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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.03.02 19:37:00 -
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You know what is inherintly wrong about trying to say that star trek can fight at warp speeds? Less than 1% of the time its ever done which also further dictates additional stupidty on Trekkers part.
Lets look at another universe that claims to fight at warp speed.
Honorverse.
They developed thier means of FTL via gravity wedging though space which is like trying to shove a golf ball though a frictionless hose that is much smaller than than the ball itself.
99% of all battles mentioned in honor harrigton ARE in FTL speeds. The few times they drop into sub light are usually demands for surrender, conserving power, or the node rings that makes the gravity wedges are stuck down, or you caught them with thier pants down and rammed a few warheads up thier tail pipes.
This here is a war culture, where they see stupidity for what it is, it kills people.
I can also see a honor harrigton ship royalying one volleying any star trek ship into vapor. One mk 32 missile from honorverse outputs about 100 lasing rods at fusion powered detontation which would be like getting nailed by 40 phaser blasts all at once and thier missiles dont near miss ever. Missile would go gee I just missed my taret BOOM! Lasing rods will still strip away the shields armor and whatever it can rake off in the pass. Which would royally screw any trekker that decided oh I just need to put my forward shields up.
And class wise these honor verse ships the size of the enterprise can get 1000 warp capable birds in flight at long ranges poissbly more with additional technologies from various sub cultures within honor verse. it may be a one time feat until resupply but 1000 birds none the less makes MUCH larger ships go oh @#$% duck thier head between thier legs and say good bye because the are entirley unable to stop that many missiles.
BTW star trek shields are screwed agianst any direct hit form a honor harrigton warhead the only real defense is a stronger gravity wedge. Weges would pry apart any weaker fields and materials into obvlion and once inside ship those lasers will be powerful enough to make the ship go nuclear from the mateirals it over ecxictes.
And meh
Photon Masers dont sound all that good of a weapon to use against other ships. Which some eggheads aggree weapon protrayed in the show is a maser not a fancier laser.
and before you go off on saying that honor harrigton lasers arent that powerful.
Star treck uses a crystal focus still.
Honor Harrigton lasers uses gravity to lense the laser.
I can tell you which one burns out first.
And missile range on one of the best missiles deployed for system defenses is 180Mkms in honor harrigton.
Which is entirely feasble considering they shoved the equivalent of four warp drives in the damn thing.
One more thing, Star Trek has absolutely no electronic warfare nor do they have an intel force capable of stealing entire technologies nor do they seem to have intelligent enough people to develop workarounds within months of getting thier asses whopped. It took them what a good 30 years to go back to FIREARMS to kill borg? wtf....
Which really brings into the question that if borg can adapt thier barriers to protect themselves against a energy weapon quickly but not a projectile.
How much damage a hyperlight antiship dart going though the longest beam of hte enterpirse could cause?
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Yoma Karima
Kuloldas
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Posted - 2012.03.03 00:48:00 -
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Wait a second 75% of the honervers battles take place inside star systems where they can only go 99.999% the speed of light due to the warp barrier. the only FTL battles i can think of off hand are fought in the confederacy inside the gravity rifts. not a troll by the way just adding to the accuracy of your argument.
I noticed you left out the gravity shield side walls, bow walls, and rear walls (the wedge only covers the top and belly of the ship but its impenetrable) Also the shipboard Grazers, Lazier clusters used to shoot down incoming missiles, the LAC and their carriers, the new FTL linked missiles that can be reprogrammed in flight to avoid enemy defenses, all the ECM goodies from the Ghost rider program, the tractor beam linked missile pods that double the volley you stated above on the new generation superdreadnoughts, and lets not forget the spider drive stealth system that makes the cloaking systems from star trek look like flashing neon signs.
Those who wish to end War wish to end what it means to be human.
Those who advocate War do not know its power.
Yet Those who learn from War will be remembered for all time.
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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
131
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Posted - 2012.03.03 04:48:00 -
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icantseeshidtcaptain wrote:Hey all,
Is there any info on how the Eve ships compare technologically versus the Star Trek stuff? I like that kind of comparison stuff as it's usually quite interesting!
technologicaly?
even if the romulans+borg+federation+klingons+cardasssians+every other secondary faction, got togetehr in an ULTIMATE TEAMMUP OF UNSTOPPABLE VICTORY.....
a single polaris frigate would appear and proceed to laugh as the entire galaxy burns around it, and the Q-continuum echoes with howls of pain emanating form immortal beings wishing they could die, if only to make the pain stop.
also, capsuleers would love tribbles.
borg would prolly worship either capsuleers, sansha, or a combination, as the ultimate hyrbids of machine and flesh.
edit: a couple spelling errors |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.03.03 07:47:00 -
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Yoma Karima wrote:Wait a second 75% of the honervers battles take place inside star systems where they can only go 99.999% the speed of light due to the warp barrier. the only FTL battles i can think of off hand are fought in the confederacy inside the gravity rifts. not a troll by the way just adding to the accuracy of your argument.
I noticed you left out the gravity shield side walls, bow walls, and rear walls (the wedge only covers the top and belly of the ship but its impenetrable) Also the shipboard Grazers, Lazier clusters used to shoot down incoming missiles, the LAC and their carriers, the new FTL linked missiles that can be reprogrammed in flight to avoid enemy defenses, all the ECM goodies from the Ghost rider program, the tractor beam linked missile pods that double the volley you stated above on the new generation superdreadnoughts, and lets not forget the spider drive stealth system that makes the cloaking systems from star trek look like flashing neon signs.
I also fogot to mention one of the most powerful weapons in honor verse,
A research and development program.
If they captured an ST ship you would probably not like the honorverse people within a year, espeically if they start using the photon subspace comms and the warp drives. A Pod Super Dreadnaught armed with modified photon torps and improved linkes.
Oh gawd teleporter armed mine freighters ><.
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Solinuas
Beyond Evil and Good
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Posted - 2012.03.05 01:05:00 -
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I would point out that this thread seems to have been very derailed.
Also the kings of Scifi space win would probably be the Timelords from Dr. Who and the ancients from stargate. And as scifi universes in general run, eve (except the terrans most likely) and star trek rank pretty low in the food chain |
Stellar Vix
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.05 19:32:00 -
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Under all fine points of technicallities the same reason why railguns have limited ranges in eve should be the same reasons why phasers should have the same limited ranges.
I would also like to point out that if a cloaking system can beat the trek's sensors Electronic warfare is more than entirely possible.
Also how strong is computer warfare in trek?
One more note, tactically we know that trekkers are some of the worst ship captains in any known universe, I mean seriously any real naval captain would be able to do wonders with the tech found in star trek.
-Vix |
Iskawa Zebrut
Smoke to Train - Train to Smoke
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Posted - 2012.03.20 00:39:00 -
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EVE would win out over ST. The reason for this is down to a few specific ship classes EVE has... namely, covert ops and (super-)capitals.
It has been shown that even when they know what they're looking for, ST sensors have a real hard time detecting cloaked ships. The EVE version of cloaks cause ships, regardless of size, to be made completely invisible in every way - they are made completely undetectable to multiple sensor types, and can even warp around without giving themselves away. Any group in the ST universe would lose most of their warships through surprise attacks. They wouldn't even have a chance to raise shields before being ganked (compared to EVE ships which ALWAYS have their shields active).
And (super-)capitals? They're completely unmatched by anything in ST. Even with the massive tracking issues EVE ships would have, they'd have an easy time shrugging off the damage thrown at them with logistics support and would literally steamroll any static facility. On top of that, they can INSTANTLY TELEPORT right into enemy territory with covops support, with barely a few seconds of warning.
And what of ewar? Multifreq jammers would wreck havok on the sensor systems of ST ships. Nos and neuts would make them not just unable to fire or warp, but DIE from life support failure.
On top of all of the above; there is no warp disruption in ST. Any EVE ship could simply warp out... at warp factors superior to almost all ST vessels.
But ST ships' vastly quicker sub light speed would mean they'd never be caught, right? Not really. ST ships suffer wear and tear, forcing them to stop, sometimes even at a starbase, unlike EVE ships which appear to be able to put repairs into effect with NO impact on performance. On that subject, EVE ships can be repaired to mint condition from a bare handful of hull HP. In space. While still engaging the enemy. In comparison, in Voyager's Year of Hell eps... well, nuff said. |
safrrr
Alpha Strategy
In Umbra Mortis
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Posted - 2012.03.20 01:44:00 -
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to put it in perspective. eve online versus star trek. a titan, biggest ship in eve, versus a merged cube *star trek armada 2* the merged cube would fit about 9 times in lenght in a titan, and with the titan's doomsday device, it could put a hole inside that cube, where the cube's lasers and torpedo's first have to go through shield and armor before it could do any structural damage.
another perspective, an enterprise class ship is about the same size as a cruiser/battlecruiser. the only star trek normal ship that comes close to a battleship would be the episode where they cloned jean luc picard and that clone got a big freaking ship.
another perspective, by this theory, 2 naglfar's on top of each other is the size of a federation starbase. except the naglfars got 1400mm cannons and big ass torpedo's, where the biggest ship of the federation, enterprise class-E2 got lasers comparable to those of an ammarian frigate.
another perspective, eve's ship's require only 1 person to be operated, where a star trek ship depends on tens, if not hundreds of persons all doing their job properly.
another perspective, we got antimatter ammo, which by star trek's logic, could tear any ship apart. what have they got? disruptor torpedo's? all they do is going through shields hitting armor, which i think eve ship's got plenty of it.
ive asked the same question on the star trek forums, eve vs star trek. which is better ship wise.
most asked, what is eve? i replied, eve online. never heard of it. but the few brain dead trekkies that did hear of eve online, said that if star trek and eve would ever be in one universe, all of star trek combined fleets wouldnt even be near enough to defeat a fleet of eve online ships. it would be deep space nine all over again.
so to answer your question, eve versus star trek, im strongly convinced that eve would own the freaking hell out of star trek. star trek only has more fans becouse it is close to a religion, we at eve know how to think for ourselves. |
Jean Buelle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.08 21:57:00 -
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Actually Capsuleer ships do have crews http://freebooted.blogspot.com/2011/04/ships-crew-debate-official-line.html |
Cierejai
State Protectorate
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:28:00 -
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I bet watching 2 ships on one screen is more entertaining then watching 1 ship firing it's weapons into empty space and then viewing another ship being hit by the weapons coming out of nowhere.
Yea that's right. Entertainment. |
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baltec1
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Posted - 2012.06.09 17:32:00 -
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Star trek ships have no toilets. |
leviticus ander
CATO.nss
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Posted - 2012.06.09 19:06:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Star trek ships have no toilets.
actually, I think that's just on the original series or something. I remember seeing some in the next generation, and voyager.
EDIT: mind you, star trek ships have no toilets, eve stations have no toilets. |
Mina Hiragi
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.06.09 20:20:00 -
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The entire Alpha Quadrant could unite against New Eden, and they'd be thrashed handily.
The first rule of Space Fight Club is you don't mess with the Jovians.  They've got I-Win Button(tm) technology. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.06.09 21:24:00 -
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leviticus ander wrote:baltec1 wrote:Star trek ships have no toilets. actually, I think that's just on the original series or something. I remember seeing some in the next generation, and voyager. EDIT: mind you, star trek ships have no toilets, eve stations have no toilets.
Neither do battlestars, the melenium falcon, Babilon 5...
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
1427
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Posted - 2012.06.09 21:43:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:leviticus ander wrote:baltec1 wrote:Star trek ships have no toilets. actually, I think that's just on the original series or something. I remember seeing some in the next generation, and voyager. EDIT: mind you, star trek ships have no toilets, eve stations have no toilets. Neither do battlestars, the melenium falcon, Babilon 5...
Don't think the Nostromo had any either |
Cierejai
State Protectorate
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.10 05:11:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:leviticus ander wrote:[quote=baltec1]no toilets. Neither do battlestars
When Gaius is accused by the Cylon lady he confronts her while she is on the toilet. Also when Boomer (cylon) impersonated Athena (the same model) she was beat up and put in the toilet stall.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.06.10 17:53:00 -
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There where alot of toilets on the battlestar.
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Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.10 18:07:00 -
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I like Apples. But sometimes I like to eat Oranges too. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.06.11 14:56:00 -
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Star Trek would lose for its sheer lack of creativity.
Given the technologies present in the Star Trek universe, it should be possible for them to build a massive replicator that spits out whole ships. By recreating the well-documented transporter glitches that duplicate people, you could then copy an entire crew, beaming them directly to the bridge. You could assemble a fleet as quickly as you could acquire the raw mass and energy necessary. But every known power in the galaxy still relies on mining, processing, and assembling the materials manually.
It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
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Posted - 2012.06.11 16:10:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Neither do battlestars, the melenium falcon, Babilon 5...
For Galactica there were a ton of scenes involving the co-ed restrooms.
Millennium Falcon has a head room right up front. Don't ask me why but I was looking at a blueprint of it once. I'm not even a ST fan.
Don't know about Babylon 5.
Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
1437
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Posted - 2012.06.11 16:39:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Star Trek would lose for its sheer lack of creativity.
Given the technologies present in the Star Trek universe, it should be possible for them to build a massive replicator that spits out whole ships. By recreating the well-documented transporter glitches that duplicate people, you could then copy an entire crew, beaming them directly to the bridge. You could assemble a fleet as quickly as you could acquire the raw mass and energy necessary. But every known power in the galaxy still relies on mining, processing, and assembling the materials manually.
But then you might get a quantum singularity in the trans warp conduit and the universe would be destroyed |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:57:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Star Trek would lose for its sheer lack of creativity.
Given the technologies present in the Star Trek universe, it should be possible for them to build a massive replicator that spits out whole ships. By recreating the well-documented transporter glitches that duplicate people, you could then copy an entire crew, beaming them directly to the bridge. You could assemble a fleet as quickly as you could acquire the raw mass and energy necessary. But every known power in the galaxy still relies on mining, processing, and assembling the materials manually. But then you might get a quantum singularity in the trans warp conduit and the universe would be destroyed
The REAL danger is a feedback loop in the antimatter flow creating a neutron cascade in the TPS relay, thus causing a fracture in space-time that will result in a causality paradox that prevents the evolution of the entire Earth genus Sus. It's a fate worse than universal destruction: a universe without bacon.
It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
131
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:03:00 -
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ST ships are faster overall and have more accurate weapons, but they only really have shields for defense.
EVE weapons are far more destructive in every way, making up for their lack of accuracy. You won't find capital weapons on EVE ships, their weapons equate to cruiser-sized stuff at best, possibly the weaker BS weapons.
EVE defenses are far superior. The shields don't deflect like in ST, but they absorb, making them far more effective and less vulnerable to weapons matching their frequences. Unlike ST ships, EVE ships also have massively reinforced armor plating, even on Caldari and Minmatar ships. ST relies almost exclusively on shields, if you penetrate them you're in deep trouble.
ST doesn't make much use of nanotech, which is where EVE shines and where the strength of armor tanking comes from.
On the other hand, EVE doesn't have beaming tech, which might penetrate the armor and shield pretty easily depending on how it interacts. Beaming bombs on board etc, or people out.
In the end it's a pinch, but i think EVE edges out. Also because i'm fairly sure that Omega won't impact EVE tech like it does ST tech. |
Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
5
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:15:00 -
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icantseeshidtcaptain wrote:that is a shame - I always found it strange that the eve ships don't move much faster than airliners, despite being in space.......
what?
Also, you need to be going at least ... 7.5km/s? just to stay in earth orbit. So I always like to think Eve ship speeds are additions based on that as a relative stop.
Possum's Awesome : Awesome Possum
Unjustly accused and condemned for his crimes. |
Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
5
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:22:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:
Honorverse.
They developed thier means of FTL via gravity wedging though space which is like trying to shove a golf ball though a frictionless hose that is much smaller than than the ball itself.
99% of all battles mentioned in honor harrigton ARE in FTL speeds.
Wrong there Nova. The wedges are sublight speed. Theoretical top speed is .99c, but best practical speed is .3 due to inertial compensator limitations.
The FTL fights take place in grav waves, where wedges don't work. Fights there are FTL in real time, but relatively the same speeds as normal space, and with no grav wedges they're much bloodier.
As for X vs Y in terms of scifi spaceships, I just LOVE Star Wreck: In the Pirkinning.
Possum's Awesome : Awesome Possum
Unjustly accused and condemned for his crimes. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
1440
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Posted - 2012.06.12 21:38:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Star Trek would lose for its sheer lack of creativity.
Given the technologies present in the Star Trek universe, it should be possible for them to build a massive replicator that spits out whole ships. By recreating the well-documented transporter glitches that duplicate people, you could then copy an entire crew, beaming them directly to the bridge. You could assemble a fleet as quickly as you could acquire the raw mass and energy necessary. But every known power in the galaxy still relies on mining, processing, and assembling the materials manually. But then you might get a quantum singularity in the trans warp conduit and the universe would be destroyed The REAL danger is a feedback loop in the antimatter flow creating a neutron cascade in the TPS relay, thus causing a fracture in space-time that will result in a causality paradox that prevents the evolution of the entire Earth genus Sus. It's a fate worse than universal destruction: a universe without bacon.
Why would anyone risk that? |
Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
5
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Posted - 2012.06.13 00:16:00 -
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As long as no one crosses the streams.
Possum's Awesome : Awesome Possum
Unjustly accused and condemned for his crimes. |
Something Random
The Barrow Boys
154
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Posted - 2012.06.13 20:02:00 -
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Possum's Awesome wrote:As long as no one crosses the streams.
I think this may explain the lack of toilets.
"caught on fire a little bit, just a little."
"Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangsn++ all here!" |
Wraiths Crono
StarField Logistics
0
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:13:00 -
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Soooo this has been quiet entertaining to me, helping me pass the work day and all, but lets try this: Why not just use the federation from StarTrek Online, NEVER had I fired from warp in that game, and the ships tend to be slow and bulky and ranges: HAH! pretty much eve comparable. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
529
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Posted - 2012.06.14 18:59:00 -
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Quote:As far as moving vast distances.. ST wins.. until they get cyno 'hot dropped' by an s-cap fleet.
Especially since you can hot drop while cloaked in the ST universe.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
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