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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:00:00 -
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This is reposted from the soon to be frozen old forums (for old posts see that thread)
Kugu thread post bottom part
Gaming Media Reports:
Edge Eurogamer PCgamer GamerZone Rock Paper Shotgun GameSpy EVENews24 Interview with The Mittani Ten Ton Hammer MaximumPC (new)
Other relevant links:
Trebor: Minutes of the Scandal of the Minutes Seleene: Reality Check (new) EVE Radio: Dissecting CCP podcasts (new) MMORPG.COM - Discussion thread (new)
The op will be updated as necessary. |
Prencleeve Grothsmore
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:06:00 -
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I've heard about this. CPP should scrap the development of Incarna and the NEX store. This move would give CPP a huge amount of publicity and give them time to work on the spaceship elements of Eve. I really hope CPP lose this war. Death to the Communists! |
Myxx
Atropos Group
43
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:07:00 -
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this needs to be kept on the front page. |
Barakkus
668
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:11:00 -
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If you think the CSM is anything more than a PR tool for CCP, you're deluded. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
265
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:11:00 -
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Nothing will happen until CCP gets hit in the wallet, as that is the only thing the MBA's currently running things seem to understand. 73,500 AUR ($367.5) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
Drifterin Thedark
1
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:11:00 -
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There is no doubt in my mind anymore. Mittani was the one who leaked that internal CCP newsletter. |
Myxx
Atropos Group
43
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:23:00 -
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Wondering what mittens is going to loudly say... I'm pretty much fine with starting a large bonfire with EVE at this point. |
Drakesh
Team Lang
1
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:42:00 -
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Looking forward to bumfires in the near future... |
Grateler
The People's Liberation Front of Offugen
0
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:46:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:If you think the CSM is anything more than a PR tool for CCP, you're deluded.
Bearing in mind current events its not a very good PR tool. |
Tiven loves Tansien
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
254
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Posted - 2011.09.06 16:47:00 -
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Drifterin Thedark wrote:There is no doubt in my mind anymore. Mittani was the one who leaked that internal CCP newsletter.
Where did he find it. |
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space gator
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
3
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Posted - 2011.09.06 17:49:00 -
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If interested, Eve Radio will be hosting an interview with Mittens tonight at 22:00 GMT:
http://www.eve-radio.com/news-compendium/eve-radio/1226-funky-speaks-to-mittens |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.06 17:52:00 -
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Drifterin Thedark wrote:There is no doubt in my mind anymore. Mittani was the one who leaked that internal CCP newsletter.
If that was true he'd have been kicked off the CSM and banned in half a heartbeat. Likely his name would still be filtered here like **********'s was on the old forums
and STILL IS wow! Way to hold a grudge CCP They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Kengutsi Akira
GloboTech Industries
11
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Posted - 2011.09.06 17:54:00 -
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reposted from old forums
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Thornat wrote: who the f do you think you are? your nothing more then a fecking muppet playing a game. This is what you get when power rises to someones head.
A muppet playing a game that made the headline of every major game publication on the internet today
Funny thing about that... "every news publication" didnt find his post till hours after he made it then they all seem to have found it and quoted it verbatim like it was an interview. Almost like they emailed the link. An in that case, I dont give him any credit for shoving his posts down the "news" ppl's throats.
yeah...no |
Charles37
Ichiban Industries
8
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Posted - 2011.09.06 17:54:00 -
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If this is what it takes to try and get development back on track to something that the playerbase actually wants, then I'll be doing what I can to support these efforts. As I'm not a frequent forum warrior here or elsewhere on the various hangouts, I discovered this via Rock, Paper, Shotgun, but it will be the perfect way to break in the new forums. |
Tikera Tissant
5
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Posted - 2011.09.06 18:00:00 -
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To be honest, I think this expansion and all its updates are about CCP trying to improve the community aspect of the game, instead of just concentrating about making big things go BOOM.
This can (or might not, depends on the implementation) bring more players into the game who are more into the social aspect vs the killing/ganking/mining/building aspects of the game.
I guess after that, they will go back to the normal program of things, making new ships or hopefully improving the game engine.
That is my take on the subject. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.06 18:03:00 -
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Tikera Tissant wrote:
This can bring more players into the game who are more into the social aspect vs the entire game.
fixed that for you
They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Prince Kobol
27
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Posted - 2011.09.06 18:13:00 -
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People People People
CCP DO NOT CARE
The ONLY thing that will make the suits at CCP take any notice is people cancelling there accounts and ONLY then if the income from subscriptions and the purchases of PLEX for the use of adding game time continually fall over a period of time.
You can make as many posts as you like on the forums, Alexander 'The Mittani' Gianturco can have his delusions of grandeur and it will NOT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE
You want change, then do the following
1. Go to https://secure.eveonline.com/
2. Log In
3. Click On Game Time
4. Click on Cancel Subscription
5. Give Reason
6. Click on Cancel Subscription
or if you pay via plex - STOP adding game time.
If enough people do this then the suits at CCP might, just might sit up, take the heads out of the arse and take notice but don;t hold your breath |
Tikera Tissant
5
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Posted - 2011.09.06 18:17:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote:Tikera Tissant wrote:
This can bring more players into the game who are more into the social aspect vs the entire game.
fixed that for you
If the game was just all about killing people, by this type barely half the people would have play the game. Without the social part, there game would have died a long time ago. |
Jashmyne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.09.06 18:33:00 -
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Tikera Tissant wrote:To be honest, I think this expansion and all its updates are about CCP trying to improve the community aspect of the game, instead of just concentrating about making big things go BOOM.
This can (or might not, depends on the implementation) bring more players into the game who are more into the social aspect vs the killing/ganking/mining/building aspects of the game.
I guess after that, they will go back to the normal program of things, making new ships or hopefully improving the game engine.
That is my take on the subject. I think so. Have to remember that we don't have the entire Incarna expansion and it won't until the stations are finally unlocked and we can actually meet other people. I can understand that it's a big task to do but I must be surprised by the overall slow speed of CCP. I saw the original timeline that suggested that the other CQs would be released in august but now it looks like it will be released this winter. I would rather want them to put all their efforts into completing Incarna since that is what alot of people are actually waiting for. And I'm not talking about current eve players as the subject is rather divided on the issue but I mean outside gamers, RPers who want nothing more then to dig into this world but have felt disconnected due the fact that you were a ship before and had no connection to that odd character that you had to make at the start. They are eagerly looking forward to Incarna but they do not want to be stuck in a single CQ alone.
I can understand that players here that aren't intersted in CQ or the Incarna expansion in general and that's fair. This game has something for everyone and I can understand that some groups feel neglected. But you have to understand that Incarna isn't going away, they won't cancel it or remove it. Only way is forward with completing it. Once the package is in place, they can do a expansion pack that focus entirely on the space part. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
37
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Posted - 2011.09.06 18:40:00 -
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tbh the way I see things is:
adding Incarna = ok adding Incarna in deterrent of the rest of the other features = not ok
still think that if Incarna was totally optional from the onset (no, the makeshift "temporary" solution in the options IS NOT ok) like CCP promised, the community whiplash would be far less. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
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Zangorus
Targeted Aggression
127
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Posted - 2011.09.06 18:42:00 -
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Give me monocle or i quit EVE! Like my comment and recieve 1 million isk ingame! |
Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2011.09.06 18:42:00 -
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Jashmyne wrote:[quote=Tikera Tissant]
I can understand that players here that aren't intersted in CQ or the Incarna expansion in general and that's fair. This game has something for everyone and I can understand that some groups feel neglected. But you have to understand that Incarna isn't going away, they won't cancel it or remove it. Only way is forward with completing it. Once the package is in place, they can do a expansion pack that focus entirely on the space part.
Although I'm a "default CQ" and "no Hangar" hater, I am also a WiS enthusiast, so I agree. While I agree they do need to re-concentrate on FiS as soon as possible, they also need to finish what they started with Incarna before they do that.
It needs to go multiplayer, even if it's just rudimentary for the moment, like CQ. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
414
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Posted - 2011.09.06 18:43:00 -
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This has been unusual. I posted my comments on goonfleet.com and reposted them on Kugu because anything I write is automatically reposted on the GSF-specific Kugu thread within minutes. I had expected to have the CSM spotlight FiS Neglect in about a week, and then do a bunch of grinding work to try to get the media to pay attention to the spotlight.
Instead, my alliance-only statement has created an increasing media buzz all by itself without any effort on my part. I can only take from this that the message itself is something that resonates with most of the playerbase and those who follow EVE.
Looks like we just made Gamespy, too. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.06 18:47:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:People People People CCP DO NOT CARE The ONLY thing that will make the suits at CCP take any notice is people cancelling there accounts and ONLY then if the income from subscriptions and the purchases of PLEX for the use of adding game time continually fall over a period of time. You can make as many posts as you like on the forums, Alexander 'The Mittani' Gianturco can have his delusions of grandeur and it will NOT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCEYou want change, then do the following 1. Go to https://secure.eveonline.com/2. Log In 3. Click On Game Time 4. Click on Cancel Subscription 5. Give Reason 6. Click on Cancel Subscription or if you pay via plex - STOP adding game time. If enough people do this then the suits at CCP might, just might sit up, take the heads out of the arse and take notice but don;t hold your breath
which is why im starting to think the idea that they WANT the whiners to quit so they can put pay 2 win into the game and start over with a fresh new group who dont know better an wont ***** about it
Tikera Tissant wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Tikera Tissant wrote:
This can bring more players into the game who are more into the social aspect vs the entire game.
fixed that for you If the game was just all about killing people, by this type barely half the people would have play the game. Without the social part, there game would have died a long time ago.
didnt know you put only killing. I could have sworn you typed "killing/ganking/mining/building" well if you didnt mean the other two whyd you put them in?
Dunno about you but I dont log in to chat, I log in to mine/build/rat/anomaly/pvp. the social thing is an afterthought They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.06 18:49:00 -
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oops They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
igRaVeN
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
6
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Posted - 2011.09.06 18:54:00 -
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Yay... Mittani supports half-baked new content - Not defined gameplay. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.06 18:55:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:People People People CCP DO NOT CARE The ONLY thing that will make the suits at CCP take any notice is people cancelling there accounts and ONLY then if the income from subscriptions and the purchases of PLEX for the use of adding game time continually fall over a period of time. You can make as many posts as you like on the forums, Alexander 'The Mittani' Gianturco can have his delusions of grandeur and it will NOT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCEYou want change, then do the following 1. Go to https://secure.eveonline.com/2. Log In 3. Click On Game Time 4. Click on Cancel Subscription 5. Give Reason 6. Click on Cancel Subscription or if you pay via plex - STOP adding game time. If enough people do this then the suits at CCP might, just might sit up, take the heads out of the arse and take notice but don;t hold your breath
which is why im starting to think the idea that they WANT the whiners to quit so they can put pay 2 win into the game and start over with a fresh new group who dont know better an wont ***** about it
Tikera Tissant wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Tikera Tissant wrote:
This can bring more players into the game who are more into the social aspect vs the entire game.
fixed that for you If the game was just all about killing people, by this type barely half the people would have play the game. Without the social part, there game would have died a long time ago.
didnt know you put only killing. I could have sworn you typed "killing/ganking/mining/building" well if you didnt mean the other two whyd you put them in?
Dunno about you but I dont log in to chat, I log in to mine/build/rat/anomaly/pvp. the social thing is an afterthought
The Mittani wrote:This has been unusual. I posted my comments on goonfleet.com and reposted them on Kugu because anything I write is automatically reposted on the GSF-specific Kugu thread within minutes. I had expected to have the CSM spotlight FiS Neglect in about a week, and then do a bunch of grinding work to try to get the media to pay attention to the spotlight. Instead, my alliance-only statement has created an increasing media buzz all by itself without any effort on my part. I can only take from this that the message itself is something that resonates with most of the playerbase and those who follow EVE. Looks like we just made Gamespy, too.
yeah.... I TOTALLY buy that all the "news" ppl just happened to find your blog on kug's place all at the same time. yup. No sarcasm here
dunno what happened to my posts but thats all screwed up They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate BricK sQuAD.
0
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Posted - 2011.09.06 18:58:00 -
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Could you guys at least put off any protests until I get home from work? I need to buy some POS fuel in Jita and would like to be able to log my alt in.
kthxbai |
Kengutsi Akira
GloboTech Industries
11
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:01:00 -
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igRaVeN wrote:Yay... Mittani supports half-baked new content - Not defined gameplay.
Mittani? Liking things that will **** off players, making them leave, and further damaging the game? I refuse to believe such behavior would come from a Goon.
Hey Mittens, why not, since you CSM guys have all that pull an all get them to remove high sec an make it all 0.0? Then youll for sure drive off anyone who doesnt want to play YOUR game since all Goons are about is destroying OUR game that is. Then you CSM guys will have even more 0.0 to get down on since its so apparent thats all you all care about is 0.0.
Trollery aside. There should be people from all parts of the game that get elected to this thing. Someone thats in a NCP corp, another thats a hi sec missioner, a low sec pirate, high sec miner, etc. It shouldnt be all 0.0 guys cause you get what we're getting now. Ppl that dont give a rats ass about anything but 0.0 and ruining the game for high sec ppl. |
Esan Vartesa
Khanid Trade Syndicate
28
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:03:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:People People People CCP DO NOT CARE The ONLY thing that will make the suits at CCP take any notice is people cancelling there accounts and ONLY then if the income from subscriptions and the purchases of PLEX for the use of adding game time continually fall over a period of time. You can make as many posts as you like on the forums, Alexander 'The Mittani' Gianturco can have his delusions of grandeur and it will NOT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCEYou want change, then do the following 1. Go to https://secure.eveonline.com/2. Log In 3. Click On Game Time 4. Click on Cancel Subscription 5. Give Reason 6. Click on Cancel Subscription or if you pay via plex - STOP adding game time. If enough people do this then the suits at CCP might, just might sit up, take the heads out of the arse and take notice but don;t hold your breath
Have you not considered the remote possibility that this effort is designed to cause large numbers of people to do just that? |
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Prince Kobol
27
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:12:00 -
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If that was the case that this is all a deliberate scheme to make people move then were all f**ked |
Avon
Versatech Co. Raiden.
50
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:22:00 -
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I would totally support Mittens and his drones voting with their feet and quitting Eve until CCP cave in.
Anything less is just :words: and sabre rattling.
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:22:00 -
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Esan Vartesa wrote:
Have you not considered the remote possibility that this effort is designed to cause large numbers of people to do just that?
Richard Hammond II wrote:
which is why im starting to think the idea that they WANT the whiners to quit so they can put pay 2 win into the game and start over with a fresh new group who dont know better an wont ***** about it
I believe I did, up there lol
They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
21
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:24:00 -
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Op updated. Thank you. |
Monger Man
D.S.A.
1
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:29:00 -
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I've seriously considered canceling my sub, not as a screw this game I'm leaving but more as a money speaks louder than words. I've been back and forth on if I'm going to do it.
I fully support the PR war, and if that fails. Then perhaps its time to unsub. |
Kha'rani
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:36:00 -
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Monger Man wrote:I've seriously considered canceling my sub, not as a screw this game I'm leaving but more as a money speaks louder than words. I've been back and forth on if I'm going to do it.
I fully support the PR war, and if that fails. Then perhaps its time to unsub.
Or constantly flood Jita until they kick everyone. This way we get some satisfaction AND the attention that is needed. I vote to constantly flood Jita, or atleast since 9-11 is just around the corner, an attack on Jita then. And feel free to send the love/hate from the US. |
babymuncho
babymuncho Corp
0
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:38:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:If you think the CSM is anything more than a PR tool for CCP, you're deluded.
Action or it's true. |
Trainwreck McGee
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:38:00 -
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INTERNET ******* SPACESHIPS!! |
Esan Vartesa
Khanid Trade Syndicate
28
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:41:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:If that was the case that this is all a deliberate scheme to make people move then were all f**ked
Quite the contrary. A negative media blitz may be just the thing Eve needs for long-term survival.
What we have here is a failure to communicate. As Mittens has said, upper management at CCP hasn't been listening. Forum posting can be ignored. Protests at monuments can be ignored. But get the media, gaming and non, reporting on this battle, and CCP simply can't ignore it any longer.
He's on to something here. CCP is terrible at communication. Really, really terrible. They're vulnerable to exactly this kind of tactic. Get news sites talking about this, where all the really juicy information is coming from players and the CSM (while CCP replies with typically boring PR responses) and you have an opportunity to really shape public perception about the game and the company.
The idea here is to force their hand. Make it so that they risk irreparable damage unless they do an about face and start developing Eve Online the way the vast majority of players would prefer. I know lots of people like to crap on the CSM, but creating that body was truly the worst move CCP ever made, at least from their point of view. They gave players the ability to have a legitimate voice in the media, a go-to for stories like the one we're now seeing circulate.
Of course the intention was for the CSM to be a tool for managing players, that's obvious. But Mittens understands that it could be something else entirely, and we're starting to see the realization of that.
Hopefully, CCP sees it too. |
Esan Vartesa
Khanid Trade Syndicate
28
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Posted - 2011.09.06 19:43:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote:Esan Vartesa wrote:
Have you not considered the remote possibility that this effort is designed to cause large numbers of people to do just that?
Richard Hammond II wrote:
which is why im starting to think the idea that they WANT the whiners to quit so they can put pay 2 win into the game and start over with a fresh new group who dont know better an wont ***** about it
I believe I did, up there lol
You're confused.
I'm talking about Mittens' effort to turn up the heat.
You're talking about CCP's imagined effort to get rid of paying customers. |
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Avon
Versatech Co. Raiden.
50
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:06:00 -
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Esan Vartesa wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:If that was the case that this is all a deliberate scheme to make people move then were all f**ked Quite the contrary. A negative media blitz may be just the thing Eve needs for long-term survival. What we have here is a failure to communicate. As Mittens has said, upper management at CCP hasn't been listening. Forum posting can be ignored. Protests at monuments can be ignored. But get the media, gaming and non, reporting on this battle, and CCP simply can't ignore it any longer. He's on to something here. CCP is terrible at communication. Really, really terrible. They're vulnerable to exactly this kind of tactic. Get news sites talking about this, where all the really juicy information is coming from players and the CSM (while CCP replies with typically boring PR responses) and you have an opportunity to really shape public perception about the game and the company. The idea here is to force their hand. Make it so that they risk irreparable damage unless they do an about face and start developing Eve Online the way the vast majority of players would prefer. I know lots of people like to crap on the CSM, but creating that body was truly the worst move CCP ever made, at least from their point of view. They gave players the ability to have a legitimate voice in the media, a go-to for stories like the one we're now seeing circulate. Of course the intention was for the CSM to be a tool for managing players, that's obvious. But Mittens understands that it could be something else entirely, and we're starting to see the realization of that. Hopefully, CCP sees it too.
CCP just need to churn out endless Mittens quotes where he obsequiosly sings their praise. Show him up as the sycophant he really is. He had his chance to make his objections, but instead he posted in support of CCP.
If he wants to make a real stand he should resign from the CSM in disgust and un-sub his account.
But he won't, because he is more interested in his e-fame than he is in the future of Eve.
He will claim that he must stay in place and fight the good fight from the inside, but the truth is that he is all mouth and no trousers ... and CCP knows it too.
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
414
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:18:00 -
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i see you know about as much about politics and influence today as you did when you were in bob, avon~
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E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
78
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:25:00 -
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Great!
FIS needs more resources.CCP needs to understand that, the FIS portion of the game has stagnated and active player numbers support that conclusion.
Didn't vote for mittens(did vote for other reps who got in) but he seems to want to improve EvE and is willing to do what he thinks is best for the game...
Can't fault him for that...
so quit the boo hoo CSM are just players BS....
we all want FIS to be better and CCP is not allocating enough resources to FIS...simple So....ccp are you paying attention? or will we get a new set of boots?
Mittens has a way with words. we do need more to do, not more to wear. Players feel like ccp is sacrificing the stuff to do for the stuff to wear and it should be addressed.
Hope the big wigs at CCP take note, also GJ to the devs who are working on FIS! Do wish you had a bit more QA and we had the new IO but almost as though you lack resources..... |
Jita Alt666
159
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:32:00 -
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Avon wrote: the truth is that he is all mouth and no trousers ...
Bob dude insulting a Goon by insinuating he is wearing no pants... |
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
78
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:35:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Avon wrote: the truth is that he is all mouth and no trousers ...
Bob dude insulting a Goon by insinuating he is wearing no pants...
Pants? explains the looks at the office. |
Barakkus
668
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:47:00 -
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Tikera Tissant wrote:To be honest, I think this expansion and all its updates are about CCP trying to improve the community aspect of the game, instead of just concentrating about making big things go BOOM.
The whole point of EVE in some way or another relates back to blowing **** up.
The problem with this game is too many people unwilling to take risks that they perceive as large, the whole perception of what is a risk needs to be shaped so people are more willing to fleet with random people and get to know them. I've met a ton of people just from incursioning, which lead to me getting in with another group of people that blow **** up on roams. Too many people are afraid of "the other player" at the moment, which stifles the "community" aspect.
Don't think there's much of a way around it though, it's a personal thing, I don't think mechanics, or an expansion of walking around seeing avatars is going to over come the innate fear of losing isk. |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
31
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:48:00 -
[47] - Quote
I'm actually interested in where this goes.
Mittens at first clashed with the players by writing things like "In Defense of Incarna" and appearing to be a sycophant for ccp by telling players to ignore those leaked memos, and that they don't mean a thing.
Now he is actually making points players have been clamoring about. I'm glad to see it.
Why the change?
Is it too little too late?
In any event I'm glad to see it. Hopefully CCP will start assigning some resources to FIS. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
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daisy cutta
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:50:00 -
[48] - Quote
This is a high risk by mittani
He is the chair of the CSM, I hope that all the CSM were aware of the post on the Goons forums before this went so public
This could backfire and do alot of damage with the CSM and CCP relations
Im hoping that this isnt one guy boosting his ego, cos if it is then I feel that his role as chair of the CSM could be short lived
However, if it has full CSM support, then I wish it well as I agree that we want something new to do and not to wear
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Barakkus
668
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:53:00 -
[49] - Quote
wtf is a FIS? |
KaarBaak
17
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Posted - 2011.09.06 20:56:00 -
[50] - Quote
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the tendency or the certainty of corruption by authority."
----Lord Acton,in a letter to Mandell Creighton (5 April 1887), published in Historical Essays and Studies (1907)
Hilmar and the Chairman have more in common than not.
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Bilboz
Hetzer-Leopard Ltd
0
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Posted - 2011.09.06 21:02:00 -
[51] - Quote
IT is this simple CCP trying to redact-edit the transcripts of meetings to keep things from the players was a dumbass'd idea.If[ CCP wants to close the CSM grow a pair and stay the program has run its course and is over. |
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
78
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Posted - 2011.09.06 21:06:00 -
[52] - Quote
FIS= flying in Space. it is how ccp refrences the eve portion of eve. as opposed to WIS=walking station. |
Barakkus
668
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Posted - 2011.09.06 21:07:00 -
[53] - Quote
E man Industries wrote:FIS= flying in Space. it is how ccp refrences the eve portion of eve. as opposed to WIS=walking station.
Thanks, I couldn't figure out if it was fighting in stations, or ******* in stations or fail in space or what...lol |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.06 21:08:00 -
[54] - Quote
Esan Vartesa wrote:
You're confused.
I'm talking about Mittens' effort to turn up the heat.
You're talking about CCP's imagined effort to get rid of paying customers.
lol your arguments just as imagined as mine is
Man, you believe anything Mittens says an youre more deluded than you think I am especially if you think he's doing this FOR EVE and not his Epeen
FiS shouldnt be a PORTION of the game is IS THE GAME and its sad that CCP even has players differentiating that now They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce Masters of Flying Objects
26
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Posted - 2011.09.06 21:12:00 -
[55] - Quote
eve-radio wil have a broadcast with the CSM at 2200 eve time tonight. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.06 21:14:00 -
[56] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:[quote=Tikera Tissant]
The problem with this game is too many people unwilling to take risks that they perceive as large,
When all else fails, blame it on the carebears
They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Morgals
Sturmgrenadier Inc Nulli Secunda
1
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Posted - 2011.09.06 21:17:00 -
[57] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:[quote=Esan Vartesa] FiS shouldnt be a PORTION of the game is IS THE GAME
THIS
Everyhting else should support FIS and if it grows great but is should not take away from FIS. |
Garheade
Aideron Robotics
5
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Posted - 2011.09.06 21:36:00 -
[58] - Quote
Wow, all this posting reminds me of a certain "Open Letter" by another CSM. One that The Mittani claimed he would never do... Such a shame. |
Barakkus
668
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Posted - 2011.09.06 21:37:00 -
[59] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:Barakkus wrote:[quote=Tikera Tissant]
The problem with this game is too many people unwilling to take risks that they perceive as large, When all else fails, blame it on the carebears
Try reading the rest of the post. |
Avon
Versatech Co. Raiden.
50
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Posted - 2011.09.06 21:40:00 -
[60] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:i see you know about as much about politics and influence today as you did when you were in bob, avon~
And yet you posted...
^Influence^ |
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Cipher Jones
36
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Posted - 2011.09.06 21:56:00 -
[61] - Quote
Morgals wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:[quote=Esan Vartesa] FiS shouldnt be a PORTION of the game is IS THE GAME
THIS Everyhting else should support FIS and if it grows great but is should not take away from FIS.
Lets just take a look at this...
People on the forums consider CCP using resources for anything but FiS "taking away" from FiS. Therefore it is not possible to do what you are asking according to the standard set forth by the "community".
In reality what went down is something like CCP was making money, they decided to diversify, took out a loan, and started to develop other things. People complain that all 600 employees aren't working on FiS, but literally hundreds of them were never even hired for it.
Also,
Quote: What we got here is... failure to communicate.
Misquoting the movie Cool Hand Luke is a deplorable abomination.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
99
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Posted - 2011.09.06 21:57:00 -
[62] - Quote
Why did this thread have to come here?
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:04:00 -
[63] - Quote
Meryl SinGarda wrote:Why did this thread have to come here? Pubbies love talking about Mittens. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:07:00 -
[64] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:
Misquoting the movie Cool Hand Luke is a deplorable abomination.
Or correctly quoting a Guns N Roses song They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Oglyn
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:07:00 -
[65] - Quote
Ladie Scarlet wrote:Meryl SinGarda wrote:Why did this thread have to come here? Pubbies love laughing at Mittens.
FYP
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Barakkus
668
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:09:00 -
[66] - Quote
Why are you guys so lazy about typing ****? Stop with the acronyms already!!! |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:13:00 -
[67] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:Why are you guys so lazy about typing ****? Stop with the acronyms already!!!
ya gtfo with that **** They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Sofia Bellard
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:13:00 -
[68] - Quote
Yet another The Mittani Show I will happily miss. He is an attention ***** yes? Will the show be broadcast in green? |
Sister Bliss
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:21:00 -
[69] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:People complain that all 600 employees aren't working on FiS, but literally hundreds of them were never even hired for it.
If you were to put Incarna to one side for arguments sake and look at what other resources CCP had devoted to Eve you would find something like the following:
Eve Development: Game Design/Ship Balance - CCP Tallest (1 person) Team BFF (optimisation, the war on lag, etc.) - 5 people?
Eve Development (Artwork) New Turrets / New Ship Rendering - 5 people? Nebulae - 5 people?
You then have other stuff like Carbon which is really architecture and software frameworks which are being invested in to use in all their games products. No idea how many are working on this, clearly will be some benefit to Eve but primary aim is for software reuse with other projects.
So with the above, you have 6 people working on core Eve development and about 10 artists working on making broken **** look pretty. That's 16 people, and even then I am not 100% sure 10 artitsts is actually the case. No-one is asking or demanding that CCP divert 100% of their resources to Eve. 50% would be fantastic, 10% would be amazing. At the moment it is more like 2%.
It is no wonder that ridiculously simple balancing changes which would take 1 developer 2 days to implement are put into a work stack 5 years deep.
Regretablly, even if CCP were to realise at this exact moment their folly, it would take 1.5 to 2 years to actually deliver anything of substance to do anything about it that wasn't purely lip service. |
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
78
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:26:00 -
[70] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Morgals wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:[quote=Esan Vartesa] FiS shouldnt be a PORTION of the game is IS THE GAME
THIS Everyhting else should support FIS and if it grows great but is should not take away from FIS. Lets just take a look at this... People on the forums consider CCP using resources for anything but FiS "taking away" from FiS. Therefore it is not possible to do what you are asking according to the standard set forth by the "community". In reality what went down is something like CCP was making money, they decided to diversify, took out a loan, and started to develop other things. People complain that all 600 employees aren't working on FiS, but literally hundreds of them were never even hired for it.
Oh yess CCP can diversify and it is wise to do so. But they should not take away or fail to maintain development on eve. The perception is that FIS is suffering to support these other efforts. Between vampires, dust, and incarna development of FIS has been reduced to a fraction of what it should be to maintain EvE's required pace of development.
For example CCP's art team is noted as a bottle neck for Effects, trails, pos revamp, better icons, new ships, and many other facets of eve. We got a break down of what the Art teams allocations are and only a tiny fraction of that team is working on EvE at all and most of them are working on incarna. So we get little to no development on the EvE portion. This is revealed in the last CSM meetings and other official publications. There is also the older break down of what teams are owrking on pre-incarna and actualy space stuff had very few resources allocated to it. There is no indication that this has changed other than team BFF. And BFF has been amazing for so few people.
EvE needs these resources to grow or it will stagnate and die. the dev's working on EvE are great but they need more of them to actually do the work required and the big wigs keep prioritizing non FIS items despite the fact that most of use play EvE for space ships... |
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Kyoko Sakoda
Veto. Veto Corp
2
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:28:00 -
[71] - Quote
Not going to side with anyone in the debate, just going to say:
Pro journalism = linking to a source that has historically been suspected of keylogging. |
Trig Onami
Onami Corporation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:30:00 -
[72] - Quote
"The Mutiny" should save up for return airfare on his next trip to Iceland. That is all. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:30:00 -
[73] - Quote
lol "there came a time when we realized we were being seen as apologists"
geeeee YOU THINK Mittens? "In defense of Arcana" lol
"we NOW have something to crystalize people that theres something wrong with EVE"
....yet nothing up till now has been this lol
It IS funny, Mittens "doesnt speak for the CSM" but none of the other CSM are talking MORE funny is the title of the window. "Funky talks to Mittens" NOT "Funky talks to the CSM"
It IS funny to hear him preening lol They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Tuggboat
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:41:00 -
[74] - Quote
I don't understand why goons are unhappy? Is Russia about to overpower them? Are they about to lose Tech? Why would they threaten to burn down CCP? Maybe supercaps? Not being Nerfed in time. Are there not enough resources available to Nerf their competition in time to avoid a retreat to empire? What could be so serious? |
P42ALPHA
Three 6 MaFiA KRYSIS.
6
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:45:00 -
[75] - Quote
If everyone is getting the gas, Ill get the match's. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:45:00 -
[76] - Quote
oh god I agree with Mittens
"Lifetime subs is a horrible idea"
Is it funny to anyone else how often you hear the CSM say "CCP are chill dudes"
lol "were not here for specific stuff. We just say this is broke, fix it" Every time Mittens says "flying in space" I wanna punch a baby. Though it would make a great drinking game. lol the baby in the background of the guy asking the questions They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Tiven loves Tansien
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
254
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:46:00 -
[77] - Quote
Kyoko Sakoda wrote:Not going to side with anyone in the debate, just going to say:
Pro journalism = linking to a source that has historically been suspected of keylogging.
lolVeto
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Tuggboat
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:56:00 -
[78] - Quote
Yes I do recall sometime after looking at a linked post that my AV was down and my firewall was disabled. LOL Forget the 2 Trojans names. Oh BZUB and BIFROST?
TOR has a nice portable package with Firefox that is portable, you can put it on a usb stick to browse any eve/goon related links.
TOR BUndle
NOscript is a real nice addition also. You really need a firewall that can give you quick shutdown and a quick display of your ports, connections and processes also if you want to play with gasoline.
NOSCRIPT firefox addon
a good firewall, made by Russians
Play with fire, you get burnt. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.06 22:56:00 -
[79] - Quote
OMG the CSM saying the game is dying O.o
the sky really IS falling They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Sha Dar
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
2
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:01:00 -
[80] - Quote
I don't see the actual declaration yet, just the shot across the bow, and the inference that there must be change.
When the declaration does come, (and with the current ccp it probably will), I expect high sec to be awash with wrecks and tears on a constant basis.
Anything less just won't do the job.
In the meantime, the rest of CSM should step up and ALL of them release a joint (agreed) statement, so they are seen to be singing from the same sheet. The purpose of life is not to make a living, but to make a difference... |
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Large Collidable Object
morons. Interstellar Hobos
161
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:04:00 -
[81] - Quote
Matches and gasoline are nothing to play with, mkay kids?
But yeah - not sure why goons are getting mad now either - there is no imminent threat, SCs will get nerfed to oblivion, so there is no future threat to their sov, PL is leaving the north, abandoning their tech moons and bots don't care if they have new ships to fly anyway...
Odd timing. morons are recruiting. You know who you are! |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
99
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:08:00 -
[82] - Quote
I was just listening to that radio show. It sounds like this Mitanni guy is trying to win back some people he may have angered? Personally, I don't entirely agree with his opinion. He did say something along the lines of Nullsec being short on ISK and although I haven't dedicated a huge amount of time to Null, one would think this is where most of the ISK is.
And as far as "dying." I saw a large amount of people that disagreed.
Fly Safe, Die Hard |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:11:00 -
[83] - Quote
Meryl SinGarda wrote:I was just listening to that radio show. It sounds like this Mitanni guy is trying to win back some people he may have angered? Personally, I don't entirely agree with his opinion. He did say something along the lines of Nullsec being short on ISK and although I haven't dedicated a huge amount of time to Null, one would think this is where most of the ISK is.
And as far as "dying." I saw a large amount of people that disagreed.
yeah its kinda laughable to say theres no isk in null
I wanna send an email as ask if high sec or low sec are gonna get love but I dont know the email lol
lol csm wasnt consulted on the 13 plex thing
HUGE SURPRISE there They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
21
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:20:00 -
[84] - Quote
Kyoko Sakoda wrote:Not going to side with anyone in the debate, just going to say:
Pro journalism = linking to a source that has historically been suspected of keylogging.
I'm sorry but I am unaware of such claims I'm afraid. But then again, I'm no journalist |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:21:00 -
[85] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:
It IS funny, Mittens "doesnt speak for the CSM" but none of the other CSM are talking MORE funny is the title of the window. "Funky talks to Mittens" NOT "Funky talks to the CSM"
Im actually wrong in that theyre all talking which is interesting cause in these these things mittens usually does all the talking
"if the pilots are claustrophobic an they hate leaving their pods, WHAT ARE WE WiS?????" QFT
lol "what are you guys gonna do other than create negative press for EVE?"
Mittens: "a lotta ppl have ******** ideas what to do when youre in power" - He says such as resigning or breaking the NDA - so no releasing the minutes or Mittens actually rebelling guys
and no, he's not gonna retire cause "that would be stupid" lol
Gotta take another shot, Mittens said AGAIN "farmville in space" and "we need stuff to do not to wear" man can he come up with his own material? They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:50:00 -
[86] - Quote
Oh man... WE arent gonna retire or unsub cause that would be stupid for us but what YOU can do is unsub.
Great... Mittens is lining up level 4 missions in highsec directly in his sights.
Fairly obvious how he feels about Highsec
"games should dot be developed in a democratic direction" - Mittani
funny given how he got where he is
Points to the interviewer for pointing this out by the way. He said "isnt the CSM crowdsourcing?" when The Mittani was saying how bad crowdsourcing is lol They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Kyoko Sakoda
Veto. Veto Corp
2
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:51:00 -
[87] - Quote
Tiven loves Tansien wrote:
Post with main, etc. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:56:00 -
[88] - Quote
"I dont think doing what the mob wants is a good idea, but you throw them a bit of cake now and again"
nice... They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Dustin Roac
1
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Posted - 2011.09.06 23:58:00 -
[89] - Quote
well that's about it for whatever hopeful views of the csm I had. (after listening to the radio broadcast)
They are just a tool for CCP to use, nothing else. Always have been. Good intentions, but expectations and self flattery that has spawned from them defeat it's purpose.
And what I find hilarious are the ones that claim they have 'connections' and pound concrete to the media over these issues.
NO csm, those media outlets have connections with you because they will always try to get you to talk for as you said, website hits. They don't care a bit about you otherwise, or CCP and EVE for that matter.
The EGO that has grown of this group, to think that they have an ability to call for the player base to do something and the crowds will listen and follow, is just unbelievable. The preaching done by mittens and the lot thinking they know what's best for the whole of EVE makes me gag, CCP just needs to yank the CSM program and wipe it's hands of it. |
Large Collidable Object
morons. Interstellar Hobos
161
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Posted - 2011.09.07 00:01:00 -
[90] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote: "games should dot be developed in a democratic direction" - Mittani
funny given how he got where he is
l
He ordered goons to vote for him? morons are recruiting. You know who you are! |
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.07 00:06:00 -
[91] - Quote
Dustin Roac wrote:well that's about it for whatever hopeful views of the csm I had. (after listening to the radio broadcast)
They are just a tool for CCP to use, nothing else. Always have been. Good intentions, but expectations and self flattery that has spawned from them defeat it's purpose.
And what I find hilarious are the ones that claim they have 'connections' and pound concrete to the media over these issues.
NO csm, those media outlets have connections with you because they will always try to get you to talk for as you said, website hits. They don't care a bit about you otherwise, or CCP and EVE for that matter.
The EGO that has grown of this group, to think that they have an ability to call for the player base to do something and the crowds will listen and follow, is just unbelievable. The preaching done by mittens and the lot thinking they know what's best for the whole of EVE makes me gag, CCP just needs to yank the CSM program and wipe it's hands of it.
Pretty much. The only thing I learned about this is its not just the Mittani, its the whole CSM that feel the same way. We (those of us in highsec) need a CSM representative. A whole lowsec (mind you he couldnt even remember the name of the one lowsec guy he was that important to Mittens)/0.0 CSM (even as ineffectual as they are) whispering in CCP's ear is bad for the ppl that dont have representation.
Honestly, and this isnt cause I want the game to die but for a reason Ill make more clear in a second, I hope CCP stands up to the CSM, disbands them, tells them to go screw themselves or something. Simply put because if they bend to their pressure, whats to stop the CSM from doing this kind of thing every time they want a change. Then the CSM really WILL have become a monster.
Large Collidable Object wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote: "games should dot be developed in a democratic direction" - Mittani
funny given how he got where he is
l
He ordered goons to vote for him?
The democratic system (flawed as it is in this game) got him to the CSM but he thinks there shouldnt be such systems in games. Maybe he realizes just how much damage he can do lol They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Flamespar
Woof Club
23
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Posted - 2011.09.07 00:13:00 -
[92] - Quote
I am so sick of Mitten's bullshit.
I enjoy Incarna and what it will bring to the game. I'm ok with the fact that others don't.
I don't wet my knickers CSM-style whenever the features I don't enjoy get development time over those features that I do. I'm not the only person that f**king plays this game after all.
I also don't collapse into an infantile rage whenver I am 'forced' to do something in the game that I dont want to, like refuelling a POS.
(from the EVEnews24 website)
Quote:The last true GÇÿEVEGÇÖ expansions besides Incursions we had was, ****, years ago So except for the expansion (Incursion) that he remembers but chooses to dismiss, And of course Dominion that he seems to have forgotten about, we have had no FiS expansion. Riiiiight.
Quote:Tyrannis, however, ate two expansion cycles to bring us PI, which basically no one uses, as a planned eventual dust link. But it doesnGÇÖt offer any real gameplay for EVE players. So except for the people that do use it (unless POSs everywhere are running without fuel), and do enjoy it. No-one uses it. Cause Mittens says so. No need for anything like .. oh I don't know ... evidence to back your arguements up?
Hi my name is Mittens, and I haz a CSM. Therefor my opinion is more important than evidence to the contrary. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Talia Nachtigall
Hidden Souls
5
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Posted - 2011.09.07 00:14:00 -
[93] - Quote
I find this entire situation completely unacceptable. The whole "meeting minutes" situation is really starting to **** me off. We've been more than patient and frankly - my patience level is starting to significantly drop. If CCP doesn't do the right thing and I mean soon, they're going to lose another two accounts and the possibility of me even being remotely interested in Dust 514 and WoD will completely vanish.
For now - I place my hopes in the CSM. They're our voice. Let's just hope those at CCP sitting on their thrones cannot keep ignore the peasants which support them.
---
PS: Furthermore I completely agree with Mitten's position. There has been a serious lack of "EVE-content" in the expansions lately. No trailers, no new features, and hardly any real content expansions. Don't pray for my soul. ;) |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.07 00:17:00 -
[94] - Quote
Given how easily Mittens flip flops on an issue how long you think it is till he stops caring about 0.0 and starts caring about something else... Everyone is all great that theyre nerfing High sec an all but what happens when the "your game" he wants to destroy becomes the game YOU play? They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Barakkus
668
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Posted - 2011.09.07 00:49:00 -
[95] - Quote
/yawn
Who cares anyways? When the game no longer is fun for you, find something else. When I finally get bored, I'll move on, until then, this is just stupid e-drama, and an ego boost for the members of the CSM for their illustrious non-positions within the community. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.07 02:10:00 -
[96] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:/yawn
Who cares anyways? When the game no longer is fun for you, find something else. When I finally get bored, I'll move on, until then, this is just stupid e-drama, and an ego boost for the members of the CSM for their illustrious non-positions within the community.
yeah well ignoring them doesnt work either due to the fact CCP listens to them for some reason
They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Atlas.
61
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Posted - 2011.09.07 02:47:00 -
[97] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:Given how easily Mittens flip flops on an issue how long you think it is till he stops caring about 0.0 and starts caring about something else... Everyone is all great that theyre nerfing High sec an all but what happens when the "your game" he wants to destroy becomes the game YOU play? calling it now, Mittani is gonna ditch the whole "0.0 lobbying" thing and go straight to campaigning on a pro-PI platform. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2011.09.07 03:24:00 -
[98] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Given how easily Mittens flip flops on an issue how long you think it is till he stops caring about 0.0 and starts caring about something else... Everyone is all great that theyre nerfing High sec an all but what happens when the "your game" he wants to destroy becomes the game YOU play? calling it now, Mittani is gonna ditch the whole "0.0 lobbying" thing and go straight to campaigning on a pro-PI platform.
you mean "farmville in space" he said it at least 15 times
They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.09.07 04:05:00 -
[99] - Quote
I read this thread. I read what Mittani wrote. Looked around that Kugu site, browsing the convos about 0.0
Here's a puzzle, for people who say they don't care about the game and bump into walls all the time, they sure know why , when and how a system fell the other day. A system that oh, 95% of the players have never heard of unless it's mentioned in the login page news. Also a great depth of knowledge about SC blobs, hot drops, logistics, intel as well as all the meta gaming that can be applied. I am reminded of Frank Zappa, sticking his finger up at high-tech studio production while at the same time up to his ears in it when it suited him. This in high contrast to straight-out ignorance of activities like PI and mission running that (face it) most of eve is doing.
Think I've figured it out. We have here people who want to have it both ways, shrug and giggle when they lose, pump their fists in the air when they win, and all the while dramaqueen it up about issues they distort into calamities. Infantile.
tl;dr: for the livestock --- dramaqueens are playing a different game than you are. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
5
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Posted - 2011.09.07 04:13:00 -
[100] - Quote
He is just paraphrasing and mouthing off what everyone else has been saying all along. Chiming in late only fools some people. CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
28
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Posted - 2011.09.07 04:22:00 -
[101] - Quote
I remember myself and hundreds of others saying a lot of the things Mittens is saying now months ago.
Why is this news now?
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Manji Lee
Missions Mining and Mayhem Northern Coalition.
26
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Posted - 2011.09.07 04:32:00 -
[102] - Quote
Let's face it. If Mittens really has the balls and hates whats going. He would resign right away as protest. He's nothing more then a typical american politician. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
28
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Posted - 2011.09.07 04:40:00 -
[103] - Quote
Manji Lee wrote:Let's face it. If Mittens really has the balls and hates whats going. He would resign right away as protest. He's nothing more then a typical american politician.
Yeah wouldnt limit that too just the US these days.
But everyone wanted the CSM to go in to play hardball to begin with. Most of use saw the writing on the wall in the leaked mail and Internal Mag. Instead we got Chamberlain "Peace in our time" BS and them worrying about minerals in WHs etc? Lots of fluff jobs from that trip is what i took from it.
And many months late he has the same realization we all had when incarceration hit with one room and 3 plex monos. And it took them trying to rewrite the minutes for him to realize what a snow job they were trying to pull on us? He is more upset they were using him IMO more then anything else.
But if thats what it takes to get him aligned more to my view on CCP abusing the paying customer base then so be it. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2011.09.07 04:57:00 -
[104] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:I remember myself and hundreds of others saying a lot of the things Mittens is saying now months ago.
Why is this news now?
If you listened to the everadio thing, Mittens hardly even said one original word. It wa slike he was reading off an outline with buzzwords like farmville in space and flying in space They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
28
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Posted - 2011.09.07 05:02:00 -
[105] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:RougeOperator wrote:I remember myself and hundreds of others saying a lot of the things Mittens is saying now months ago.
Why is this news now?
If you listened to the everadio thing, Mittens hardly even said one original word. It wa slike he was reading off an outline with buzzwords like farmville in space and flying in space
I only read the articles and it was all stuff everyone said during the week of rage. Only now it seems he is trying to sell it as new stuff he came up with.
But if he can get the goon block to put pressure on CCP then more power too him. I know the real score and thats what matters. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2011.09.07 05:20:00 -
[106] - Quote
Said this earlier but it got buried;
Honestly, and this isnt cause I want the game to die but for a reason Ill make more clear in a second, I hope CCP stands up to the CSM, disbands them, tells them to go screw themselves or something. Simply put because if they bend to their pressure, whats to stop the CSM from doing this kind of thing every time they want a change. Then the CSM really WILL have become a monster.
Its like netotating with terrorists lol if you do it once you set a precedence and will have to keep doing it. They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Azhpol
Casa Del Wombat
4
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Posted - 2011.09.07 05:48:00 -
[107] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:Said this earlier but it got buried;
Honestly, and this isnt cause I want the game to die but for a reason Ill make more clear in a second, I hope CCP stands up to the CSM, disbands them, tells them to go screw themselves or something. Simply put because if they bend to their pressure, whats to stop the CSM from doing this kind of thing every time they want a change. Then the CSM really WILL have become a monster.
Its like netotating with terrorists lol if you do it once you set a precedence and will have to keep doing it.
Ah, but if they DON'T give in to the CSM, then the playerbase that actually made EvE famous(the 0.0 crowd) will pretty much all leave, or completely turn their accounts over to their bots so they can RMT. Eve isn't popular because of highsec, eve is popular because people hear stories about the crazy stuff going on in null, and want to check out the game that allows that. You lose the nullsec crowd, and eve will die a slow, stagnant death.
So its negotiate with terrorists or die, and there is too much money at stake for them to allow eve to die(at least til GlitterVamp2000 comes out, and they can sell pretty princess to idiot emo kids) On day, I will have a signature, til then I have this. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
31
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Posted - 2011.09.07 05:59:00 -
[108] - Quote
Azhpol wrote: Ah, but if they DON'T give in to the CSM, then the playerbase that actually made EvE famous(the 0.0 crowd) will pretty much all leave, or completely turn their accounts over to their bots so they can RMT.
I think you slightly over-estimate the importance of this CSM. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
55
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Posted - 2011.09.07 07:17:00 -
[109] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Azhpol wrote: Ah, but if they DON'T give in to the CSM, then the playerbase that actually made EvE famous(the 0.0 crowd) will pretty much all leave, or completely turn their accounts over to their bots so they can RMT.
I think you slightly over-estimate the importance of this CSM. that the "Nuclear Winter" memo was preceded by "GSF Comes to World of Tanks" was completely coincidental and totally not meant to be noticed by CCP... |
Mechael
Helhest 1st Prospectors' Collective
16
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Posted - 2011.09.07 07:24:00 -
[110] - Quote
Grimpak wrote:tbh the way I see things is:
adding Incarna = ok adding Incarna in deterrent of the rest of the other features = not ok
still think that if Incarna was totally optional from the onset (no, the makeshift "temporary" solution in the options IS NOT ok) like CCP promised, the community whiplash would be far less.
But the problem isn't Incarna itself. The problem is plainly and simply the NeX store. I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
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Jita Alt666
238
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Posted - 2011.09.07 07:29:00 -
[111] - Quote
Flamespar wrote:Azhpol wrote: Ah, but if they DON'T give in to the CSM, then the playerbase that actually made EvE famous(the 0.0 crowd) will pretty much all leave, or completely turn their accounts over to their bots so they can RMT.
I think you slightly over-estimate the importance of this CSM.
Without wanting to stroke the Mittani's already well established ego: Goons are essentially an out of game organisation. They have some 6000 in game characters and some 150000 out of game members. Like almost all 0.0 groups they have out of alliance support alts/accounts (traders, PI runners, spies, locator agent alts, sleeper accounts, wormhole isk funders). If the Mittani decides to leave Eve, the vast majority of these characters will go with him.
Considering the current financial state of CCP (leaked on multiple out of game forums) losing an additional 3000+ accounts in one hit, along with the give no fucks releases to the media this would encompass, this CSM is the most relevant of any in Eve Online's history.
Eve is a terrible single player game. It is a moderately entertaining multiplayer game (I am being optimistic here). When it reaches a critical mass of declination, it will reach a failcascade point of no return. Mittani could enguineer that. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Atlas.
90
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Posted - 2011.09.07 07:33:00 -
[112] - Quote
Yep, last time Goons pulled out the mass unsub card out (in response to T20) led to the creation of the CSM in the first place. |
El'Niaga
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2011.09.07 07:55:00 -
[113] - Quote
CCP upper management already made the decision, while they aren't being nearly as caustic as SOE and LA officials at the NGE rollout in essence they have no clue what they are doing. They've had a business model mapped out and are following it to their doom just like SOE and LA's infamous focus groups for SWG.
The CSM has no power, never did. The only things that were implemented that it has suggested were already on the slate to be implemented. All the CSM is is a firewall between management and the player base. That's all it was ever intended to be. It serves about the same purpose as the SWG Senate back in 2005. Mostly kept in the dark about what really is going on and then expected to buffer between players and management when things blow up.
I'm sorry if anyone felt they were anything more than this, but they aren't.
Incarna was rolled out in an incompetent fashion. It was rolled out not even 1/4 finished and for no other reason than to meet some suits imaginary deadline. As such they missed the boat. What could have been a great expansion and pulled more people into eve instead has alienated those same folks who come find you can only sit in one station style and not interact with anyone. It should never have been released when it was. Working on it now is counterproductive really, the boat sailed and they missed it due to incompetent management. Continued work on it just stagnates other areas of the game long since ignored by management.
Incarna was like the CU for SWG, and we've seen similar trends in a decline in average users. The Winter Expansion could be the NGE if they aren't careful. What they need is to release at least a moderate amount of news ships and mods to change the mix. That's about the only thing that will reinvigorate EVE at this point. (You know those promised ships from winning contests, the long promised t3 frigates and t3 battleships (and hopefully a t3 industrial/miner combo). Just ships that do new things like maybe some Ammatar ships that take elements from both Amarr and Minmatar.
While certainly Seleene when he worked for CCP buffed Supercarriers to much, the fact remains that nerfing them will not change anything at this point. They already exist. It wasn't the supercarriers really that won things, yes they maybe made it easier but the truth was the DRF's dedication to building supercarriers and fielding them. The NC had as many if not more supers than the DRF on paper but in the end their pilots were not willing to engage after a couple of battles. That's what killed the NC (along with that foolish sanctum nerf). The Russians are dedicated, nerf their supers and they'll just come in battleships. They can build them probably 100 times faster. So basically you gain nothing. Instead it would be better to see new ship types emerge to deal with the situation. Drone Inerdiction ships, Heavy Battlecruisers, Heavy Stealth Bombers, Minelayers, etc. There is a plethora of things that could be done to drastically change the battlefield while still rewarding those who chose to dedicate their time and effort to building supercarriers. |
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2011.09.07 08:04:00 -
[114] - Quote
Azhpol wrote: Ah, but if they DON'T give in to the CSM, then the playerbase that actually made EvE famous(the 0.0 crowd) will pretty much all leave, or completely turn their accounts over to their bots so they can RMT. Eve isn't popular because of highsec, eve is popular because people hear stories about the crazy stuff going on in null, and want to check out the game that allows that. You lose the nullsec crowd, and eve will die a slow, stagnant death.
So its negotiate with terrorists or die,
Maybe. Or a sudden power vacuum in 0.0 could create invigorating turmoil over the scraps and herald a new age of cloaky bot trolling, ninja smallholding and unregulated ingame mischief on a scale that hasn't been possible for years now.
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Jita Alt666
238
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Posted - 2011.09.07 08:08:00 -
[115] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:Azhpol wrote: Ah, but if they DON'T give in to the CSM, then the playerbase that actually made EvE famous(the 0.0 crowd) will pretty much all leave, or completely turn their accounts over to their bots so they can RMT. Eve isn't popular because of highsec, eve is popular because people hear stories about the crazy stuff going on in null, and want to check out the game that allows that. You lose the nullsec crowd, and eve will die a slow, stagnant death.
So its negotiate with terrorists or die,
Maybe. Or a sudden power vacuum in 0.0 could create invigorating turmoil over the scraps and herald a new age of cloaky bot trolling, ninja smallholding and unregulated ingame mischief on a scale that hasn't been possible for years now.
Sudden power vacuum in 0.0? How about increased capacity of DRF to hold all of 0.0. |
Prince Kobol
43
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Posted - 2011.09.07 08:10:00 -
[116] - Quote
In regards to the threat of the goons leaving the game.
Most players wouldn't give a **** and would most likey laugh and celebrate if they did leave.
Also chances are many would be back after a few weeks because that is what they are like.
I don't understand why people do not understand that CCP DO NOT CARE.
Look at this from the suits point of view.
As far as they are concerned you guys are nothing but a collection of kiddies stomping your feet.
CCP are no different from any other MMO Developer, they do not act upon anything that the players do. At most they will play lip service but that is it.
SoE proved this with SWG, Turbine have proved this with Lotro. In both case they lost a large number of players but continued on the path they believed was right.
You can protest all you want, you can un-sub, you can leak anything you want to online gaming publications, it DOES NOT MATTER.
The main reason nothing will change has already been stated, if CCP give in to any kind of protest it sets a precedent, a very dangerous precedent.
It will mean that you will constantly get large alliances banding together threatening to leave on mass if they do not get there own way.
Even after all the bad press CCP suffered a few months back, the mass of peope who unsubbed, the protests in Jita, what did any of that accomplish..... Nothing, absolutely nothing |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2011.09.07 08:56:00 -
[117] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Azhpol wrote: Ah, but if they DON'T give in to the CSM, then the playerbase that actually made EvE famous(the 0.0 crowd) will pretty much all leave, or completely turn their accounts over to their bots so they can RMT. Eve isn't popular because of highsec, eve is popular because people hear stories about the crazy stuff going on in null, and want to check out the game that allows that. You lose the nullsec crowd, and eve will die a slow, stagnant death.
So its negotiate with terrorists or die,
Maybe. Or a sudden power vacuum in 0.0 could create invigorating turmoil over the scraps and herald a new age of cloaky bot trolling, ninja smallholding and unregulated ingame mischief on a scale that hasn't been possible for years now. Sudden power vacuum in 0.0? How about increased capacity of DRF to hold all of 0.0.
Dont russians hold all of it now? Seems like one group holding all of 0.0 is what CCP wants
They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
El'Niaga
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2011.09.07 09:00:00 -
[118] - Quote
The DRF does not control all of 0.0.
Goons and their allies control the west.
-A- and its allies though having lost some ground still control a good part of the south. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
229
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Posted - 2011.09.07 13:18:00 -
[119] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote: "games should dot be developed in a democratic direction" - Mittani
funny given how he got where he is
He ordered goons to vote for him? The democratic system (flawed as it is in this game) got him to the CSM but he thinks there shouldnt be such systems in games. Maybe he realizes just how much damage he can do lol
So what? Hitlar wasn't supporting democracy either, yet got elected democratically.
morons-áare recruiting. We're good at breeding! |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
115
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Posted - 2011.09.07 13:35:00 -
[120] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:I remember myself and hundreds of others saying a lot of the things Mittens is saying now months ago.
Why is this news now?
And your not the only one who says that, I gues The Mittani finally got it, it only took a few months.
The Mittani wrote:This has been unusual. I posted I can only take from this that the message itself is something that resonates with most of the playerbase and those who follow EVE.
Welcome to the revolution man, now grab a shovel, your late. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
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Vin Hellsing
64
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Posted - 2011.09.07 13:46:00 -
[121] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This has been unusual. I posted my comments on goonfleet.com and reposted them on Kugu because anything I write is automatically reposted on the GSF-specific Kugu thread within minutes. I had expected to have the CSM spotlight FiS Neglect in about a week, and then do a bunch of grinding work to try to get the media to pay attention to the spotlight. Instead, my alliance-only statement has created an increasing media buzz all by itself without any effort on my part. I can only take from this that the message itself is something that resonates with most of the playerbase and those who follow EVE. Looks like we just made Gamespy, too.
I wouldn't take a spymaster's words at face value. Especially not yours.
As far as I'm concerned, you've only made yourself come off as a huge *******.
CSM needs R&R. Respect & Results.
You're not producing that at all.
P.S. Any CSM that is a goon is only going to have an interest in enacting changes that benefit Goons. This is a conflict of interest to the whole of EVE's community, which is why it's no surprise people are not thrilled with your behavior so far, Mittani. |
Justice Starcatcher
Volatile Nature White Noise.
1
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Posted - 2011.09.07 14:04:00 -
[122] - Quote
I didn't vote for Mittens, I do vote with my $15. Game still good. |
Tethys Atreides
The Audacity of Huge
45
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Posted - 2011.09.07 14:15:00 -
[123] - Quote
Meh, it's a battle of prima donnas. Between Himar and Mit there is enough self-inflated ego to render insignificant any volcanic eruption Iceland may throw at us in the future.
I, for one, don't believe a word either of them say. It's all just a self indulgent smokescreen around a rather pathetic quest for personal gain.
It is a game. |
Prince Kobol
43
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Posted - 2011.09.07 16:44:00 -
[124] - Quote
Tethys Atreides wrote:Meh, it's a battle of prima donnas. Between Himar and Mit there is enough self-inflated ego to render insignificant any volcanic eruption Iceland may throw at us in the future.
I, for one, don't believe a word either of them say. It's all just a self indulgent smokescreen around a rather pathetic quest for personal gain.
It is a game.
There will only ever be one winner and it will not be the Mit |
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
88
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Posted - 2011.09.07 17:45:00 -
[125] - Quote
CSM does show a great deal of respect to CCP dev's and those people working on EvE.
They have an issue with CCP managment no allocating resources to eve. I have actually Un-subbed my acounts, We need more to do, not more to wear. E-mail me when CCP has decent content a casual player can access in a 1-2h play period that is actually fun and contributes to long term goals. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2011.09.07 17:50:00 -
[126] - Quote
know whats funny here look here
look at that link an see how many time goons an the csm are trolling that thread an I have yet to see them get snipped Looks like a perk of getting on the CSM is immunity to forum mods They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Bolloxx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.09.07 17:58:00 -
[127] - Quote
Vin Hellsing wrote:[quote=The Mittani]This has been unusual. I posted my comments on goonfleet.com and reposted them on Kugu because anything I write is automatically reposted on the GSF-specific Kugu thread within minutes. I had expected to have the CSM spotlight FiS Neglect in about a week, and then do a bunch of grinding work to try to get the media to pay attention to the spotlight. Instead, my alliance-only statement has created an increasing media buzz all by itself without any effort on my part. I can only take from this that the message itself is something that resonates with most of the playerbase and those who follow EVE. Looks like we just made Gamespy, too.
Oh come on
Mittiani has opened his big mouth and put his foot in it
Now he is trying to backtrack
He is full of s*** , and knows little about the playerbase and has only the interests of the Goons at hand, you only need to see his views on WH space to see this
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Tomas Sean Connery
State War Academy Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2011.09.07 18:14:00 -
[128] - Quote
"PC Gamer directs our attention to Alexander Gianturco's blog, Kugutsu*men, where Gianturco writes as the leader of Eve Online's Council of Stellar Management liaison group. As evidence of the game's recent stagnation, Gianturco points to the average logged-on player numbers for the game before and after Incarna's June launch."
I didn't know Kugu was Mittani's blog, and why doesn't it mention the person who actually made the chart? |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2011.09.07 18:20:00 -
[129] - Quote
Bolloxx wrote:Vin Hellsing wrote:[quote=The Mittani]This has been unusual. I posted my comments on goonfleet.com and reposted them on Kugu because anything I write is automatically reposted on the GSF-specific Kugu thread within minutes. I had expected to have the CSM spotlight FiS Neglect in about a week, and then do a bunch of grinding work to try to get the media to pay attention to the spotlight. Instead, my alliance-only statement has created an increasing media buzz all by itself without any effort on my part. I can only take from this that the message itself is something that resonates with most of the playerbase and those who follow EVE. Looks like we just made Gamespy, too. Oh come on Mittiani has opened his big mouth and put his foot in it Now he is trying to backtrack He is full of s*** , and knows little about the playerbase and has only the interests of the Goons at hand, you only need to see his views on WH space to see this
I like how he's pretending he didnt call the news ppl (email w/e) and point them to his blog, he's pretending thy found it on their own
Good question tho; I heard a player named Helicity got banned for telling a dev to diaf. Mittens is telling ppl to get their gasoline ready "its not time to light fires yet" insinuating that there will come that time. seems similar to what the other guy got banned for to me They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Bienator II
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
143
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Posted - 2011.09.07 19:11:00 -
[130] - Quote
hmm. maybe the management hasn't yet realised that eve is real? You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2011.09.07 19:24:00 -
[131] - Quote
Anyone find it funny that this thread isnt MUCH longer by now?
Bienator II wrote:hmm. maybe the management hasn't yet realised that eve is real?
lol it would have been funny if theyd put that in the ban email "banned for real life threats - what you didnt know? EVE is real" They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
88
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Posted - 2011.09.07 20:20:00 -
[132] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:Anyone find it funny that this thread isnt MUCH longer by now?
No blue posts so not as attractive as the other posts.
I assume CCP is aware of the warning and are fully prepared to do nothing. Not that they could say anything. Alsot he devs posting are the good guys. They love EvE and work on making it great. Mittens post was about the upper managment whom you will NOT see post because EvE is simply something to be exploited.
Heck some Dev's may even agree with mittens. You think they never say.."wow if we had a few more guys we could........." or "shoot we are behind again if only we had...."?
I am suprised there is just one thread though, normally people don't read and make thier own thread so you get thread spam. I have actually Un-subbed my acounts, We need more to do, not more to wear. E-mail me when CCP has decent content a casual player can access in a 1-2h play period that is actually fun and contributes to long term goals. |
Kengutsi Akira
GloboTech Industries
14
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Posted - 2011.09.07 20:27:00 -
[133] - Quote
E man Industries wrote:
I am suprised there is just one thread though, normally people don't read and make thier own thread so you get thread spam.
Usually Goons threadnaught when they get pissed off and spam the forums so fast the mods cant keep up which gets the forums shut down. Im surprised we havent seen THAT yet |
Jita Alt666
238
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Posted - 2011.09.07 20:36:00 -
[134] - Quote
This thread has degenerated into goon hating personal insults from bitter vet alts. It really should be locked and pinned as an example of how posting should not be done. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
28
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Posted - 2011.09.07 20:45:00 -
[135] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:This thread has degenerated into goon hating personal insults from bitter vet alts. It really should be locked and pinned as an example of how posting should not be done.
Many are upset at them coming late to the party.
There is the concept of being patient we all know that. But the "be patient ship" sailed with the leaked newsletter memo and email. Made worse by the fact that when the CSM was over we were left feeling like the CSM was just a PR Propaganda stunt.
Then now months later and they are trying to EDIT the minutes is really the last straw in their horrible PR.
But then the people on the PR team think of us as dinosaurs that need to be caged behind electric fences. And Hilmar sees us as slaves/serfs who exist only to work his fields and not question anything.
To be honest I believe Incarna will be the point at which everyone points too as what killed EVE. The smoking gun. Sure there were incidents and bungles before but think of that as just them loading and priming the gun.
Well Im more then happy that the Goons may now be joining the side of needing to apply pressure.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
28
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Posted - 2011.09.07 20:55:00 -
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Double post, first time for me. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2011.09.07 20:58:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:This thread has degenerated into goon hating personal insults from bitter vet alts. It really should be locked and pinned as an example of how posting should not be done.
Its also degenerated into (well its always been like this) Goons trolling everyone else.
You a Goon alt out of curiosity? They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Pesadel0
the muppets RED.OverLord
1
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Posted - 2011.09.07 21:45:00 -
[138] - Quote
E man Industries wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Anyone find it funny that this thread isnt MUCH longer by now?
No blue posts so not as attractive as the other posts. I assume CCP is aware of the warning and are fully prepared to do nothing. Not that they could say anything. Alsot he devs posting are the good guys. They love EvE and work on making it great. Mittens post was about the upper managment whom you will NOT see post because EvE is simply something to be exploited. Heck some Dev's may even agree with mittens. You think they never say.."wow if we had a few more guys we could........." or "shoot we are behind again if only we had...."? I am suprised there is just one thread though, normally people don't read and make thier own thread so you get thread spam.
So many dev posts on the new forum , stranglly the thread that has more pages and more views , gets nothing.
I would love if some dev came here and trolled the **** of us all and mitt in particular, becausenow it is too late to try and "save" eve , after all the people said months ago. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2011.09.07 22:09:00 -
[139] - Quote
Pesadel0 wrote:E man Industries wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Anyone find it funny that this thread isnt MUCH longer by now?
No blue posts so not as attractive as the other posts. I assume CCP is aware of the warning and are fully prepared to do nothing. Not that they could say anything. Alsot he devs posting are the good guys. They love EvE and work on making it great. Mittens post was about the upper managment whom you will NOT see post because EvE is simply something to be exploited. Heck some Dev's may even agree with mittens. You think they never say.."wow if we had a few more guys we could........." or "shoot we are behind again if only we had...."? I am suprised there is just one thread though, normally people don't read and make thier own thread so you get thread spam. So many dev posts on the new forum , stranglly the thread that has more pages and more views , gets nothing. I would love if some dev came here and trolled the **** of us all and mitt in particular, becausenow it is too late to try and "save" eve , after all the people said months ago.
Go here CSM trolling too
They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
28
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Posted - 2011.09.08 00:47:00 -
[140] - Quote
Some new links added. Among those CSM Seleenes latest blog "Reality Check" and a download page for EVE Radio "Dissecting CCP" podcasts, which is the shows from June 25th, July 2nd, July 5th and September 6th 2011. |
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Living Dead Girl
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2011.09.08 01:06:00 -
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Quite honestly, i don't care what the armchair politicians do. let them stroke their egos by thinking THEY started all this. So long as the problem is solved or at least ADDRESSED, We all know the real score.
Either way. never been a fan of the goons, but "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" or something like that.
"You Have My Rifter!"
*edit* damnit, i missed another snipe. The Goal Isn't To live Forever, It's To Create Something That Does. |
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
88
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Posted - 2011.09.08 01:10:00 -
[142] - Quote
thanks for the link updates.
I have actually Un-subbed my acounts, We need more to do, not more to wear. E-mail me when CCP has decent content a casual player can access in a 1-2h play period that is actually fun and contributes to long term goals. |
Vnixx
Multiplex Gaming SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2011.09.08 05:02:00 -
[143] - Quote
I'll make this plain and simple...
Unsubscribing your account is going to do nothing.
What makes CCP notice that they are in trouble is when they receive bad publicity from the media. What mittans has done is CCP's weakness. |
Vnixx
Multiplex Gaming SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2011.09.08 05:02:00 -
[144] - Quote
Very good post. |
Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.08 05:14:00 -
[145] - Quote
Testing on a toasted toast |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
557
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Posted - 2011.09.08 19:50:00 -
[146] - Quote
MMORPG.com, now. |
Oglyn
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:02:00 -
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Quote:I'm the leader of the largest alliance in EVE (Goonswarm Federation) which contains about seven thousand pilots
Stopped reading about there. You are only the leader of the second largest alliance Mr Mittens. If you can't stop your ego getting in the way of the facts, what hope is there for your campaign?
Just sayin' |
NJEchoAlpha
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:15:00 -
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MITTENS CAN I HAVE YOUR BABIES?
In all seriousness, Mittens represents the interests of both TEST and the GSF. And he isn't acting alone, we all agree with him. None of us care about walking around in a small room. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
249
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:25:00 -
[149] - Quote
Good interview. You pretty much summed up the situation there.
(I feel ~represented~ ) Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Julia Reeve
Both Worlds
1
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Posted - 2011.09.23 21:32:00 -
[150] - Quote
Ok, I've been looking at this little riot for a while now and have to say that I dont see what the fuzz is all about.
I get why people got angry at first. The idea from one of ccp's emplyees to make the nex store something to buy your way to the top with rl money. However this was dismissed and thats the end of it.
Now people are raging about there subscription money going to waste. But walking in stations will be better then spinning in stations. Its gonna take some time before it arrives, but the'll get there. And cmon, the only way the nex store will bite anyone in the but is when it suddenly works really well. Everyone is gonna use it and the price of PLEX will rise. That will suck for people buying them and will be great for people selling them. Thats just EVE, isnt it?
As for my money, they have eaned it. Still think eve is a great game, even if they they let up play dress up in gucci outfits
-------- Walking Sux -------- |
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Minabunny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2011.09.24 01:40:00 -
[151] - Quote
One week csm is breaking out the torches and pitch forks, couple weeks later they are wiping fanboi juice off their chin. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
63
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Posted - 2011.09.24 01:44:00 -
[152] - Quote
Quote:In all seriousness, Mittens represents the interests of both TEST and the GSF. And he isn't acting alone, we all agree with him. None of us care about walking around in a small room.
Therefore I can deduce that you do not need to buy pants and boots to go with the monocles and jacket? Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. |
Sexy Moped
The Drones Club
7
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Posted - 2011.09.24 09:40:00 -
[153] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:Quote:In all seriousness, Mittens represents the interests of both TEST and the GSF. And he isn't acting alone, we all agree with him. None of us care about walking around in a small room. Therefore I can deduce that you do not need to buy pants and boots to go with the monocles and jacket?
I guess it is ok to buy from the NEX store but not use the WiS to parade around in the new clothes ..... What is the CSM representing? there are so many posts on various subjects now and i'm getting lost in all this lol. your respect is meaningless, and i only represent my constituents - not crybabies with entitlement complexes
-The Mittani 17.07.2011 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1549785&page=6#158 |
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