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Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2011.09.06 21:56:00 -
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Morgals wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:[quote=Esan Vartesa] FiS shouldnt be a PORTION of the game is IS THE GAME
THIS Everyhting else should support FIS and if it grows great but is should not take away from FIS.
Lets just take a look at this...
People on the forums consider CCP using resources for anything but FiS "taking away" from FiS. Therefore it is not possible to do what you are asking according to the standard set forth by the "community".
In reality what went down is something like CCP was making money, they decided to diversify, took out a loan, and started to develop other things. People complain that all 600 employees aren't working on FiS, but literally hundreds of them were never even hired for it.
Also,
Quote: What we got here is... failure to communicate.
Misquoting the movie Cool Hand Luke is a deplorable abomination.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.09.06 21:57:00 -
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Why did this thread have to come here?
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:04:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:Why did this thread have to come here? Pubbies love talking about Mittens. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:07:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:
Misquoting the movie Cool Hand Luke is a deplorable abomination.
Or correctly quoting a Guns N Roses song They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Oglyn
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:07:00 -
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Ladie Scarlet wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:Why did this thread have to come here? Pubbies love laughing at Mittens.
FYP
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:09:00 -
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Why are you guys so lazy about typing ****? Stop with the acronyms already!!! |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:13:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Why are you guys so lazy about typing ****? Stop with the acronyms already!!!
ya gtfo with that **** They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Sofia Bellard
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:13:00 -
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Yet another The Mittani Show I will happily miss. He is an attention ***** yes? Will the show be broadcast in green? |
Sister Bliss
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:21:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:People complain that all 600 employees aren't working on FiS, but literally hundreds of them were never even hired for it.
If you were to put Incarna to one side for arguments sake and look at what other resources CCP had devoted to Eve you would find something like the following:
Eve Development: Game Design/Ship Balance - CCP Tallest (1 person) Team BFF (optimisation, the war on lag, etc.) - 5 people?
Eve Development (Artwork) New Turrets / New Ship Rendering - 5 people? Nebulae - 5 people?
You then have other stuff like Carbon which is really architecture and software frameworks which are being invested in to use in all their games products. No idea how many are working on this, clearly will be some benefit to Eve but primary aim is for software reuse with other projects.
So with the above, you have 6 people working on core Eve development and about 10 artists working on making broken **** look pretty. That's 16 people, and even then I am not 100% sure 10 artitsts is actually the case. No-one is asking or demanding that CCP divert 100% of their resources to Eve. 50% would be fantastic, 10% would be amazing. At the moment it is more like 2%.
It is no wonder that ridiculously simple balancing changes which would take 1 developer 2 days to implement are put into a work stack 5 years deep.
Regretablly, even if CCP were to realise at this exact moment their folly, it would take 1.5 to 2 years to actually deliver anything of substance to do anything about it that wasn't purely lip service. |
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:26:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Morgals wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:[quote=Esan Vartesa] FiS shouldnt be a PORTION of the game is IS THE GAME
THIS Everyhting else should support FIS and if it grows great but is should not take away from FIS. Lets just take a look at this... People on the forums consider CCP using resources for anything but FiS "taking away" from FiS. Therefore it is not possible to do what you are asking according to the standard set forth by the "community". In reality what went down is something like CCP was making money, they decided to diversify, took out a loan, and started to develop other things. People complain that all 600 employees aren't working on FiS, but literally hundreds of them were never even hired for it.
Oh yess CCP can diversify and it is wise to do so. But they should not take away or fail to maintain development on eve. The perception is that FIS is suffering to support these other efforts. Between vampires, dust, and incarna development of FIS has been reduced to a fraction of what it should be to maintain EvE's required pace of development.
For example CCP's art team is noted as a bottle neck for Effects, trails, pos revamp, better icons, new ships, and many other facets of eve. We got a break down of what the Art teams allocations are and only a tiny fraction of that team is working on EvE at all and most of them are working on incarna. So we get little to no development on the EvE portion. This is revealed in the last CSM meetings and other official publications. There is also the older break down of what teams are owrking on pre-incarna and actualy space stuff had very few resources allocated to it. There is no indication that this has changed other than team BFF. And BFF has been amazing for so few people.
EvE needs these resources to grow or it will stagnate and die. the dev's working on EvE are great but they need more of them to actually do the work required and the big wigs keep prioritizing non FIS items despite the fact that most of use play EvE for space ships... |
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Kyoko Sakoda
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:28:00 -
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Not going to side with anyone in the debate, just going to say:
Pro journalism = linking to a source that has historically been suspected of keylogging. |
Trig Onami
Onami Corporation
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:30:00 -
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"The Mutiny" should save up for return airfare on his next trip to Iceland. That is all. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:30:00 -
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lol "there came a time when we realized we were being seen as apologists"
geeeee YOU THINK Mittens? "In defense of Arcana" lol
"we NOW have something to crystalize people that theres something wrong with EVE"
....yet nothing up till now has been this lol
It IS funny, Mittens "doesnt speak for the CSM" but none of the other CSM are talking MORE funny is the title of the window. "Funky talks to Mittens" NOT "Funky talks to the CSM"
It IS funny to hear him preening lol They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Tuggboat
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:41:00 -
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I don't understand why goons are unhappy? Is Russia about to overpower them? Are they about to lose Tech? Why would they threaten to burn down CCP? Maybe supercaps? Not being Nerfed in time. Are there not enough resources available to Nerf their competition in time to avoid a retreat to empire? What could be so serious? |
P42ALPHA
Three 6 MaFiA KRYSIS.
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:45:00 -
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If everyone is getting the gas, Ill get the match's. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:45:00 -
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oh god I agree with Mittens
"Lifetime subs is a horrible idea"
Is it funny to anyone else how often you hear the CSM say "CCP are chill dudes"
lol "were not here for specific stuff. We just say this is broke, fix it" Every time Mittens says "flying in space" I wanna punch a baby. Though it would make a great drinking game. lol the baby in the background of the guy asking the questions They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Tiven loves Tansien
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:46:00 -
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Kyoko Sakoda wrote:Not going to side with anyone in the debate, just going to say:
Pro journalism = linking to a source that has historically been suspected of keylogging.
lolVeto
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Tuggboat
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:56:00 -
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Yes I do recall sometime after looking at a linked post that my AV was down and my firewall was disabled. LOL Forget the 2 Trojans names. Oh BZUB and BIFROST?
TOR has a nice portable package with Firefox that is portable, you can put it on a usb stick to browse any eve/goon related links.
TOR BUndle
NOscript is a real nice addition also. You really need a firewall that can give you quick shutdown and a quick display of your ports, connections and processes also if you want to play with gasoline.
NOSCRIPT firefox addon
a good firewall, made by Russians
Play with fire, you get burnt. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:56:00 -
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OMG the CSM saying the game is dying O.o
the sky really IS falling They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Sha Dar
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:01:00 -
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I don't see the actual declaration yet, just the shot across the bow, and the inference that there must be change.
When the declaration does come, (and with the current ccp it probably will), I expect high sec to be awash with wrecks and tears on a constant basis.
Anything less just won't do the job.
In the meantime, the rest of CSM should step up and ALL of them release a joint (agreed) statement, so they are seen to be singing from the same sheet. The purpose of life is not to make a living, but to make a difference... |
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Large Collidable Object
morons. Interstellar Hobos
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:04:00 -
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Matches and gasoline are nothing to play with, mkay kids?
But yeah - not sure why goons are getting mad now either - there is no imminent threat, SCs will get nerfed to oblivion, so there is no future threat to their sov, PL is leaving the north, abandoning their tech moons and bots don't care if they have new ships to fly anyway...
Odd timing. morons are recruiting. You know who you are! |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:08:00 -
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I was just listening to that radio show. It sounds like this Mitanni guy is trying to win back some people he may have angered? Personally, I don't entirely agree with his opinion. He did say something along the lines of Nullsec being short on ISK and although I haven't dedicated a huge amount of time to Null, one would think this is where most of the ISK is.
And as far as "dying." I saw a large amount of people that disagreed.
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:11:00 -
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Meryl SinGarda wrote:I was just listening to that radio show. It sounds like this Mitanni guy is trying to win back some people he may have angered? Personally, I don't entirely agree with his opinion. He did say something along the lines of Nullsec being short on ISK and although I haven't dedicated a huge amount of time to Null, one would think this is where most of the ISK is.
And as far as "dying." I saw a large amount of people that disagreed.
yeah its kinda laughable to say theres no isk in null
I wanna send an email as ask if high sec or low sec are gonna get love but I dont know the email lol
lol csm wasnt consulted on the 13 plex thing
HUGE SURPRISE there They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:20:00 -
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Kyoko Sakoda wrote:Not going to side with anyone in the debate, just going to say:
Pro journalism = linking to a source that has historically been suspected of keylogging.
I'm sorry but I am unaware of such claims I'm afraid. But then again, I'm no journalist |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:21:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote:
It IS funny, Mittens "doesnt speak for the CSM" but none of the other CSM are talking MORE funny is the title of the window. "Funky talks to Mittens" NOT "Funky talks to the CSM"
Im actually wrong in that theyre all talking which is interesting cause in these these things mittens usually does all the talking
"if the pilots are claustrophobic an they hate leaving their pods, WHAT ARE WE WiS?????" QFT
lol "what are you guys gonna do other than create negative press for EVE?"
Mittens: "a lotta ppl have ******** ideas what to do when youre in power" - He says such as resigning or breaking the NDA - so no releasing the minutes or Mittens actually rebelling guys
and no, he's not gonna retire cause "that would be stupid" lol
Gotta take another shot, Mittens said AGAIN "farmville in space" and "we need stuff to do not to wear" man can he come up with his own material? They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:50:00 -
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Oh man... WE arent gonna retire or unsub cause that would be stupid for us but what YOU can do is unsub.
Great... Mittens is lining up level 4 missions in highsec directly in his sights.
Fairly obvious how he feels about Highsec
"games should dot be developed in a democratic direction" - Mittani
funny given how he got where he is
Points to the interviewer for pointing this out by the way. He said "isnt the CSM crowdsourcing?" when The Mittani was saying how bad crowdsourcing is lol They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Kyoko Sakoda
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:51:00 -
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Tiven loves Tansien wrote:
Post with main, etc. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:56:00 -
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"I dont think doing what the mob wants is a good idea, but you throw them a bit of cake now and again"
nice... They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Dustin Roac
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:58:00 -
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well that's about it for whatever hopeful views of the csm I had. (after listening to the radio broadcast)
They are just a tool for CCP to use, nothing else. Always have been. Good intentions, but expectations and self flattery that has spawned from them defeat it's purpose.
And what I find hilarious are the ones that claim they have 'connections' and pound concrete to the media over these issues.
NO csm, those media outlets have connections with you because they will always try to get you to talk for as you said, website hits. They don't care a bit about you otherwise, or CCP and EVE for that matter.
The EGO that has grown of this group, to think that they have an ability to call for the player base to do something and the crowds will listen and follow, is just unbelievable. The preaching done by mittens and the lot thinking they know what's best for the whole of EVE makes me gag, CCP just needs to yank the CSM program and wipe it's hands of it. |
Large Collidable Object
morons. Interstellar Hobos
161
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Posted - 2011.09.07 00:01:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote: "games should dot be developed in a democratic direction" - Mittani
funny given how he got where he is
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He ordered goons to vote for him? morons are recruiting. You know who you are! |
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