Originally by: Smakko

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Originally by: Neth'Rae

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Yes, but that's not really relevant to us because of our perception of space(irl) at the moment.

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Have you ever seen a nebula with the naked eye? Did you know that the pictures that NASA and other international space agencies publish of astronomical phenomenae is heavily edited and processed as to accentuate and dramatize the impact of the images?

You say that you "doubt that's the explanation behind [the prevalence of nebulae in the game]," the fact remains that "our perception of space" currently is already greatly colored (look ma i make pun) by the application of natural-sense-boosting technology.

Human beings can not only relate to things we have a direct perception of, such as things we directly see or touch, but also have a very strong perception of things that only exist in our imagination. Has anyone actually sent a satellite out to the edges of the solar system and taken a photograph of the entire solar system? No, and it is unlikely that a panoramic photo of the solar system will ever be taken, do to the astronomical distances involved. However, in our minds eye, it is quite possible to have a very clear and distinct perception of the entire solar system, moving in concert, constantly and dynamically changing.

On one hand, I'm against what you propose because you're asking for a toning down of the look and feel of a game based on a perception of reality that does not have a basis in scientific fact. On the other hand, I'm against what you're saying, just because I like the look of the artwork, which has nothing to do with science, and only my personal preference for dramatic color over stark, black space.

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Originally by: ViolenTUK

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There simply isnÆt enough variety to the systems in eve. We are simply looking at the same system with different variables.

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Originally by: london

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Edited by: london on 26/12/2007 18:46:48
You people are terrible, your going to kill Eve from an art perspective. The game has beautiful presentation and style and you want to get rid of it for what? Black space??? COME ON!

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Originally by: DJ P

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Originally by: Neth'Rae

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And well yeah, the nebulas might be realistic if say the system is really close to the nebula..
But it's not gonna work in eve, because it's like; for each system you jump to it's close to a completely different nebula because the backgrounds are completely randomized and in different colors for each system you jump to..

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A nebula isn't just a tiny cloud. They span hundreds and thousands of light years in size and as in my example if you are few hundred ly near they cover everything.
Also wormholes do not connect systems linear. One system can be here, and the connected wormhole on the other side of the galaxy. And from there it's connection warmhole could be near the galactic core or on the other side. They could be even on other galaxies the connections!!

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Originally by: Angel DeMorphis

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It would be nice if there were a "Turn off Nebulae background" option, just so you guys could try it and see how boring it really would be. You think it's dull and boring flying around space with similar nebulaes in every system? Try flying around with nothing but black space and stars in every system. I can't imagine how that would be better than nebulae.

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Originally by: Angel DeMorphis

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It would be nice if there were a "Turn off Nebulae background" option, just so you guys could try it and see how boring it really would be. You think it's dull and boring flying around space with similar nebulaes in every system? Try flying around with nothing but black space and stars in every system. I can't imagine how that would be better than nebulae.

And as far as differences between systems. I've found myself flying around in the same few systems for a little while, then I fly somewhere different for a special trip, maybe from Amarr to Gallente to Minmatar space, and I'm like, wow, I like the nebulaes over here. It's sharper/better colors/whatever. To each her own, I guess.

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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it's a video game.

it's scifi

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Originally by: Neth'Rae

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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it's a video game.

it's scifi

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And?
It's not that immersive sci-fi, or well it could be alot better :)

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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I've had this one idea that eve could show an optional transparent star map while your warping, have spome come animation and angles dancing around to really show you how fast your moving and where your moving to.

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Originally by: Neth'Rae

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Edited by: Neth''Rae on 28/12/2007 08:28:10
The only time I really feel like I'm in space is when I look at the starmap, because it makes the world feel a universe..
Otherwise it's just like I'm floating around in a giantbox or fishbowl and I think alot of people agree..

It's like a huge room with nebula wallpaper and my ship is just a little toy, warping around to these floating objects..
A lot of games have a huge advantage over EVE and that's the environment, it changes depending on where you go and it's fun to explore.. Now I'm not saying the environment in EVE doesn't change, it's just that there's no point warping around exploring for the sake of experiencing new environments.
Basically everything continues in the same pattern with some minor variety, It's not like I sit down and wonder what it looks like 10 jumps away, I know it will be the same thing with stations, belts and this nebula wallpaper.

Now I remember Freelancer and how fun it was to explore, basically because things were different and you'd find new things, though you also controlled the ship in realtime and for obvious reasons that will (probably) never be possible in EVE..

So now I wonder what CCP will do with the graphics update coming next to keep space interesting..
And I sure as hell hope you guys aren't just making new Nebula backgrounds, geez I'm really tired at those, if space was mostly black without nebula clouds everywhere it would make the environment more interesting because once you'd see a nebula cloud you'd probably think it was pretty cool..
Less is more and I wish the devs would understand that, at the moment every system is so unqiue that being unique isn't unique at all and the backgrounds get dull..
Oh and I wasn't playing eve at that time but I've heard there was a bug that removed the nebula backgrounds and people rejoiced. :D

So will we ever see the vast dark empty space..
In the Trinity patch, a star was added which can be seen from all over EVE and now has everyone wondering what it is..
People even try to fly towards it just for fun, that's how exploration should be, more using your eyes than using a scanner..

Imagine if space was totally black and you'd warp into a system where you could see some kind of distant gascloud sitting in space among a thousands of stars, you'd sure get interested and wonder what it was..

Now, here I present to you my list of things needed to improve space:

1. Dark space - Space should be black and filled with stars.
   Nebula backgrounds should be rare and pretty small, maybe based on how close the system is to it so when you warp to another system it gets bigger or smaller..
   No over-use of clouds in the background.



2. Larger planets - Planets should be really HUGE, and stations orbiting them should be doing so at a closer distance, basically the planet should cover more than the entire screen when you look at it..
   It's a good way to provide more dynamic environments with a huge shiny planet instead of a static nebula wallpaper.
   That way you'd get an enviroment change if you'd warp to another planet..



3. No more "dead" space.. The majority of Missions, belts, stations and most things in the game should be close to a celestial object like a moon or a planet, most planets(irl) are pretty huge so there would be alot of room for things orbiting around it at various distances..
   Basically there should always be something to look at as some sort of reference to what size and at what distance things are..



4. Warptunnels The warptunnels should bend around planets and objects.
   Would certainly look cool if you warped towards a planet and then the tunnel bent itself around it, with your ship cruising close to it's atmosphere.

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