profession.
I don't like the pirate mentality much and I also don't like what the game has become because some can't show any signs of self restraint.
So I disagree with your statement. The only people who 'should' be respected are those that earn it.
If people think what happened to Zap is funny so be it. Why people like Jash have to jump in here and tell everyone who disagrees with a pirate is wrong is a flaw in HIS basic nature.
The forums are for opinions and discussion. Deal with it or don't post.
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Purple Andromeda
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Posted - 2004.03.12 22:26:00 -
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Sweet cheeks is 100% correct, STFU whinny pirates. You are supose to be the bad boys who are rough and tumble...boo hoo cry cry cry.
And who ever said carebears would wine about it if it happened to them, I thought all carebears did was mine all day, they would never be in that problem where thier murdering rampages would make concord attack them.
AND what was Lord Zippy doing running into that space anyways, he isn't supose too he had dirty Sec rateing, his character is a low scummy criminal that isn't supose to be in that space...hence Concord attacks. Obviously you lucked out with your frig the first time into that system...or more likely you were cheeting which I wouldn't put past you :P
So keep your funk on the other side of the civilized gates where you and your pirate buddies can shoot at each other all day long :D Though I hear you can fly around in a pod and escape concord, just make sure to let me know when you do and We can replay events where helpless noobs are podded...you remember that right :P |
pooti
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Posted - 2004.03.12 22:37:00 -
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You guys aren't very good at understanding things, are you?
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Lord Zap
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Posted - 2004.03.12 22:57:00 -
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Quote: Sweet cheeks is 100% correct, STFU whinny pirates. You are supose to be the bad boys who are rough and tumble...boo hoo cry cry cry.
And who ever said carebears would wine about it if it happened to them, I thought all carebears did was mine all day, they would never be in that problem where thier murdering rampages would make concord attack them.
AND what was Lord Zippy doing running into that space anyways, he isn't supose too he had dirty Sec rateing, his character is a low scummy criminal that isn't supose to be in that space...hence Concord attacks. Obviously you lucked out with your frig the first time into that system...or more likely you were cheeting which I wouldn't put past you :P
So keep your funk on the other side of the civilized gates where you and your pirate buddies can shoot at each other all day long :D Though I hear you can fly around in a pod and escape concord, just make sure to let me know when you do and We can replay events where helpless noobs are podded...you remember that right :P
lmfao
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.12 23:04:00 -
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i got -2.7 sec status but i can cruise in Ylai/pator/new caladri/etc.. easy in shuttle whitout being gankked....
my only gues is that oncord will gangk for now one only BS and maybe cruisers -------------------------------------------
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.03.12 23:09:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: I said that pirates should be respected cause if you dont, they will not give you respect either for that time they might find you somewhere and decide to lock you?
I know people like you and Jash think that by supporting EVERY thread started by a pirate type is going to earn you some clemency in the game.
Even if it does, is that the price you'd pay? Loss of all self dignity? Well we know Jash's answer by seeing the brown stains that mark one dedicated to his profession.
I don't like the pirate mentality much and I also don't like what the game has become because some can't show any signs of self restraint.
So I disagree with your statement. The only people who 'should' be respected are those that earn it.
If people think what happened to Zap is funny so be it. Why people like Jash have to jump in here and tell everyone who disagrees with a pirate is wrong is a flaw in HIS basic nature.
The forums are for opinions and discussion. Deal with it or don't post.
1) Pirates aren't meant to restrain themselves. You're meant to restrain them.
2) Given your speech concerning respect followed by your words, I can see it's a foreign topic you've only heard about. Never experienced.
3) I can deal with Zap much better than I can deal with your type any day of the week. I know what Zap will want to do if we meet in space: kill me unless some other arrangement was made prior.
The only thing I can trust you to do is follow me in some vain attempt to make marks off insulting me.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.03.12 23:16:00 -
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I think you might have a romantic view of pirates, pirates showing poor judgment and lack of restraint in their endevours are the ones that finally bring the hammer down on themselves.
Those who master the balance become a neglectable nuisance.
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Lysender
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Posted - 2004.03.12 23:22:00 -
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Lord Zap you always are able to make me laugh. But I feel your pain man. But that frigate story just made me laugh really hard.
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Purple Andromeda
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Posted - 2004.03.12 23:42:00 -
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you know we should all stop being so hard on zipper, he might leave the game forever again |
Hematic
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Posted - 2004.03.12 23:49:00 -
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Quote: 1) Pirates aren't meant to restrain themselves. You're meant to restrain them.
2) Given your speech concerning respect followed by your words, I can see it's a foreign topic you've only heard about. Never experienced.
3) I can deal with Zap much better than I can deal with your type any day of the week. I know what Zap will want to do if we meet in space: kill me unless some other arrangement was made prior.
The only thing I can trust you to do is follow me in some vain attempt to make marks off insulting me.
1) No I'm not. I do what I want to do and some pompous JA isn't going to tell me what my duty is.
2) I don't play online games to gain the respect of little kiddie lifers such as yourself.
3) Don't start crying it's not becoming.
4) Don't flatter yourself. If I was ever following you it'd likely be because you were running and weeping like frightened girl.
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Purple Andromeda
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Posted - 2004.03.12 23:59:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: 1) Pirates aren't meant to restrain themselves. You're meant to restrain them.
2) Given your speech concerning respect followed by your words, I can see it's a foreign topic you've only heard about. Never experienced.
3) I can deal with Zap much better than I can deal with your type any day of the week. I know what Zap will want to do if we meet in space: kill me unless some other arrangement was made prior.
The only thing I can trust you to do is follow me in some vain attempt to make marks off insulting me.
1) No I'm not. I do what I want to do and some pompous JA isn't going to tell me what my duty is.
2) I don't play online games to gain the respect of little kiddie lifers such as yourself.
3) Don't start crying it's not becoming.
4) Don't flatter yourself. If I was ever following you it'd likely be because you were running and weeping like frightened girl.
SEE a Pirate, stop crying Zipper |
SKiNNiEH
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Posted - 2004.03.13 00:06:00 -
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The way NPC's are handled is not making sence at all, thats for sure.
But as long as CCP is not commenting on this, it seems we'll all be in the dark when it comes to your issue. One thing comes to mind though: A small frigate might go unnoticed but something as big as the empire state building would not. Hard to say really, if CCP has this kind of depth into their cop NPC's.
Or maybe: Back in the day when NPC-pirate farming was a line of work, sometimes the NPC's would not attack aswell, the same issue might be the case with the cop NPC's. -------
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.03.13 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 13/03/2004 00:08:15
Quote: I think you might have a romantic view of pirates, pirates showing poor judgment and lack of restraint in their endevours are the ones that finally bring the hammer down on themselves.
Those who master the balance become a neglectable nuisance.
Danton, it's not a romantic view of pirates or anything of the like. When the topic is pirates, I think Robbers.
As a kid I played Cops & Robbers as a game with my friends. Average Citizen That Dials 911 & Robbers was way too dull to concieve of playing.
Hematic...I guess he filled the role of Whiny Victim
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.03.13 00:11:00 -
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i see dumb people. and they arent zap or jash...
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Lysender
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Posted - 2004.03.13 00:30:00 -
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Quote: see dumb people. and they arent zap or jash...
So do I ---> Negotiator
Why did they let you into M0o Negotiator. I thought M0o had standards.
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Alex Duron
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Posted - 2004.03.13 00:36:00 -
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Well, even if I think Lord Zap is a dork that doesnÆt mean he should be hit by a bug IF it was a bug. I think it would be great if there was an escalation of force by concord where if a low sec person could travel higher security areas in a ship that was not a threat to others but if they tried to enter in one that has the possibility of harming others he would get chassed off.
IÆm not sure what sec status Torrinos is but from his statements I take it is greater than .5 up to 1.0 and he was taking a battleship up there after finding out concord didnÆt attack him so of course he was up to no good. My thoughts are that he figured he was safe to go up there with his battleship and attack in secure space because if he just wanted to travel through he could have continued on in the frigate. That would lead me to believe also that he was going to exploit a bug that was allowing him to enter high security space without getting attacked by concord. So could you explain to us Zap, what were you going to do with your battleship in high security when you thought you were going to get away with it?
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Cykur
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Posted - 2004.03.13 01:27:00 -
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Zap,
Were you initially in a noobie frigate? Not long ago, I was bored and messing around with an alt to get a feel for Concord response times. Interestingly enough, in a noob frigate concord did not respond, or had a very lukewarm response....I either got away, or didn't even have Concord show up. Going to a more powerful frigate brought a big change in Concord response behaviour, it became responsive and decidely lethal.
I assumed it was code that prevented people from making an alt to distract concord with a noob ship while they perpetrated vile crimes somewhere else in system. Whatever the reason, I didn't mess with this for too long, but the behaviour did seem consistent after a few tests.
Cykur
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.03.13 01:31:00 -
[74]
Point still stands, the worst of the worst should be hassled by the law while the mediocre pirates or clever hold-up men can move around unnoticed.
Massmurder usually get the attention of the massmedia and for those in the eye of the mob there can be no salvation.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.03.13 01:44:00 -
[75]
Quote: Point still stands, the worst of the worst should be hassled by the law while the mediocre pirates or clever hold-up men can move around unnoticed.
Massmurder usually get the attention of the massmedia and for those in the eye of the mob there can be no salvation.
Doesn't leave much room for the people playing the Cops to be...err, Cops.
That's the problem round here. More than enough people are willing to be the bad guy to the hilt. And way too many people wanting to be the Citizen with 911 on speeddial and not Cops.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.03.13 01:50:00 -
[76]
It takes that much more to be piratehunters, there's always that cool kid who dream of being the archcriminal by selling out his hunting party at that crucial moment as to cripple them enough to break them apart so he can become the dark prince in all his glory.
That or they just tire of not having much to show for their efforts compared to the pirates.
In short the good guys always go crooked in the end, just take the mafia, the US what have you...
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Deep Spacer
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Posted - 2004.03.13 02:26:00 -
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im no pirate, actually i pretty much hate most pirates...but what all you whiners are saying gives all us empire spacers a bad name Zap is a pirate, so what? he pointed out a bug to all of us, so in case it happens to u when your wandering around 1.0, u might not lose that shiney BS. as for CCP, the AI of this game needs a bit of a rework. the NPC's are only difficult because they have superpowers. ive actually watched frigate rats shoot a giant veld rock with missles for like a minute before i finally pity killed em with my drones. If CCP would spend some more time working on bugs like this instead of wasting time on shiney new toys for our lil ships this might become a more interesting game. but reading thru this thread, it almost makes me want to join the pirates and pod your whiney asses. grow up and play the game
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.03.13 02:34:00 -
[78]
Now is that high bloodpressure or just bad lighting?
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Stevo
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Posted - 2004.03.13 03:03:00 -
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Quote: Sweet cheeks is 100% correct, STFU whinny pirates. You are supose to be the bad boys who are rough and tumble...boo hoo cry cry cry.
And who ever said carebears would wine about it if it happened to them, I thought all carebears did was mine all day, they would never be in that problem where thier murdering rampages would make concord attack them.
AND what was Lord Zippy doing running into that space anyways, he isn't supose too he had dirty Sec rateing, his character is a low scummy criminal that isn't supose to be in that space...hence Concord attacks. Obviously you lucked out with your frig the first time into that system...or more likely you were cheeting which I wouldn't put past you :P
So keep your funk on the other side of the civilized gates where you and your pirate buddies can shoot at each other all day long :D Though I hear you can fly around in a pod and escape concord, just make sure to let me know when you do and We can replay events where helpless noobs are podded...you remember that right :P
HMM TO DAMN BAD IM NOT A PIRATE....I JUST SAID SOMETHING AND PEOPLE TAKE OFFENSE TO IT! LOL! I just like to get a reaction out of people that take this game way too seriously...lmao...ITS A GAME NOT REAL LIFE! Jeez
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2004.03.13 03:30:00 -
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Quote: LOL that should be a standard rule for you, hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Anyone who use to abuse noobs to feel big should get ganked on a regular basis bwhahahahaha
Alow me to send concord my gratitude, too bad Evol players were their to help you out :/ it would have been a happyer ending to see Madame Zappy get slaughtered...oh well next time :D
Did you get podded by zap at some point,
/me pets Purple Andromeda...There there... its ok. Have a cookie little one. Sass Arcane Technologies |
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Loco argon
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Posted - 2004.03.13 07:05:00 -
[81]
One word.......FNAWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.03.13 08:29:00 -
[82]
Hmm, I don't really care about pirates or worship them like some of the sycophants in this thread, I generally accept the fact that I will get facestabbed to death a number of times in Eve no matter what... but to those of you cretins attacking this pirate fellow because he found a way to slip through Concord security: Aren't you glad he didn't just exploit the hole to slaughter a hundred of you, and not only that, reported it so other pirates couldn't reap a blood harvest of screaming carebears?
Just a thought.
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.13 10:25:00 -
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Just here to stick my spoon in this Falme Soup
In world there is 3 main rules
Rule 1) There is always a vicktime
Rule 2) Dont be that vicktime
Rule 3) errrrr... i forgot, but its not important anyway
/emote imagines if there wasent any greefers/pirats, then what whuld be Falming abaut then?
Who mined my rock ? -------------------------------------------
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KrapYl
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Posted - 2004.03.13 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: KrapYl on 13/03/2004 10:48:27
Zap, i think u got urself another bugreport duty here :D
and for sweetcheeks and that other alt wannaB big ass pimp, Go end urself as a mighty m0o once said...
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