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Althair Erin
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 17:43:00 -
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In the short time that I have been a player in EVE and a member of Goonswarm, I've observed the incredible amount of hatred and rage that many players feel toward each other, and other corporations. The endless trolling, the smack talk in Local, and a general feeling of contempt between opposing parties. I've seen some few examples of mutual respect, but they appear to be few and far between.
When I fly through space not owned by my Alliance or allies I feel a kind of cold distance between myself and other pilots. No one seems to want to take time to talk before opening up with all guns. Is padding your killboard with my frigate so important, when maybe I just want to talk? Do you feel threatened? My Incursus can't hold a candle to your Vagabond, so why not chat a little? Inter-Alliance communication would be so much more vibrant if there was a greater willingness to communicate.
Where does all this hate come from? I can see that the older generation of players have a long list of grudges and slights and other insults they are trying to avenge, but what about new players? Do we have to adopt the anger and rage of our elders? Should we allow ourselves to be infected by their hate?
I'm not calling for an end to fighting. Most of our ships are designed for the sole purpose of burning other vessels into floating scrap. But wouldn't it be a more beautiful universe if we, the newer generation of players held a greater mutual respect for each other? The hope of the younger generation is their unstained hearts- we haven't had the time to become so jaded or angry that we shut out everyone except our own corporation. We should reach out to each other in the interest of making -everyones- experience better.
Maybe next time you find yourself hovering over the wreck of your enemy, you might try convoing them instead of podding. Who knows, you might make a new friend.
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Dafuzz
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.18 17:44:00 -
[2]
Welp
I get what you are saying
But
no
-Dfz
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Yussef
Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 17:45:00 -
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That was beautiful and food for thought. Sometimes I wish more of us could show our feelings like this.
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LASER WATCHER
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 17:46:00 -
[4]
maybe we should just live and let live _____
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duckmonster
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 17:46:00 -
[5]
great TROLL or GREATEST troll?
You decide. -----------
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rycar
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 17:48:00 -
[6]
tl;dr
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.18 17:51:00 -
[7]
every stranger is a friend you havent met yet, remember that before hitting those F keys
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Boom ChickaBoom
Caldari Friendly Pod Poppers
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Posted - 2007.12.18 17:57:00 -
[8]
WOW, that is the first goon thread that I have read that wasent flaming someone.
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Kichigai Kira
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Posted - 2007.12.18 17:57:00 -
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IÆm looking down into the eyes of hopelessness TheyÆre crying out to me I see the pain itÆs so much more than youth should know It tears me apart What can I do to change what I see This vicious cycle must come to an end
*CHORUS* CanÆt you see, weÆre crushing the hearts of the innocent WeÆre teaching them to fail And how it breaks me to see how weÆre living and punishing the ones that need us to care To see them hurting Feels like knuckles to the back of my head
Where have the days gone that the golden ratio was forever Families stuck together
We wonder why their generation struggles to get by ThereÆs no one to help what can I do to change what I see This vicious cycle must come to an end.
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LASER WATCHER
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom WOW, that is the first goon thread that I have read that wasent flaming someone.
what are you talking about? weve made plenty of serious threads in recent and past times. im sorry if you feel that way _____
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Dafuzz
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom WOW, that is the first goon thread that I have read that wasent flaming someone.
That is because its either a fakepost or a BoB spy
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:03:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Gneeznow every stranger is a friend you havent met yet, remember that before hitting those F keys
But if they end up like you, remember those F keys.
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SunglassesInSpace
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:04:00 -
[13]
this is a really nice idea, maybe CCP could run an event where everyones guns are changed into shield and armour reps for a weekend :)
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Atama Cardel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:05:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom WOW, that is the first goon thread that I have read that wasent flaming someone.
I know how you feel, but goonswarm is trying to repent our flaming sins and turn CAOD into a wonderful garden of eden that it once was. Come here my brother so I may embrace you in my arms and spread the love
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FGxHalsey
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:06:00 -
[15]
My frown just turned upside down.
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Dafuzz
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:07:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Atama Cardel
Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom WOW, that is the first goon thread that I have read that wasent flaming someone.
I know how you feel, but goonswarm is trying to repent our flaming sins and turn CAOD into a wonderful garden of eden that it once was. Come here my brother so I may embrace you in my arms and spread the love
You lie like a rug tbh
and you know it
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-If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets.. |
luaPnoRetoV
Priority of all States Together
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom WOW, that is the first goon thread that I have read that wasent flaming someone.
That is because its either a fakepost or a BoB spy
I am disappointed that you feel this way.
Have you ever listened to that song "The Sound of Silence" by Simon and Garfunkel? They sing of people being unable to share their true feelings with one another. I feel you must have something seriously troubling you if you believe a Goon is incapable of positive thought towards others.
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Althair Erin
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:10:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom WOW, that is the first goon thread that I have read that wasent flaming someone.
That is because its either a fakepost or a BoB spy
Dafuzz, you commented earlier that what I envision is impossible- or at least that's how I interpreted your 'nope' response. I saw it as a refusal to embrace the possibility that better relations between players and corporations are possible.
Now I haven't been around very long, but it looks like you have a lot of people here on the forums who think you're a pretty chill guy regardless of who belongs in which corporation. Do you honestly feel that it would be better if those people hated you instead?
Would you describe yourself as the member of the 'old guard' I mentioned? Filled with bitterness and hate to the extent that they no longer consider open communication to be either viable or desirable? Isn't there some part of you that sees this as a truly sad state of affairs?
I've barely posted on this forum before, waiting and getting my bearings in the EVE world and meta-world, and already I'm being called a fakeposter. Honestly, it does make me feel sad. I know EVE is described as being a sort of cold, dark world, but it's also totally open-ended. We can bring some warmth into it if we choose to.
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Dafuzz
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:10:00 -
[19]
Originally by: luaPnoRetoV
Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom WOW, that is the first goon thread that I have read that wasent flaming someone.
That is because its either a fakepost or a BoB spy
I am disappointed that you feel this way.
Have you ever listened to that song "The Sound of Silence" by Simon and Garfunkel? They sing of people being unable to share their true feelings with one another. I feel you must have something seriously troubling you if you believe a Goon is incapable of positive thought towards others.
I full well know that goons are very capable at many many things
But das boot happens if this isn't an epic fakepost
I like your ! avatar its cool
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Orebuster
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:10:00 -
[20]
Maybe we could have a universe wide mining op, where every pilot could come to 0.0, and mine the good ores, without having to worry about pirates, or wars.
We could shoot npc rats side by side with our enemies, and relisters would pledge to sell only those products they produce. Imagine how inexpensive t2 gear could be if we all just pitched in together for a weekend, call it EVE Armistice, from say, Friday the 22nd to Wednesday the 26th (yes, this isn't the weekend, but it would make Lennon proud--Lenin, not so much).
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:11:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Narciss Sevar
Originally by: Gneeznow every stranger is a friend you havent met yet, remember that before hitting those F keys
But if they end up like you, remember those F keys.
I think this is what happens a lot, people see my ugly vherokior face and mash on those F keys, which may eventually force me to play on my hot amarr girly alt if i want to experience the dream in the OP
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Traumatica
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:12:00 -
[22]
Indeed, there is a significant amount of vitriol between not only new players and older players, but between other groups of players in general. I cannot but help ponder the significance of this when applied to a broader social view. It saddens me when I think of those who will come after me, and what they will miss out on. They may never know the love of a forming conga-line around a gate with your enemy. They may never know the true happiness I experience when I know another will use my modules even after he killed me. It is a shame. In closing, I'd like to share with you some lyrics that I feel we should all take to heart, Whitney Houston's "The Greatest Love of All"
Did you know that Whitney Houston's debut LP, called simply Whitney Houston had 4 number one singles on it? Did you know that, Dafuzz? It's hard to choose a favorite among so many great tracks, but "The Greatest Love of All" is one of the best, most powerful songs ever written about self-preservation, dignity. Its universal message crosses all boundaries and instills one with the hope that it's not too late to better ourselves. Since, Althair Erin, it's impossible in this world we live in to empathize with others, we can always empathize with ourselves. It's an important message, crucial really. And it's beautifully stated on the album.
I believe the children are our future Teach them well and let them lead the way Show them all the beauty they possess inside Give them a sense of pride to make it easier Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be
And if by chance, that special place That you've been dreaming of Leads you to a lonely place Find your strength in love
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Westly Synpa
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Althair Erin In the short time that I have been a player in EVE and a member of Goonswarm, I've observed the incredible amount of hatred and rage that many players feel toward each other, and other corporations. The endless trolling, the smack talk in Local, and a general feeling of contempt between opposing parties. I've seen some few examples of mutual respect, but they appear to be few and far between.
When I fly through space not owned by my Alliance or allies I feel a kind of cold distance between myself and other pilots. No one seems to want to take time to talk before opening up with all guns. Is padding your killboard with my frigate so important, when maybe I just want to talk? Do you feel threatened? My Incursus can't hold a candle to your Vagabond, so why not chat a little? Inter-Alliance communication would be so much more vibrant if there was a greater willingness to communicate.
Where does all this hate come from? I can see that the older generation of players have a long list of grudges and slights and other insults they are trying to avenge, but what about new players? Do we have to adopt the anger and rage of our elders? Should we allow ourselves to be infected by their hate?
I'm not calling for an end to fighting. Most of our ships are designed for the sole purpose of burning other vessels into floating scrap. But wouldn't it be a more beautiful universe if we, the newer generation of players held a greater mutual respect for each other? The hope of the younger generation is their unstained hearts- we haven't had the time to become so jaded or angry that we shut out everyone except our own corporation. We should reach out to each other in the interest of making -everyones- experience better.
Maybe next time you find yourself hovering over the wreck of your enemy, you might try convoing them instead of podding. Who knows, you might make a new friend.
aww pudding its okay they just want to play.
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duckmonster
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: SunglassesInSpace this is a really nice idea, maybe CCP could run an event where everyones guns are changed into shield and armour reps for a weekend :)
This would make concord so awesome.
"Ima just sitting here smartbombing JITA undock, and I got 500 remote shield reps makeing me safe and warm". -----------
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Dafuzz
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:19:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Althair Erin
Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom WOW, that is the first goon thread that I have read that wasent flaming someone.
That is because its either a fakepost or a BoB spy
Dafuzz, you commented earlier that what I envision is impossible- or at least that's how I interpreted your 'nope' response. I saw it as a refusal to embrace the possibility that better relations between players and corporations are possible.
Now I haven't been around very long, but it looks like you have a lot of people here on the forums who think you're a pretty chill guy regardless of who belongs in which corporation. Do you honestly feel that it would be better if those people hated you instead?
Would you describe yourself as the member of the 'old guard' I mentioned? Filled with bitterness and hate to the extent that they no longer consider open communication to be either viable or desirable? Isn't there some part of you that sees this as a truly sad state of affairs?
I've barely posted on this forum before, waiting and getting my bearings in the EVE world and meta-world, and already I'm being called a fakeposter. Honestly, it does make me feel sad. I know EVE is described as being a sort of cold, dark world, but it's also totally open-ended. We can bring some warmth into it if we choose to.
If I took the time to convo someone I am about to pod, chances are 20 of his buddies are ready to jump in and kill me.
So no.
And your CEO absolutely hates me IRL. Ask him, if he doesn't answer, ask Stoffer.
Then come back and ask me if I care
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Westly Synpa
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:20:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: Althair Erin
Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom WOW, that is the first goon thread that I have read that wasent flaming someone.
That is because its either a fakepost or a BoB spy
Dafuzz, you commented earlier that what I envision is impossible- or at least that's how I interpreted your 'nope' response. I saw it as a refusal to embrace the possibility that better relations between players and corporations are possible.
Now I haven't been around very long, but it looks like you have a lot of people here on the forums who think you're a pretty chill guy regardless of who belongs in which corporation. Do you honestly feel that it would be better if those people hated you instead?
Would you describe yourself as the member of the 'old guard' I mentioned? Filled with bitterness and hate to the extent that they no longer consider open communication to be either viable or desirable? Isn't there some part of you that sees this as a truly sad state of affairs?
I've barely posted on this forum before, waiting and getting my bearings in the EVE world and meta-world, and already I'm being called a fakeposter. Honestly, it does make me feel sad. I know EVE is described as being a sort of cold, dark world, but it's also totally open-ended. We can bring some warmth into it if we choose to.
If I took the time to convo someone I am about to pod, chances are 20 of his buddies are ready to jump in and kill me.
So no.
And your CEO absolutely hates me IRL. Ask him, if he doesn't answer, ask Stoffer.
Then come back and ask me if I care
that's not very chill brosef.
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LASER WATCHER
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:21:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: Althair Erin
Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom WOW, that is the first goon thread that I have read that wasent flaming someone.
That is because its either a fakepost or a BoB spy
Dafuzz, you commented earlier that what I envision is impossible- or at least that's how I interpreted your 'nope' response. I saw it as a refusal to embrace the possibility that better relations between players and corporations are possible.
Now I haven't been around very long, but it looks like you have a lot of people here on the forums who think you're a pretty chill guy regardless of who belongs in which corporation. Do you honestly feel that it would be better if those people hated you instead?
Would you describe yourself as the member of the 'old guard' I mentioned? Filled with bitterness and hate to the extent that they no longer consider open communication to be either viable or desirable? Isn't there some part of you that sees this as a truly sad state of affairs?
I've barely posted on this forum before, waiting and getting my bearings in the EVE world and meta-world, and already I'm being called a fakeposter. Honestly, it does make me feel sad. I know EVE is described as being a sort of cold, dark world, but it's also totally open-ended. We can bring some warmth into it if we choose to.
If I took the time to convo someone I am about to pod, chances are 20 of his buddies are ready to jump in and kill me.
So no.
And your CEO absolutely hates me IRL. Ask him, if he doesn't answer, ask Stoffer.
Then come back and ask me if I care
im sure that deadtear would gladly let you in as he is specifically fond of you _____
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Dafuzz
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:22:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Westly Synpa that's not very chill brosef.
On whose part?
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:22:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: Althair Erin
Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom WOW, that is the first goon thread that I have read that wasent flaming someone.
That is because its either a fakepost or a BoB spy
Dafuzz, you commented earlier that what I envision is impossible- or at least that's how I interpreted your 'nope' response. I saw it as a refusal to embrace the possibility that better relations between players and corporations are possible.
Now I haven't been around very long, but it looks like you have a lot of people here on the forums who think you're a pretty chill guy regardless of who belongs in which corporation. Do you honestly feel that it would be better if those people hated you instead?
Would you describe yourself as the member of the 'old guard' I mentioned? Filled with bitterness and hate to the extent that they no longer consider open communication to be either viable or desirable? Isn't there some part of you that sees this as a truly sad state of affairs?
I've barely posted on this forum before, waiting and getting my bearings in the EVE world and meta-world, and already I'm being called a fakeposter. Honestly, it does make me feel sad. I know EVE is described as being a sort of cold, dark world, but it's also totally open-ended. We can bring some warmth into it if we choose to.
If I took the time to convo someone I am about to pod, chances are 20 of his buddies are ready to jump in and kill me.
So no.
And your CEO absolutely hates me IRL. Ask him, if he doesn't answer, ask Stoffer.
Then come back and ask me if I care
Stoffer do you hate him?
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SunglassesInSpace
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:23:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Westly Synpa
Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: Althair Erin
Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom WOW, that is the first goon thread that I have read that wasent flaming someone.
That is because its either a fakepost or a BoB spy
Dafuzz, you commented earlier that what I envision is impossible- or at least that's how I interpreted your 'nope' response. I saw it as a refusal to embrace the possibility that better relations between players and corporations are possible.
Now I haven't been around very long, but it looks like you have a lot of people here on the forums who think you're a pretty chill guy regardless of who belongs in which corporation. Do you honestly feel that it would be better if those people hated you instead?
Would you describe yourself as the member of the 'old guard' I mentioned? Filled with bitterness and hate to the extent that they no longer consider open communication to be either viable or desirable? Isn't there some part of you that sees this as a truly sad state of affairs?
I've barely posted on this forum before, waiting and getting my bearings in the EVE world and meta-world, and already I'm being called a fakeposter. Honestly, it does make me feel sad. I know EVE is described as being a sort of cold, dark world, but it's also totally open-ended. We can bring some warmth into it if we choose to.
If I took the time to convo someone I am about to pod, chances are 20 of his buddies are ready to jump in and kill me.
So no.
And your CEO absolutely hates me IRL. Ask him, if he doesn't answer, ask Stoffer.
Then come back and ask me if I care
that's not very chill brosef.
maybe the whole MC situation is making dafuzz a less chill brosef. tbqh it must be pretty stressful.
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Dafuzz
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:27:00 -
[31]
Originally by: SunglassesInSpace maybe the whole MC situation is making dafuzz a less chill brosef. tbqh it must be pretty stressful.
Not at all, its a hoot
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Althair Erin
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:27:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: Althair Erin
Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom WOW, that is the first goon thread that I have read that wasent flaming someone.
That is because its either a fakepost or a BoB spy
Dafuzz, you commented earlier that what I envision is impossible- or at least that's how I interpreted your 'nope' response. I saw it as a refusal to embrace the possibility that better relations between players and corporations are possible.
Now I haven't been around very long, but it looks like you have a lot of people here on the forums who think you're a pretty chill guy regardless of who belongs in which corporation. Do you honestly feel that it would be better if those people hated you instead?
Would you describe yourself as the member of the 'old guard' I mentioned? Filled with bitterness and hate to the extent that they no longer consider open communication to be either viable or desirable? Isn't there some part of you that sees this as a truly sad state of affairs?
I've barely posted on this forum before, waiting and getting my bearings in the EVE world and meta-world, and already I'm being called a fakeposter. Honestly, it does make me feel sad. I know EVE is described as being a sort of cold, dark world, but it's also totally open-ended. We can bring some warmth into it if we choose to.
If I took the time to convo someone I am about to pod, chances are 20 of his buddies are ready to jump in and kill me.
So no.
And your CEO absolutely hates me IRL. Ask him, if he doesn't answer, ask Stoffer.
Then come back and ask me if I care
You do make a good point about the time it takes to convo someone- but chatting in Local until you get to a safer area and then convoing them is still practically possible.
You're driving right to the heart of the matter- hatred so strong that it affects us outside of the game- but does your apathy toward this hate leave no room for reconciliation? If so, then I can only hope that the younger generation will pick up on what's so wrong with this cycle of hatred and choose to reject it.
This is the kind of monumental shift in attitudes that only a very large grassroots campaign can achieve. You mentioned the hatred of the CEO- and that's very pertinent, because the leaders of our organizations must be some of the older, more bitter and jaded players in order to have attained their rank. Or is that always the case? What if a younger (in terms of time spent in EVE) player-base could inspire a more positive, hopeful attitude even in the older players and leadership? Maybe if enough of the younger generation extend their hands in friendship to each other, the older generation will see a vision of what could be, and lend their significant influence toward actualizing it.
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Shayleigh Snowflower
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:27:00 -
[33]
When you think about it corps and alliances in EVE Online are quite diffrent from most (all?) other games. There might be guilds in that FOF - sword - slinging - troll - and - goblin online world, but, it is a game where you can never loose anything but time. There are no emotions on the space ship you fly in EVE like there are in par example WOW where you can jump up and down and wave etc. If you fly up to someone at a gate in X-7 then creamster will shoot without saying hi. There are no ways to show that you are friendly to the ships around you. I do believe that will help once we can walk around in stations and maybe go to the pub and play games like blackjack and poker with ISK. I for one can not wait until someone loose a titan in eve-poker. When it comes to the cold distance a lot of that is language related. Also that various corps and alliances have different goals makes the distance bigger. However, I do believe it helps to talk about it, so I give you this dreaded wall of text.
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:31:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Shayleigh Snowflower When you think about it corps and alliances in EVE Online are quite diffrent from most (all?) other games. There might be guilds in that FOF - sword - slinging - troll - and - goblin online world, but, it is a game where you can never loose anything but time. There are no emotions on the space ship you fly in EVE like there are in par example WOW where you can jump up and down and wave etc. If you fly up to someone at a gate in X-7 then creamster will shoot without saying hi. There are no ways to show that you are friendly to the ships around you. I do believe that will help once we can walk around in stations and maybe go to the pub and play games like blackjack and poker with ISK. I for one can not wait until someone loose a titan in eve-poker. When it comes to the cold distance a lot of that is language related. Also that various corps and alliances have different goals makes the distance bigger. However, I do believe it helps to talk about it, so I give you this dreaded wall of text.
I think corps and alliance should use paragraphs.
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Atama Cardel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:35:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: Atama Cardel
Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom WOW, that is the first goon thread that I have read that wasent flaming someone.
I know how you feel, but goonswarm is trying to repent our flaming sins and turn CAOD into a wonderful garden of eden that it once was. Come here my brother so I may embrace you in my arms and spread the love
You lie like a rug tbh
and you know it
dufuzz, you hurt me, not only in my heart but in my soul. Why would you accuse me of lying, I'm just trying to spread the brotherly love. Here, bend over so I may spread it to you.
All night long
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Brobuck
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:38:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Orebuster Maybe we could have a universe wide mining op, where every pilot could come to 0.0, and mine the good ores, without having to worry about pirates, or wars.
We could shoot npc rats side by side with our enemies, and relisters would pledge to sell only those products they produce. Imagine how inexpensive t2 gear could be if we all just pitched in together for a weekend, call it EVE Armistice, from say, Friday the 22nd to Wednesday the 26th (yes, this isn't the weekend, but it would make Lennon proud--Lenin, not so much).
My apologies to John Lennon
Imagine theres no Great War It's easy if you try No hostiles below us Above us only py (rite) Imagine all the pilots Flying through 0.0
Imagine theres no alliances It isn't hard to do Nothing to laze or missile Only rats to pew pew Imagine all the pilots Flying safe through space
You may say I'm ******** But I'm not the only one I hope some day you'll join us And the universe will live as one
Imagine no stuff in hangars I wonder if it would make you sorry No need for boosters or implants No Amarr or Caldari Imagine all the pilots Sharing all of space.
You may say, I'm a ***got And you know you may be right But to all a Happy Holidays And to all a pleasant night.
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LASER WATCHER
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:39:00 -
[37]
Edited by: LASER WATCHER on 18/12/2007 18:42:25
Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: SunglassesInSpace maybe the whole MC situation is making dafuzz a less chill brosef. tbqh it must be pretty stressful.
Not at all, its a hoot
i love you dafuzz
like no other man could
here let me put it in some easier words
Oh no, babe My darling I, can't get enoug of your love babe Yeah, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know why Can't get enough of your love babe Oh my darling I, can't get enough of your love babe Oh babe I don't know, I don't know, I don't know why I can't get enough of your love babe Oh babe _____
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari Karjala Inc. Onnenpyora
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:41:00 -
[38]
Someone is missing.
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Westly Synpa
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:43:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: Westly Synpa that's not very chill brosef.
On whose part?
on your part why would you want to kill anyone i play to play kitttens in space. you should come join me.
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TylerJames
Damage Unlimited Inc Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:45:00 -
[40]
This thread scares the bajebus out of me.
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SunglassesInSpace
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:46:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn Someone is missing.
Is it me? It's me right?
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Shredded
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:50:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Shredded on 18/12/2007 18:51:20
Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn Someone is missing.
I'm here now! Sorry I'm late!
It worries me that this topic seems to have upset our friend Dafuzz.
Dafuzz, if you'd rather we not discuss it, please let us know. :(
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:51:00 -
[43]
Originally by: SunglassesInSpace
Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn Someone is missing.
Is it me? It's me right?
Sunglass' do reflect light, perhaps it is the light at the end of the tunnel they are missing?
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SunglassesInSpace
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 18:58:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Narciss Sevar
Originally by: SunglassesInSpace
Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn Someone is missing.
Is it me? It's me right?
Sunglass' do reflect light, perhaps it is the light at the end of the tunnel they are missing?
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Lee Bian
Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:02:00 -
[45]
ccp should remove all weapons from eve and add a hug module
also rename mining lasers because lasers sound kinda violent
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Dafuzz
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:02:00 -
[46]
lol @ gearshifting and fakeposting
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Pnuka
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:04:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Dafuzz lol @ gearshifting and fakeposting
If you have something to say you should start your own post about it, not spam up ours.
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SunglassesInSpace
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:08:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Dafuzz lol @ gearshifting and fakeposting
No, it's just that we thought that there were too many new topics being locked so we're taking an effort as a group to improve both the quality of our posting and CAOD in general. Please, if all you are going to do is flame, take it elsewhere.
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Ocular Shadows
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:11:00 -
[49]
I... Have long standing feelings of anger towards LV and their remnants that have joined Bob. I don't know if I can be as strong as you suggest and embrace them as a friend.
I really want to be friendly with them, but I have a lot of emotional baggage to sort through before I can hope to offer an olive branch instead of my sword.
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Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar Quam Singulari The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:14:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Althair Erin I've seen some few examples of mutual respect, but they appear to be few and far between.
When I fly through space not owned by my Alliance or allies I feel a kind of cold distance between myself and other pilots.
Aww, a goon feels misunderstood and cold shouldered by the community.
Just think about what your "leaders" have said in the past about bringing EVE to it's knees and killing nodes, then you might just have an idea why there is little respect for any member of your alliance. --
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Dafuzz
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:15:00 -
[51]
Originally by: SunglassesInSpace
Originally by: Dafuzz lol @ gearshifting and fakeposting
No, it's just that we thought that there were too many new topics being locked so we're taking an effort as a group to improve both the quality of our posting and CAOD in general. Please, if all you are going to do is flame, take it elsewhere.
ok, I take it all back
Please let me see your sunglasses in space
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SunglassesInSpace
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:16:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: Althair Erin I've seen some few examples of mutual respect, but they appear to be few and far between.
When I fly through space not owned by my Alliance or allies I feel a kind of cold distance between myself and other pilots.
Aww, a goon feels misunderstood and cold shouldered by the community.
Just think about what your "leaders" have said in the past about bringing EVE to it's knees and killing nodes, then you might just have an idea why there is little respect for any member of your alliance.
We may have made mistakes in the past, but we were going through some difficult times. Please, if there is any way we can gain your respect don't hesitate to contact me or any of my alliance mates in game. Our public image is now and forevermore very important to us.
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RedhawkMillionaire
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:20:00 -
[53]
dafuzzy wuzzy was a bear dafuzzy wuzzy had no hair dafuzzy wuzzy wasn't really dafuzzy, was he
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Dafuzz
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:21:00 -
[54]
IS NO ONE GONNA ACCEPT MY APOLOGY?
TASTE MY SALTY TEARS YOU GOONS YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO
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SpaceHonorNinjabot9000
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:31:00 -
[55]
Sometimes I lay awake at night thinking of all the people I trolled and I cry until the sun comes up.
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Val Streth
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:31:00 -
[56]
Ill taste more than your tears honey. Come to papa.
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Westly Synpa
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:33:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Dafuzz IS NO ONE GONNA ACCEPT MY APOLOGY?
TASTE MY SALTY TEARS YOU GOONS YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO
we dont way to make you cry Dafuzz just be happy.
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true enjoyment
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:36:00 -
[58]
I believe that it is time for all of eve to embrace the love that He the Creator has placed inside our hearts. It is His Holy Love that is inside us all, and His Holy Love which will unite us.
I don't believe in hitting a man when he's down, when he's on the mat that should be the end of it. I don't want BOB's defeat to be another Treaty of Versailles - I think that by extending our hand to them we can avert future hostilities and usher in a new era of fun and progress!
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Tevlent
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:41:00 -
[59]
I'm agreeing with da op
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SpaceHonorNinjabot9000
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:41:00 -
[60]
We must all stand together as God's children and embrace each other as one. If we can come together and bring peace to eve, wont we be able to prove to the world that people can get along? No more war. We can do it people, this is the time and place.
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Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar Quam Singulari The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:53:00 -
[61]
Originally by: SunglassesInSpace
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: Althair Erin I've seen some few examples of mutual respect, but they appear to be few and far between.
When I fly through space not owned by my Alliance or allies I feel a kind of cold distance between myself and other pilots.
Aww, a goon feels misunderstood and cold shouldered by the community.
Just think about what your "leaders" have said in the past about bringing EVE to it's knees and killing nodes, then you might just have an idea why there is little respect for any member of your alliance.
We may have made mistakes in the past, but we were going through some difficult times. Please, if there is any way we can gain your respect don't hesitate to contact me or any of my alliance mates in game. Our public image is now and forevermore very important to us.
Maybe changing your new policy from NBSI to NRDS could improve your public image immensely and open new doors for future trade in the 0.0 space. I mean, a standings reset to NBSI isn't exactly telling the community that you are open for business with every one, more like a select few. Sounds pretty elitest to me.
Anyway, based on what I have seen in the past, I think that a lot of water has flown under the bridge and that it will probably take at least the same amount again before people really believe that there has been a change of heart in the general direction that goons have taken, compared to that of the past. --
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Orar Ironfist
Maelstrom Crew Mournival Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:54:00 -
[62]
This is quite possibly the most disturbing post in all of COAD not becuase of the man loving(which i btw endorse)But because its goons who are saying it
I would like to remain part of the :old gaurd" and hate evryone and everything thank you very much -=YYYAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!!=-
Damn you Cortes and your ISD Army of Frustration and NerfBats!!!!1111(PS: ISD Sux :o) |
Montasque
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:54:00 -
[63]
I have personally seen cooperation between Goon and BoB pilots so I know peace can be won. A few months ago I could be found ratting in Delve, which of course is the heart of BoB space. My reasoning for such was my intense hatred for Angel rats, and the proximity of upper Delve with Empire. While ratting one night a BoB member entered local who also wished to rat, and instead of the usual smack talk we pleasantly exchanged salutations and agreed not to interfere with each others ISK making activities. We both agreed that the war was a strain on both our wallets and proceeded to talk about everything EvE related that did not pertain to the war. During one night of ratting I encountered a particularly tough triple BS spawn, I informed my BoB chum of the situation(low on armor, almost no cap, and 1 bs and a number of cruiser rats left) and he immediately warped to my location and helped dispatch of the rats which threatened my ship.
There were other great members of BoB and the GBC I met during my time in Delve. I know they are not inhuman monsters, but people like you and I. Many of them are good people who just want some peace and quiet. I think we can have pace in our time, if two bitter enemies can rat in the same system and not destroy each other, maybe the rest of EvE can follow suit, maybe only for a day, or even an hour, but peace is not impossible.
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Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar Quam Singulari The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:56:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Jaabaa Prime on 18/12/2007 19:56:56 lost connection, double post --
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Traumatica
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 20:03:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: SunglassesInSpace
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: Althair Erin I've seen some few examples of mutual respect, but they appear to be few and far between.
When I fly through space not owned by my Alliance or allies I feel a kind of cold distance between myself and other pilots.
Aww, a goon feels misunderstood and cold shouldered by the community.
Just think about what your "leaders" have said in the past about bringing EVE to it's knees and killing nodes, then you might just have an idea why there is little respect for any member of your alliance.
We may have made mistakes in the past, but we were going through some difficult times. Please, if there is any way we can gain your respect don't hesitate to contact me or any of my alliance mates in game. Our public image is now and forevermore very important to us.
Maybe changing your new policy from NBSI to NRDS could improve your public image immensely and open new doors for future trade in the 0.0 space. I mean, a standings reset to NBSI isn't exactly telling the community that you are open for business with every one, more like a select few. Sounds pretty elitest to me.
Anyway, based on what I have seen in the past, I think that a lot of water has flown under the bridge and that it will probably take at least the same amount again before people really believe that there has been a change of heart in the general direction that goons have taken, compared to that of the past.
Water under the bridge is preferable to water over the bridge because we don't want our space-cars and space-trucks to be washed away on their way to work in the morning.
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von Goethe
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 20:03:00 -
[66]
During this fight, I've seen a lot of changing, in the way you feel about me, and in the way I feel about you. In here, there were two guys killing each other, but I guess that's better than twenty million. I guess what I'm trying to say, is that if I can change, and you can change, everybody can change!
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true enjoyment
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 20:03:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Montasque I have personally seen cooperation between Goon and BoB pilots so I know peace can be won. A few months ago I could be found ratting in Delve, which of course is the heart of BoB space. My reasoning for such was my intense hatred for Angel rats, and the proximity of upper Delve with Empire. While ratting one night a BoB member entered local who also wished to rat, and instead of the usual smack talk we pleasantly exchanged salutations and agreed not to interfere with each others ISK making activities. We both agreed that the war was a strain on both our wallets and proceeded to talk about everything EvE related that did not pertain to the war. During one night of ratting I encountered a particularly tough triple BS spawn, I informed my BoB chum of the situation(low on armor, almost no cap, and 1 bs and a number of cruiser rats left) and he immediately warped to my location and helped dispatch of the rats which threatened my ship.
There were other great members of BoB and the GBC I met during my time in Delve. I know they are not inhuman monsters, but people like you and I. Many of them are good people who just want some peace and quiet. I think we can have pace in our time, if two bitter enemies can rat in the same system and not destroy each other, maybe the rest of EvE can follow suit, maybe only for a day, or even an hour, but peace is not impossible.
I have also seen this behaviour! I was nice enough to give him a few tips on what kind of damage to tank [EM/THERM for BLOODS!] and what kind of damage to deal [EM]
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Val Streth
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 20:07:00 -
[68]
Well on this note. I was nice to a BoB guy once. He wanted to kill MY MAMMOTH and kept following me hoping for a kill. I even waited up for the little guy a few times. After about twelve jumps i told him he wasn't gonna catch me and he was wasting his time. So he turned around for some slower meat.
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true enjoyment
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 20:28:00 -
[69]
I wish people I chased would be nice to me (and slow down!)
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.18 20:32:00 -
[70]
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rycar
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 21:14:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Val Streth Well on this note. I was nice to a BoB guy once. He wanted to kill MY MAMMOTH and kept following me hoping for a kill. I even waited up for the little guy a few times. After about twelve jumps i told him he wasn't gonna catch me and he was wasting his time. So he turned around for some slower meat.
I guess your mammoth meat was just too fast for him.
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Val Streth
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 21:19:00 -
[72]
Originally by: rycar
Originally by: Val Streth Well on this note. I was nice to a BoB guy once. He wanted to kill MY MAMMOTH and kept following me hoping for a kill. I even waited up for the little guy a few times. After about twelve jumps i told him he wasn't gonna catch me and he was wasting his time. So he turned around for some slower meat.
I guess your mammoth meat was just too fast for him.
I have been told before of just how swift my meat was.
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Bruce Ironstaunch
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 21:20:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Janu Hull
i disagree
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Tetra gramaton
Gallente Serenity and Chaos Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2007.12.18 21:23:00 -
[74]
Unfortunitly with the game mechanics and ccp lack of helping players who have been tricked or swindled out of processions. You can only really count on one thing. TRUST NO ONE NOT EVEN YOUR FRIENDS!
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SunglassesInSpace
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 21:26:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Janu Hull
Please add more content to your posts.
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Val Streth
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 21:28:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Tetra gramaton Unfortunitly with the game mechanics and ccp lack of helping players who have been tricked or swindled out of processions. You can only really count on one thing. TRUST NO ONE NOT EVEN YOUR FRIENDS!
I trust you. Why wont you trust me? Relationships are compromise.
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Lsf XXi
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 21:29:00 -
[77]
Good post OP. I took this to heart and let a bob pod get away today.
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Val Streth
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 21:29:00 -
[78]
Originally by: SunglassesInSpace
Originally by: Janu Hull
Please add more content to your posts.
It's not the content of your posts but the quality of your character.
Unfortunately it is still lacking.
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K'reemy G'udness
The Greater Goon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 21:36:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Orar Ironfist
I would like to remain part of the :old gaurd" and hate evryone and everything thank you very much
It's easy to hate, but it takes real courage to love. ---
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Rocka Stargirl
Hugs for the Hug Throne
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Posted - 2007.12.18 21:40:00 -
[80]
This is what I've been saying all along. Hugs for the hug throne. ---
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true enjoyment
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 21:43:00 -
[81]
Originally by: K'reemy G'udness
Originally by: Orar Ironfist
I would like to remain part of the :old gaurd" and hate evryone and everything thank you very much
It's easy to hate, but it takes real courage to love.
truth.
i'd like to see eve transition into a new period of peace and cooperation where great monuments are built
CCP has given us the ability to build stations and outposts, but there should be something bigger which people can contribute to, some sort of space monument or maybe something more useful
the greatest gains come from cooperation and frankly i am tired of fighting
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Val Streth
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 21:45:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Rocka Stargirl This is what I've been saying all along. Hugs for the hug throne.
I have been pushing donges for the donge throne. But skulls were decidedly easier to procure.
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Ephnat
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.18 21:51:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Ephnat on 18/12/2007 21:54:01 Wrong account.
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WrathOfOprah
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 21:52:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Rocka Stargirl This is what I've been saying all along. Hugs for the hug throne.
Hugs certainly feel good, both on the giving and receiving end, and it turns out their effects are more than skin deep. A study by University of North Carolina researchers found that hugs increase the "bonding" hormone oxytocin and decrease the risk of heart disease.
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Westly Synpa
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 21:54:00 -
[85]
Originally by: WrathOfOprah
Originally by: Rocka Stargirl This is what I've been saying all along. Hugs for the hug throne.
Hugs certainly feel good, both on the giving and receiving end, and it turns out their effects are more than skin deep. A study by University of North Carolina researchers found that hugs increase the "bonding" hormone oxytocin and decrease the risk of heart disease.
I guess everyone needs more hugs then.
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Val Streth
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 21:57:00 -
[86]
Originally by: WrathOfOprah
Originally by: Rocka Stargirl This is what I've been saying all along. Hugs for the hug throne.
Hugs certainly feel good, both on the giving and receiving end, and it turns out their effects are more than skin deep. A study by University of North Carolina researchers found that hugs increase the "bonding" hormone oxytocin and decrease the risk of heart disease.
The more you know... I am gonna hug the tar outta some of you guys.
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Yussef
Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 21:57:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Yussef on 18/12/2007 21:58:10
Originally by: WrathOfOprah
Originally by: Rocka Stargirl This is what I've been saying all along. Hugs for the hug throne.
Hugs certainly feel good, both on the giving and receiving end, and it turns out their effects are more than skin deep. A study by University of North Carolina researchers found that hugs increase the "bonding" hormone oxytocin and decrease the risk of heart disease.
It isn't just about the physical benefits though, but the spiritual. Like chicken soup for the soul.
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FGxHalsey
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:02:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Yussef Edited by: Yussef on 18/12/2007 21:58:10
Originally by: WrathOfOprah
Originally by: Rocka Stargirl This is what I've been saying all along. Hugs for the hug throne.
Hugs certainly feel good, both on the giving and receiving end, and it turns out their effects are more than skin deep. A study by University of North Carolina researchers found that hugs increase the "bonding" hormone oxytocin and decrease the risk of heart disease.
It isn't just about the physical benefits though, but the spiritual. Like chicken soup for the soul.
Well combined with the title of this thread maybe its more like Pepsi for the soul. "The Hope of a Younger Generation"
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Althair Erin
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:08:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Althair Erin on 18/12/2007 22:09:03
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: Althair Erin I've seen some few examples of mutual respect, but they appear to be few and far between.
When I fly through space not owned by my Alliance or allies I feel a kind of cold distance between myself and other pilots.
Aww, a goon feels misunderstood and cold shouldered by the community.
Just think about what your "leaders" have said in the past about bringing EVE to it's knees and killing nodes, then you might just have an idea why there is little respect for any member of your alliance.
Please guys in the posts above me, try to add something a little more substantive to this discussion. I think this is something really important for all of us to consider.
Now, to the quoted poster: Remember that I'm really new, and that the grudges of the past don't have the kind of pressing relevance to me they do for other players. That's where I see an opportunity- there are always new players coming into every alliance, why should they be forced to absorb the grudges of their elders? Why do the older players have to carry their hatred forever, when they could be free of it in the interest of making something better?
I really appreciate you engaging me and this conversation with this post and your follow-up post. It's by talking honestly and openly in this fashion that we can help shape the future of the EVE galaxy. We came here for various reasons, but I think all of us were attracted to the fact that we, as galactic citizens, can actually make a difference. The individual is empowered here to a great extent- we are only bound to the path of hate as long as we determine to keep walking it.
Let's step off the path.
I want to encourage the younger, newer players to come here and share their feelings. We belong to organizations with histories, but we don't have to allow those historical experiences to dictate our future actions. We all have reasons for why we are in the corporation or alliance we joined, but they are ours to contribute to even as they contribute to our playing experience. The fact that I'm here and saying this should be an encouraging sign- the 'youth' of EVE as it were can breath new life into the galaxy by communicating openly.
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FGxHalsey
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:13:00 -
[90]
Edited by: FGxHalsey on 18/12/2007 22:13:46
Originally by: Althair Erin Edited by: Althair Erin on 18/12/2007 22:09:03
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: Althair Erin I've seen some few examples of mutual respect, but they appear to be few and far between.
When I fly through space not owned by my Alliance or allies I feel a kind of cold distance between myself and other pilots.
Aww, a goon feels misunderstood and cold shouldered by the community.
Just think about what your "leaders" have said in the past about bringing EVE to it's knees and killing nodes, then you might just have an idea why there is little respect for any member of your alliance.
Please guys in the posts above me, try to add something a little more substantive to this discussion. I think this is something really important for all of us to consider.
Now, to the quoted poster: Remember that I'm really new, and that the grudges of the past don't have the kind of pressing relevance to me they do for other players. That's where I see an opportunity- there are always new players coming into every alliance, why should they be forced to absorb the grudges of their elders? Why do the older players have to carry their hatred forever, when they could be free of it in the interest of making something better?
I thank-you for your honest dialog and sincerity of thought. Many old vets of EvE forget that new members are joining the game and the in-game alliances all the time. These members do not remember any of the past actions or complex political histories in the game. Also, lets remember that this is just a game and that there are real people on the other end of the characters we see. Through honest dialog and mutual respect for each other, perhaps this culture we call the eve-o community may come together for their mutual benefit.
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Traumatica
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:15:00 -
[91]
Originally by: FGxHalsey
Originally by: Yussef Edited by: Yussef on 18/12/2007 21:58:10
Originally by: WrathOfOprah
Originally by: Rocka Stargirl This is what I've been saying all along. Hugs for the hug throne.
Hugs certainly feel good, both on the giving and receiving end, and it turns out their effects are more than skin deep. A study by University of North Carolina researchers found that hugs increase the "bonding" hormone oxytocin and decrease the risk of heart disease.
It isn't just about the physical benefits though, but the spiritual. Like chicken soup for the soul.
Well combined with the title of this thread maybe its more like Pepsi for the soul. "The Hope of a Younger Generation"
Would you say that the Crystal Clear Pepsi is somewhat similiar to Quafe?
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Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar Quam Singulari The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:22:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Althair Erin I want to encourage the younger, newer players to come here and share their feelings.
What you are posting is in stark contrast to what has been announced by your alliance's leadership.
If new players were "to go there", where you are, then your NBSI policy would would probably allow them to share loads of feelings with your alliance, and I doubt that any of them would be positive.
As I said before, you should consider a NRDS policy, then if can get the goons to keep to it, you might, with time, earn back some of the respect lost because of your alliace's previous behaviour and past track record.
Taking that into account, and the latest announcement, I find it hard to believe that even a post like this, by a new member, will change the communities view of your alliance.
Actions speak louder than words, and so far, the actions have said loads, and the words (many of them, even in this self same thread) have said nothing. --
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Ungdall
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:27:00 -
[93]
That post was beautiful, and this is beautifully done.
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FGxHalsey
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:28:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Traumatica
Originally by: FGxHalsey
Originally by: Yussef Edited by: Yussef on 18/12/2007 21:58:10
Originally by: WrathOfOprah
Originally by: Rocka Stargirl This is what I've been saying all along. Hugs for the hug throne.
Hugs certainly feel good, both on the giving and receiving end, and it turns out their effects are more than skin deep. A study by University of North Carolina researchers found that hugs increase the "bonding" hormone oxytocin and decrease the risk of heart disease.
It isn't just about the physical benefits though, but the spiritual. Like chicken soup for the soul.
Well combined with the title of this thread maybe its more like Pepsi for the soul. "The Hope of a Younger Generation"
Would you say that the Crystal Clear Pepsi is somewhat similiar to Quafe?
Indeed my good sir, I'll bring the scones if you bring the Crystal Pepsi and/or Quaffe. Won't you join me?
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Val Streth
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:29:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Ungdall That post was beautiful, and this is beautifully done.
No.
YOU are beautiful.
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FGxHalsey
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:31:00 -
[96]
Edited by: FGxHalsey on 18/12/2007 22:33:16
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: Althair Erin I want to encourage the younger, newer players to come here and share their feelings.
As I said before, you should consider a NRDS policy, then if can get the goons to keep to it, you might, with time, earn back some of the respect lost because of your alliace's previous behaviour and past track record.
Taking that into account, and the latest announcement, I find it hard to believe that even a post like this, by a new member, will change the communities view of your alliance.
Actions speak louder than words, and so far, the actions have said loads, and the words (many of them, even in this self same thread) have said nothing.
I agree whole-heartedly. Goonswarm should indeed go to an NRDS policy as an olive branch to the EvE community. I believe the whole issue of lost respect by goonswarm to be a matter of simple misunderstanding that can easily be resolved through mutual respect for each other.
You too are invited to my Crystal Pepsi + scones party.
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true enjoyment
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:31:00 -
[97]
it's moments like this that reaffirm my beliefs
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Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar Quam Singulari The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:32:00 -
[98]
Originally by: FGxHalsey Many old vets of EvE forget that new members are joining the game and the in-game alliances all the time. These members do not remember any of the past actions or complex political histories in the game.
Or the posts about crashing the server ? Maybe they should know about it before making decisions.
Originally by: FGxHalsey Also, lets remember that this is just a game and that there are real people on the other end of the characters we see.
Yes, its a game, and crashing the server / node ruins it for everyone, where is the gameplay in that ?
I respect and have flown with loads of the older players in RA, TCF, etc., and sometimes even chat with them. Not intel or anything, just a chat between old friends (and sometimes enemies).
Originally by: FGxHalsey Through honest dialog and mutual respect for each other, perhaps this culture we call the eve-o community may come together for their mutual benefit.
One of the nice things about EVE is that "mutual respect" is earned, not requested or simply given because you want it.
Back in the days of CA vs. SA, there was loads of "mutual respect", we killed each other at every opportunity, but there wasn't any real animosity.
I think it'll take ages before people see the goons in another light. Your future actions (as an alliance) will show if this thread is more than just hot air. --
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Iasius
Seven. Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:34:00 -
[99]
Perhaps a branded range of choccies from goons with fluffy pink ribbons. No please not a lovely cuddly Goons . Full Spectrum Mercenary |
Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:35:00 -
[100]
Originally by: FGxHalsey Edited by: FGxHalsey on 18/12/2007 22:33:16
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: Althair Erin I want to encourage the younger, newer players to come here and share their feelings.
As I said before, you should consider a NRDS policy, then if can get the goons to keep to it, you might, with time, earn back some of the respect lost because of your alliace's previous behaviour and past track record.
Taking that into account, and the latest announcement, I find it hard to believe that even a post like this, by a new member, will change the communities view of your alliance.
Actions speak louder than words, and so far, the actions have said loads, and the words (many of them, even in this self same thread) have said nothing.
I agree whole-heartedly. Goonswarm should indeed go to an NRDS policy as an olive branch to the EvE community. I believe the whole issue of lost respect by goonswarm to be a matter of simple misunderstanding that can easily be resolved through mutual respect for each other.
You too are invited to my Crystal Pepsi + scones party.
All we need to complete this surreal trip is Spock wearing a beard...
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WrathOfOprah
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:36:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
I think it'll take ages before people see the goons in another light. Your future actions (as an alliance) will show if this thread is more than just hot air.
We look forward to the opportunity to demonstrate to the eve community that we have matured. We have new FCs and Sergeants that follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and minister to us on teamspeak. We have been filled with the holy spirit and wish to make peace with anyone who we have harmed over the past year.
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FGxHalsey
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:36:00 -
[102]
Edited by: FGxHalsey on 18/12/2007 22:37:09
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: FGxHalsey Many old vets of EvE forget that new members are joining the game and the in-game alliances all the time. These members do not remember any of the past actions or complex political histories in the game.
Or the posts about crashing the server ? Maybe they should know about it before making decisions.
Originally by: FGxHalsey Also, lets remember that this is just a game and that there are real people on the other end of the characters we see.
Yes, its a game, and crashing the server / node ruins it for everyone, where is the gameplay in that ?
I respect and have flown with loads of the older players in RA, TCF, etc., and sometimes even chat with them. Not intel or anything, just a chat between old friends (and sometimes enemies).
Originally by: FGxHalsey Through honest dialog and mutual respect for each other, perhaps this culture we call the eve-o community may come together for their mutual benefit.
One of the nice things about EVE is that "mutual respect" is earned, not requested or simply given because you want it.
Back in the days of CA vs. SA, there was loads of "mutual respect", we killed each other at every opportunity, but there wasn't any real animosity.
I think it'll take ages before people see the goons in another light. Your future actions (as an alliance) will show if this thread is more than just hot air.
I have never made a post about crashing the server. I too, am an eve player that enjoys a good smack-free fight and am eager to dish out the mad props when such props are deserved. I believe I can speak for us all when I say nothing would make us happier than lag-free GFs all around. I will personally petition CCP to implement dove-launchers to fire as a good will demonstration towards our fellow game players.
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Althair Erin
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:43:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: Althair Erin I want to encourage the younger, newer players to come here and share their feelings.
What you are posting is in stark contrast to what has been announced by your alliance's leadership.
If new players were "to go there", where you are, then your NBSI policy would would probably allow them to share loads of feelings with your alliance, and I doubt that any of them would be positive.
As I said before, you should consider a NRDS policy, then if can get the goons to keep to it, you might, with time, earn back some of the respect lost because of your alliace's previous behaviour and past track record.
Taking that into account, and the latest announcement, I find it hard to believe that even a post like this, by a new member, will change the communities view of your alliance.
Actions speak louder than words, and so far, the actions have said loads, and the words (many of them, even in this self same thread) have said nothing.
Major changes in policy can occur at any time, as we've seen here over the past few days. I think that I was fairly clear in that when inviting people to 'come here' as it were, I was speaking of this thread on CAOD and not Goonspace. I understand that our current policy makes safe travel for non-allied organizations dangerous.
Platitudes about words and deeds are all well and good, but this -is- a forum for conversation, so I aim to engage people on the level of words. As a 3m SP character my ability to influence people with in-game firepower or manufacturing expertise is limited, but open conversation is a great equalizer.
Thank you for your suggestion, I would be glad to hear if other people also desire a NRDS policy, and what other avenues could be explored to increase galactic communication. Is it your position that all alliances should pursue a NRDS system?
I wish that people could more easily see through the ambiguous and disingenuous information that is put out surrounding us. My experience among my fellows has been extremely positive. The goon population has a lot of warm feelings to offer, they treat their younger players with respect and give plenty of advice to new pilots. When encountering our allies in space I've felt those same warm feelings on both sides. It's a shame that the truth of our generally good nature has somehow become muddled in the eyes of some players.
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SunglassesInSpace
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:44:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: FGxHalsey Many old vets of EvE forget that new members are joining the game and the in-game alliances all the time. These members do not remember any of the past actions or complex political histories in the game.
Or the posts about crashing the server ? Maybe they should know about it before making decisions.
Originally by: FGxHalsey Also, lets remember that this is just a game and that there are real people on the other end of the characters we see.
Yes, its a game, and crashing the server / node ruins it for everyone, where is the gameplay in that ?
I respect and have flown with loads of the older players in RA, TCF, etc., and sometimes even chat with them. Not intel or anything, just a chat between old friends (and sometimes enemies).
Originally by: FGxHalsey Through honest dialog and mutual respect for each other, perhaps this culture we call the eve-o community may come together for their mutual benefit.
One of the nice things about EVE is that "mutual respect" is earned, not requested or simply given because you want it.
Back in the days of CA vs. SA, there was loads of "mutual respect", we killed each other at every opportunity, but there wasn't any real animosity.
I think it'll take ages before people see the goons in another light. Your future actions (as an alliance) will show if this thread is more than just hot air.
Given that we are trying to change, or more correctly going back to normal, a little support would be very welcome rather than constant doubting. We've been acting terrible for so long that it's a bit much to ask that all our members change overnight. I'm sure any words of encouragement would go a long way to helping those that take longer to revert to our true direction.
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Yussef
Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:47:00 -
[105]
Originally by: SunglassesInSpace Given that we are trying to change, or more correctly going back to normal, a little support would be very welcome rather than constant doubting. We've been acting terrible for so long that it's a bit much to ask that all our members change overnight. I'm sure any words of encouragement would go a long way to helping those that take longer to revert to our true direction.
I know it's all like confusing. It's like I try to do the right thing but then there's like these doubters who make me doubt myself. I'm so confused and need a hug.
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Lsf XXi
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:47:00 -
[106]
I see them carried away headlong, grim and obsessed, in the general onrush of the human herd, unable to stop themselves or to change their direction.
This is how I've seen goons for some time now. But recent events have caused us to reflect on how we've interacted with the eve community over the last couple of years. And I think in the upcoming year you'll see something different from goonswarm.
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Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar Quam Singulari The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:48:00 -
[107]
Originally by: WrathOfOprah We have new FCs and Sergeants that follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and minister to us on teamspeak. We have been filled with the holy spirit and wish to make peace with anyone who we have harmed over the past year.
This made my day, and you expect the hard core gamers that play EVE to take this even half ways seriously. --
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true enjoyment
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 22:58:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: WrathOfOprah We have new FCs and Sergeants that follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and minister to us on teamspeak. We have been filled with the holy spirit and wish to make peace with anyone who we have harmed over the past year.
This made my day, and you expect the hard core gamers that play EVE to take this even half ways seriously.
it's not official yet, but goonswarm's new years resolution is to be nicer
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Yussef
Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 23:01:00 -
[109]
Originally by: true enjoyment
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: WrathOfOprah We have new FCs and Sergeants that follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and minister to us on teamspeak. We have been filled with the holy spirit and wish to make peace with anyone who we have harmed over the past year.
This made my day, and you expect the hard core gamers that play EVE to take this even half ways seriously.
it's not official yet, but goonswarm's new years resolution is to be nicer
I believe the official resolution will be "hugs not thugs."
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WrathOfOprah
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 23:06:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: WrathOfOprah We have new FCs and Sergeants that follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and minister to us on teamspeak. We have been filled with the holy spirit and wish to make peace with anyone who we have harmed over the past year.
This made my day, and you expect the hard core gamers that play EVE to take this even half ways seriously.
Why would "hard core" gamers be averted to the teaching of our lord and savior. I once thought that bringing e-missery and e-pain was funny. I also thought using racial epithets and saying "Rape" were funny. But Jesus showed me that what I was doing was wrong, that I was hurting people. I talked to my youth pastor and he had me introduce him to the rest of Goonfleet. Within a few weeks, we began daily studies.
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Val Streth
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 23:08:00 -
[111]
The thought of a new year and new attitudes makes me smile inside and out.
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Dez Affinity
Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.18 23:08:00 -
[112]
This is inspirational, I to believe we can live in a Universe where we extend the warmth of our hearts and not that of our warp disruptors and guns. Such brutish acts should no longer be present in this Universe.
I'd like to thank you for this thread, merry christmas. _______________
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Virgil Aquilis
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 23:09:00 -
[113]
hey guys i just wanted someplace to post this, is this a good place?
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Traumatica
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 23:11:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Virgil Aquilis http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8730/omnipoetcgu5.jpg hey guys i just wanted someplace to post this, is this a good place?
MARKTHERIPPER is clearly in the Christmas spirit and acting the way a child of God should.
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true enjoyment
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 23:11:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Dez Affinity This is inspirational, I to believe we can live in a Universe where we extend the warmth of our hearts and not that of our warp disruptors and guns. Such brutish acts should no longer be present in this Universe.
I'd like to thank you for this thread, merry christmas.
games are games, but we need to remember that outside the game (in the forums) we're all real people and that we're all brosefs %^D
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Asmodea Lorion
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.18 23:16:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Asmodea Lorion on 18/12/2007 23:17:01
Originally by: Traumatica Indeed, there is a significant amount of vitriol between not only new players and older players, but between other groups of players in general. I cannot but help ponder the significance of this when applied to a broader social view. It saddens me when I think of those who will come after me, and what they will miss out on. They may never know the love of a forming conga-line around a gate with your enemy. They may never know the true happiness I experience when I know another will use my modules even after he killed me. It is a shame. In closing, I'd like to share with you some lyrics that I feel we should all take to heart, Whitney Houston's "The Greatest Love of All"
Did you know that Whitney Houston's debut LP, called simply Whitney Houston had 4 number one singles on it? Did you know that, Dafuzz? It's hard to choose a favorite among so many great tracks, but "The Greatest Love of All" is one of the best, most powerful songs ever written about self-preservation, dignity. Its universal message crosses all boundaries and instills one with the hope that it's not too late to better ourselves. Since, Althair Erin, it's impossible in this world we live in to empathize with others, we can always empathize with ourselves. It's an important message, crucial really. And it's beautifully stated on the album.
I believe the children are our future Teach them well and let them lead the way Show them all the beauty they possess inside Give them a sense of pride to make it easier Let the children's laughter remind us how we used to be
And if by chance, that special place That you've been dreaming of Leads you to a lonely place Find your strength in love
Myself I'm inspired by this thread and message of kindness to spread my appreciation of Phil Collins and Genesis.
Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece.
It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority.
In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way.
Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. Traumatica, please listen to Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite!
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Althair Erin
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 23:24:00 -
[117]
We are wandering a little bit, let's try to stay on track. The scope of this discussion is very broad, so it shouldn't be too hard to stay within the bounds while still focusing on the issue you find personally engaging.
Right now the major points that have been made are:
Many people are still influenced by past conflicts
There is an opportunity to escape collective grudges by taking a stand as new pilots for what we believe in- a more friendly EVE galaxy.
We are eliciting everyones thoughts on a NRDS policy- how they feel about it personally and for their corporation or alliance.
The outsiders view of our corporation is badly distorted, and we want to rectify it, as what people think of our corporation or alliance tends to stain their impression of us as individuals.
The holiday season is an excellent time for this kind of discussion, as long as we can remain somewhat focused.
And always, always, always this has been about empowering the individual. This forum is a great place for individuals to let their voices be heard. I am still hoping that people will come into this thread and announce that they are new pilots- like myself- who are interested in this kind of dialogue. Older players are of course welcome, but this is about a revolution in attitude, so before you post a lot of vitriol please re-examine your position.
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Hoodoomon
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.18 23:51:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Hoodoomon on 18/12/2007 23:51:45 Great post.
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Psilocin
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 00:00:00 -
[119]
It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice.
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Orebuster
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 00:08:00 -
[120]
I guess what opened my eyes up was some poster talking about how his feelings had been hurt by my forum posts. I wouldn't want my brosef getting seriously harmed by anything I wrote on a message board, so poasting bad stuff on a forum is hypocritical. From there, it is a short flight to reconsidering the nature of goonspace. You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. Lets grant a general amnesty for past poasting behavior, and let everyone start 08 with a clean slate. That should be our new motto!!!
08 with a clean slate!!!
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Orion Moonstar
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 00:10:00 -
[121]
This was brilliant and heart wrenching.
God bless you.
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Althair Erin
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 00:18:00 -
[122]
Your messages of support and appreciation are all very warmly received, but even more than that I would like your suggestions. We need concrete ideas. Hugs are good- but we have plenty right now. Let's generate some more ways to engage, motivate or otherwise involve the playerbase in making EVE better.
Don't be afraid to post, new pilots! I'm one of you.
Let me advance another idea, because even though I'm afraid of dominating the discussion I think this is important enough for a mention:
What about an EVE version of the pay-it-forward concept? If we performed random acts of kindness and giving instead of random destruction, I think it would spread throughout the galaxy. This is my inspiration:
Pay it Forward
Imagine how confusion might turn to joy when someone you randomly convod realized you weren't trying to mess with them- you'd just contracted them a shiny new named afterburner, or frigate, just because you believe in the principle of improving the quality of play/life for everyone.
Remember this is a discussion so go ahead and comment freely.
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SpaceHonorNinjabot9000
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 00:20:00 -
[123]
In the spirit of the holidays I am putting up all of my assets for sale for 1 isk each. Come to 77s and share in the joy everyone!
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Scythestius
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 01:20:00 -
[124]
I have decided to dedicate my next couple of days in Eve to a great cause: I will be flying a RR BS through various areas of 0.0 space, repping ratters in belts so that they may make isk to fund their dreams. Friend, foe, it doesn't matter. This is the most joyous time of the year and a perfect opportunity to give back to my fellow spaceship pilots so that the next time they need to buy a fancy module they can think back and say "Hey, I made this Isk when that kind fellow saved me from near-doom with his full rack of reps!"
Happy holidays to you all, however you may celebrate this season!
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Jhyme
Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 01:24:00 -
[125]
I disagree with the OP. Part of the fun in PvP warfare is cultivating a "healthy" hatred for your opponent. This makes any sense of victory more enjoyable. However, keep in mind that hatred doesn't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive with respect.
Best, Jhyme
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Ungdall
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 03:44:00 -
[126]
"No man is so high, that he may judge those he sees below"~Unknown
With that said, I think it's time for a little civility on not only the forums, but in the actual game. A bit of friendly back and forth is alright, but to follow up with repeated convos and evemails is too much. Simply because you are at odds with another person, due to play style, choice of playmates or even simply your preferred ship fitting, you should not harass others who play the game.
We all play this game as a means to escape our laser/missile/autocannon/blaster/railgun-less lives and we all want to relax, but how can anyone relax with so much hostility? Forget the repeated memes and taunting phrases. Leave past insults, threats ands accusations to lie in the dust of the past where such things belong.
All I'm asking is for a measure of humanity in a vacuum. Be friends, relax, chat over the now free eve-voice of whateveritiscalled. Enjoy yourself, and help others enjoy their free time. We all pay to be here, so we all have the right to be free from petty bickering.
This thread is in earnest, so I hope it does not descend into trolling and the like, I would not like to see it be *click*ed.
My thread was locked a duplicate, so I hope this one remains alive and well, just like EVE.
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Spaace
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 04:06:00 -
[127]
Think not of what you can be; instead, be that of which you can think.
*Huggles*
*click*
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HotSeat
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.19 04:08:00 -
[128]
I touched and now feel sorry for RISE.... missed out on some good friends by the sounds of it.
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UneFraiseDansUneChaise
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 04:16:00 -
[129]
Originally by: HotSeat I touched and now feel sorry for RISE.... missed out on some good friends by the sounds of it.
They took up symbols of a strong Germany, yet spouted forth the nihilistic rhetoric of the usurpers. Lutheranism - the laziest of the Protestant faiths.
I do not miss them.
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Ungdall
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 04:22:00 -
[130]
Edited by: Ungdall on 19/12/2007 04:21:55
Originally by: UneFraiseDansUneChaise
Originally by: HotSeat I touched and now feel sorry for RISE.... missed out on some good friends by the sounds of it.
They took up symbols of a strong Germany, yet spouted forth the nihilistic rhetoric of the usurpers. Lutheranism - the laziest of the Protestant faiths.
I do not miss them.
"Strike not the least of thy brothers with thy hand or word, for he needs most your love and thought"- Brosefs 25:17
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UneFraiseDansUneChaise
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 04:24:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Ungdall Edited by: Ungdall on 19/12/2007 04:21:55
Originally by: UneFraiseDansUneChaise
Originally by: HotSeat I touched and now feel sorry for RISE.... missed out on some good friends by the sounds of it.
They took up symbols of a strong Germany, yet spouted forth the nihilistic rhetoric of the usurpers. Lutheranism - the laziest of the Protestant faiths.
I do not miss them.
"Strike not the least of thy brothers with thy hand or word, for he needs most your love and thought"- Brosefs 25:17
The least of your brothers deserves no more than he can defend.
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Ungdall
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 04:33:00 -
[132]
Edited by: Ungdall on 19/12/2007 04:33:47 edit; wrong thread
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Major Donkage
Piss Bottle Junkies
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Posted - 2007.12.19 04:39:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Ungdall Edited by: Ungdall on 19/12/2007 04:33:47 edit; wrong thread
look how stupid u r
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Ungdall
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 04:43:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Major Donkage
Originally by: Ungdall Edited by: Ungdall on 19/12/2007 04:33:47 edit; wrong thread
look how stupid u r
"A fool who learns from his doings wrong, stays not a fool for very long"~Unknown. I'll learn from this mistake, just as goons have learned from their mistakes. You see we have repented our rude, gnashing ways. EVE is a much funner pace when we fight for love, not hate.
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Althair Erin
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 04:43:00 -
[135]
These are all valuable concepts- a shared respect for each other and a willingness to phrase our feelings in a manner that raises the general level of discourse above trolling and alt-posting.
I really appreciate that goons are willing to extend courtesy to each other and other players. In keeping with the tone of this thread, I would like to ask you guys to refrain from posting unless you have an idea to contribute or comment on. I'll give an example:
I think it would be valuable to hold a tour of part of our space- invite members of other alliances to show them something we feel particularly proud about. A station we constructed with minerals we mined with painstaking effort, or a POS we feel particularly proud of the specific choice of fittings. Many people may have never seen a POS before- this would be a good opportunity to introduce them to the idea in a safe area policed by our alliance.
In parting, UneFraise- would you please stop making such intensely negative comments that do nothing to contribute to this thread.
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Major Donkage
Piss Bottle Junkies
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Posted - 2007.12.19 04:49:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Ungdall
Originally by: Major Donkage
Originally by: Ungdall Edited by: Ungdall on 19/12/2007 04:33:47 edit; wrong thread
look how stupid u r
"A fool who learns from his doings wrong, stays not a fool for very long"~Unknown. I'll learn from this mistake, just as goons have learned from their mistakes. You see we have repented our rude, gnashing ways. EVE is a much funner pace when we fight for love, not hate.
funner is the funnest word
hay guyz wuts happenen in dis thread? not vasili z dawg |
Zhukkivah
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 05:06:00 -
[137]
Furthermore,
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Major Donkage
Piss Bottle Junkies
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Posted - 2007.12.19 05:07:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Zhukkivah Furthermore,
look at dat obvious bait dawg
oh whoops
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Althair Erin
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 05:14:00 -
[139]
Please stay on-topic. This is a serious topic, and even though your posts are welcome to involve a light-hearted element we need to preserve our purpose if we want this discussion to continue.
Expanding on my previous post wherein I suggested that guided tours of our space may offer a unique opportunity to others, I would like to hear from other alliances and corporations about what sort of unique experiences they might be willing to offer. If we could set up a variety of mutually interacting programs, we might be able to foster greater inter-alliance communication, which has always been the goal of this thread.
Let's take for example the concept of fostering children with your allies, or even your enemies. What if we did a pilot exchange program, so that we could learn more about the ways in which our friends and opponents operated? Of course some security measures would need to be taken, but I think this is an incredible concept, and the only thing that's needed to put it into reality is your participation. Can you see how much fun this would be? Additionally, the amount of cultural information the 'fostered' pilot would bring back would help all alliances to understand each other better.
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Major Donkage
Piss Bottle Junkies
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Posted - 2007.12.19 05:17:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Althair Erin Expanding on my previous post wherein I suggested that...
look at dis fuggen pseudo-intellectual
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Dafuzz
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.19 05:35:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Althair Erin Please stay on-topic. This is a serious topic, and even though your posts are welcome to involve a light-hearted element we need to preserve our purpose if we want this discussion to continue.
Expanding on my previous post wherein I suggested that guided tours of our space may offer a unique opportunity to others, I would like to hear from other alliances and corporations about what sort of unique experiences they might be willing to offer. If we could set up a variety of mutually interacting programs, we might be able to foster greater inter-alliance communication, which has always been the goal of this thread.
Let's take for example the concept of fostering children with your allies, or even your enemies. What if we did a pilot exchange program, so that we could learn more about the ways in which our friends and opponents operated? Of course some security measures would need to be taken, but I think this is an incredible concept, and the only thing that's needed to put it into reality is your participation. Can you see how much fun this would be? Additionally, the amount of cultural information the 'fostered' pilot would bring back would help all alliances to understand each other better.
Instead of fostering children, which leaves out certain elements crucial to space-faring fun, can we not *****pillage and loot, sowing our seeds randomly and impregnating the enemy females instead?
Tell Mittens you most definitely win the contest.
So sayeth Dafuzz, appointer of Two Beans for CAOD King and Frank Frank his Court Jester.
Frank and Beans 2008
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Major Donkage
Piss Bottle Junkies
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Posted - 2007.12.19 05:37:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: Althair Erin Please stay on-topic. This is a serious topic, and even though your posts are welcome to involve a light-hearted element we need to preserve our purpose if we want this discussion to continue.
Expanding on my previous post wherein I suggested that guided tours of our space may offer a unique opportunity to others, I would like to hear from other alliances and corporations about what sort of unique experiences they might be willing to offer. If we could set up a variety of mutually interacting programs, we might be able to foster greater inter-alliance communication, which has always been the goal of this thread.
Let's take for example the concept of fostering children with your allies, or even your enemies. What if we did a pilot exchange program, so that we could learn more about the ways in which our friends and opponents operated? Of course some security measures would need to be taken, but I think this is an incredible concept, and the only thing that's needed to put it into reality is your participation. Can you see how much fun this would be? Additionally, the amount of cultural information the 'fostered' pilot would bring back would help all alliances to understand each other better.
Instead of fostering children, which leaves out certain elements crucial to space-faring fun, can we not *****pillage and loot, sowing our seeds randomly and impregnating the enemy females instead?
Tell Mittens you most definitely win the contest.
So sayeth Dafuzz, appointer of Two Beans for CAOD King and Frank Frank his Court Jester.
Frank and Beans 2008
/signed
hay guyz wuts happenen in dis thread? not vasili z dawg |
Ungdall
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 05:58:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: Althair Erin Please stay on-topic. This is a serious topic, and even though your posts are welcome to involve a light-hearted element we need to preserve our purpose if we want this discussion to continue.
Expanding on my previous post wherein I suggested that guided tours of our space may offer a unique opportunity to others, I would like to hear from other alliances and corporations about what sort of unique experiences they might be willing to offer. If we could set up a variety of mutually interacting programs, we might be able to foster greater inter-alliance communication, which has always been the goal of this thread.
Let's take for example the concept of fostering children with your allies, or even your enemies. What if we did a pilot exchange program, so that we could learn more about the ways in which our friends and opponents operated? Of course some security measures would need to be taken, but I think this is an incredible concept, and the only thing that's needed to put it into reality is your participation. Can you see how much fun this would be? Additionally, the amount of cultural information the 'fostered' pilot would bring back would help all alliances to understand each other better.
Instead of fostering children, which leaves out certain elements crucial to space-faring fun, can we not *****pillage and loot, sowing our seeds randomly and impregnating the enemy females instead?
Tell Mittens you most definitely win the contest.
So sayeth Dafuzz, appointer of Two Beans for CAOD King and Frank Frank his Court Jester.
Frank and Beans 2008
Oh Fuzzy, how dearly you kick and scream as we draw you ever closer to out maws of joy and love. You have no choice, yet you resist the love. Embrace the Love. Embrace Us.
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Major Donkage
Piss Bottle Junkies
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Posted - 2007.12.19 06:00:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Ungdall Oh Fuzzy, how dearly you kick and scream as we draw you ever closer to out maws of joy and love. You have no choice, yet you resist the love. Embrace the Love. Embrace Us.
its our dawg, our
im da english professor in dis post
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Ungdall
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 06:03:00 -
[145]
fffffffff my fat little goon fingers have been misspelling things throughout this entire thread, and firefox doesn't catch a lick of it since it's not misspelled, but misused.
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Major Donkage
Piss Bottle Junkies
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Posted - 2007.12.19 06:07:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Ungdall fffffffff my fat little goon fingers have been misspelling things throughout this entire thread, and firefox doesn't catch a lick of it since it's not misspelled, but misused.
dont worry dawg ill get u a jenny craig gift card for christmas
hay guyz wuts happenen in dis thread? not vasili z dawg |
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ISD Santiago Cortes
Caldari ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2007.12.19 06:55:00 -
[147]
*Cleaned*
Let us try and keep this most enlightening of threads open so the rest of our brethren may rejoice in its glow.
forum rules | mailto:[email protected] |
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SpaceHonorNinjabot9000
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 07:01:00 -
[148]
Originally by: ISD Santiago Cortes *Cleaned*
Let us try and keep this most enlightening of threads open so the rest of our brethren may rejoice in its glow.
I want to wish you the most happiest of holidays kind sir. May the light of the lord shine down upon you and rain down blessings of bounty unto thee.
In God we trust, SHNB
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Althair Erin
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 07:11:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Jhyme I disagree with the OP. Part of the fun in PvP warfare is cultivating a "healthy" hatred for your opponent. This makes any sense of victory more enjoyable. However, keep in mind that hatred doesn't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive with respect.
Best, Jhyme
I held off on addressing this question for a while, because the issue is a really huge one- maybe the most important for us to try and grapple with inside the discussion we've framed so far. How do we reconcile the fact that a healthy feeling of competition is important, while keeping in mind the need to be fair and kind to our opponents?
I don't know if hatred is the right word to use here. For my part, I'll stick with 'competitiveness' until a better term appears. I'm not sure if hatred can play a constructive role.
I'm glad you point out that we can be opposing each other and still experience respectful feelings. It's exactly that sentiment that's inspired a lot of my ideas so far- like protected tours of the wonders of 0.0 space (I'd go on one), and pilot 'fostering' programs.
EVE is a cultural experience- have we reflected on that enough? The players come from many different countries, speaking many different languages, and everything is filtered through a world of spaceships and lasers. It's a totally unique opportunity. You can say "I didn't just get an experience of making a German/Russian/British/Chinese/Indian/etc friend, I got to experience making an international friend in space!"
Jhyme, and everyone- what do you feel the most effective techniques are for creating an EVE where we experience respect for each other even during competition?
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Jhyme
Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 07:31:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Althair Erin
Originally by: Jhyme I disagree with the OP. Part of the fun in PvP warfare is cultivating a "healthy" hatred for your opponent. This makes any sense of victory more enjoyable. However, keep in mind that hatred doesn't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive with respect.
Best, Jhyme
I held off on addressing this question for a while, because the issue is a really huge one- maybe the most important for us to try and grapple with inside the discussion we've framed so far. How do we reconcile the fact that a healthy feeling of competition is important, while keeping in mind the need to be fair and kind to our opponents?
I don't know if hatred is the right word to use here. For my part, I'll stick with 'competitiveness' until a better term appears. I'm not sure if hatred can play a constructive role.
I'm glad you point out that we can be opposing each other and still experience respectful feelings. It's exactly that sentiment that's inspired a lot of my ideas so far- like protected tours of the wonders of 0.0 space (I'd go on one), and pilot 'fostering' programs.
EVE is a cultural experience- have we reflected on that enough? The players come from many different countries, speaking many different languages, and everything is filtered through a world of spaceships and lasers. It's a totally unique opportunity. You can say "I didn't just get an experience of making a German/Russian/British/Chinese/Indian/etc friend, I got to experience making an international friend in space!"
Jhyme, and everyone- what do you feel the most effective techniques are for creating an EVE where we experience respect for each other even during competition?
I think the answer lies in how you interpret "smacktalking". In some professional sports, such as wrestling/boxing, smacktalking is an institutionally sanctioned event. The telecasters show snippets of the wrestlers/boxers talking trash to one another before fights. This effectively raises the stakes in the wrestling/boxing match-up, and makes the upcoming fight more entertaining. Sports teams, whether it's professional or college sports, has a set of fans that also engage in variations of smacking.
Now compare this to politics. Smacking here often involves mud-slinging and personal attacks. Propaganda isn't aimed at trying to raise the stakes on a particular outcome, but to cut down the opponent independent of whatever outcome occurs.
EVE has both. Over time, some alliances have developed the norm that smacking is negative, and consider a smack-free fight an honorable fight. However, I posit that smacking can be respectful as long as it's non-personal, and kept in the spirit of professional sports-- where there are no politics. Whoever loses the outcome should accept defeat and humiliation. This is a system that promotes competition, as the stakes are raised by smacking. Respect isn't necessarily something that is earned before the fight, it is a relationship between the winner and loser afterwards. If political-oriented or personal propaganda tries to mitigate the roles of winner and loser, creating win-win or lose-lose situations, there can be no respect.
tl;dr : Politics is the culprit.
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Major Donkage
Piss Bottle Junkies
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Posted - 2007.12.19 07:35:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Jhyme
Originally by: Althair Erin
Originally by: Jhyme I disagree with the OP. Part of the fun in PvP warfare is cultivating a "healthy" hatred for your opponent. This makes any sense of victory more enjoyable. However, keep in mind that hatred doesn't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive with respect.
Best, Jhyme
I held off on addressing this question for a while, because the issue is a really huge one- maybe the most important for us to try and grapple with inside the discussion we've framed so far. How do we reconcile the fact that a healthy feeling of competition is important, while keeping in mind the need to be fair and kind to our opponents?
I don't know if hatred is the right word to use here. For my part, I'll stick with 'competitiveness' until a better term appears. I'm not sure if hatred can play a constructive role.
I'm glad you point out that we can be opposing each other and still experience respectful feelings. It's exactly that sentiment that's inspired a lot of my ideas so far- like protected tours of the wonders of 0.0 space (I'd go on one), and pilot 'fostering' programs.
EVE is a cultural experience- have we reflected on that enough? The players come from many different countries, speaking many different languages, and everything is filtered through a world of spaceships and lasers. It's a totally unique opportunity. You can say "I didn't just get an experience of making a German/Russian/British/Chinese/Indian/etc friend, I got to experience making an international friend in space!"
Jhyme, and everyone- what do you feel the most effective techniques are for creating an EVE where we experience respect for each other even during competition?
I think the answer lies in how you interpret "smacktalking". In some professional sports, such as wrestling/boxing, smacktalking is an institutionally sanctioned event. The telecasters show snippets of the wrestlers/boxers talking trash to one another before fights. This effectively raises the stakes in the wrestling/boxing match-up, and makes the upcoming fight more entertaining. Sports teams, whether it's professional or college sports, has a set of fans that also engage in variations of smacking.
Now compare this to politics. Smacking here often involves mud-slinging and personal attacks. Propaganda isn't aimed at trying to raise the stakes on a particular outcome, but to cut down the opponent independent of whatever outcome occurs.
EVE has both. Over time, some alliances have developed the norm that smacking is negative, and consider a smack-free fight an honorable fight. However, I posit that smacking can be respectful as long as it's non-personal, and kept in the spirit of professional sports-- where there are no politics. Whoever loses the outcome should accept defeat and humiliation. This is a system that promotes competition, as the stakes are raised by smacking. Respect isn't necessarily something that is earned before the fight, it is a relationship between the winner and loser afterwards. If political-oriented or personal propaganda tries to mitigate the roles of winner and loser, creating win-win or lose-lose situations, there can be no respect.
tl;dr : Politics is the culprit.
/signed
hay guyz wuts happenen in dis thread? not vasili z dawg |
128th ABC123
Eve Liberation Force Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.19 09:44:00 -
[152]
Pay it forward sucked serious @ss....
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar Sten Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.19 09:47:00 -
[153]
"Maybe next time you find yourself hovering over the wreck of your enemy, you might try convoing them instead of podding. Who knows, you might make a new friend."
Well, i've never attacked another player ever and have only fought out of self defence.
Unfortunately everyone else in the galaxy seems to be massively paranoid. For shame. _
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Dionisius
Gallente Vagabundos
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Posted - 2007.12.19 10:41:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Rhatar Khurin "Maybe next time you find yourself hovering over the wreck of your enemy, you might try convoing them instead of podding. Who knows, you might make a new friend."
Well, i've never attacked another player ever and have only fought out of self defence.
Unfortunately everyone else in the galaxy seems to be massively paranoid. For shame.
Well peeps may be a little paranoid... still that doesn't meen that people aren't out there to get you.
Besides what friends?Last time i was in 0.0 ratting i left another guy ratting and he chose to come after me and atack, so i generously blasted him to oblivion.
One of my alts was rattin in low sec and some "anti pirate" youngster proceeded to kill him to for no aparent reason, a character with less than 3 months at the time, what was the point in both actions?
One guy lost a elite cruiser and my alt a friggie that he bought right after and i proceeded to pop the fine gentleman in form of retribution, so add a bc to the killing.
The op and his alliance are hipocrits, and everyone that adverstises "love and peace" for that matter, as i witnessed countless times people , even the most carebear of the players, will proceed in shooting someone if they think they can do it and get away with it.
I prefer shooting everyone, gunpoint diplomacy, less talking more acting thats the only language people understand, no bs, no hipocrisy and its damn straight to the point. _____________________________________
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Arvo Henderson
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.12.19 11:00:00 -
[155]
@OP: You're right, all this hatred going on is sickening. Nowadays you will be hard pressed not of find a thread where someone claims "hey, this are just a bunch of pixels, RL > intarweb pixel spaceship".
Not that all this bad blood is here for nothing. People feel betrayed, abused and what not. And sometimes rightly so... because if you want rule this game you must be the most ruthless bastard around . This is - by design - a feature of Eve, CCP wanted the Eve world to be harsh, cruel place. But this got out of hand quite a long time ago.
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Dionisius
Gallente Vagabundos
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Posted - 2007.12.19 11:13:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Arvo Henderson @OP: You're right, all this hatred going on is sickening. Nowadays you will be hard pressed not of find a thread where someone claims "hey, this are just a bunch of pixels, RL > intarweb pixel spaceship".
Not that all this bad blood is here for nothing. People feel betrayed, abused and what not. And sometimes rightly so... because if you want rule this game you must be the most ruthless bastard around . This is - by design - a feature of Eve, CCP wanted the Eve world to be harsh, cruel place. But this got out of hand quite a long time ago.
If i remember well RP'ers dislike the other players also and its not the first time i've read requests for a RP server.
And to top it off in EvE you seem to be having the "MTV CELEBRITY CULTURE" were some people seem to have a place above others when they speak and all the sheep go after what they say, even if its pure and utter crap.
So to say its sickening, well deal with it, the older players started this culture, then the others that came continued it and now most of the vets still teach that to the younger ones so were does that leave us, back to square one.
You can say all that you ( you people in general ) want but thats the truth and no one cares because its just words to look good and not to think and act upon them. _____________________________________
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Platinum BabyJesus
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Posted - 2007.12.19 11:18:00 -
[157]
I need a corp with mates sooo full of joy and love like uuu's.. Point me in thy right direction befo I get the snip!
Happy Holidays CCP and here's hoping for a very warm and loving holiday. I have free hugs btw.
Goons better be on gates giving away turkey's too. I'll give a hug.
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Stan Sui
Entropy Systems Mining Co.
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Posted - 2007.12.19 11:48:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Althair Erin In the short time that I have been a player in EVE and a member of Goonswarm, I've observed the incredible amount of hatred and rage that many players feel toward each other, and other corporations. The endless trolling, the smack talk in Local, and a general feeling of contempt between opposing parties. I've seen some few examples of mutual respect, but they appear to be few and far between.
When I fly through space not owned by my Alliance or allies I feel a kind of cold distance between myself and other pilots. No one seems to want to take time to talk before opening up with all guns. Is padding your killboard with my frigate so important, when maybe I just want to talk? Do you feel threatened? My Incursus can't hold a candle to your Vagabond, so why not chat a little? Inter-Alliance communication would be so much more vibrant if there was a greater willingness to communicate.
Where does all this hate come from? I can see that the older generation of players have a long list of grudges and slights and other insults they are trying to avenge, but what about new players? Do we have to adopt the anger and rage of our elders? Should we allow ourselves to be infected by their hate?
I'm not calling for an end to fighting. Most of our ships are designed for the sole purpose of burning other vessels into floating scrap. But wouldn't it be a more beautiful universe if we, the newer generation of players held a greater mutual respect for each other? The hope of the younger generation is their unstained hearts- we haven't had the time to become so jaded or angry that we shut out everyone except our own corporation. We should reach out to each other in the interest of making -everyones- experience better.
Maybe next time you find yourself hovering over the wreck of your enemy, you might try convoing them instead of podding. Who knows, you might make a new friend.
Instead of having a chat with them, offer them loaf, they'll love you for it and you'll be firm friends forever. We're sorry........Something Happened !!!!! |
7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2007.12.19 12:00:00 -
[159]
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 19/12/2007 12:00:56 cool thread, and merry christmas / happy holidays / whatever applies
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Arvo Henderson
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.12.19 12:14:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Dionisius
If i remember well RP'ers dislike the other players also and its not the first time i've read requests for a RP server.
That's a very poor attempt at trolling me.
Originally by: Dionisius
And to top it off in EvE you seem to be having the "MTV CELEBRITY CULTURE" were some people seem to have a place above others when they speak and all the sheep go after what they say, even if its pure and utter crap.
Dude, what you've been smoking this morning? I think you're not feeling too well.
Originally by: Dionisius
So to say its sickening, well deal with it, the older players started this culture, then the others that came continued it and now most of the vets still teach that to the younger ones so were does that leave us, back to square one.
That's what I do - deal with it. But the fact that I deal with it, doesn't mean I enjoy dealing with it.
Originally by: Dionisius
You can say all that you ( you people in general ) want but thats the truth and no one cares because its just words to look good and not to think and act upon them.
I agree with you - nobody cares. But I care, so I post here. If you don't like me posting, well, deal with it.
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Dextro Cornu
Caldari The KSN Xperience
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Posted - 2007.12.19 12:15:00 -
[161]
NICE!
Another Goon thread
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Dionisius
Gallente Vagabundos
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Posted - 2007.12.19 12:48:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Arvo Henderson
Originally by: Dionisius
If i remember well RP'ers dislike the other players also and its not the first time i've read requests for a RP server.
That's a very poor attempt at trolling me.
Originally by: Dionisius
And to top it off in EvE you seem to be having the "MTV CELEBRITY CULTURE" were some people seem to have a place above others when they speak and all the sheep go after what they say, even if its pure and utter crap.
Dude, what you've been smoking this morning? I think you're not feeling too well.
Originally by: Dionisius
So to say its sickening, well deal with it, the older players started this culture, then the others that came continued it and now most of the vets still teach that to the younger ones so were does that leave us, back to square one.
That's what I do - deal with it. But the fact that I deal with it, doesn't mean I enjoy dealing with it.
Originally by: Dionisius
You can say all that you ( you people in general ) want but thats the truth and no one cares because its just words to look good and not to think and act upon them.
I agree with you - nobody cares. But I care, so I post here. If you don't like me posting, well, deal with it.
I'll just say this straight forward, if you think that i was trolling or atempting to sabotage you or your post then you are a very very stupid person.
There is no way in hell you can say it otherwise because thats what happens in here, as in many other games, but still mostly here due to the political nature of the game.
Eg. Some people are noticed more due to the fact of pulling a good stunt in combat, or being charismatic leaders, others that function well as a corp or are know thieves and scammers.
And as such they have the "EvE groupies" that no matter they say something smart or complete crap they support it.
Still don't get it? Ok proceeding,
1- Being old in the game does not grant you any authority over new players, grants you the duty of helping them out if you wish but never throw people down ( ie. what you just did with your disgusting post and what is seen here by many other players )
2- There are RP'ers and i wasn't refering to you in particular that express the wish to see a RP only server, as stated by other players everyone here impersonates their character and due to the IT/CCP Designs this is not possible or will not be implemented.
Saying otherwise is being a hipocrit and putting up an act on CAOD, or wherever you wish to post, just to look good.
3- You can post whenever, wherever and whatever you like, you wrote to the public and i limited myself to share my toughts on the matter because,
I like the RP comunity. I would like to see a bit less of anger in people and a bit more enjoyment of the game. I would certainly like to see the RP's and the other folk that don't a bit more closer in the game and not half isolated in some region and the other half doing whatever they do.
So i don't know you, and yes, you are damn stupid for not taking at least 1 minute of your time, pretty much like 80% of the players around here, and thinkin before replying, "hey, maybe this guy isn't trolling or flaming me and he is actually trying to share or explaing something, let me ask."
Because i am not english, i am not perfect and i sometimes have a bit of trouble explaining my point of view in a language that is the mothertongue for around the majority of players.
So if you still don't get it try to be a bit nice and ASK before assuming sh*t! _____________________________________
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.19 14:19:00 -
[163]
Originally by: ISD Santiago Cortes *Cleaned*
Let us try and keep this most enlightening of threads open so the rest of our brethren may rejoice in its glow.
After reading this, I actually went to the fridge to grab a Pepsi just so I could blast it through my nostrils.
Somehow, reading this response without it just didn't leave me feeling complete.
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von Goethe
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 14:50:00 -
[164]
The opinions given in this thread remind me a lot of another great Poester who had something to say on this matter:
"When you were young and your heart was an open book You used to say life and let life But in this ever changing world in which we live in Makes you give in and cry Say live and let die"
See, initially the younger generation of players to eve, simply because they haven't become immersed in the culture yet, aren't going to contain these biases and hatred(hurf hurf fins, etc.). However, the first time someone gets ganked, they're going to fall into these predjudices.
"What does it matter to ya When you got a job to do You gotta do it well You gotta give the other fellow hell"
So, discounting those who have subscribed to the game in order to be industrialists or space truckers, you recognize the entire point of the game is to pod wardecs. And since it's more difficult to pod someone you've become buddy buddy with, whether we consciously recognize it or not, "give(ing) the other fellow hell" will have to involve smack and derision through stereotype.
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar Sten Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.19 14:51:00 -
[165]
How about a galaxy wide pact of non-aggression for the seasonal period?
Low-priced Mulled wine at corp stations and jaunty hats for all! _
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Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar Sten Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.19 14:55:00 -
[166]
Originally by: von Goethe The opinions given in this thread remind me a lot of another great Poester who had something to say on this matter:
"When you were young and your heart was an open book You used to say life and let life But in this ever changing world in which we live in Makes you give in and cry Say live and let die"
Axl Rose plays EVE? :P _
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Zell Shadowcast
The Greater Goon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 14:55:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Rhatar Khurin How about a galaxy wide pact of non-aggression for the seasonal period?
Low-priced Mulled wine at corp stations and jaunty hats for all!
I like the way you think kind sir, but what better to go with wine than cheeses of all types and a nice, warm sugar cookie.
I am curling up by a fire right now just thinking about it, god bless.
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von Goethe
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 14:56:00 -
[168]
The fact that Axl Rose was your answer shames enough for both of us.
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Iasius
Seven. Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2007.12.19 16:10:00 -
[169]
If you work in an office with its inane politics you need something like EVE to blow off steam 'in character'. So im up for smacktalk if its funny. But what is funny or not is subjective.
dakka dakka dakka lazors die ebil enemy . Full Spectrum Mercenary |
Althair Erin
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 16:13:00 -
[170]
Wow! Look at all these great posts I woke up to! Thanks guys for your thoughtful contributions. I'll do my best to address some of the points raised.
Jhyme:
I do agree with you that there's a place for competition and even competitive language. I think it will be one of the biggest hurdles we face in erecting a more civil society here. It isn't easy to take 'smacktalking' to your face and not feel hurt by it. It would require a concerted effort of the playerbase- and that's exactly what I'm proposing- to take us outside of the realm of the old political hatreds and into a more fun-loving atmosphere. If we could give people the mental concept of the 'artistic' smack that goes on between wrestlers, that might be the most effective way to dilute the vitriol while keeping open the ways of expressing our competitive nature.
Ritualized combat is also a really important factor here. Wrestling of course is full of rituals- Sumo I think is the best example of this. Any fan can tell you that the actual wrestling moment is only part of the show. The elaborate rituals of purification and preparation are just as important. We practice rituals here maybe without even knowing it. What else is saying 'gf' or 'gg' or 'hf' but a way of communicating in a ritualistic fashion? I think we could expand these universal rituals and symbols, flesh them out, because nothing ameliorates ones hard feelings and transforms pain to joy like a ritual that you can really engage with.
Dionisius:
I really like the points you've made. I think that the rest of the EVE community would enjoy some RolePlaying if they gave it a try. Maybe we could combine the idea of 'guided tours' with 'guided roleplay' where some more experienced roleplayers mentor a group of volunteers from other alliances in a short roleplaying session. I bet a lot of the anger or lack of respect for the roleplaying community comes from the fact that people don't actually understand it, or what it can offer in terms of fun.
I'm so glad you also feel that the older generation has a responsibility toward the younger, as the newer players of EVE our attempts to change the tides of history would be strengthened by the support of our elders.
I know Arvo made you mad, but let's try to speak as politely as possible to each other in this thread. You both have said important things, and I don't want either of you to get in trouble for flaming. I think it's your responsibility to preserve your presence here so we can continue this discussion!
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Dionisius
Gallente Vagabundos
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Posted - 2007.12.19 18:15:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Althair Erin
(...)
Dionisius:
I really like the points you've made. I think that the rest of the EVE community would enjoy some RolePlaying if they gave it a try. Maybe we could combine the idea of 'guided tours' with 'guided roleplay' where some more experienced roleplayers mentor a group of volunteers from other alliances in a short roleplaying session. I bet a lot of the anger or lack of respect for the roleplaying community comes from the fact that people don't actually understand it, or what it can offer in terms of fun.
I'm so glad you also feel that the older generation has a responsibility toward the younger, as the newer players of EVE our attempts to change the tides of history would be strengthened by the support of our elders.
I know Arvo made you mad, but let's try to speak as politely as possible to each other in this thread. You both have said important things, and I don't want either of you to get in trouble for flaming. I think it's your responsibility to preserve your presence here so we can continue this discussion!
Well its like this Erin, i'm kinda old school when it comes to playing games, i do it, and i believe in programing for fun.
One of the great reasons i joined EvE, and i regret not joining it sooner, was the comunity, the depth of the game and every other feature.
The thing that i don't get is this, why , if we are one comunity, are the RP'ers away from the other folk?I meen i play this game with a couple of chars and i roleplay in one a law abiding citizen, the other is this character, a darker character with doubious reasons ( or not ) and a third one wich i am still thinkin on what way to follow.
Never ever in any game, have i seen such hostility towards others, i meen, i understand that everyone wants to win, and stand out in the crowd, but at what expense?
I really don't care if Verone is famous, or Star Fraction is the flavour corp of the moment, and certainly i enjoy the great war that is unfolding.
What i don't enjoy, or at least would like someone to enlighten me is the atitude some players take towards others, i meen i know i was arsh in my answer but Arvo could have answered diferently because i was not flaming i was just pointing what some people feel, many don't care about the game or if the foruns are in a bad state atm.
There was a time were i enjoyed reading a post by Seleene were the Mercenary Coalition fought the Pirate Coalition, it was a nice read, or many other anouncements that took place, i even enjoyed reading Crime and Punishment, but now look at it please and tell me, the amount of open threads do they make sense? The atitude of older players scorning younger ones or the elistist atitude, someone might think that their 15 euros are less valuable than the other guys, they are not.
Remember Ginger when he got banned because he lost his temper, provoked by others deliberately?I meen its no excuse but neither they had to provoke that, and an old player got banned and people cheared a sad event, i even got a Evemail saying that one of the involved parties was a celebrity and so it made things ok.
This is a game , sure i want to go and shoot people, Goons want to win to BoB and BoB to goons but at least take into consideration that this is not RL, we play this to abstract ourselves from RL and enjoy a bit of fun with others from around the world in a virtual galaxy.
I think its not to much to ask if people started to be a bit more civilized around here, there is already too much greed and anger in our lives, at work etc, so why bring it in here?
My thoughts on the matter and my apologies to Arvo. _____________________________________
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.19 18:18:00 -
[172]
ITT a goon trys to adopt the community which his alliance mocked and shunned.
Serious business.
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Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar Quam Singulari The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.19 18:20:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: ISD Santiago Cortes *Cleaned*
Let us try and keep this most enlightening of threads open so the rest of our brethren may rejoice in its glow.
After reading this, I actually went to the fridge to grab a Pepsi just so I could blast it through my nostrils.
Somehow, reading this response without it just didn't leave me feeling complete.
You grabbed a pepsi, I grabbed a bucket to puke into.
Janu Hull, your comment leaves a certain distaste, like you are condoning and approving of the content.
If you want to do that, then post the additional stuff with your main, and not in CCP's name as a member of ISD (aka Polaris). --
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SpaceHonorNinjabot9000
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 18:25:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Avon ITT a goon trys to adopt the community which his alliance mocked and shunned.
Serious business.
Even in the Christmas season you cannot find it in your heart to give peace a chance? I will pray for you tonight at church my fellow pod pilot.
Jesus is the reason for the season, SHNB
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Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar Quam Singulari The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.19 18:27:00 -
[175]
Back on topic.
It looks like OHGOD have now directed their forum warriors to move in a new direction.
So be it, but until it is seen that actions follow words in game, it will remain nothing but that, words.
I don't bear a grudge against OHGOD, they just show up red all the time in my overview I can also imagine that many people in the community feel the same way.
You are trying to come to the community with a olive branch after trying to close the server down, how did think that everyone would react ? Welcome you with open arms and say "Hey, all is forgiven." ?
Time will tell if this is only a December stunt. --
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Drakma
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 18:33:00 -
[176]
i read all of this thinking it was a pepsi ad.
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Allister Feind
V I R I I Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2007.12.19 18:55:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Back on topic.
It looks like OHGOD have now directed their forum warriors to move in a new direction.
So be it, but until it is seen that actions follow words in game, it will remain nothing but that, words.
I don't bear a grudge against OHGOD, they just show up red all the time in my overview I can also imagine that many people in the community feel the same way.
You are trying to come to the community with a olive branch after trying to close the server down, how did think that everyone would react ? Welcome you with open arms and say "Hey, all is forgiven." ?
Time will tell if this is only a December stunt.
LMAO! do you really believe this is anything but a goonie joke post? if the OP was serious he would have been kicked by now! they are all laughing at you for taking the bait
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Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar Quam Singulari The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.19 19:03:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Allister Feind LMAO! do you really believe this is anything but a goonie joke post? if the OP was serious he would have been kicked by now! they are all laughing at you for taking the bait
I guess you didn't read the whole thread, or my posts from yesterday evening starting on page 2.
Of course I don't take goons posts seriously, I'm just waiting for their next response, be it religious, or feel sorry for us because we feel misunderstood, or that its the Christmas and asking people to join and help blob others. --
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Montasque
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 19:07:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Back on topic.
It looks like OHGOD have now directed their forum warriors to move in a new direction.
So be it, but until it is seen that actions follow words in game, it will remain nothing but that, words.
I don't bear a grudge against OHGOD, they just show up red all the time in my overview I can also imagine that many people in the community feel the same way.
You are trying to come to the community with a olive branch after trying to close the server down, how did think that everyone would react ? Welcome you with open arms and say "Hey, all is forgiven." ?
Time will tell if this is only a December stunt.
We as an alliance have made many mistakes.
One principle I want to explain really quick which is textbook evolutionary psychology is the idea of the least costly mistake. Because organisms have to make all their decisions based on imperfect information, they're always going to make mistakes. You always try to make the best percentage choice that you can, but you're always going to screw up at some point. At some point you're gonna be wrong, no matter how good your decision is.
Our alliance has been wrong to treat the average player of EvE wrong, it was a mistake. We deserve the right to try and show that we can be better, and pay it forward.
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Althair Erin
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 19:08:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Allister Feind
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Back on topic.
It looks like OHGOD have now directed their forum warriors to move in a new direction.
So be it, but until it is seen that actions follow words in game, it will remain nothing but that, words.
I don't bear a grudge against OHGOD, they just show up red all the time in my overview I can also imagine that many people in the community feel the same way.
You are trying to come to the community with a olive branch after trying to close the server down, how did think that everyone would react ? Welcome you with open arms and say "Hey, all is forgiven." ?
Time will tell if this is only a December stunt.
LMAO! do you really believe this is anything but a goonie joke post? if the OP was serious he would have been kicked by now! they are all laughing at you for taking the bait
I'm not laughing. Your accusations are not only hurtful, they add nothing to this really good conversation.
I'm glad to hear you don't bear a grudge, because that's a really huge hurdle that a lot of players are facing- the fact that they do carry some serious grudges toward each other and other alliances.
What troubles me here is the idea that I am included in the same sentence as the accusation 'try to close the server down' when I don't even know what you mean. I read our internal forums, talk regularly to my fellow pilots, but whatever you are talking about must be before my time if it ever happened. Which is exactly the point I've been making- I'm standing out here and saying "Yes, my ticker says GoonFleet but it's wrong to identify me and so many other new players with the grudges of the past"
So can you tell me honestly, do you -want- to have someone to hate, or would you prefer it if we could all communicate more openly and with a greater sense of community?
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SpaceHonorNinjabot9000
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 19:51:00 -
[181]
Edited by: SpaceHonorNinjabot9000 on 19/12/2007 19:51:12 Dont taze me bro - (Brosefs 3:16) Leave Britney alone! - (Brosefs II 4:20)
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Orebuster
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 20:16:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Allister Feind
LMAO! do you really believe this is anything but a goonie joke post? if the OP was serious he would have been kicked by now! they are all laughing at you for taking the bait
Apparently, we aren't going to be allowed to turn over a new leaf. The deeds of those pilots who've preceeded us are to brand us forever. If I was in your position, I would welcome a change of heart by GS, but I understand your suspicion. How about giving us the benefit of the doubt. There is an old Hebrew expression, "If you're going to make a mistake, make it in your favor". What I mean is, it can't hurt you to allow a kinder, gentler GF to flourish, why do you want to tear it down before it can even grow?
"Walk down that lonesome road All by yourself Don't turn your head Back over your shoulder And only stop to rest yourself When the silver moon Is shining high Above the trees....
If I had stopped to listen once or twice If I had closed my mouth and opened my eyes If I had cooled my head and warmed my heart I'd not be on This road tonight
Carry on, Carry on Never mind feeling sorry for yourself It doesn't save you from your troubled mind
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Illyria Ambri
RennTech
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Posted - 2007.12.19 21:36:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Althair Erin In the short time that I have been a player in EVE and a member of Goonswarm, I've observed the incredible amount of hatred and rage that many players feel toward each other, and other corporations.
When I fly through space not owned by my Alliance or allies I feel a kind of cold distance between myself and other pilots. No one seems to want to take time to talk before opening up with all guns.
Geee I wonder why...
Originally by: Althair Erin
Where does all this hate come from?
Forum spamming Goonies ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
Here come the Drums!! - The Master
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Dionisius
Gallente Vagabundos
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Posted - 2007.12.19 21:44:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Avon ITT a goon trys to adopt the community which his alliance mocked and shunned.
Serious business.
What makes yours so different? _____________________________________
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Althair Erin
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 22:21:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Originally by: Althair Erin In the short time that I have been a player in EVE and a member of Goonswarm, I've observed the incredible amount of hatred and rage that many players feel toward each other, and other corporations.
When I fly through space not owned by my Alliance or allies I feel a kind of cold distance between myself and other pilots. No one seems to want to take time to talk before opening up with all guns.
Geee I wonder why...
Originally by: Althair Erin
Where does all this hate come from?
Forum spamming Goonies
Thanks for your input! Could you please go into some more depth about your objections when posting to this thread? As I've said quite often, I'm really aiming to encourage deeper discussion between members of this forum.
You've said here that the response to perceiving something as spam is hatred. Isn't that pretty extreme? Hatred to me means something almost like pain, where your face gets flushed and your heart pounds and your hands clench and you just want to lash out at someone. Is that the typical response when you see something as spam?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this clinging to the past hurtful for everyone involved? I've tried to be very clear that what is going on in this thread is a sincere effort to communicate. I would also have to say that overall the quality of posting recently has been excellent, very informative and thoughtful.
I would be happy to talk more about your issues with spam, but I hope you'll be open-minded enough to allow for the possibility of friendly conversation.
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Ungdall
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.19 22:31:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Montasque
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Back on topic.
It looks like OHGOD have now directed their forum warriors to move in a new direction.
So be it, but until it is seen that actions follow words in game, it will remain nothing but that, words.
I don't bear a grudge against OHGOD, they just show up red all the time in my overview I can also imagine that many people in the community feel the same way.
You are trying to come to the community with a olive branch after trying to close the server down, how did think that everyone would react ? Welcome you with open arms and say "Hey, all is forgiven." ?
Time will tell if this is only a December stunt.
We as an alliance have made many mistakes.
One principle I want to explain really quick which is textbook evolutionary psychology is the idea of the least costly mistake. Because organisms have to make all their decisions based on imperfect information, they're always going to make mistakes. You always try to make the best percentage choice that you can, but you're always going to screw up at some point. At some point you're gonna be wrong, no matter how good your decision is.
Our alliance has been wrong to treat the average player of EvE wrong, it was a mistake. We deserve the right to try and show that we can be better, and pay it forward.
My dear, dear friend, you have put into words what I could not even dare to think, so my daring would have created a jumble of words and a mess of false cognitions. You have so perfectly stated that we, as Goons, have made mistakes and taken man missteps. Yet, should we not have the chance to repair our damage done? We are as podpeople as you are, and if you cut us, will not we not let off a shower of sparks and oddly colored fluid just as you?
"Give the wounded time to heal, and lend them a hand in aid, and they will make you strong." -Brosefs 20:15
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Markus Chen
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.20 03:22:00 -
[187]
This is the most helpful thread I've read in CAOD so far.
I wish everyone else would spend more time coming up with good ideas instead of mocking each other. That doesn't get us anywhere. When I joined EVE I wanted to make a lot of new friends, and the goons have been really nice. I like the idea of crossing party lines so that we can pass bi-partisan measures that will make everything better for all of us.
Since the OP wants people to make suggestions, I think that we should create a new service division in GoonFleet that reaches out to the newbies of other corporations (and those who don't have one yet), helping to guide them in the big scary world that EVE can be. They could hang out in Empire and help answer questions, give advice on level one missions and career training. It'd be a great way to make new friends.
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Magicbob
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.20 04:52:00 -
[188]
Edited by: Magicbob on 20/12/2007 04:55:01 You know, I kind of agree with Markus. I have a few friends IRL (lol goonies don't have friends in real life) that are playing eve right now, and it was kind of :unsmith: mentoring them.
Also, it's always fun getting convoed by the guy who just blew me up and having a talk about ship fittings and whatnot. Or when, every once and a while, a random bob guy joins our teamspeak server and has a polite conversation with us.
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UneFraiseDansUneChaise
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.20 10:25:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Iasius If you work in an office with its inane politics you need something like EVE to blow off steam 'in character'. So im up for smacktalk if its funny. But what is funny or not is subjective.
dakka dakka dakka lazors die ebil enemy
Come into our teamspeak, brosef. We can talk about this great book by this guy named Knee-chay or something a hobo left on my doorstep.
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Pesadel0
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2007.12.20 10:49:00 -
[190]
I will bite your lawl thread.
1-We donŠt like you ,because you donŠt like us.
2-If this is true ,mittani change the forums wairriors ,because this is as low as it gets,at least bob is evil to the end ,maybe you can maintain your stupiditty on forums like you always did.
3-Did you saw who respondead to the thread?Mainlly goons you know why?Because people (the average eveplayer) ,read the op and saw that he is a goon and say "another junk poast".
4-I say go down in flames with your stupidity/foffofo/serius bussines attitude to the end,donŠt come here especting people to forget to forgive .As i said go until you disband like a alliance off pubbies and aparenttly stupid/offensive people to the end. At least with BoB we always knew they were always riding like pretensius b****** like they are know and the still are doing it.
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UneFraiseDansUneChaise
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.20 10:56:00 -
[191]
The weakling has much reason to be suspicious of his betters.
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Dav Barsco
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.20 11:04:00 -
[192]
Why is there so much hate and doubt for me and my fellow Goons? Do people truly believe that good people don't exist in the Swarm?
Surely our postings in this very forum over the past few day prove otherwise?
Greetings of the season to one and all.
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128th ABC123
Eve Liberation Force Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.20 12:46:00 -
[193]
bull+**** - Vulgar Slang n. 1. Foolish, deceitful, or boastful language. 2. Something worthless, deceptive, or insincere. 3. Insolent talk or behavior. v. bull+**** also bull+shat (-sht) or bull+****+ted (-shtd), bull+****+ting, bull+****s v.intr. 1. To speak foolishly or insolently. 2. To engage in idle conversation. v.tr. To attempt to mislead or deceive by talking nonsense. adj. Very angry; incensed. interj. Used to express extreme displeasure or exasperation.
ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words AntonymsNoun 1. bull**** - obscene words for unacceptable behavior; "I put up with a lot of bull**** from that jerk"; "what he said was mostly bull" dog****, horse****, Irish bull, ****, crap, bull bunkum, guff, hogwash, buncombe, rot, bunk - unacceptable behavior (especially ludicrously false statements) dirty word, vulgarism, obscenity, smut, filth - an offensive or indecent word or phrase Verb 1. bull**** - speak insincerely or without regard for facts or truths; "The politician was not well prepared for the debate and faked it" talk through one's hat, bull, fake dissemble, feign, pretend, sham, affect - make believe with the intent to deceive; "He feigned that he was ill"; "He shammed a headache"
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Arvo Henderson
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.12.20 13:12:00 -
[194]
Edited by: Arvo Henderson on 20/12/2007 13:13:23
Originally by: Dionisius
I'll just say this straight forward, if you think that i was trolling or atempting to sabotage you or your post then you are a very very stupid person.
I am not a native speaker either. I am not old, just middle-aged. I wasn't intending to sound patronizing. The RP I practise doesn't consist in eluding interaction with non-RP entities. I am not a celebrity.
No longer necessary See post below.
Now I will be nice and I tell you: Have a nice day!
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Arvo Henderson
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.12.20 13:12:00 -
[195]
Edited by: Arvo Henderson on 20/12/2007 13:13:39
Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: Althair Erin
My thoughts on the matter and my apologies to Arvo.
Apologies accepted.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.20 14:07:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Markus Chen This is the most helpful thread I've read in CAOD so far.
I wish everyone else would spend more time coming up with good ideas instead of mocking each other. That doesn't get us anywhere. When I joined EVE I wanted to make a lot of new friends, and the goons have been really nice. I like the idea of crossing party lines so that we can pass bi-partisan measures that will make everything better for all of us.
Since the OP wants people to make suggestions, I think that we should create a new service division in GoonFleet that reaches out to the newbies of other corporations (and those who don't have one yet), helping to guide them in the big scary world that EVE can be. They could hang out in Empire and help answer questions, give advice on level one missions and career training. It'd be a great way to make new friends.
Made me giggle. Even if you were serious. I wouldn't have giggled, if a non-goon had said that. I just don't expect something like that from a Goon, I mean that he also is serious about it. Goonfleet has trained many of us to read their poasts in a certain way. Yes sorry, a serious goon posting about being nice makes me giggle hard. It seems to me as reasonable as flying pigs at the moment. Give me a bit time, then maybe I can believe in one or the other Goons trying to spread some love again.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.12.20 14:17:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Dav Barsco Why is there so much hate and doubt for me and my fellow Goons? Do people truly believe that good people don't exist in the Swarm?
Surely our postings in this very forum over the past few day prove otherwise?
Greetings of the season to one and all.
yes its true 24 hours of ******** "we are fluffy bunny popsting" has made all of eve stop thinking of goons as game breaking, ccp blackmailing, forum spamming, back stabbing, exploiting pieces of crap that are screwing up a great game.
If you wanna impress stfu on the forums with your ******** drivel.
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Kyrie Elaison
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.12.20 14:21:00 -
[198]
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Dav Barsco Why is there so much hate and doubt for me and my fellow Goons? Do people truly believe that good people don't exist in the Swarm?
Surely our postings in this very forum over the past few day prove otherwise?
Greetings of the season to one and all.
yes its true 24 hours of ******** "we are fluffy bunny popsting" has made all of eve stop thinking of goons as game breaking, ccp blackmailing, forum spamming, back stabbing, exploiting pieces of crap that are screwing up a great game.
If you wanna impress stfu on the forums with your ******** drivel.
If you were a character from Greek mythology, you'd be a "special" Sisyphus. You keep pushing this boulder of hate and will never understand the pure comedy of it.
Oh, by the way, you and all the other morons need to look up the word blackmail. Your sheer ignorance is amusing, but, given the season, I'm trying to give something back and help you out of your abyss of mediocrity. Might want to look those words up, too.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.12.20 14:37:00 -
[199]
Edited by: marakor on 20/12/2007 14:39:05
Originally by: Kyrie Elaison BLAH BLAH self deluded drivel BLAH BLAH.
Goons have done nothing for eve apart from turn combat back 4 years.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.20 14:40:00 -
[200]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 20/12/2007 14:44:55 Personally I don't hate Goons, it's just that taking their posts seriously was usually just a bad idea. Goon posts are not to be taken seriously ! If you think they are serious, the alarm bell rings in your head and you think: 'It's a trap !'
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Ungdall
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.20 15:19:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Plutoinum Edited by: Plutoinum on 20/12/2007 14:44:55 Personally I don't hate Goons, it's just that taking their posts seriously was usually just a bad idea. Goon posts are not to be taken seriously ! If you think they are serious, the alarm bell rings in your head and you think: 'It's a trap !'
Of course it's a trap, for once your heart embraces love, it will never let go. Love with Us. Join Us. Become Us. Be Us.
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Yussef
Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.20 15:43:00 -
[202]
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 20/12/2007 14:39:05
Originally by: Kyrie Elaison BLAH BLAH self deluded drivel BLAH BLAH.
Goons have done nothing for eve apart from turn combat back 4 years.
That's because we are a peace loving alliance and believe war should be done away with.
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Althair Erin
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.20 17:05:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Plutoinum Edited by: Plutoinum on 20/12/2007 14:44:55 Personally I don't hate Goons, it's just that taking their posts seriously was usually just a bad idea. Goon posts are not to be taken seriously ! If you think they are serious, the alarm bell rings in your head and you think: 'It's a trap !'
This is an extremely serious issue, thanks for bringing it up. The concept of trust, and the inability to trust the truth or sincerity of another players words is an absolutely huge obstacle to any kind of communication.
I hope that so far I've demonstrated that I'm fully willing and capable to talk honestly, and that this will encourage you and others to take this conversation seriously.
My hopefulness comes in part from the fact that I am not part of the 'old guard' of goon players that many people seem to take issue with. The fact that I'm new should mean that I deserve at least a chance to show my quality before you judge me- prejudging someone because of their alliance is one of the points I've spoken out against as strenuously as possible here.
So in the interest of furthering this dialogue (which in my opinion has been very productive, and had great success in drawing the interest of many different players and corporations) I thought I should offer something else! If anyone is curious about the experience of being a new and rather optimistic member of the swarm, I would welcome your questions. I would really like to dispel your concerns or misconceptions to the best of my ability. I hope I've already made a start on the issue of the lack of trust. Of course we have to remember that we're taking things on a case by case basis. It's important to distinguish here between "This man is speaking for all goons" and "This man is a goon and is speaking for himself."
Similarly, I'm willing to talk to you as an individual pilot with no concern for your affiliation.
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Cvuos
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.20 17:14:00 -
[204]
Seriously, I hope that one day we can see peace throughout Eve.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.12.20 18:12:00 -
[205]
Edited by: marakor on 20/12/2007 18:12:27
Originally by: Yussef
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 20/12/2007 14:39:05
Originally by: Kyrie Elaison BLAH BLAH self deluded drivel BLAH BLAH.
Goons have done nothing for eve apart from turn combat back 4 years.
That's because we are a peace loving alliance and believe war should be done away with.
Im sure bob will be pleased that your invasion plans are now halted seeing as you now are a peaceful alliance and are doing away with war.
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FOEHAMMER006
Damage Unlimited Inc Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.20 18:18:00 -
[206]
They are only miners ofc
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Yussef
Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.20 19:00:00 -
[207]
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 20/12/2007 18:12:27
Originally by: Yussef
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 20/12/2007 14:39:05
Originally by: Kyrie Elaison BLAH BLAH self deluded drivel BLAH BLAH.
Goons have done nothing for eve apart from turn combat back 4 years.
That's because we are a peace loving alliance and believe war should be done away with.
Im sure bob will be pleased that your invasion plans are now halted seeing as you now are a peaceful alliance and are doing away with war.
Consider it a war to end all wars.
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The Hooch
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.20 19:53:00 -
[208]
Oh good night princess, do you need a tissue and flowers to make you feel better?
I don't hate anyone in this game, I just want your loot to sell so I don't have to really work for it...
Guns are for shooting, I am a thief, do the math.
Hooch
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
Kyrie Elaison
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.12.20 22:49:00 -
[209]
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 20/12/2007 14:39:05
Originally by: Kyrie Elaison BLAH BLAH self deluded drivel BLAH BLAH.
Goons have done nothing for eve apart from turn combat back 4 years.
I love this line of argument. It's bitterness made flesh. Once you're done listing your excuses, you still know you're losing and it's not even close. Maybe you should figure out what you've done wrong on your end (failure to take risks, poor diplomacy, bizarre strategic planning) before simply pointing fingers and saying "Blobbers, cheaters, etc."
Oh, I know you claim not to be a Bob alt, but let's give up the pretense. You're either in Bob or a diehard ally of theirs because of the sheer level of your bitterness.
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Elder Bob
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.20 22:52:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Kyrie Elaison
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 20/12/2007 14:39:05
Originally by: Kyrie Elaison BLAH BLAH self deluded drivel BLAH BLAH.
Goons have done nothing for eve apart from turn combat back 4 years.
I love this line of argument. It's bitterness made flesh. Once you're done listing your excuses, you still know you're losing and it's not even close. Maybe you should figure out what you've done wrong on your end (failure to take risks, poor diplomacy, bizarre strategic planning) before simply pointing fingers and saying "Blobbers, cheaters, etc."
Oh, I know you claim not to be a Bob alt, but let's give up the pretense. You're either in Bob or a diehard ally of theirs because of the sheer level of your bitterness.
If his main is who I think it is, he's actually blue to us. He was in one of the LV reject alliances until pretty reecently though.
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Rocka Stargirl
The Greater Goon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.23 20:59:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Cvuos Seriously, I hope that one day we can see peace throughout Eve.
Kind of like we have in the south. Except for that one stubborn bit. ---
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Tripden
SGL
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Posted - 2008.01.23 21:15:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Althair Erin When I fly through space not owned by my Alliance or allies
Thats +60% of all 0.0... :) oh and you are in the wrong alliance if you want to be "loved" :)
But hey good luck out ther, you can bet that i will drop you a "friendly" line or two after i blow up your ship...
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CobraBytez
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.23 21:22:00 -
[213]
Groon :cripes:
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Althair Erin
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.23 21:52:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Tripden
Originally by: Althair Erin When I fly through space not owned by my Alliance or allies
Thats +60% of all 0.0... :) oh and you are in the wrong alliance if you want to be "loved" :)
But hey good luck out ther, you can bet that i will drop you a "friendly" line or two after i blow up your ship...
I'm going to have to strongly disagree with you there. I've gotten a lot of love and kindness from members of my corp and alliance, and our friends. People have a skewed perception of my fellows. Some of them might seem shifty or annoying but overall they're solid, trustworthy and helpful.
Do you have to wait until after a violent encounter to start a conversation? I don't mind trading shots in space (isn't that what a lot of this game is about?) but by putting your "friendly" in quotes you lead me to think that you won't actually have anything personable to say at all. I think we should be able to relate to each other as players, without presupposing anything based on alliances. For example, I don't place any kind of assumption on your character due to your being in SGL. Although I don't know if that's the best example because I've never actually heard of SGL before. Where do you guys live?
-------------- The Hope of the younger generation
Come help build a better, more civil EVE! |
Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.23 22:10:00 -
[215]
There's players, and there's emo players. Emo players hate for real, players hate as needed. Old or new has preciously little to do with that.
[center] Old blog |
Atsiz Zhurenh
Minmatar modro Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2008.01.23 22:59:00 -
[216]
I agree with Althair. I love to blow up neuts and reds... but there is no reason one can't be friendly and banter once in a while with someone that isn't blue. After all, it's just a game, and games are supposed to be fun.
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DogTyred
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.01.23 23:04:00 -
[217]
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
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Dose One
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.24 10:23:00 -
[218]
Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom WOW, that is the first goon thread that I have read that wasent flaming someone.
I do make posts like this, but there's something about cannabis threads and CAOD that just doesn't quite mix right. Owing to lack of Eve-related content, signature removed. If you would like to discuss this, please mail [email protected] - Mitnal |
Thak Navari
Caldari Uneasy Corp Te-Ka
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Posted - 2008.01.24 13:03:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Atama Cardel
Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom WOW, that is the first goon thread that I have read that wasent flaming someone.
I know how you feel, but goonswarm is trying to repent our flaming sins and turn CAOD into a wonderful garden of eden that it once was. Come here my brother so I may embrace you in my arms and spread the love
So what you mean is it wasnt Adam and Eve it is Atama and Steve?
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Althair Erin
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.24 13:33:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Thak Navari Edited by: Thak Navari on 24/01/2008 13:26:41
Originally by: Atama Cardel
Originally by: Boom ChickaBoom WOW, that is the first goon thread that I have read that wasent flaming someone.
I know how you feel, but goonswarm is trying to repent our flaming sins and turn CAOD into a wonderful garden of eden that it once was. Come here my brother so I may embrace you in my arms and spread the love
So what you mean is it wasnt Adam and Eve, it is Atama and Steve?
Actually I understand what the OP means as a new player myself. I dont judge on the color of the standings, but on the content of their character.
It warms my heart to hear stuff like this. Thanks for not only taking this discussion seriously but actually carrying the same sentiment of fair judgment with you when you play. -------------- The Hope of the younger generation
Come help build a better, more civil EVE! |
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Mercenary Services
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Posted - 2008.01.24 13:51:00 -
[221]
The goons are a pest which should be eredicated. I have no respect for goonswarm what so ever.
The use of tactics There politics The lies The forum whoring the smack talk and the fofofoofof and laughing about real life deaths of people
is just to much.. ->My Vids<-
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128th ABC123
Eve Liberation Force Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.24 15:00:00 -
[222]
Edited by: 128th ABC123 on 24/01/2008 15:01:41 Edited by: 128th ABC123 on 24/01/2008 15:00:25
Originally by: Garia666 and laughing about real ife deaths of people
Where and why would they do that? Having a laugh and portraying yourself like "goons" on the forum or in a video game i get, but what's funny bout real people dying?
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Mercenary Services
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Posted - 2008.01.24 15:11:00 -
[223]
Originally by: 128th ABC123 Edited by: 128th ABC123 on 24/01/2008 15:01:41 Edited by: 128th ABC123 on 24/01/2008 15:00:25
Originally by: Garia666 and laughing about real ife deaths of people
Where and why would they do that? Having a laugh and portraying yourself like "goons" on the forum or in a video game i get, but what's funny bout real people dying?
thats not funny.. thats the whole point.. ->My Vids<-
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Jadzia Blue
Department of Truth Enhancement
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Posted - 2008.01.24 16:33:00 -
[224]
Oh shut up.
It's black comedy, give it up already.
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Threv Echandari
Caldari Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.24 18:34:00 -
[225]
Edited by: Threv Echandari on 24/01/2008 18:35:33
Originally by: Jadzia Blue Oh shut up.
It's black comedy, give it up already.
and That, Althair is exactly why the Goons get no RL Respect. Their history of "Meta Humor" and "Black Comedy" (used as excuses to be rude and mean) puts enough people off that the kind of respect and "just enjoy the Game" type sentiments you express aren't taken seriously. When I read your first post, I thought it was another GF jokepost (considering the source) but you've been pretty consistent, so your either sincere or a a very good Troll (are you sure your not Tarminics' Alt?) either way I'll bite.
That said the amount of "Bad blood" due to comments and posts by Goons in General (BoB is Not excluded here either but Goons just took it to another level it seems) in the past is hard for alot of old timers to put aside. Some truely tasteless and mean OOG stuff has been spewed in the past. (much of it has been deleted my the mods its was just soo bad) that if you knew you would not wonder why there is so much animosity toward your Brosefs. I'm sure your having fun and it sounds like GF takes care of their Noobs and its all good for you, and maybe you don't understand why all the Hate is out there when all you all are doing is trying to have some fun like the rest of us. And I get what your trying to say, Nobody is really asking anybody to lay down the lasers and sing Kum-Bay-Ya as we conga line around Jita, but a little more civility between we players on the Forums and in "Space" would be nice.
I much prefer to hear "GF" than "FU";I know there's a human on the other end of the screen and just because I have internet anonymity doesn't mean I have to be a pendejo because "I can". Not everybody see's it this way though and thats where the fun stops and the emo begins. Good luck luck on your quest to reform Eve, Your going to need it.
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Van'Klomp
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.01.24 19:23:00 -
[226]
Originally by: DogTyred Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
Actually, no.
Because when the fighting stops peace is still possible
------ This is a signature, no?
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Jadzia Blue
Department of Truth Enhancement
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Posted - 2008.01.24 19:40:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Threv Echandari
And that, Althair, is exactly why the Goons get no RL Respect. Their history of "Meta Humor" and "Black Comedy" (used as excuses to be rude and mean) puts enough people off that the kind of respect and "just enjoy the Game" type sentiments you express aren't taken seriously. When I read your first post, I thought it was another GF jokepost (considering the source) but you've been pretty consistent, so your either sincere or a a very good Troll (are you sure your not Tarminics' Alt?) either way I'll bite.
You don't get it. You can either laugh at death, or get all ******** and emo over it. Getting ******** and emo takes more facial muscles.
How's this for tinfoil?
Smokse never existed. He was a fictional person made up during the Great BoB BBQ of 1865, and he was killed off because the Illuminati BoB knew how the Goons would react, thus providing the excuse for this conflict of conflicts.
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w0rmy
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.01.25 11:22:00 -
[228]
Edited by: w0rmy on 25/01/2008 11:23:22
Originally by: Dafuzz
And your CEO absolutely hates me IRL. Ask him, if he doesn't answer, ask Stoffer.
Then come back and ask me if I care
"I dont care, but i'll bring your attention to it anyway"
Oh and...
I dont know anyone from eve in real life, so cant hate anyone anyway.
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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Is forporn
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.01.25 11:27:00 -
[229]
Please post constructively. ~Saint
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.26 06:54:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Garia666 The goons are a pest which should be eredicated. I have no respect for goonswarm what so ever.
The use of tactics There politics The lies The forum whoring the smack talk and the fofofoofof and laughing about real life deaths of people
is just to much..
this hurts my feelings i care a lot about the respect and acclaim of the eve-online community, you sir have made a powerful enemy this day, i must do what i can to restore my honor
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Jason Travers
Space 1999
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Posted - 2008.03.11 20:19:00 -
[231]
You must have been th eone to write their recruitment page.
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2726213 Mommy that mean ole bear just dukied in my sandbox. :( |
AIchemist
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Posted - 2008.03.13 12:46:00 -
[232]
I wonder myself sometimes about the EVE community.I enjoy playing EVE because of the people that play.For the most part it seems very grown up compared to most MMO's.
The funny part is that it's a catch 22.The very thing that inthralls me with EVE(politics) also just makes me shake my head.Sometimes it just seems people go a bit over board.However EVE is a different beast than any other MMO and thast why I came back.
The reason I think it's mostly ok and I shrug alot of the E-hate off, is it seems in character for most.If there are those that it's not, well they need help.
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Sinc
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Posted - 2008.03.13 14:37:00 -
[233]
I would shoot at an neutral/red/orange frig in 0,0 at anytime, mostly because they should never think they are safe, even in a frig.
I dont look at corps/alliance ... only blues or not blue, that the only way to work in 0,0 in my opinion.
Some might call it arogant, but then again if you let them go one time, they might comeback in a bigger ship or with their friends. So easier just to kill them and move on. --------------------------- .:Sinc:. |
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