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FileCop AI
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Posted - 2004.03.18 17:54:00 -
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I can't see a problem with the fact that if you commit acts in lawless territories that would be illegal in Empire space then you will not then be allowed into Empire space.
Whats the problem with this?
HUH? Seriously. I'll tell you what the problem with this is. There is absolutely NO way you can stay in 0.0 space 24/7. With these kind of sec hits, everyone will have -10 sec status very soon. This means no one can go to empire space. Now, I know this is what ccp wants - but what the heck are the players going to do? How are we gonna get skills? How are we gonna get ships if we want to buy one?
And mining? How do you want anyone not in a huge corp to ever kill anyone? You can't mine in 0.0 space (yeah ok, you can ninja mine, but that's not the way it's supposed to work). You are forcing people into 0.0 space, but people can't "survive" here. You can't get ships, you can't sell anything. You can't do crap.
And just to quote from corp chat: "whats the point of having all these skills when u cant do **** with it?".
And: "I'll quit this game if ccp doesn't fix this, don't want to play a mining simulator".
This is without doubt the most retarded thing EVER done by the devs in EVE.
FileCop AI of MASS
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Ophielle
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Posted - 2004.03.18 17:54:00 -
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I would like to add my thanks for makeing mineing impossible for my whole corperation and for takeing my torpedos away i realy apreachiate the huge amount of warning given about the skill changes ...
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FileCop AI
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Posted - 2004.03.18 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: FileCop AI on 18/03/2004 18:17:05
double post ;/
FileCop AI of MASS
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Brother Victae
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Posted - 2004.03.18 17:58:00 -
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Hmm, that sec rating thingy sucks. Ive been having some major sound problems since the patch. No matter what level I set the music or master volume too, I cant hear the music, its volume is barely above a whisper.
Also: I no longer get warping, autopilot notification or weapon sounds if I alt-tab aout of the game to check the forums.
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Lyle Waters
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Posted - 2004.03.18 17:59:00 -
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I wonder whats on telly tonite?
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Carmen Priano
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Posted - 2004.03.18 18:00:00 -
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Generally stated, I believe CCP needs to get better at giving people a good bit of forewarning about skill changes (missiles, mining) -- but I will say that I don't really disagree with any of the skill-changes. It'll take a couple of days to get back to where we were before, for those tight on skills, but a couple of days for skilling in this game ends up being nothing.
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Inconstant Moon
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Posted - 2004.03.18 18:14:00 -
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can't insure my ship
can't make sense of the Help Channel, it's full of people whining about beeps
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DeathBunny
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Posted - 2004.03.18 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: FileCop AI on 18/03/2004 18:17:05
double post ;/
You made the post you can delete it. You edited it, its right next to one of the buttons in there. I suggest glasses.
Fear The Bunny
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Techie Zero
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Posted - 2004.03.18 18:37:00 -
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Wow CCP...I am speechless. Actually I have a lot to say but I know I would get banned for it.
Why would Concord have control of Law in LAWLESS areas?
This game is a mining sim now really. Not a game where PvP is promoted.
I guess this was a method to fix combat lag? If we don't have huge ship to ship combat anymore---NO MORE LAG PROBLEMS! Hurray!
You have to throw us a bone or something CCP. This can't be so.
EVE-I.com~THE Info source |
Damajink
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Posted - 2004.03.18 18:43:00 -
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I can't see a problem with the fact that if you commit acts in lawless territories that would be illegal in Empire space then you will not then be allowed into Empire space.
Whats the problem with this?
The problem is that a lot of players spend time in 0.0 - you are inevitably going to fight someone at some point. With all the alliances and wars around, getting -0.1/-0.2 sec hits everytime you engage will quickly prevent you from entering Empire space - and with such small sec status increases, it will take months of killing NPCs to be able to enter Empire without getting shot to bits by Concord.
Whoever implemented this (if, indeed, it does exist, and it isn't just a message bug as has been said) obviously hasn't thought it through at all.
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Jazzatola
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Posted - 2004.03.18 20:18:00 -
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There is absolutely NO way you can stay in 0.0 space 24/7...This means no one can go to empire space. Now, I know this is what ccp wants - but what the heck are the players going to do? How are we gonna get skills? How are we gonna get ships if we want to buy one?
This might actually be the point. I can sense some money to be made trading with people stuck in 0.0 
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Korenchkin
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Posted - 2004.03.18 20:20:00 -
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is there any point in these forums CCP? are you paying attention? are you going to give us a response? or is it just a place to ***** about stuff that ****es us off?
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CloudBreaker 03
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Posted - 2004.03.18 20:21:00 -
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Already hate this patch. The skill requirment changes have ruined my ability to run miner 2's and such for a few days. The 0.0 status hits infuriated me. Come on its unregulated space why would you get a security status hit in unpoliced space...thats kinda the whole point of 0.0 space...   
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Inconstant Moon
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Posted - 2004.03.18 20:25:00 -
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please stop complaining about sec hits in 0.0 and read this thread:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=67292
you will find a post by Orestes that indicates this is a bug.
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Tease
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Posted - 2004.03.18 20:28:00 -
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please stop complaining about sec hits in 0.0 and read this thread:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=67292
you will find a post by Orestes that indicates this is a bug.
Would be nice if he'd post it here, the thread we were all directed to come to & hopefully get questions answered when our threads were locked and buried/deleted.
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[2003.12.17 06:35:20] Corwin > Orvolle is .4? Doesn't that mean that it's
less than .5 ? and isn't .5 what starts the danger level?
[2003.12.30 07:15:50] Corwin > Tech 2, IE expanded cargo holds I, MIning
lasers 2, etc.... TL2 is being released all around you
[2003.12.30 07:21:20] Corwin > tech 2 is released to players. Some players
are busy researching the BPs before building stuff. Others are sitting on
the BPs making copies to make money off of them that way |
Schani Kratnorr
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Posted - 2004.03.18 20:41:00 -
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Well you locked the thread I was commenting in, so I am gonna post the same thing again...
yet again ****poor testing routines, and seriously flawed design is making the game unplayable...
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"I am an expert in not caring. The trick is to stop giving a rat's ass about anyone else and start thinking about what YOU want, what YOU diserve, what the world ows YOU!" - Bender |
Tristessa
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Posted - 2004.03.18 20:45:00 -
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Things I see Wrong:
1. Micro Warp-Drive is online in station, however I can't use it in space (happens 85% of the time, extremely annoying)
2. Over-Mouse error when using people and places (seems like it's trying to show the number of jumps, creating the error)
3. Dys-Sync issue when i see the my drones are within range to scoop into bay, however it says im too-far away. blah.
Tris
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CloudBreaker 03
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Posted - 2004.03.18 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: CloudBreaker 03 on 18/03/2004 21:03:00
total bs. I hate this new patch. The autopilot is fubar. I dont like having to clear my cache and erase ALL my preferences everytime i have to travel somewhere. This is the worst of the worst. What good did this patch do again?
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Raudka
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Posted - 2004.03.18 21:24:00 -
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You are not gods even if you are GM's.
The old "sysadmin is god" routine where the sysadmin shafts the users by not giving them information and acting towards them like they are cretins is only practised by a dying breed of bitter individuals.
Any significant change (such as skill requirements) should be announced DAYS before the patch is applied to the General Population. Not only to those that frequent Chaos or related areas since clearly the majority of the users does not have the time.
Treat your users with respect and you get respect back. Simple rule.
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Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution
Defender of newbies
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2004.03.18 21:33:00 -
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no nerfs have affected me but u need to stop nerfing the game until the only people who are playing is the NPC spawns.
2ndly why do you change netcode all the time that doesnt need changing causeing these bugs?.
3rdly teh
"Teh lord of Nonni"
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Djengis Knudde
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Posted - 2004.03.18 22:01:00 -
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really annoying ping.
-sec hit in .0 space ? not very well thought off imo.
lvl4 mining for miner II. good
missile changes. good
To prevent players getting a headache from playing plz remove that ping, and to let them enjoy the game more remove that sec hit plz cos it makes no sence at all. |
Ophielle
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Posted - 2004.03.18 22:24:00 -
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I cant mine ....
I cant use my missles .....
I cant fly any of my decent ships ...
I cant mine .....
welcome to eve online this is a mmorpg that involves flying shuttles round doing rewardless missions for dull agents while fearing the next patch might make u have to do the missions in a space suite
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Dogma2003
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Posted - 2004.03.18 23:04:00 -
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POINT 1#) PVP is heading the opposite direction-More training for tech 1 cruise missiles,torps and heavy missiles!(huh?)
POINT 2#)Mining is heading the opposite direction- More training to use a tech 2 item that had a previous requirement people already had spent time training on. Has the Miner2 had an upgrade in this patch(more ore,etc?)<< This doesn''''t affect me, but ask any of the noobs that now can''''t use miner2''''s >>-(puts in earplugs)
Will I need to have mining 5 in the SHIVA release to use miner 2 1/2s? Tech 2 is taking away everyones fun, PIRATES and CAREBEARS alike!! Where are all the TECH 2 items??
I love this game-Don''t nerf it anymore? Please?
I want this to be EVE, not Super Mario Brothers(TM)
Thanks,
Dogma2003
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I cant mine ....
I cant use my missles .....
I cant fly any of my decent ships ...
I cant mine .....
welcome to eve online this is a mmorpg that involves flying shuttles round doing rewardless missions for dull agents while fearing the next patch might make u have to do the missions in a space suite
*With a gun barrel between your teeth, you speak only in vowels.* |
Kretin Arnon
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Posted - 2004.03.18 23:43:00 -
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Edited by: Kretin Arnon on 18/03/2004 23:51:24
Why oh why did you tune up the general security rating of all systems? It's not even mentioned in the patch notes. I can understand some systems needed a security tuning but with this you just have made all travel in empire regions for characters with an security rating below -5.0 nearly impossible. There used to be some few routes available but now most of them are blocked by a 0.5 system. And I'm here talking about systems with a traffic below 50 ships a day. Why would CONCORD ever want to increase patroling there?
And are the Blood Raiders going legitimate or what? With a 0.3 status in their home systems they don't seem very pirate like to me.
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jamesw
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Posted - 2004.03.18 23:52:00 -
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I understand and agree with the point of view that sec hits for attacking in 0.0 are a harsh, and certainly a sudden change. I do, however, think that this may be a positive thing for the game on a whole - as it will certainly encourage trading from empire to 0.0 space, and alliances will have to think twice about their "closed border" policies.
Real pirates, over time, will have their sec status go below -5.0 and as such will be fair game for alliances protecting their territory.
Roleplay view: I understand the argument for "lawless" space, but in reality with a security organisation such as CONCORD in existance, they would have their finger in every pie, and keep tabs on what was going on outside their "official" jurisdiction. /end roleplay view.
My only suggestions would be that the sec status hits be proportional to the sec level of the system you are in. For instance in a 1.0 system, targeting someone is a -0.2% hit, where in 0.0, the hit is -0.01%.
On a side note, I have noticed (and yes it may be a rather nubtastic revelation) that the sec hits are percentages as in -2.5% for podding, not -2.5 points.
The above assumes that this sec hit change is not a bug, of course.
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.03.19 00:03:00 -
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The above assumes that this sec hit change is not a bug, of course.
It is, they mentioned it already.
Irrelivently. Security is a function of your standing with the police force (CONCORD) and the goverments they represent. The goverments have no control or jurisdiction outside of Empire space, so it doesn't make sense at all. If anything, the relationship of the controlling corporations/alliance to the party is more applicable.
All sec-status does is affect people's entry into empire space. I can't see a reason why you should penalize someone's entry into empire space for them performing some action that has no negative ramifications on the empire space. Most of the alliance people fuel the empire's industry. To restrict them would be a poor choice.
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2004.03.19 00:13:00 -
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CCP ........ this was an April fools..... right!
Mongo speaks !!
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2004.03.19 00:16:00 -
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Edited by: Mongo Peck on 19/03/2004 00:19:51
Ps ...
The beeps are stupid around the stargates ...
And the sec hit in 0.0 proves that you all have been smoking weed ...
Stop messing with things that work and add things people want .... like a kill database ...
Stop ..... f-c-u-k-ing the game up ....
Mongo speaks !!
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CloudBreaker 03
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Posted - 2004.03.19 01:25:00 -
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Edited by: CloudBreaker 03 on 19/03/2004 01:42:34
Edited by: CloudBreaker 03 on 19/03/2004 01:33:19
Edited by: CloudBreaker 03 on 19/03/2004 01:27:01
Seriously - April fools joke right? This demolished most peoples plans. I know it demolished my training plans. And the bugs have kept me stuck on in lor all day, because there is no stargate to kor-azor prime. and im not traveling the 25 or so odd jumps just to get there without the super highway in a bestower. ok ccp we've all had a laugh now TAKE IT BACK! PLEASE! REPATCH OR ROLLBACK! im dying with out my miner 2s :( Oh and another thing. HOW do you change around all the skill requirments of all these skills WITHOUT TELLING ANYBODY. THAT WAY PEOPLE CAN START TRAINING. NOW ALOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T use there miner 2's and whatnot. THANKS!
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Brolly
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Posted - 2004.03.19 02:08:00 -
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Wow, someone's having a bad patch day
Agent standings next to agents, great
Trop skill needing lvl 3 heavy missile, I can live with that, didn't have any torps anyhoos 
Mining lvl 4(?) to use miner 2's, erm, I had mining 5 and astrogelogy asap. Mining @ lvl 3?!?!, weirdo's 
Sec hit in 0.0, hehehe, that'll give em' something to think about. Yes, you may get a sce hit for killing someone, but they loose their ship
Beep, MUST go, it's positively. Fortunately I was in the same system for a while
Docking bugged again, minor inconvenience, i'm sure it will be fixed as soon as the last one.
Haven't read the patch notes yet, but looks like I got through relatively unscathed, I just fear the next patch
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