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Professor Sprocket	Posted - 2007.12.19 19:21:00 - [1] For high sec runs in and out of jita with valuable cargo. Would it be ignored as a target or would folks try? And what type of adversary would it take to gank one before getting concorded?
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.19 19:25:00 - [2] No matter what ship you are in, if you get scanned and carry some good stuff, they will try. Only way to avoid it is to STAY THE HECK OUT OF JITA!!!
TerrorWOLF PURE Legion Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.19 19:28:00 - [3] Depends on your cargo. If gankers can get more from your cargo then what they lose to concord (what isn't really much) you a target. So if you have a few billion worth of cargo they will bring the numbers to kill you. May Your Death Be Slow And Painful
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2007.12.19 19:32:00 - [4] Assuming you are properly fitted, it will take quite a bit of firepower to take your bustard down. Stay out of main trade routes and you should be just fine. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
AlleyKat Gallente White-Noise Skunk-Works	Posted - 2007.12.19 19:42:00 - [5] They will scan you, so put lots of useless stuff in the cargo hold - like 500 bookmarks, by the time they have found anything of value, the chances are you have warped off. Of course, taking it one step further would be if anyone sees you have 500 bookmarks in the cargo hold, you probably have something of value, and will pop you anyway. AK.
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers Long Distance Serial Killlers	Posted - 2007.12.19 19:49:00 - [6] i have found that the best way to avoid getting ganked is to use a ship that they would not even consider scanning, a retrofitted Armahauler (Armageddon with t2 cargo expanders and cargo rigs)works for me --------------------------- Originally by: Last Wolf I prefer smartass, but I like some variety now and then.
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.12.19 19:55:00 - [7] Originally by: Arvald i have found that the best way to avoid getting ganked is to use a ship that they would not even consider scanning, a retrofitted Armahauler (Armageddon with t2 cargo expanders and cargo rigs)works for me You suggest honor tanking while transporting expensive goods.... mkay ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master Which is worse.. the Carebear or the pirate that whines about them?
Dread Phantom Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.19 19:58:00 - [8] 2 BS if its on auto pilot
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers Long Distance Serial Killlers	Posted - 2007.12.19 20:00:00 - [9] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Arvald i have found that the best way to avoid getting ganked is to use a ship that they would not even consider scanning, a retrofitted Armahauler (Armageddon with t2 cargo expanders and cargo rigs)works for me You suggest honor tanking while transporting expensive goods.... mkay hey has more passive defense than any industrial, and its not like im gona use it to haul stuff through low sec or 0.0, i use a nanoed sigil and scouts for that --------------------------- Originally by: Last Wolf I prefer smartass, but I like some variety now and then.
Lorz0r	Posted - 2007.12.19 20:01:00 - [10] Being a very experienced suicide ganker I've found it is extremely difficult to kill a transport ship without a large group and even then it's hard because it's next to impossible to scan you if you're fast and IF we do manage to scan you in time you'll already have warped off by the time we have found anything decent. So another group ahead at a different gate would have to gank you.
Spartan Chick	Posted - 2007.12.19 20:17:00 - [11] A little off topic because it's not a serious suggestion, but when you are going afk for a while, buy a badger and name it "BankMobile". Throw in some empty secure containers and name them "t2", "faction", "named", "zydrine" or alike. Set it to autopilot through the nearby systems of Jita, back and forth. If you're lucky, you will make someone swear a bit after seeing your loot. And get some kill rights $ When repeated often, you might earn the status "fake hauler" and be ignored in the future ganks :P
Taedrin Gallente Magellan Exploration and Survey Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.12.19 20:32:00 - [12] Well, as has been stated, no matter how tough your ship is, there is always a force capable of destroying it before CONCORD asplodes them. Even if you were somehow able to haul everything in a Titan, there is a theoretical force capable of destroying that Titan before CONCORD comes to save you. That being said, I just used EFT to create a setup for a Bustard which gives you 50k effective HP (against equal distribution damage types). 2x Large Shield Extender IIs, 1x Invul Field II, 5x PDS. Should be able to tank a BS or two in time for CONCORD to lay the smack down.
Fehnrail Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.12.19 20:39:00 - [13] Nighthawk with 1x Invul and 4x LSEIIs...for when you really want to haul safely. Make it 1x Invul, 1x EM, 3x LSEII and 2x Core Extenders if you're feeling really paranoid. Ogre IIs? What's that? There is fighting, and then there is fighting: Some weapons are more useful than others, and not all battles must be won.
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.12.19 22:15:00 - [14] Originally by: Spartan Chick A little off topic because it's not a serious suggestion, but when you are going afk for a while, buy a badger and name it "BankMobile". Throw in some empty secure containers and name them "t2", "faction", "named", "zydrine" or alike. Set it to autopilot through the nearby systems of Jita, back and forth. If you're lucky, you will make someone swear a bit after seeing your loot. And get some kill rights $ When repeated often, you might earn the status "fake hauler" and be ignored in the future ganks :P me likes --
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.12.19 22:25:00 - [15] WHen carrying semi-high-value stuff afk with an low-sp alt, I use a tanked Rokh. With my main, I use an inty or blocade runner, and never do it afk. For bulk I use a freighter. ------------------------------------------ What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs.
Agor Dirdonen	Posted - 2007.12.19 22:48:00 - [16] Originally by: Spartan Chick A little off topic because it's not a serious suggestion, but when you are going afk for a while, buy a badger and name it "BankMobile". Throw in some empty secure containers and name them "t2", "faction", "named", "zydrine" or alike. Set it to autopilot through the nearby systems of Jita, back and forth. If you're lucky, you will make someone swear a bit after seeing your loot. And get some kill rights $ When repeated often, you might earn the status "fake hauler" and be ignored in the future ganks :P although I like the way you're thinking, unfortunately the containers won't show up themselves, only what's in them.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.12.19 22:59:00 - [17] Originally by: Spartan Chick A little off topic because it's not a serious suggestion, but when you are going afk for a while, buy a badger and name it "BankMobile". Throw in some empty secure containers and name them "t2", "faction", "named", "zydrine" or alike. Set it to autopilot through the nearby systems of Jita, back and forth. If you're lucky, you will make someone swear a bit after seeing your loot. And get some kill rights $ When repeated often, you might earn the status "fake hauler" and be ignored in the future ganks :P I am so trying this with an alt. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.12.19 23:10:00 - [18] Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Originally by: Spartan Chick A little off topic because it's not a serious suggestion, but when you are going afk for a while, buy a badger and name it "BankMobile". Throw in some empty secure containers and name them "t2", "faction", "named", "zydrine" or alike. Set it to autopilot through the nearby systems of Jita, back and forth. If you're lucky, you will make someone swear a bit after seeing your loot. And get some kill rights $ When repeated often, you might earn the status "fake hauler" and be ignored in the future ganks :P me likes very nice but wouldn't work for a number of reasons SKUNK
Folstrum	Posted - 2007.12.19 23:11:00 - [19] You can maximize your odds of survival by: A) Actually being there (this one is the most important) B) Fitting a passive tank (shield extenders, hardeners, plates, damage control etc) C) Fitting stabs D) Fitting mods to increase your agility E) Not putting everything you own into the ship Check youtube for a video called Karma.
Kery Syander The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.19 23:36:00 - [20] Originally by: Agor Dirdonen Originally by: Spartan Chick A little off topic because it's not a serious suggestion, but when you are going afk for a while, buy a badger and name it "BankMobile". Throw in some empty secure containers and name them "t2", "faction", "named", "zydrine" or alike. Set it to autopilot through the nearby systems of Jita, back and forth. If you're lucky, you will make someone swear a bit after seeing your loot. And get some kill rights $ When repeated often, you might earn the status "fake hauler" and be ignored in the future ganks :P although I like the way you're thinking, unfortunately the containers won't show up themselves, only what's in them. exactly. Ship scanner won't show you if something is in GSCs or not. It'll just look like an empty hauler. Warp to zero and align relatively quickly and you're probably fine. I'd say 4 gank BCs or 2 gank BS would be able to take out almost all deepspace transports. I wouldn't carry more than 100-150mil in one, tbh. -----
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2007.12.19 23:40:00 - [21] And sadly T2 BPCs are now common from invention and don't make good bait. But I know (of) someone who pre-invention used to do exactly that with T2 BPCs in a faction tanked iteron 5. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? GMP and TNP
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.12.19 23:57:00 - [22] Originally by: Kery Syander I'd say 4 gank BCs or 2 gank BS would be able to take out almost all deepspace transports. I wouldn't carry more than 100-150mil in one, tbh. Well thats not exactly correct.. I've ran a tanked Mammoth with 3 med extenders 2 invul and 4 wcs and it lolz at a 4 bs low sec camp.. By the time I warp away they might eat into about 1/3 of the shields.. Add resist rigs and pds in the lows if you feel like it and tank even more in empire due to Concord showing up and wtfpwning the suicide gankers.. As long as your actively warping to zero you should be pretty much immune to high sec ganking unless they simply want to overwhelm your tank and kill you for spite but they will suffer quite the financial loss if that happens.. To the op you should be just fine in your Bustard as long as you think about how you fit it and pay attention to your route and how much value in cargo your going to haul.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.20 00:09:00 - [23] On Transports The Bustard and Mastadon are the best for what you are looking for, due to the following reasons: The Bustard and Mastadon get shield tanking bonuses, and both have 3 mid slots and overall good resists (Bustard has one 0%, but that can be mostly fixed by one T2 hardener. Mastadon has a better spread of resists, so a T2 Invulnabilty field is good...). The Bustard and Mastadon can run a pretty decent shield tanks AND be fully expanded "at the same time". Occator and Impel are both bigger (if fully expanded), but they are crap tanks compared to Bustard and Mastadon UNLESS they sacrific several low slots. (If they sacrific all their low slots they probably tank better) However, even if you haul in a Tanked T2 Battleship, if you put enough value in your hold, it will STILL be profitable to kill you, and there are folks out there that can and will do it if you give them a chance. Dont go afk in such situations, and use "warp to zero". Play nice while you butcher each other.
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.12.20 00:12:00 - [24] Originally by: Fehnrail Nighthawk with 1x Invul and 4x LSEIIs...for when you really want to haul safely. Make it 1x Invul, 1x EM, 3x LSEII and 2x Core Extenders if you're feeling really paranoid. Ogre IIs? What's that? Vagabond. No suicide-ganker I know of sports a web, so if someone even tries to screw with you and manages to lock you before you warp off, just MWD. That said, it's a spectacularly-poor option for AFK hauling, given its vulnerability to kinetic damage. --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
Taua Roqa Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.12.20 00:29:00 - [25] suicide gankars are bustards tbqh. -------------------------------------------- Threads are stacking-nerfed; the more posts you add the less effective those posts are. mooooooo.
Scientist Jill	Posted - 2007.12.20 00:35:00 - [26] Originally by: Taedrin Well, as has been stated, no matter how tough your ship is, there is always a force capable of destroying it before CONCORD asplodes them. Even if you were somehow able to haul everything in a Titan, there is a theoretical force capable of destroying that Titan before CONCORD comes to save you. That being said, I just used EFT to create a setup for a Bustard which gives you 50k effective HP (against equal distribution damage types). 2x Large Shield Extender IIs, 1x Invul Field II, 5x PDS. Should be able to tank a BS or two in time for CONCORD to lay the smack down. If you could get one there, I am pretty sure it would impossible to suicide gank a (tank fitted) Titan in high sec -- simply because the number of ships you'd need to have x number of Concord showing up = node crash.
Fehnrail Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.12.20 00:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Pilk Vagabond. No suicide-ganker I know of sports a web, so if someone even tries to screw with you and manages to lock you before you warp off, just MWD. That said, it's a spectacularly-poor option for AFK hauling, given its vulnerability to kinetic damage. --P The reason I like Nighthawk for hisec secure hauling is also because of its spectacular cargo hold. Really, the only thing that beats it would be a Marauder. There is fighting, and then there is fighting: Some weapons are more useful than others, and not all battles must be won.
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.12.20 00:58:00 - [28] unless you had hps via extenders or whatever, you are not all that hard. I onced suicided an afk occator in 0.7 with only 10 base t1 fitted destroyers, mostly thrashers with arties. the occator popped before concord popped the first destroyer. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.12.20 01:31:00 - [29] Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn unless you had hps via extenders or whatever, you are not all that hard. I onced suicided an afk occator in 0.7 with only 10 base t1 fitted destroyers, mostly thrashers with arties. the occator popped before concord popped the first destroyer. CONCORD works differently these days. --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. Tyrrax's bet status: UNPAID.
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2007.12.20 02:12:00 - [30] I've been killed with GSC's before.. ________
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Sten Industries	Posted - 2007.12.20 02:25:00 - [31] Originally by: Admiral Pelleon I've been killed with GSC's before.. but at least they wont steal the valuables. (although they might blow them up) _
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2007.12.20 02:27:00 - [32] They can scoop them in a hauler. ________
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.12.20 02:56:00 - [33] Originally by: Rhatar Khurin Originally by: Admiral Pelleon I've been killed with GSC's before.. but at least they wont steal the valuables. (although they might blow them up) /facepalm. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2007.12.20 03:08:00 - [34] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Originally by: Spartan Chick A little off topic because it's not a serious suggestion, but when you are going afk for a while, buy a badger and name it "BankMobile". Throw in some empty secure containers and name them "t2", "faction", "named", "zydrine" or alike. Set it to autopilot through the nearby systems of Jita, back and forth. If you're lucky, you will make someone swear a bit after seeing your loot. And get some kill rights $ When repeated often, you might earn the status "fake hauler" and be ignored in the future ganks :P me likes very nice but wouldn't work for a number of reasons SKUNK It's funny how you can pick out the idiot carebears, eh Skunk? Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.20 03:20:00 - [35] Originally by: Rhatar Khurin Just carry all the expensive stuff in secure containers in your hold. No point for anyone to gank you then. Congrats... you just made my sig over my Yarrr button for a couple weeks Originally by: Rhatar Khurin Just carry all the expensive stuff in secure containers in your hold. No point for anyone to gank you then.
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Spartan Chick	Posted - 2007.12.20 10:37:00 - [37] Originally by: Bellum Eternus It's funny how you can pick out the ones that never carebear, eh Skunk? Fixed it for you. Haven't hauled or scanned really, how should I know what shows and what not :P
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.12.20 10:45:00 - [38] Edited by: Emperor D''Hoffryn on 20/12/2007 10:47:26 Edited by: Emperor D''Hoffryn on 20/12/2007 10:45:45 Originally by: Pilk Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn unless you had hps via extenders or whatever, you are not all that hard. I onced suicided an afk occator in 0.7 with only 10 base t1 fitted destroyers, mostly thrashers with arties. the occator popped before concord popped the first destroyer. CONCORD works differently these days. --P This was AFTER trinity. But i do stand corrected. It was 14 destroyers, and 1 t1 frig. 1 ship had popped when the occator when boom. occator sweetness the reason we bothered should be obvious. PS Also, please note the large shield extender that was fitted. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2007.12.20 10:49:00 - [39] You can kill a Bustard with a 20 day old char in an Armageddon.... Had it done to me. Takes 7 seconds. Go figure.
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.12.20 10:52:00 - [40] Originally by: Admiral Nova You can kill a Bustard with a 20 day old char in an Armageddon.... Had it done to me. Takes 7 seconds. Go figure. depends on the sec rating of the system. shouldnt be possible in 1.0 space, for example. hed only get one volley off....so unless he one shots you, concord should take care of the rest. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
John Blackthrone Caldari Fnord Works	Posted - 2007.12.20 11:00:00 - [41] The best ship is something really small like a ceptor, if I have another bunch of rigs for sale I always take a small ship which warps in 1 sec. no time for scanning and your save
Alarna Caldari Inverted Awareness	Posted - 2007.12.20 11:11:00 - [42] Edited by: Alarna on 20/12/2007 11:12:43 Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn the reason we bothered should be obvious. PS Also, please note the large shield extender that was fitted. Yeh, I'd have killed him for that too
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.12.20 12:59:00 - [43] Originally by: Rhatar Khurin Just carry all the expensive stuff in secure containers in your hold. No point for anyone to gank you then. 1) collect container 2) repackage, if passworded 3) be happy Or do I miss something ?
Tivookz Caldari The Singularity Amalgamation Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.20 14:30:00 - [44] Edited by: Tivookz on 20/12/2007 14:31:28 Originally by: Plutoinum Originally by: Rhatar Khurin Just carry all the expensive stuff in secure containers in your hold. No point for anyone to gank you then. 1) collect container 2) repackage, if passworded 3) be happy Or do I miss something ? Yea you are missing one thing: There could be anything inside those cans. So basically, it could just as well be some noob hauling tritanium to Jita and I don't think your BS is worth losing to take that rather huge chance considering that secure can hauling is pretty common to increase cargo space. Tiv
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2007.12.20 14:35:00 - [45] You can scan through cans. Unless the 6 man suicide gang that tried to take my battle badger just assumed I was carrying 3 mobile labs. ________
Feta Solamnia	Posted - 2007.12.20 14:37:00 - [46] Originally by: James Lyrus And sadly T2 BPCs are now common from invention and don't make good bait. But I know (of) someone who pre-invention used to do exactly that with T2 BPCs in a faction tanked iteron 5. Yeah, ntt with the draclira-fitted itty 5. That was an insane fit Originally by: Oveur I have access to all market data. Believe me, we have not reached anything close to deflation yet.
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.12.20 14:38:00 - [47] Perhaps the best training regarding suicide hits you need is simply to try it. When you figure out exactly the level of insane detail you need to go to, you will learn what is the ***** in the gankers armor. It's really so simple to avoid it's too stupid for words to describe. Sitting around for endless hours waiting for the exact right set of circumstances that allow a gank to occur is the balance you so anxiously want. It is balanced against the people who demonstrate the extreme and required level of stupidity and how rare they in fact are. CCP's endless upgrades to CONCORD despite the difficulty of a successful gank only demonstrate how keen they are to make highsec into Green Space, and they should be pitied for their attitude. -- Awwwww Diddums! Did I wardec your highsec alt recently or something?
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.20 14:54:00 - [48] Originally by: Professor Sprocket For high sec runs in and out of jita with valuable cargo. Would it be ignored as a target or would folks try? And what type of adversary would it take to gank one before getting concorded? Not terribly. I was using a Thorax and basically broke my teeth on a Transport. I don't even try transports from a Thorax anymore. Might be a different story with a megathron or a full gang. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2007.12.20 16:31:00 - [49] Originally by: Tivookz Yea you are missing one thing: There could be anything inside those cans. About 18-24 months ago, scanners were changed, they now see all the items inside the cans, not just the cans when scanning your cargo. So, no, you can't hide stuff in cans, it's still visible.
Naruto Hunter Maza Nostra oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.12.20 18:33:00 - [50] Deepspace transport are the number one target for suicide gankings imho. A bustard might be able to tank one t2 fitted armageddon if shield tanked (with a shield booster) and you are not afk running. I doubt anything will survive though if you are ganked by two t2 fitted armageddons (maybe a mastodon, due to its good resists vs amarr). Cargo can be scanned even if in secure containers, so you are not safe in that way. Best thing to do is use a blockade runner, fit a nano and an i-stab and you can warp like a ceptor. If they can't scan you, they won't gank you. (Scanning requires about 1 sec to lock and a bit more than 2 seconds for scanning to complete, the latter with the best scanner and survey to level 5). Also, keep in mind, its not only afk pilots that are valid targets. Out of everyone I've ganked, 10% were actually afk pilots. The rest were pretty much on their keyboards. P.S. I've only tried ganking with an Armageddon, dont know if the other ships are any good. Feel free to correct me if you have done it in another ship (I do not mean with a t1 fitted brutix ganking a t1 hauler). FYI, I manage to get 1000 dps with t2 megapulse, sentry drones and overload.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.12.20 20:49:00 - [51] Originally by: Naruto Hunter P.S. I've only tried ganking with an Armageddon, dont know if the other ships are any good. Feel free to correct me if you have done it in another ship (I do not mean with a t1 fitted brutix ganking a t1 hauler). FYI, I manage to get 1000 dps with t2 megapulse, sentry drones and overload. And what happens to that 1000dps when it hits 80%+ resists? That low sec gate camp that I mentioned earlier had 3 geddons and an astarte in it all gank fitted with T2 and yet I got away with 2/3 shield.. On a Mammoth no less.. So the point is that if you put even the most basic of tank on your indy and don't carry around a hold full of officer gear your pretty much safe from being suicided unless of course they just want to kill you at any price.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Kao Lei	Posted - 2007.12.20 23:56:00 - [52] Originally by: Tivookz Originally by: Rhatar Khurin 1) collect container 2) repackage, if passworded 3) be happy Or do I miss something ? Yea you are missing one thing: There could be anything inside those cans. So basically, it could just as well be some noob hauling tritanium to Jita and I don't think your BS is worth losing to take that rather huge chance considering that secure can hauling is pretty common to increase cargo space. Tiv Try the following: * assemble a container, any kind * put something in it that's cheap * repackage the container * see what happens
Lynnae Suriyawong Caldari Circle of Steel Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.21 06:07:00 - [53] Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn This was AFTER trinity. But i do stand corrected. It was 14 destroyers, and 1 t1 frig. 1 ship had popped when the occator when boom. occator sweetness the reason we bothered should be obvious. I'm a bit of a noob, so can you explain what the obvious part is, please? Thanks!
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.12.21 06:11:00 - [54] Originally by: Lynnae Suriyawong Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn This was AFTER trinity. But i do stand corrected. It was 14 destroyers, and 1 t1 frig. 1 ship had popped when the occator when boom. occator sweetness the reason we bothered should be obvious. I'm a bit of a noob, so can you explain what the obvious part is, please? Thanks! Lots of expensive faction ammo. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Brantoc PURE Legion Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.23 02:16:00 - [55] Edited by: Brantoc on 23/12/2007 02:21:10 Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn Edited by: Emperor D''Hoffryn on 20/12/2007 10:47:26 Edited by: Emperor D''Hoffryn on 20/12/2007 10:45:45 Originally by: Pilk Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn unless you had hps via extenders or whatever, you are not all that hard. I onced suicided an afk occator in 0.7 with only 10 base t1 fitted destroyers, mostly thrashers with arties. the occator popped before concord popped the first destroyer. CONCORD works differently these days. --P This was AFTER trinity. But i do stand corrected. It was 14 destroyers, and 1 t1 frig. 1 ship had popped when the occator when boom. occator sweetness the reason we bothered should be obvious. PS Also, please note the large shield extender that was fitted. Yea, was one of my Empire alts, taking stuff down for the war against BoB. War is only about 70 jumps from home base, so takes a bit to get it down there. Left it AFK Auto pilot in empire when I went to work. Now I know better. Got a little lucky the Polys dropped, otherwise you would have gotten crap :). Basically the reasoning behind the gank is valid. 15 Destroyers (especially Minmatar with T2 280's and in this case most were T2 fitted) can do easily 20-30k damage, and Transports can't withstand that much damage. CCP should either let them get ganked or add more mid slots to allow for stronger tanks, or improve the already impressive natural tank. Even tho I lost this time, I say CCP - Leave well enough alone. Losing a ship is part of the game. Anyone not willing to lose a ship should go play Guildwars or something. I mean it.
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2007.12.23 02:35:00 - [56] As a bustard salesmen I say they can tank god himself.
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.23 03:04:00 - [57] Originally by: Brantoc Basically the reasoning behind the gank is valid. 15 Destroyers (especially Minmatar with T2 280's and in this case most were T2 fitted) can do easily 20-30k damage, and Transports can't withstand that much damage. _Your_ transport couldn't stand that... Just look at the fitting you used. Large shield extender I and a 10MN AB I, and no armor tank. You popped after 11k damage, and assume therefor that a transport can't handle 30k damage? It wasn't the prowess of the gankers that killed your ship, it was you yourself. And those people who're suggesting adding shield boosters to empire transports; not only does it suck compared to an additional LSE or res, it also assumes you're not going to be AFK while hauling those billions worth of junk.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.12.23 03:05:00 - [58] That Occator fitting there hurts my "empire antigank" AFK tanking glands or something like that. Especially THIS part : "Damage Taken: 11522". I mean COME ON, less than 12k raw HP, what the hell ? (estimated effective probably around 20k or so). If you want to go AFK, rule number one, NO CARGO EXPANDERS, use lows for tank. Rule number two, no active mods (AB has to go the way of the Dodo). Rule number three, tank up the wazzoo for effective HP, not recharge/repair/whatever (pointless if you're AFK). As for the Bustard ? A proper "AFK" Bustard tank has roughly 25k raw HP to begin with, and against EM (lowest resist) aprox 45k effective HP at maxskills (or over 60k against "even damage type distribution"). The fact it only has the base 6875 m^3 of cargo is just another incentive to NOT put too many "valuables" in there for one such AFK run. If you want to be "at the keyboard", there's no substitute for a blockade runner... I mean, seriously, align&warp in roughly 3 seconds and a +2 WCS built-in, with decent HP buffer... what the hell can beat that for safe solo transport ? 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.23 05:04:00 - [59] Originally by: Gaven Blands Perhaps the best training regarding suicide hits you need is simply to try it. When you figure out exactly the level of insane detail you need to go to, you will learn what is the ***** in the gankers armor. It's really so simple to avoid it's too stupid for words to describe. Sitting around for endless hours waiting for the exact right set of circumstances that allow a gank to occur is the balance you so anxiously want. It is balanced against the people who demonstrate the extreme and required level of stupidity and how rare they in fact are. CCP's endless upgrades to CONCORD despite the difficulty of a successful gank only demonstrate how keen they are to make highsec into Green Space, and they should be pitied for their attitude. Wrong. If it was that hard, suicide gankers would be rare. If suicide ganking was easy, suicide gankers would be common........ Play nice while you butcher each other.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.12.23 21:40:00 - [60] Originally by: Gamer4liff As a bustard salesmen I say they can tank god himself. god is amarr Trashed sig, Shark was here
Brantoc PURE Legion Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.24 03:53:00 - [61] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab _Your_ transport couldn't stand that... Just look at the fitting you used. Large shield extender I and a 10MN AB I, and no armor tank. You popped after 11k damage, and assume therefor that a transport can't handle 30k damage? It wasn't the prowess of the gankers that killed your ship, it was you yourself. And those people who're suggesting adding shield boosters to empire transports; not only does it suck compared to an additional LSE or res, it also assumes you're not going to be AFK while hauling those billions worth of junk. umm.. I think you have me confused.. I was carrying 2 Poly's and about 20mil in various T2 equipment. MAYBE on the outside 120mil in equipment. a LONG way from 'Billions'. Most of the destroyers didn't even get a full volly. If they had, 30k damage would be well within what they could do. So even your armor tanked Transport carrying at most 8km3 stuff would still pop, and you would have to make 4 trips to carry what I can. Normally I transport more than 30km3 at a time with that thing, so it is normally fitted that way. Then again it's not like a AFK Freighter is safe either.. Seen more than a few of them go pop. I personally have helped pop AFK shuttles carrying capital BPOs before. Doesn't have to be a Transport to have a lot of isk in cargo. As far as my tank, it's an alt. The character has gunnery 1 for goodness sake. It's not a PvP character. You almost sound mad. That is sad. Within a couple hours of me losing mine, the same gang (in new ships) poped at least 4 other haulers/transports in Agil/Badi area.
Cosmos Serendipity BRAHMA CORP	Posted - 2007.12.24 04:59:00 - [62] If your hauling smaller amounts of very expensive things I recommend using a covert ops of some sort that can cloak while warping. Unless you screw up they never even see you coming.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.12.24 06:17:00 - [63] Originally by: Brantoc As far as my tank, it's an alt. The character has gunnery 1 for goodness sake. It's not a PvP character. You almost sound mad. That is sad. Within a couple hours of me losing mine, the same gang (in new ships) poped at least 4 other haulers/transports in Agil/Badi area. Wait what?! WTH does gunnery skills have to do with tanking your empire indy? Your fitting for max effective hp not dps.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.12.24 21:06:00 - [64] as gankable as any other ship when your ganksquad is 50 strong Trashed sig, Shark was here

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