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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.03.21 08:35:00 -
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any news? important topic!
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Phaethon
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Posted - 2004.03.22 17:26:00 -
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Bump
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NoNamium
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Posted - 2004.03.23 19:54:00 -
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found out anything smurf?
oh, and bump!
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Lady Madonna
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Posted - 2004.03.23 19:56:00 -
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12 days ago, my agent rewarded me with a Claw Interceptor BP. I had ~16k RP at that time. Today I got a second Claw BP from the same agent (4.6k RP).
Colossal luck ?
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.03.23 20:00:00 -
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12 days ago, my agent rewarded me with a Claw Interceptor BP. I had ~16k RP at that time. Today I got a second Claw BP from the same agent (4.6k RP).
Colossal luck ?
Apparently neither yourself not the others who have achieved this singular feet are in anyway at al "Lucky" - its just inevitable given the statistics of the lottery (apparently). 
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.03.23 20:36:00 -
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I can't believe it's just down to statistics. Best researcher in the field with the most points (presumably a starship field) had a probability of winning a lottery of 0.76%. Of winning two - and this has to a massive overestimate as I'm assuming that person has the same RP in both draws - would be roughly 0.76% * 0.76% = 0.006% (or under one in 17,000). Heaven knows how small the actual chances are - and for the whole thing to be repeated more than once for different pilots given the small number of ship BPs that seem to be out there is to me inconceivable. Maybe my logic is very flawed, but if so it'd be nice to have some solid explanation from PapaSmurf so that we can stop worrying about it.
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Viduus
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Posted - 2004.03.23 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Viduus on 23/03/2004 21:44:11
Quote:
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12 days ago, my agent rewarded me with a Claw Interceptor BP. I had ~16k RP at that time. Today I got a second Claw BP from the same agent (4.6k RP).
Colossal luck ?
Apparently neither yourself not the others who have achieved this singular feet are in anyway at al "Lucky" - its just inevitable given the statistics of the lottery (apparently).
OMG that is such BS I can smell it all the way from Canada.
Statistically speaking, it's nigh unto impossible that so many receive duplicates, most especially from the same agents.
Morkt, talk to Papa Smurf for us, would you please?
I mean how stupid do they think the customers are....?
CCP - you'll get more respect from your customers by admitting something is wrong than you will from trying to cover it up (read: lying)... especially with such a lame excuse as "inevitable"...
One.. TWO... OK, not probable, but plausible.
Last count of duplicates (unofficial, of course) was over a dozen, just from these forums. And most people don't post here, so then what is the actual number of duplicate recipients versus total recipients?
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.03.23 21:40:00 -
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Papa said he would look into it - so i assume that's what he's doing atm.
I doubt we will hear if there has been a problem though so we may never know if a fix was made or even a problem found.
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Ciber Wulf
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Posted - 2004.03.23 23:20:00 -
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Statistically speaking, it's nigh unto impossible that so many receive duplicates, most especially from the same agents.
Must be at least 10 or 20 ppl that have had a bp twice. Either they have something the rest don't, or the system is broken.
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NightDragon
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Posted - 2004.03.24 00:43:00 -
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Edited by: NightDragon on 24/03/2004 00:46:53
Edited by: NightDragon on 24/03/2004 00:45:59
i have gotten 2 Bpc from my lvl2 agent, the first one took a week, and was really useless, explotion shield booster(added like 15% to explotion restance, second a week later micro shield extinder 2 decent adds 42 shields(well better than the 1's)
but now its been about 3 weeks and i havent gotten a thing
Yonal Janonah
researching hydromag, agent has lvl 2 in it
and currently have 1963 rp points, with about 38.52 per day, with a agent quality of -9 effective of 7
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Lucas De'Thal
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Posted - 2004.03.24 04:31:00 -
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Edited by: Lucas De'Thal on 24/03/2004 04:34:32
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12 days ago, my agent rewarded me with a Claw Interceptor BP. I had ~16k RP at that time. Today I got a second Claw BP from the same agent (4.6k RP).
Colossal luck ?
d8mn you!!! 
(really, though, I don't blame you at all......edited this part cause I don't want papa smurf to nuke my chances personally)
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Trinity Prime
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Posted - 2004.03.24 14:03:00 -
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This is really BS. I have over 5k RP's been doing research missions religiously every day for over a month and not a a whiff of a BP. I have shelled out millions of isk for trade goods, Science Grads, Homeless etc with no friggin return. A friend of mine has close to 20K RP and no BP has been offered. Not everyone wants to play Eve for PVP CCP. Fix this.
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ghoo
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Posted - 2004.03.24 16:45:00 -
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Eve has got 30k+ subscribers. If we listened to you and gave out a blueprint to each person doing missions, the blueprints would be worth nothing.
I am also very tired of people hering about someone who has gotten 2-4 tech 2 blueprints, and equals that with the person having got the blueprints from an agent.
I know a few persons that has gotten 2-4 tech 2 blueprints; do you wanna know how they got the blueprints?
Bought them and traded.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.03.24 16:52:00 -
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Just a question to my solution. I wonder how many get thier second tech II bp, third tech II bp from the same agent and npc corp?
I did!
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.03.24 17:39:00 -
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I got a crap tech 2 bp a couple of weeks ago and haven't gotten one since. ( Well my alt did) So at least everyone can feel better about me not getting multiples.
To the person who complained about having 5k Rp's and not getting a BP. I have bad news for you. If it was only based on numbers of RP's you still wouldn't get one. 5k is not a lot of RP's so really you are better off with the lottery style.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.03.24 19:25:00 -
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Just a question to my solution. I wonder how many get thier second tech II bp, third tech II bp from the same agent and npc corp?
erm.. 'lots' did who did... not hard to work out why either.
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Rancid Mare
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Posted - 2004.03.24 20:57:00 -
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From the CSM..........
TomB > Wait a minute, these people weren't researching ships?
Morkt Drak > ship field has over 5million RPs - I win a frigate BPO this week i go to ZERO RPS, whats my chance sof winning ANOTHER one next week?
Morkt Drak > and, yes, one was doing mechanical engineering
Morkt Drak > (which replaced astronautical engineering btw)
kieron > Ok guys, we've been doing well so far. Let's keep the side comments to a minimum and keep rolling along.
TomB > Ok ... then I understand the problem
TomB > We'll look into this
TomB > didn't know that it was a week between
so now it needs investigating....was only lile 6 pages ago Morkt started this post.
dosnt fill you with confidence does it.
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.03.24 21:40:00 -
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so now it needs investigating....was only lile 6 pages ago Morkt started this post.
dosnt fill you with confidence does it.
TomB isn't the agent's guy. Papa is. I don't see why he'd even know about it. Either way, All he's going to do is go tell Papa, who's going to say "I know already, I'm looking at it".
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PhamNuwen
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Posted - 2004.03.24 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: PhamNuwen on 24/03/2004 21:59:29
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From the CSM..........
TomB > Wait a minute, these people weren't researching ships?
Morkt Drak > ship field has over 5million RPs - I win a frigate BPO this week i go to ZERO RPS, whats my chance sof winning ANOTHER one next week?
Morkt Drak > and, yes, one was doing mechanical engineering
Morkt Drak > (which replaced astronautical engineering btw)
kieron > Ok guys, we've been doing well so far. Let's keep the side comments to a minimum and keep rolling along.
TomB > Ok ... then I understand the problem
TomB > We'll look into this
TomB > didn't know that it was a week between
so now it needs investigating....was only lile 6 pages ago Morkt started this post.
dosnt fill you with confidence does it.
CCP is ignoring the forum...?!
It seem's so :(
Btw: have a look to the number (and quality) of the Dev-Postings - it is also a little bit frustrating...
Link to DevPostFinder
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Lucas De'Thal
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Posted - 2004.03.25 02:37:00 -
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Eve has got 30k+ subscribers. If we listened to you and gave out a blueprint to each person doing missions, the blueprints would be worth nothing.
I am also very tired of people hering about someone who has gotten 2-4 tech 2 blueprints, and equals that with the person having got the blueprints from an agent.
I know a few persons that has gotten 2-4 tech 2 blueprints; do you wanna know how they got the blueprints?
Bought them and traded.
you are not paying attention and are obviously clueless to the situation....maybe you should actually read the thread and get a clue
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Sabahl
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Posted - 2004.03.25 03:20:00 -
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This is utterly pathetic. We started raising queries regarding the BP distribution code within a few days of the BPs being handed out. how long has it taken for something to actually be done about it?
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Rancid Mare
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Posted - 2004.03.25 09:30:00 -
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Edited by: Rancid Mare on 25/03/2004 09:38:02
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TomB isn't the agent's guy. Papa is. I don't see why he'd even know about it. Either way, All he's going to do is go tell Papa, who's going to say "I know already, I'm looking at it".
and your point is what exactly ?
that we sould be happy with this **** poor performance because of what ?
i dont care who has been told Tomb/Papa/the Tooth Fairy/Santa claus/The Yeti/aliend that crashed in rosewell.....i dont care at all, ccp were told and its their job to get on top of it.
if here at work some one reported a problem to my workmate and he blanked it becasue it was my AREA and not his then we would most probably both get shot.
as the post above states we were questioning this situation weeks and weeks ago and as per usal no one from ccp pays a blind bit of notice.
so you have a smart arse reply for why we should find that acceptable ?
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.03.25 13:22:00 -
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I have a solution:
Stop dreaming of Tech II bp go do some mining!!!
Ciber tell me it aint soo. It is not about the individual but the group.
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Beldaws
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Posted - 2004.03.25 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Beldaws on 25/03/2004 13:44:20
I've gotten 3 tech II bps so far and they have all been from the same level 2 agent and I've never had more than 500 RP at the time.
I've gotten a Small Armor Repairer II bp and two Medium Armor Repairer II bps. I recently sold the Small and Medium Armor Repairer II bp and received my 2nd Medium Armor Repairer II bp a couple days after the sale. Guess I was meant to produce those.
And no, I'm not telling which agent it is. 
I'm still waiting to get that Large Armor Repairer II bp. 
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.03.25 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Wraeththu on 25/03/2004 16:29:06
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if here at work some one reported a problem to my workmate and he blanked it becasue it was my AREA and not his then we would most probably both get shot.
That's not what you're talking about though. You're talking about at your work, if someone(Morkt) comes and tells you(papa) you have a problem, and you start working on it, then that person(morkt) goes and tells one of your co-workers(TomB), who then comes and tells you (Papa).
First of all, you're mad at your mythical co-worker(TomB), because he didn't know what was going on in your job? Why should he, it's not his job
Second of all, when your coworker comes and tells you, what are you going to say to him? "uh yeah, thanks, I know already". And he'll go "oh, ok" and be done with it.
Programmers have a defect tracking system for a reason. Defects get assigned to the person who's job it is. I can have up to hundreds defects assigned to me at any point. I don't expect the guy sitting next to me, even if he's my teammate, to know which defects are on my list. It's not his job.
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Finderne
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Posted - 2004.03.25 17:14:00 -
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First of all, you're mad at your mythical co-worker(TomB), because he didn't know what was going on in your job? Why should he, it's not his job
The software programming analogy only goes so far. Eve is a very dynamic product - most software work is on much more static products. If this problem is real (and it sounds that way to me) it means that the T2 distribution was fubar. CCP knew how critical equitable T2 was in advance, and what they promised to deliver that with an unbiased lottery system. So a potentially major flaw like this should have been escalated by now.
My guess on what is going on is basically CYA. Someone is hoping to not have to report "oops, my work was buggy", and is working on it under the radar so they can instead sound better by reporting "there was a bug, but here's how we fix it".
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.03.25 17:16:00 -
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Still, what is a bug?
There are many definition of bugs.
1) where the user demands a result based on what he expects and the program does not do it. This is based on data the user has. Example: I need addresses that have 2 people households and 3 cars. When the list comes out you get 3 people and 3 cars.
2) where the program makes other things not work. The programmer designed a flaw into the code. The result makes other data messed up.Example: The 2 people 3 cars data is sent to program and makes a mailing list. The mailing list does not produce the correct names on the report.
There are others.
What I want some on this topic to understand is, If the programmer believes his program is doing the right thing and can show its doing the right thing even if others question its results cause those results are not what they want, the programmer is right. Remeber if you dont have the data to check against the programmers data you loose.
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2004.03.25 18:23:00 -
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This post from a thread in General sort of summs it up
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But since it's obviously broken, what I do is restart my research with my agents everytime I get to around 1000 points.
I've been able to collect 5 BPs by doing this, all but one of them within 24 hours of restarting(starting back from 0) on each agent.
The other one I got at around 300 points with an agent I had for 6 days.
Got my very first one when I was sick of my 20k points in starship research going to waste and restarted research on my first agent. Got a BP a few hours later with less than a hundred points.
It's broken, take advantage of it now.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.03.25 18:36:00 -
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What I want some on this topic to understand is, If the programmer believes his program is doing the right thing and can show its doing the right thing even if others question its results cause those results are not what they want, the programmer is right. Remeber if you dont have the data to check against the programmers data you loose.
We know all that hari - we know it and understand it. Its not the point. You keep arguing something nobody really cares about and has been dealt with.
We "know" it isnt working right from anecdotal evidence alone. We know it isnt working right as nobody is supposed to keep stopping and restarting R&D to get new BPs. We know it isnt working right because multiple people have gotten repeat uber-rare frigate BPOs from teh same agent twice within very short epriods of time..
and that isnt supposed to happen.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.03.25 21:23:00 -
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And.....another person has just goten their second Elite Frigate BPO now.. bringing the total (that i know of) to four.
Claw BPO - second time around, under two weeks between the two BPOs, same agent.
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