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Tenshiin Duragon Pioneer Group	Posted - 2007.12.15 05:53:00 - [1] The patch notes don't mention anything about fixing jumpbridges for alliance-wide use. Can we at least get a statement, or even some sort of hint that this problem is at least known and possibly being looked at? Thanks, keep up the good work.
Kumq uat Gallente Round Table Enterprises DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.12.15 06:04:00 - [2] This jump bridge fiasco has crippled my ability to ferry stuff to my corp as I can't get into our station systems. I would think this would be more important to fix than a lot of the stuff I saw. www.eve-pirate.com author and goat molestor.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.12.15 06:06:00 - [3] Originally by: Tenshiin The patch notes don't mention anything about fixing jumpbridges for alliance-wide use. Can we at least get a statement, or even some sort of hint that this problem is at least known and possibly being looked at? Thanks, keep up the good work. Why do players insist on having devs hold their hands and stroke their hair when something breaks? Act your age and deal with what you're dealt. As long as someones told the devs there is an issue, what is nagging them going to do but prolong the fix?
Kumq uat Gallente Round Table Enterprises DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.12.15 06:13:00 - [4] Gee, I dunno. Why do people post with alts. Dumbass. www.eve-pirate.com author and goat molestor.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.12.15 06:17:00 - [5] Originally by: Kumq uat Gee, I dunno. Why do people post with alts. Dumbass. You must be new here, I have no alts. I believe the term is Misanthropist.
Kumq uat Gallente Round Table Enterprises DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.12.15 06:56:00 - [6] I tend to stay away from the forums. New though? Not even close sunshine. www.eve-pirate.com author and goat molestor.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.12.15 07:05:00 - [7] Originally by: Kumq uat I tend to stay away from the forums. New though? Not even close sunshine. Well lets see, I've been play EVE on and off since Medusa, hows about you?
Kaalixia	Posted - 2007.12.15 07:13:00 - [8] I don't see how this qualifies as "holding hands" There's been issues with these damn things since they were put in game, and the constant and ever-present attitude from CCP has been "well, we don't know why it doesn't work" I have to post with an alt since it's been ordered not to flag my alliance as having these problems (although I very sure we're not the only ones) It's amazing, the petitions have been very thorough and detailed, and after months (yes, months) of having them broken after DT the solution we get? Move them to another system. Then when they broke in that system, it was back and forth "dunno, we'll get back to you" and all of this was before the big fiasco Trinity. Now? Don't give a **, since fixing things is taking a backseat once again to adding new things, in turn breaking more things. But since this is "hand holding" and turning into a e-peen contest on who signed up for Eve first, all this is for ** anyway
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.12.15 07:20:00 - [9] Originally by: Kaalixia I don't see how this qualifies as "holding hands" There's been issues with these damn things since they were put in game, and the constant and ever-present attitude from CCP has been "well, we don't know why it doesn't work" I have to post with an alt since it's been ordered not to flag my alliance as having these problems (although I very sure we're not the only ones) It's amazing, the petitions have been very thorough and detailed, and after months (yes, months) of having them broken after DT the solution we get? Move them to another system. Then when they broke in that system, it was back and forth "dunno, we'll get back to you" and all of this was before the big fiasco Trinity. Now? Don't give a **, since fixing things is taking a backseat once again to adding new things, in turn breaking more things. But since this is "hand holding" and turning into a e-peen contest on who signed up for Eve first, all this is for anyway Your own selfish need to have your issues fixed blinds you to the overall picture. EVE is not going to explode because jumpbridges aren't working, nor is it going to explode because whatever else deep-0.0 alliances and corps feel is broken. Notice how fast they picked up on the boot.ini problem? CCP is not full of **s, your issue is very low on the overall stack-o-** they need to debug. If you can't handle the logistics of keeping your POS or whatever up and running without bridges, than you shouldn't be owning POS's.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.12.15 07:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Derovius Vaden If you can't handle the logistics of keeping your POS or whatever up and running without bridges, than you shouldn't be owning POS's. The whole idea of jump bridges was to extend logistics, if they are broken it leaves alliances in the crap. --------------------------------------- Output folder: C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE Delete file: \boot.ini Extract: boot.ini... 100%
Kaalixia	Posted - 2007.12.15 18:06:00 - [11] Derovius, I'll give the JB issue a 7/10 of importance. Now why is that? This is all logistics: Carriers, even though for over a year we were able to use them as logistics support, are no longer viable for that role. Rorquals cannot move industy-related gear just the same as Carriers can no longer. Jump Freighters are still weeks and multi-billions of ISK away. That leaves us three steps backwards in the development of long-range logistics. Even though this is a "sandbox" game and yet we're being dictated how exactly to use certain ships (sorry, it's still a sore point the whole carrier bull) we were supposed to be further ahead in projecting power with the improvements we've had/have to deep space logistics. So yes, even though me, you, and many others remember the good ol days of hauling before rigs and Freighters and Jump Bridges, we should be working smarter, not harder, and the game should reflect that. When you break something along the lines of the JBs it's not about whining that life is no longer easy! It's ignoring the fact we have some serious logistics issues that are being glossed over and we've collectively stepped back a few years in terms of getting things from point A to point Z. It's not game-ending but by Crom it's still important.
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.12.15 18:54:00 - [12] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Why do players insist on having devs hold their hands and stroke their hair when something breaks? Act your age and deal with what you're dealt. As long as someones told the devs there is an issue, what is nagging them going to do but prolong the fix? I guess you havent seenall the threads whining about how the amarr recons needed a nerf to NOS? Or maybe all the "nerf sensor damp" whine threads? Yeh, starting threads on eve-o about "game breaking" issues doesnt get anything changed. You know what you're talking about.
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.12.15 18:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Your own selfish need to have your issues fixed blinds you to the overall picture. EVE is not going to explode because jumpbridges aren't working, nor is it going to explode because whatever else deep-0.0 alliances and corps feel is broken. Notice how fast they picked up on the boot.ini problem? CCP is not full of ****s, your issue is very low on the overall stack-o-** they need to debug. If you can't handle the logistics of keeping your POS or whatever up and running without bridges, than you shouldn't be owning POS's. Wait, so you dont think theres anything wrong with this, eh? Let's See, CCP introduces a POS module that eases 0.0 logistics. CCP accidentally breaks these modules (for which a serious dependence was created by their implementation) and now you're telling us that we should just sit on our hands and not ask for it to be fixed? Get over yourself, get off your high horse, and knock the chip off your shoulder b/c you have no idea what you're on about.
Kumq uat Gallente Round Table Enterprises DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.12.15 19:21:00 - [14] Wow, you mean you come back for a few months then leave for a year then. Congrats. I have been with the game since Exodus but have played it since then. www.eve-pirate.com author and goat molestor.
xttz GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.15 19:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Why do players insist on having devs hold their hands and stroke their hair when something breaks? Act your age and deal with what you're dealt. As long as someones told the devs there is an issue, what is nagging them going to do but prolong the fix? Imagine that alliance X has a large number of POSes that will run out of fuel over the coming week. Trinity removed the ability to resupply these via carriers. Trinity broke the ability to resupply via quick jumpbridge/freighter convoys. Trinity introduced jump freighters which are still months from initial deployment. Now alliance X directors are wondering what the expected timeframe on jumpbridge fixes are, so they know if alternative fueling arrangements need to be made to compensate for Trinity's sweeping changes. In what way is that an unreasonable request?

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.12.15 21:46:00 - [16] Have you sent in a bug report for this issue? I was not aware of this problem and can't find any defects on it. We have reproduced what looks like the issue described here but to make sure I would appreciate detailed bug reports. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Kumq uat Gallente Round Table Enterprises DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.12.15 22:00:00 - [17] THats odd, I was told CCP was aware of the issue. The issue of jump bridges only working for the corp that put them up and not for the alliance. Has been broke since Trinity came out. www.eve-pirate.com author and goat molestor.
deveus	Posted - 2007.12.15 22:02:00 - [18] Edited by: deveus on 15/12/2007 22:03:11 Originally by: CCP Explorer Have you sent in a bug report for this issue? I was not aware of this problem and can't find any defects on it. We have reproduced what looks like the issue described here but to make sure I would appreciate detailed bug reports. I'm 100% positive that there's an outstanding defect for it. Someone posted the defect number on our internal forums. Would you like it? e: well, either that or the note on the bug report from the test team was wrong
clone 1 Laughing Leprechauns Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.15 22:12:00 - [19] Originally by: CCP Explorer Have you sent in a bug report for this issue? I was not aware of this problem and can't find any defects on it. We have reproduced what looks like the issue described here but to make sure I would appreciate detailed bug reports. Linkage Quote: Jump bridges will not function if they are located in a system that has not been loaded yet. Please contact Customer Support via a petition if you encounter this problem. Jump bridges are only usable by the owning corporation, regardless of settings. Jump bridges only work one way. We need more information about this. Scary Always Moaning About Race Retardations
farfrael	Posted - 2007.12.15 22:32:00 - [20] Edited by: farfrael on 15/12/2007 22:35:50 Originally by: deveus Edited by: deveus on 15/12/2007 22:03:11 I'm 100% positive that there's an outstanding defect for it. Someone posted the defect number on our internal forums. Would you like it? it is indeed http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/knownissues.asp # Jump bridges are only usable by the owning corporation, regardless of settings Now, which one of you nasty people hacked the page to add this issue to the list so that CCP's software director can have egg all over his face?

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.12.15 22:35:00 - [21] Please file detailed bug reports on this issue and request the report be attached to defect #23490. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Kaalixia	Posted - 2007.12.15 22:45:00 - [22] Originally by: CCP Explorer Have you sent in a bug report for this issue? I was not aware of this problem and can't find any defects on it. We have reproduced what looks like the issue described here but to make sure I would appreciate detailed bug reports. We have, Exp, and this is the order that it has happened: Shortly after anchoring our first JB, it goes offline after downtime. Over the period of a week, with help from a couple GMs, we repeatedly have it "fixed". Then, it starts going non-linked at random times. A GM destroys the JB, and places a new one. The problem continues off and on for a few more weeks. Then, it breaks a final time and yet another GM says we should place the JB in a new solar system altogether. We were told that there was a "ghost" image of the first JB that a GM destroyed that was causing the issues. We had, before moving the JB, placed it at different POSs in the same original system and it still would break, usually after downtime. We moved the JB to the next door system and yet again, it breaks down. All told, we have spent literally days worth of time just on this network, onlining and offlining and linking and unlinking. And this was all before the Trinity patch. What the main problem seems to be is that there is no cross-communication from in-game GMs with you guys on the Dev side. Do any of our petitions and resultant answers/"fixes" get passed on to you guys? Can I, working with the other guys in my alliance who have spent all this time strewn across multiple timezones, provide all the details and communiques and all that we've done on our end and find a resolution to this other than "move it to another POS and try again" or "move it to a new system and try that"? I can compile as much as I can into a bugreport but please understand that at this point, Trinity issues notwithstanding, we have exausted almost endless hours of work both writing, chatting, and trying the many fixes your GMs have advised us to do so if I'm a bit jaded about a resolution please just bear with me on that :( It's just been a long time...

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.12.15 22:51:00 - [23] Edited by: CCP Explorer on 15/12/2007 22:52:00 Originally by: Kaalixia I can compile as much as I can into a bugreport but please understand that at this point, Trinity issues notwithstanding, we have exausted almost endless hours of work both writing, chatting, and trying the many fixes your GMs have advised us to do so if I'm a bit jaded about a resolution please just bear with me on that :( It's just been a long time... Please do, I'm all for having these issues fixed (which is why I'm reading the forums on a Saturday evening gathering information). We have a task force currently working on POS issues; it includes GMs and Devs, so there is a central place to channel all these reports. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Yohanes Flame Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.15 22:55:00 - [24] Originally by: CCP Explorer Have you sent in a bug report for this issue? I was not aware of this problem and can't find any defects on it. We have reproduced what looks like the issue described here but to make sure I would appreciate detailed bug reports. Was this a joke? ____________________________ One Thead to rule them all - Boot.ini pre-patch thread
Pinza Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.15 22:57:00 - [25] Did I just read three threads from CCP devs saying they are not aware of the issue? Someone, please tell me I am wrong. Please...
Ospo	Posted - 2007.12.15 23:02:00 - [26] I am curious as to wether it is the JumpBridge (The CORP only bug) or a problem with the starbase forcefield password. Which would explain why it is corp only. But not forgetting to include a mix of other JumpBridge bugs in the mix. I hardly read the forums, If I saw tons of feedback on the JB related bugs, im sure atleast one staff member has...
Yohanes Flame Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.15 23:06:00 - [27] I believe the concern is that CCP added a logistical game mechanic to the equation and so 0.0 pilots incorporated it. Well then they changed a logistical game mechanic with carriers logistics capabilities and what happens is it has amplified the issue of no jump bridges 10 fold. ____________________________ One Thead to rule them all - Boot.ini pre-patch thread
Futher Bezluden Minmatar ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.15 23:07:00 - [28] Nice job CCP on Nerfinity, screw 0.0 logistics with carrier/rorqual nerf, fubar the jump bridges, then claim no knowledge of the problem. Give it another week and it'll be a feature. BTW: Fix Claw lock range, Nerf Poly/ODJ, Boost Active Shield Tanking, Boost Target Painters, and create a real Minmatar offensive EWAR system like a MWD disruptor. THUKKER -Be Paranoid Skeet Skeet L33t
tyrol E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.12.15 23:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Pinza Edited by: Pinza on 15/12/2007 23:00:21 Did I just read three threads from CCP devs saying they are not aware of the issue? Someone, please tell me I am wrong. Please... EDIT: Hint: http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/knownissues.asp Post-Deployment Issues Jump bridges are only usable by the owning corporation, regardless of settings. i was just wondering that, have i read it wrong?
mishkof Caldari Shadows of Valor Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.16 00:49:00 - [30] Originally by: CCP Explorer Have you sent in a bug report for this issue? I was not aware of this problem and can't find any defects on it. We have reproduced what looks like the issue described here but to make sure I would appreciate detailed bug reports. Fail. I own a T2 BPO and have a Capital alt. Please hate/troll/smack me.
Rhaegor Stormborn Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.12.16 00:56:00 - [31] Jump bridges were a terrible idea anyway. They have made space way too small. Remove them, that will solve the issues. Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Volition Cult
Haurik Tagelston	Posted - 2007.12.16 01:39:00 - [32] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Jump bridges were a terrible idea anyway. They have made space way too small. Remove them, that will solve the issues. Yep, first WTZ, then jumpbridges (+ more players are joining TQ every day)
Van Steiza Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.16 01:39:00 - [33] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Jump bridges were a terrible idea anyway. They have made space way too small. Remove them, that will solve the issues. Go take ur small fail of n alliance and jump in a river. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Nilithiel	Posted - 2007.12.16 01:44:00 - [34] heh... nice going in ccp.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.12.16 02:31:00 - [35] Originally by: CCP Explorer Have you sent in a bug report for this issue? I was not aware of this problem and can't find any defects on it. We have reproduced what looks like the issue described here but to make sure I would appreciate detailed bug reports. OMG, OMG. I still remember the lats time a GM said something similar: The infamous Drone Regions Ore problem... (8 months for the Devs to realize the community was right, and the ore was not respawning... Which was obvious from the very first week) Will it happen again? Luckily, this is affecting everyone, and not just a localized faction/alliance/coalition... So it will get checked, I`m sure.
Moonminer	Posted - 2007.12.16 04:09:00 - [36] Edited by: Moonminer on 16/12/2007 04:11:17 Edited by: Moonminer on 16/12/2007 04:10:07 Damn and you people wonder why Dev/GMs don't respond more often to threads... get a clue. Its crap like has been written here which discourages them from posting more often. Post something productive to help resolve the problem rather than complain to him. I realise many of you are frustrated with the bugs that came with Trinity and before. I'm sure they are working their hardest to fix them. There were a tone of issues that came down with the latest patch and they can't all be fixed with the blink of an eye. As much as we all wish they could be.
mishkof Caldari Shadows of Valor Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.16 04:20:00 - [37] Originally by: Moonminer Edited by: Moonminer on 16/12/2007 04:11:17 Edited by: Moonminer on 16/12/2007 04:10:07 Damn and you people wonder why Dev/GMs don't respond more often to threads... get a clue. Its crap like has been written here which discourages them from posting more often. Post something productive to help resolve the problem rather than complain to him. I realise many of you are frustrated with the bugs that came with Trinity and before. I'm sure they are working their hardest to fix them. There were a tone of issues that came down with the latest patch and they can't all be fixed with the blink of an eye. As much as we all wish they could be. Sure thing altboy. The afore mantioned dev response displaying the fact they dont know about the issue in the first place really solidifies your point. I own a T2 BPO and have a Capital alt. Please hate/troll/smack me.
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.12.16 04:26:00 - [38] Originally by: mishkof Originally by: Moonminer Edited by: Moonminer on 16/12/2007 04:11:17 Edited by: Moonminer on 16/12/2007 04:10:07 Damn and you people wonder why Dev/GMs don't respond more often to threads... get a clue. Its crap like has been written here which discourages them from posting more often. Post something productive to help resolve the problem rather than complain to him. I realise many of you are frustrated with the bugs that came with Trinity and before. I'm sure they are working their hardest to fix them. There were a tone of issues that came down with the latest patch and they can't all be fixed with the blink of an eye. As much as we all wish they could be. Sure thing altboy. The afore mantioned dev response displaying the fact they dont know about the issue in the first place really solidifies your point. How do they not know? ppl have had petitions about bridges since 20 minutes after trinity went live. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master Which is worse.. the Carebear or the pirate that whines about them?
Westly Synpa GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.16 04:27:00 - [39] Originally by: Moonminer Edited by: Moonminer on 16/12/2007 04:11:17 Edited by: Moonminer on 16/12/2007 04:10:07 Damn and you people wonder why Dev/GMs don't respond more often to threads... get a clue. Its crap like has been written here which discourages them from posting more often. Post something productive to help resolve the problem rather than complain to him. I realise many of you are frustrated with the bugs that came with Trinity and before. I'm sure they are working their hardest to fix them. There were a tone of issues that came down with the latest patch and they can't all be fixed with the blink of an eye. As much as we all wish they could be. You have to flame them when they are being stupid to get a resonse if you look posts with flames are the ones that get responses the fastest.
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.16 04:50:00 - [40] Originally by: CCP Explorer Have you sent in a bug report for this issue? I was not aware of this problem and can't find any defects on it. We have reproduced what looks like the issue described here but to make sure I would appreciate detailed bug reports. How can you NOT be aware of this problem? I have, and I suspect MANY MANY MANY people have sent petitions asking this be fixed? Do you not have some sort of escalation procedure for petitions when things are clearly broken? ----------- HI IM DUCKMONSTER VOTE DUCKMONSTER IK OF CAOD 07 Leave my goddam sig alone valorem
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.16 05:00:00 - [41] Originally by: CCP Explorer Have you sent in a bug report for this issue? I was not aware of this problem and can't find any defects on it. We have reproduced what looks like the issue described here but to make sure I would appreciate detailed bug reports. HAHA. GOT FORUM SEARCH? I thought you guys 'read the forums on a regular basis' Your killing me... you have got to be joking, right? Guess we know the devs 'rarely' read the boards.
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.12.16 05:10:00 - [42] Originally by: CCP Explorer Have you sent in a bug report for this issue? I was not aware of this problem and can't find any defects on it. We have reproduced what looks like the issue described here but to make sure I would appreciate detailed bug reports. EPIC.....FREAKIN......FAIL!!!!! Funny how you say you're reading the boards on a saturday, what about the rest of the week?????? Theres been COUNTLESS threads, petitions, and bug reports sent. How muchare theypaying you over there to sit on your tail and come up with this form letter of a response? Get the hell in to gear and start reading through your OWN threads about this issue instead of giving cookie cutter answers on this issue.
Morn Judith Caldari Incognito Inc	Posted - 2007.12.16 05:51:00 - [43] Originally by: Khanid Kutie Originally by: CCP Explorer Have you sent in a bug report for this issue? I was not aware of this problem and can't find any defects on it. We have reproduced what looks like the issue described here but to make sure I would appreciate detailed bug reports. EPIC.....FREAKIN......FAIL!!!!! Funny how you say you're reading the boards on a saturday, what about the rest of the week?????? Theres been COUNTLESS threads, petitions, and bug reports sent. How muchare theypaying you over there to sit on your tail and come up with this form letter of a response? Get the hell in to gear and start reading through your OWN threads about this issue instead of giving cookie cutter answers on this issue. You're kidding, right? Really, please be kidding. You do realize that he works for CCP, and thus gets paid when hes AT work, Monday through Friday, therefore on Saturday, when he's AT HOME, reading the forums, that he is NOT getting paid? So, he is sitting at home technically working, and not getting paid. This man is doing this for us, and you're bagging on him? What in the hell kind of person are you? He doesn't spend time on the forums at work because he is working on fixing the problems. Can you understand this? Give the man a break, be thankful he isn't chasing those beautiful Icelandic women around, and shut up. Please. Originally by: Tarminic I WANT A THRONE MADE OF MY OWN CORPSES.
Xalorn Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.16 05:58:00 - [44] Originally by: CCP Explorer Have you sent in a bug report for this issue? I was not aware of this problem and can't find any defects on it. We have reproduced what looks like the issue described here but to make sure I would appreciate detailed bug reports. http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/knownissues.asp "Jump bridges are only usable by the owning corporation, regardless of settings." How does the "Software Director" not know of an issue listed on his own Known Issues page?
Caia Gallente Scrutari The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.12.16 06:04:00 - [45] Yeah, way too go guys. Make sure Devs stop posting altogether. By all means keep jumping in him when he was ASKED to respond. Adapt more, whine less.
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.16 06:25:00 - [46] Originally by: Caia Yeah, way too go guys. Make sure Devs stop posting altogether. By all means keep jumping in him when he was ASKED to respond. Some research before posting would have paid off. If this was not such a big deal to so many people he might have come thru it a little cleaner. Problem is that it is obvious that one guy does not know what the other is doing in the development team.
Westly Synpa GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.16 06:53:00 - [47] Originally by: Caia Yeah, way too go guys. Make sure Devs stop posting altogether. By all means keep jumping in him when he was ASKED to respond. people paided to devlope a game should be devloping the game not doing w/e the ** they did last patch causse it was absolute **.
Trinity Faetal 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.12.16 08:01:00 - [48] thats odd i don't seem to have any problem with jump bridges at all. . I see their pain, on some level i even understand their pain... i just can't feel their pain.
Tenshiin Duragon Pioneer Group	Posted - 2007.12.16 08:14:00 - [49] Edited by: Tenshiin on 16/12/2007 08:14:24 Jumpbridges work only for the corporation that OWNS them, not for the whole alliance. It was even stated in the trinity known issues the day after the release, I mean damn... How could you guys not know about it? It doesn't make sense. http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/knownissues.asp "Post-Deployment Issues" "Jump bridges are only usable by the owning corporation, regardless of settings."
Thaneal Swiftbird	Posted - 2007.12.16 08:28:00 - [50] Originally by: duckmonster How can you NOT be aware of this problem? I have, and I suspect MANY MANY MANY people have sent petitions asking this be fixed? Do you not have some sort of escalation procedure for petitions when things are clearly broken? Actually they really don¦t. I was told by a GM that GameMasters in eve have no way to escalate information about bugs/design flaws to the devs. Said GM asked me to post in the game development forum instead. That was long before Trinity and the chaos it brought. Go figure.
Bund GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.16 08:52:00 - [51] Originally by: CCP Explorer Edited by: CCP Explorer on 15/12/2007 22:52:00 Originally by: Kaalixia I can compile as much as I can into a bugreport but please understand that at this point, Trinity issues notwithstanding, we have exausted almost endless hours of work both writing, chatting, and trying the many fixes your GMs have advised us to do so if I'm a bit jaded about a resolution please just bear with me on that :( It's just been a long time... Please do, I'm all for having these issues fixed (which is why I'm reading the forums on a Saturday evening gathering information). We have a task force currently working on POS issues; it includes GMs and Devs, so there is a central place to channel all these reports. The fact that this defect isn't near the top of your priority list is an indication that there is a very serious breakdown somewhere in your current bug process. In addition to actually resolving the Jump Bridge problem itself, it would probably be good to take a second look at the process you have in place for dealing with game-breaking problems like these. Everyone in 0.0 who has jump bridges has been screaming about this problem since the moment the servers came up with Trinity. It isn't reassuring to learn that this is the first you're hearing of it, 10 days after the patch.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.16 08:57:00 - [52] It's a sound communication strategy, until you get caught I suppose. - Recruitment open again-
Helen coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.16 09:04:00 - [53] Originally by: Trinity Faetal thats odd i don't seem to have any problem with jump bridges at all. First pod pilot to lose a Mothership in EvE... err woo
Bo Bojangles Minmatar High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.16 09:04:00 - [54] .... Maybe this guy was on vacation or something. But fix it please,.. I'm way past the point of screaming from people logging in and asking the same,.. 'JB's back up yet?'
farfrael	Posted - 2007.12.16 11:03:00 - [55] Edited by: farfrael on 16/12/2007 11:04:15 Originally by: Tobias Sjodin It's a sound communication strategy, until you get caught I suppose. Lies, lies. it's all lies Somebody feels like doing a photoshop of good old Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf? I'd use it as my sig (the first one in 3 years of playing !) " There are NO bugs in Trinity! There never was any ! What you see is not a bug!
Al'hayat Wolflord Minmatar	Posted - 2007.12.16 11:36:00 - [56] Originally by: CCP Explorer Edited by: CCP Explorer on 15/12/2007 22:52:00 Originally by: Kaalixia I can compile as much as I can into a bugreport but please understand that at this point, Trinity issues notwithstanding, we have exausted almost endless hours of work both writing, chatting, and trying the many fixes your GMs have advised us to do so if I'm a bit jaded about a resolution please just bear with me on that :( It's just been a long time... Please do, I'm all for having these issues fixed (which is why I'm reading the forums on a Saturday evening gathering information). We have a task force currently working on POS issues; it includes GMs and Devs, so there is a central place to channel all these reports. LOLGM Doesn't it occur to you that JBs not working warrants a ban or at least a limitation of POS warfare? People build their entire defense network based upon the Jump Bridge capability. Now it's screwed and yet you happily allow their sovereign regions to be shot to hell.
Fabienne Runestar Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.16 13:17:00 - [57] Not that I want to appologize for CCP here but lets look at it this way. Lead Dev reads the forums on Saturday night. See a problem, that might not be high on his personal radar. Then responds to it. Just because he is not personally aware of the problem doesn't mean CCP is not working on it. The problem is just outside of his scope of personal knowledge. He's not at the office. He can't call out to Ulf, and say "Ulf, do we have a problem with Jumpbridges?" He doesn't probably have the ability to check on bug reports, because that would require local access to the internal CCP network. He may or may not have VPN access to. So what does he do? He posts to the forum asking if a bug report had been filed. when he sees that it has he asks that they be attached to a defect #, that he probably pulled from his work e-mail. Then again, I could be wrong, and welp... --- Eve has taught me that Evil will always triumph, because Good is mysteriously unable to log in to defend it's assets.
Raevenor Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.16 13:43:00 - [58] Edited by: Raevenor on 16/12/2007 13:43:48 Man CCP sure can keep track of which of their dev's play the game and what alliances they are in but don't realize that Jump Bridges are broken? Jesus, what the hell i know this is your first game and all but the dev's statement above is an absolute lie and you guys know its a lie. You knew all along but the pressure finally built up and 'welp' guess you finally have to do something when every 0.0 alliance in the game with multiple corps not being able to use jump bridges properly since Trinity suddenly brought it to your attention recently? Bull***, at least be honest with us, its not hard. You know like 'Yes, we know there is currently an issue with Jump Bridges we are working on it' or something to that effect. But saying out right WE HAD NO IDEA until recently? What the christ? This has to be a troll right? Yep, has to be, theres no other way to explain it. sips Mojito*
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.12.16 14:04:00 - [59] Originally by: Bo Bojangles .... Maybe this guy was on vacation or something. But fix it please,.. I'm way past the point of screaming from people logging in and asking the same,.. 'JB's back up yet?' Dude, its a problem, and for those serious into logistics, its a serious problem. If you understand this, why are you screaming?
Sin mez	Posted - 2007.12.16 14:16:00 - [60] Originally by: Xalorn Originally by: CCP Explorer Have you sent in a bug report for this issue? I was not aware of this problem and can't find any defects on it. We have reproduced what looks like the issue described here but to make sure I would appreciate detailed bug reports. http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/knownissues.asp "Jump bridges are only usable by the owning corporation, regardless of settings." How does the "Software Director" not know of an issue listed on his own Known Issues page? QFT
zilllii Midas Tycho	Posted - 2007.12.16 14:19:00 - [61] Edited by: zilllii on 16/12/2007 14:18:47 dont you see the obvious logic in disabling jump bridges by CCP? non working jump bridges + carrier cargospace nerf = they want you to get jump freighters for 8-12billions

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.12.16 14:26:00 - [62] I've been able to locate 8 bug reports on this particular issue, most of which were reported on 14 Dec. This issue had not reached the software development team at the time I read about the issue on the forums (a day after the defect was created). I re-assigned the defect to the software development team, we re-produced the problem and fixed it, I increased the defect's priority to High/Critical, sent in a request to include the fix in Trinity 1.0.1, and let's see what happens on Monday if we are able to get the fix in. I appreciate the positive feedback, constructive criticism and helpful suggestions. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Al'hayat Wolflord Minmatar	Posted - 2007.12.16 14:40:00 - [63] Originally by: CCP Explorer I've been able to locate 8 bug reports on this particular issue, most of which were reported on 14 Dec. This issue had not reached the software development team at the time I read about the issue on the forums (a day after the defect was created). I re-assigned the defect to the software development team, we re-produced the problem and fixed it, I increased the defect's priority to High/Critical, sent in a request to include the fix in Trinity 1.0.1, and let's see what happens on Monday if we are able to get the fix in. I appreciate the positive feedback, constructive criticism and helpful suggestions. Now that we have an official admission (another one) that the problem exists and is severe, can we PLEASE get the POS warfare declared invalid and get all the stuff reimbursed/reversed?
Fabienne Runestar Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.16 14:41:00 - [64] Originally by: CCP Explorer I've been able to locate 8 bug reports on this particular issue, most of which were reported on 14 Dec. This issue had not reached the software development team at the time I read about the issue on the forums (a day after the defect was created). I re-assigned the defect to the software development team, we re-produced the problem and fixed it, I increased the defect's priority to High/Critical, sent in a request to include the fix in Trinity 1.0.1, and let's see what happens on Monday if we are able to get the fix in. I appreciate the positive feedback, constructive criticism and helpful suggestions. Thank you! Many Alliances will thank you if this happens. Still concerned that it was mentioned in the post patch release, as an issue but nobody was working on it. :P --- Eve has taught me that Evil will always triumph, because Good is mysteriously unable to log in to defend it's assets.
Suboran Gallente Sphinx Inc Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.12.16 14:47:00 - [65] Originally by: Futher Bezluden create a real Minmatar offensive EWAR system like a MWD disruptor. Its called a stasis webifier, minmatar recon ships have a bonus to it
farfrael	Posted - 2007.12.16 15:01:00 - [66] Originally by: CCP Explorer I've been able to locate 8 bug reports on this particular issue, most of which were reported on 14 Dec. This issue had not reached the software development team at the time I read about the issue on the forums (a day after the defect was created). I re-assigned the defect to the software development team, we re-produced the problem and fixed it, I increased the defect's priority to High/Critical, sent in a request to include the fix in Trinity 1.0.1, and let's see what happens on Monday if we are able to get the fix in. I appreciate the positive feedback, constructive criticism and helpful suggestions. Thank you for taking the time to keep us updated. Now for some more positive criticism, would it be possible for CCP to conduct a review of the way bug tracking is handled? How is it possible to have a known issue list produced by CCP include a specific, very easy to reproduce and very obvious bug for anybody in a 0.0 alliance and still we are told "This issue had not reached the software development team at the time I read about the issue on the forums" i.e. yesterday. How many more of these very obvious, very easy to reproduce and painful bugs "have not reached the software development team" despite being acknowledged as existing? And what happened to the claim that "CCP devs HAVE to play the game to see the impact of changes"? Is nobody in the dev team member of a 0.0 alliance with jump bridges? Even without counting "Miscellaneous" items, the known issues list has 100+ items in it. Similar to your dev blog "about the boot.ini issue", could you please provide an update explaining what CCP is doing about these issues (if anything)? Clearly today there is a complete disconnect within CCP, i.e. somebody, somewhere is keeping that known issues list updated but the dev team is not aware of it. Now, there's nothing we can do on your side of things apart from asking questions and hoping something will be done. On the other hand, there's a community of 40k active players who want that game to get better: take advantage of it and use it! Tell us what you need from the community to make the bug finding/testing/reporting process easier/faster/more streamlined. Communicate, do something to engage with us.
WrathOfOprah Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.16 15:28:00 - [67] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Tenshiin The patch notes don't mention anything about fixing jumpbridges for alliance-wide use. Can we at least get a statement, or even some sort of hint that this problem is at least known and possibly being looked at? Thanks, keep up the good work. Why do players insist on having devs hold their hands and stroke their hair when something breaks? Act your age and deal with what you're dealt. As long as someones told the devs there is an issue, what is nagging them going to do but prolong the fix? Look at you. Don't you look dumb now.
xttz GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.16 15:31:00 - [68] I invite any dev to join GoonFleet ingame so we can demonstrate the multiple issues with jumpbridges all over our space. Various jump bridge problems have gone on since they were first introduced, and I don't see them being fixed for good without devs experiencing the issues first-hand in a live environment.
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2007.12.16 16:24:00 - [69] Wait. There haven't been any working bridges for anyone outside the owning corps since dec 6th, it takes until the 15th before anyone notices, despite dozens if not hundreds of petitions, thousands of posts and dozens of threads. Mentions on it in all the POS warfare prohibited threads etc etc etc... And no one knew about it ? Where do these GM's work ? On a different continent to the developers ? None ever get the inkling to ask a dev what the status is on fixing an issue they have seen petition after petiton about ? Who looks at the known issues list if not the people that are supposed to fix them? Why has it taken 9 days to discover it then only 1 day to fix ? ... eek! ! ! ! ! ! ! I don't think you will have to worry about lack of bug reports, forum threads or petitions about such matters again. No matter how long they appear on the known issues list I will be sure to petition, bug report and start a thread about them 3 times a day until they are fixed. You have no idea how much this issue has hurt some people. I appreciate sometimes things take time to fix, but taking so long for the people fixing them to discover despite the huge general awareness of the issue....
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2007.12.16 17:16:00 - [70] Edited by: Admiral Nova on 16/12/2007 17:15:55 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=652358&page=1#9 ^ Bug Reports were also submitted immediately after the patch, and we were told that you knew about it and were working on it..... Please review your process for handling bug reports, since you seem to have 'lost' them while tripping over Boot.ini's.
Al'hayat Wolflord Minmatar	Posted - 2007.12.16 17:25:00 - [71] Originally by: Admiral Nova Edited by: Admiral Nova on 16/12/2007 17:15:55 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=652358&page=1#9 ^ Bug Reports were also submitted immediately after the patch, and we were told that you knew about it and were working on it..... Please review your process for handling bug reports, since you seem to have 'lost' them while tripping over Boot.ini's. Now that is what we call OWNED. GG CCP :(
alpheon Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.16 18:36:00 - [72] http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/ Jira, use it, love it. Quote: Tracking and managing the issues and bugs that emerge during a project is a critically important task, but one that few teams do effectively. JIRA is a bug tracking, issue tracking, and project management application developed to make this process easier for your team. JIRA has been designed with a focus on task achievement, is instantly usable and is flexible to work with. http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/testimonials.jsp I hope everything gets worked out sooner rather then later.
Max Tyrris DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.16 20:13:00 - [73] Edited by: Max Tyrris on 16/12/2007 20:17:36 http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/knownissues.asp Quote: EVE: Trinity Known Issues The list below is the current list of known issues as of 6th December 2007. Build 45017 Post-Deployment Issues Jump bridges are only usable by the owning corporation, regardless of settings. So err... huh? Someone in CCP obviously knew about this issue long before December 14th.
Captain Campion Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.12.16 20:29:00 - [74] in the wave of 'you missed my bug report'... i'd like to see custom windowed resolutions reinstated, ur not supposed to remove features in an expansion.
hUssmann Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.12.16 20:58:00 - [75] Originally by: CCP Explorer I was not aware of this problem and can't find any defects on it Where did you try looking? Past your nose is always a good start. Try there. Ginger Magician > You are merely an effective ganker of haulers who runs at the first sign of combat.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.12.16 20:59:00 - [76] Originally by: farfrael Thank you for taking the time to keep us updated. Now for some more positive criticism, would it be possible for CCP to conduct a review of the way bug tracking is handled? The reason this kind of slipped under the radar internally is that after the release of Trinity then starbases did not start up properly, which caused some pretty weird problems with POS and jump bridges in general. This issue was probably assumed to be a part of that overall problem that was fixed last Monday but is in fact a different issue. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games


CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.12.16 21:22:00 - [77] Originally by: xttz I invite any dev to join GoonFleet ingame so we can demonstrate the multiple issues with jumpbridges all over our space. Various jump bridge problems have gone on since they were first introduced, and I don't see them being fixed for good without devs experiencing the issues first-hand in a live environment. I'll pass your contact information on to the task force that is now looking at POS issues (to prevent any kind of misunderstanding and tinfoilery, we will not "join" your corp but will use our official CCP characters to contact you for information). In addition to fixing the issue described in thread but we have also obtained server logs for the issue when jump bridges randomly unlink at DT, by using information provided to us by players. Knowing in detail which structures are experiencing problems helps us in locating the necessary server information. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Yohanes Flame Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.16 21:33:00 - [78] Explorer. Thank you. These last two post are exactly what the community want to hear. ____________________________ One Thead to rule them all - Boot.ini pre-patch thread
farfrael	Posted - 2007.12.16 21:52:00 - [79] Edited by: farfrael on 16/12/2007 21:53:12 Originally by: CCP Explorer The reason this kind of slipped under the radar internally is that after the release of Trinity then starbases did not start up properly, which caused some pretty weird problems with POS and jump bridges in general. This issue was probably assumed to be a part of that overall problem that was fixed last Monday but is in fact a different issue. Thank you for the feedback. Both posts appreciated. More interaction like this would go a long way towards creating (more) goodwill in favor of CCP You mention that the issue "was probably assumed to be part of the overall problem". In other words, nobody had the time/energy/willpower to actually check if the update on Monday fixed this particular bug. I believe you should not have to assume anything about bugs in your software. In keeping with unwanted but nonetheless offered suggestions: - upgrade your bug tracking software. it seems somewhat lacking at the moment. Plenty of good ones out there - put somebody at CCP officially in charge of tracking bugs. Somebody keeping updated the list of bugs, following-up on them, making sure the bug fixes did work. i.e. if a bug is assumed to have been resolved, contact the people who bug reported it, contact the people who filled a petition about it and ask them if indeed this specific bug has been resolved by the latest patch. It is a low-skilled and time intensive job. It doesn't have to be a highly ranked or even well paid person, just get an intern (or a temp or whatever) to do the grunt work but with 100+ acknowledged issues currently outstanding SOMETHING needs to be done. Fast.
Caine Rebirth	Posted - 2007.12.16 22:06:00 - [80] Wow this is awesome, this level of customer service is what makes folks understanding when issues do come up. I dont think this often about CCP but nice job!
Vishous Port Royal Independent Kontractors Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.12.16 22:17:00 - [81] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: farfrael Thank you for taking the time to keep us updated. Now for some more positive criticism, would it be possible for CCP to conduct a review of the way bug tracking is handled? The reason this kind of slipped under the radar internally is that after the release of Trinity then starbases did not start up properly, which caused some pretty weird problems with POS and jump bridges in general. This issue was probably assumed to be a part of that overall problem that was fixed last Monday but is in fact a different issue. Thank you CCP Explorer. You have to understand people, anyone who works at any type of desk job were you have to rely on other people for information, things will get lost. I work at a job building "high reliability" equipment. Even thou I am certainly not up on the food chain, I often hear times were very important information does not make it to the higher ups do to mis-communications and assumptions (assuming things is very bad in the corporate world). What most likely happened was with the boot.ini and pos not working, the jump bridge bug did not receive high enough priority and got lost in the other things that were put on the back burner. As for CCP Explorer said earlier, he was in on a Saturday reading the forums. Look at his title "Software Director". That means that it's not his job to go surfing and filter threw all the crap that gets put on the eve-o forums every day. Thou I believe we can all agree, the bug reporting system needs to be streamlined better, you can not call him every rude remark in the book just because this is the first he has heard of this problem while other more important issues were being addressed. CCP Explorer, I would like to apologize on behalf of the EVE-O community for any type of rude comments out of frustration and lack forward thinking. I know I myself have not always been the kindest to thous that work with you (remembering of the "carrier change ideas"). We appreciate you taking the steps needed to help satisfy we who are customers and we very much think your for your patients with us. For I'm sure you have been very VERY patient with us.
Tenshiin Caldari Duragon Pioneer Group GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.16 22:47:00 - [82] Originally by: farfrael Originally by: CCP Explorer The reason this kind of slipped under the radar internally is that after the release of Trinity then starbases did not start up properly, which caused some pretty weird problems with POS and jump bridges in general. This issue was probably assumed to be a part of that overall problem that was fixed last Monday but is in fact a different issue. Thank you for the feedback. Both posts appreciated. More interaction like this would go a long way towards creating (more) goodwill in favor of CCP /signed
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 04:50:00 - [83] Originally by: CCP Explorer I've been able to locate 8 bug reports on this particular issue, most of which were reported on 14 Dec. This issue had not reached the software development team at the time I read about the issue on the forums (a day after the defect was created). I re-assigned the defect to the software development team, we re-produced the problem and fixed it, I increased the defect's priority to High/Critical, sent in a request to include the fix in Trinity 1.0.1, and let's see what happens on Monday if we are able to get the fix in. I appreciate the positive feedback, constructive criticism and helpful suggestions. this is a pretty high priority and we're kind of upset about it in da swarm ok actually the only people who are upset about it are the non-goonfleet corps and who cares about them really lawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwl but more seriously add some angryfaces here and please fix it tia*~~~~~
Wacoede Amarr Allied Combat Team Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.12.17 05:27:00 - [84] Edited by: Wacoede on 17/12/2007 05:27:51 To all those that are complaining at explorer saying "but we filed Petitions" I say: Petitions != Bug Reports Petitions go to the GM team Bug Reports go to the Bug Hunters (and then on to the Devs) its kinda like going to the Personal department of any major company and asking for Marketing Information. They can tell who to go to for that info but they cant get it themselves. so basicly make sure you use the correct system to report bugs and lighten the load on the GM's _______________________________ Originally by: Avery Fatwallet when someone sez "eve is too tuff" standard reply is "can i have stuff?"
Kumq uat Gallente Round Table Enterprises DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.12.17 05:37:00 - [85] Thank you Explorer. I am glad this will be fixed soon. Thanks for keeping us in the loop. www.eve-pirate.com author and goat molestor.
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2007.12.17 06:12:00 - [86] Originally by: Wacoede Edited by: Wacoede on 17/12/2007 05:27:51 To all those that are complaining at explorer saying "but we filed Petitions" I say: Petitions != Bug Reports Bug reports were filed, petitions were filed, threads were created. Aside from fly to Iceland and knock on their door there wasn't anything else the community could have done without being more 'extreme' in their actions.
Mathias Zealot MAIDS	Posted - 2007.12.17 06:48:00 - [87] Let's look at the major things that have been fixed since the deployment of Trinity: boot.ini problems with POS working at all jump bridges not working Pretty much in that order. boot.ini was preventing people's computers from starting at all. That would be an EXTREMELY CRITICAL bug, which is why it was fixed in the middle of the morning there. POS not working at all is a critical bug since it affects anyone with a POS at all, which qualifies as a bit more important than the jump bridges not working, which only affects the POS with jump bridges. the jump bridges, while important, just were not as critical as several other problems the patch introduced because it was pushed out too soon. CCP Explorer is the software director, it's an important position, but he can't know about EVERY glitch and issue that came in with the latest patch. Doubly so with the storm over the first two issues. His reaction and handling of the issue was commendable. Good job, man. you might want to read the known issues page a bit more often though. --- "Come back with your shield, or on it." Originally by: soulkiller3 Can you keep posting pics i need a better FPS
KOTH Fluf Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.17 06:55:00 - [88] I filed my first petition on 2 of my jumpbridge links on October 27th due to the DT link bug, the GMS destroying them and them being bugged for over a month before that. I was told over and over in 3 responses that it would be fixed in Trinity. Now they still continue to go offline daily at DT and we have the new "Feature" of the rest of the alliance not being able to use them. I cant believe this issue has not been seen by CCP as I know the issue has been going on since September. I expect a real good fix this week. Fluf CEO Shiva Morsus Mihi
gordon861 Minmatar Head Insurance Services	Posted - 2007.12.17 14:35:00 - [89] Originally by: Admiral Nova Originally by: Wacoede Edited by: Wacoede on 17/12/2007 05:27:51 To all those that are complaining at explorer saying "but we filed Petitions" I say: Petitions != Bug Reports Bug reports were filed, petitions were filed, threads were created. Aside from fly to Iceland and knock on their door there wasn't anything else the community could have done without being more 'extreme' in their actions. I think the best solution would be for the GMs to escalate any petitions into Bug Reports when it turns out it's not something they can fix. Originally by: CCP Arkanon I frown on employees being power players to the extent that their gameplay results in any sort of domination over others. I donÆt believe CCP employees should run the EVE universe.
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.17 16:27:00 - [90] I'm really glad this issue is being escalated. Currently it is the second most troublesome post-Trinity issue our alliance has (a dramatic increase in the number of random game crashes is the first). "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S. Thompson.
Tenshiin Caldari Duragon Pioneer Group GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.17 17:31:00 - [91] Quote: An issue with Jump Bridges not working for Alliance or corporation members has been identified and resolved. http://myeve.eve-online.com/updates/patchnotes.asp Holy god, YES! Thank you, CCP! <3
Rattus Ranjiniae Rat Lovers Anonymous GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.18 00:08:00 - [92] So do we need to file a bug report about heavy dictors bubbling inside POS shields?

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.12.18 00:16:00 - [93] Edited by: CCP Explorer on 18/12/2007 00:17:30 Originally by: Rattus Ranjiniae So do we need to file a bug report about heavy dictors bubbling inside POS shields? We've heard about this issue, but please file a detailed bug report (including locations, exact dates/times and detailed circumstances) so we have more information to investigate. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Macdeth Ephemeral Misgivings	Posted - 2007.12.18 00:21:00 - [94] Quote: An issue with Jump Bridges not working for Alliance or corporation members has been identified and resolved. Incidentally, does this also mean that characters outside the alliance who possess high standings as well as the starbase password can use the bridges too? They did work this way before, and were used in this manner.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.12.18 00:33:00 - [95] Edited by: CCP Explorer on 18/12/2007 00:36:19 Originally by: Macdeth Quote: An issue with Jump Bridges not working for Alliance or corporation members has been identified and resolved. Incidentally, does this also mean that characters outside the alliance who possess high standings as well as the starbase password can use the bridges too? They did work this way before, and were used in this manner. Yes. The release notes have been updated to "An issue with jump bridges not working for non-corporation members has been identified and resolved." To use a jump bridge you must have the password and must not be on the "shot on sight" list. Corp members automatically qualify but others players that have the password and have sufficient standings can also use the bridge. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Pinza Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.18 03:49:00 - [96] Originally by: CCP Explorer Edited by: CCP Explorer on 18/12/2007 00:37:46 Originally by: Macdeth Quote: An issue with Jump Bridges not working for Alliance or corporation members has been identified and resolved. Incidentally, does this also mean that characters outside the alliance who possess high standings as well as the starbase password can use the bridges too? They did work this way before, and were used in this manner. Yes. The release notes have been updated to "An issue with jump bridges not working for non-corporation members has been identified and resolved." To use a jump bridge you must have the password and must not be on the "shot on sight" list. Corp members automatically qualify but others players that have the password and have sufficient standings can also use the bridge. There are no specific alliance checks and have never been any. Thanks much. In the future, we'll try to bring light to these sort of issues through the forum and bug reporting with more persistence. Cheers, Pinza
Shadowfax2121 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.12.19 06:35:00 - [97] Edited by: Shadowfax2121 on 19/12/2007 06:35:55 Read this whole thread, lots of bashing on the communities part, but overall CCP response was alright. Thanks for keeping everyone updated, Explorer.
SCSPOOK Caldari 16th Interspacial Dynasty	Posted - 2007.12.19 07:14:00 - [98] Some of you need to get a grip. Honestly, I doubt some of you know how good you have it. Ive just come from another large multiplayer sim where bugs have been ignored for 6+ years! When the devs get annoyed with hearing about it, they refuse to enter the entire forum. Not just the thread but the entire forum! They do it for weeks at a time until fanbois start posting tributes and then you get one enter who deflects any questions with regards to the problems and answers nothing. Seriously. I have only been here in Eve for a relatively short time and all I see is the complete opposite of the above from CCP. You guys have it good. I can show you the darkside. It isnt pretty.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.12.19 19:42:00 - [99] Blame it on the beer! Farham: "Remember, sometimes evolution ends in extinction."

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