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Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.04 10:37:00 - [61] Wow wouldn't be such a bad game if it had more incentive to give players than ever more powerfull epics. ------------------------------------------ What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs.
Noodle Pastaman	Posted - 2008.01.04 10:44:00 - [62] Well both EVE and WOW are serious time sink grinds. For most people who play EVE its basically WOW in space (the vast majority of people who play EVE do NOT want non-consentual PVP which is bloody obvious from the peopel in the empire). There is a definite gap in the market for a space based WOW/Star Treck type game and I think EVE would be in serious trouble if one came out
Squatdog DROW Org Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.01.04 10:48:00 - [63] I play both Eve and WoW (often simultanously thanks to the wonders of dualcore processing) The strengths of Eve are it's open-ended nature, the ability to directly influence the game universe and the potentially severe consequences your actions carry. The skill-based progression system means that there is a more even playing field in PVP and a couple of three month noobs with ECM can potentially take down a two year veteran, in contrast to a WoW lvl70 being practically invincible to a swarm of lvl40s... WoW has a much more varied play enviroment, PVP is far more fun and interactive ( more involved than targetting, pressing F1-F7 and making a sandwich) and there is greater potential for random screwing around. My typical PC gaming session involves ratting in 0.0 for an hour or so, then running BGs and ganking people in WoW.
heheheh Singularity. Talon Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:02:00 - [64] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Dromidas Shadowmoon WoW is a game for people who want to use as much of their brain as they do when they watch television, which if I recall, is less than you use when you're taking a crap. It has a safety net the size of russia and mitigates player skill by catering to the weakest link (dumb people). EVE does none of these things, which leads me to the conclusion that the only people who would prefer WoW over EVE are people who are below average in intelligence. Given the average statistics for people who are average or below average intelligence i would say that the percentage of online gamers who play WoW compared with EVE fit nearly perfectly. Actually youre wrong, play a rogue in high end raids for instance. Alot more brain usage and concentration then pushing F1-F8 and looking at my screen and listening to primaries in TS. Youre dead wrong, end game wow is alot more skill then end game eve or eve in general. This is not the reason though that I quit wow and that Im still playing eve. Rubbish, end game wow is just copy a guide and win, PVP in eve is not just pressing F1 to F8, seems you dont know much about it by the way you speak tbh. I play both and just making sense of the tutorial was more complicated that my whole wow experience, 40 man pre tbc raids and all.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:07:00 - [65] Originally by: Ace Garpy I spent 20 years of my life in the armed forces and enjoyed WoW. Does that make me below average intelligence? Yep, only a fool would join an army out of choice.
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:09:00 - [66] I think Eve> Wow, however Wow > Amarr Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:11:00 - [67] This kind of argument used to be really popular in the roman empire and just as pointless. ---- Anything less is wasted effort
Squatdog DROW Org Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:17:00 - [68] Some of you must be completely delusional if you think PVP in Eve is more interactive and involved than WoW. Target > Set Orbit > Press F1-F7 and Ctrl+F1-F3 > Make Sandwich > Walk the dog > Read War and Peace > Scoop loot
MissileRus	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:19:00 - [69] i play wow cause i cant survive in eve and i like 12+ games that have strippers and sexeh characters with almost no clothes and sexeh emotes... /drunkenemo --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
Xetic Thrull Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:23:00 - [70] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Amarr path for the deranged. Where's me meds!?!? pappy?..... My opinions do not neccesarily reflect the generally agreed upon state of reality(s). P.S. Would you like bannana or blueberry flavored death? My siggy would like some color love. P.P.S. CCP,
Zaerlorth Maelkor	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:46:00 - [71] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer In wow you can actually kill people in most areas. Areas people basically have to go to after a certain level. In eve you can go lvl 1-70 + get epics without even leaving safe space. Atleast you cant do that in wow, on a pvp server. YES you can! There is no penalty to dying. There is no penalty to dying. There is no penalty to dying! I rest my case.
Kirao	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:48:00 - [72] Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor Originally by: Lyria Skydancer In wow you can actually kill people in most areas. Areas people basically have to go to after a certain level. In eve you can go lvl 1-70 + get epics without even leaving safe space. Atleast you cant do that in wow, on a pvp server. YES you can! There is no penalty to dying. There is no penalty to dying. There is no penalty to dying! I rest my case. You are so so wrong here. Dieing will involve a walk of at least 20 seconds !1 If thats not harsh pvp returns i dont know what is..
Vadimik	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:52:00 - [73] You know, once on a UO forum I've heard one ingenious thing about WoW: Quote: Whoppers like WoW destroy the balance of the industry for years, creating nothing but clones for half a decade until someone decides to do something original and good again. I don't want to wait that long for another good game. And I think it sums up perfectly why WoW (a great game in and off itself) is so much despised by some.
Eamz Endgame.	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:58:00 - [74] Ive played EVE since 2003 on and off for various reasons (one being WoW). I think i played WoW for about 18 months, until the expansion pack came out. Both games have their merits and its up to the individuals preferences to decide which they would consider the best. Personally i would consider EVE the best, the only reason i started playing WoW was because my RL friends played it. Eventually i came back to EVE without them. Before i stopped playing WoW, if you were lucky and persevering(sp?) enough to be in a raiding guild, you could have a lot of fun. Raiding and killing bosses was technically challenging when you have 40 people that each have a specific role. New bosses could sometimes take weeks to overcome considering that you might only get one tow hour slot each week to have a go at them. Outdoor PVP was fun for the most part but getting corpse camped was a little boring. Battlegrounds PvP is OK, it can be fun especially if you already have the gear that gives you an upper hand against your opponent. But play longer to get items and it gets dull. Generally WOW PvE = fun, PvP = boring. But my main gripe with games like WoW and the main advantage of EVE is the freedom, and generally 0.0. Its a sandbox. Its great, you can do what you want, when you want. EVE economy is vastly superior. The PVP is awesome, it has caused me to shake before a fight has happened. The PvE lacks, but in essence i say PvE is only their to make up for the lack of variety in PvP which imo there is none. In my opinion EVE > WoW.
MissileRus	Posted - 2008.01.04 12:06:00 - [75] just got banned from wow cause i pointed out their numerous sexual impliments in texts and emotes in a kid rated game... figgures... only temp ban though --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
Segge Bolled Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.01.04 12:08:00 - [76] I think the key question in this argument is: Are there lasers in WoW too and do they work properly there?

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Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order	Posted - 2008.01.04 12:30:00 - [78] Originally by: Squatdog Some of you must be completely delusional if you think PVP in Eve is more interactive and involved than WoW. Target > Set Orbit > Press F1-F7 and Ctrl+F1-F3 > Make Sandwich > Walk the dog > Read War and Peace > Scoop loot i never commented nuclear physics. I dont know much about it and i dont wanna look stupid infront of people who know that stuff. there is saying : you might look smart if you are silent. I think you should have obeyed it. cuz right now you pointed how much you lack idea of what real pvp looks like.
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2008.01.04 12:35:00 - [79] EvE vs WoW, the answer is personal opinion based and thus there is no real right or wrong answer to the question. For me the very reason that EvE by far beats WoW is probably the exact oposit to the reason why many people rate one or the other as better, ie the non combat parts of the game. What people compare is EvE combat, PvE and PvP vs WoW combat, PvE and... well PvE anyways. That wich is forgotten is the vast non combat game that EvE delivers, both PvE and PvP while WoW only has a weak PvE harvesting and crafting bit. Thus: Combat PvE, a close call, could go ither way. Combat PvP, EvE wins in my opinion, we fight over somthing real, there is real loss and a larger portion of the playerbase is involved in it. Non combat PvE, EvE wins, its far more diverse and by far more important to the game. Non combat PvP, the WoW non combat PvP is so small and weak Im not even sure it exists. In short for me EvE wins by a small margin if only combat is considered but if you weigh in non combat sides of the game then EvE wins by a wide margin. This naturally is MY opinion, you may feel different...
Squatdog DROW Org Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.01.04 12:47:00 - [80] Edited by: Squatdog on 04/01/2008 12:48:25 'Real PVP' must mean the following: -Wait for someone to come through a gate, press F1-F7 and Ctrl+F1-F3 and make a sandwich How about some immersive siege warfare: -Sit outside Reinforced POS for eight hours straight Hardcore Interceptor action: - Target > MWD to orbit at 20km > Press F1-F3 and ctrl+F1 > turn off MWD if needed > make sandwich Highly skilled ECM fleet PWNAGE: - Target > Switch on ECM > Warp to pre-aligned safespot when primaried > warp back in > repeat ad nauseum Insanely technical Carrier PVP: Sit at POS > Make sandwich
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2008.01.04 13:01:00 - [81] Originally by: Squatdog Edited by: Squatdog on 04/01/2008 12:48:25 'Real PVP' must mean the following: -Wait for someone to come through a gate, press F1-F7 and Ctrl+F1-F3 and make a sandwich How about some immersive siege warfare: -Sit outside Reinforced POS for eight hours straight Hardcore Interceptor action: - Target > MWD to orbit at 20km > Press F1-F3 and ctrl+F1 > turn off MWD if needed > make sandwich Highly skilled ECM fleet PWNAGE: - Target > Switch on ECM > Warp to pre-aligned safespot when primaried > warp back in > repeat ad nauseum Insanely technical Carrier PVP: Sit at POS > Make sandwich Isn't life good when your not a Fleet Commander, but a simple soldier?
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.01.04 13:02:00 - [82] Originally by: Vadimik You know, once on a UO forum I've heard one ingenious thing about WoW: Quote: Whoppers like WoW destroy the balance of the industry for years, creating nothing but clones for half a decade until someone decides to do something original and good again. I don't want to wait that long for another good game. And I think it sums up perfectly why WoW (a great game in and off itself) is so much despised by some. This imo.
Don ZOLA Caldari Omniscient Order	Posted - 2008.01.04 13:06:00 - [83] Originally by: Squatdog Edited by: Squatdog on 04/01/2008 12:48:25 'Real PVP' must mean the following: -Wait for someone to come through a gate, press F1-F7 and Ctrl+F1-F3 and make a sandwich How about some immersive siege warfare: -Sit outside Reinforced POS for eight hours straight Hardcore Interceptor action: - Target > MWD to orbit at 20km > Press F1-F3 and ctrl+F1 > turn off MWD if needed > make sandwich Highly skilled ECM fleet PWNAGE: - Target > Switch on ECM > Warp to pre-aligned safespot when primaried > warp back in > repeat ad nauseum Insanely technical Carrier PVP: Sit at POS > Make sandwich exactly. thats pvp. if you are one of the ordinary bots. if you were anywhere near good pvper, if you every had expirienced dogfights, fighting outnumbered etc, you would know whats real pvp and what is adrenaline rush. but i guess your pvp aint no different from npcing so i wont lose my time to explain you. on the topic - there was great article in pc gamer, wow vs eve, unfortunately i managed to find only 2nd page of it scanned. if someone can dig it up whole article would be great. Here it is :)
Avery Fatwallet	Posted - 2008.01.04 13:48:00 - [84] Originally by: Svargas Ktol Just wondering how people are thinking. Personally, I think Wow is better than EVE. I like Eve too, but there are a lot of reasons which i will describe in brief, as to why WOW, a great game that has been around for many a year, is supperior, but not greatly supperior, to EVE, which in itself is a very good game and a milestone accomplishment, to say the least, even though the trinity patch had some problems which don't need to be revived in this thread, a thread, i might add, that will probably be accused of flaming and trolling and trying to cause trouble, when in fact all I'm trying to do is get opinions as to how people feel about EVE and WOW and the merits and demerits of each respective game. wow is a RATHER NICE but sadly also an UTTERLY STUPID game. i know, how that sounds. that is NO OFFENSE to wow gamers. everybody gamer should have his share of stupid games to relax his or her brain. but to say WOW is "better" than eve is plain wrong for two reasons: there is no "better". its a matter of taste. that being said... eve is better, here is why. there were only a few games that played like eve. maybe elite, maybe homeworld, but in the end, eve is a rather unique experience. even tho their were SOME similar mmorpgs before, ccp imho took "a leap of faith" when they went after their idea. it turned out to be a good game. WOW on the other hand... well.. thats just pure market analysis and catering to the masses. its really no surprise so many people like it (just like so many people like crap movies.. because the masses are sheep). if you look at it... wow is BY NO MEANS INNOVATIVE. its just stealing and copying. what i find shocking, that the GAMEPLAY ITSELF, compared to the rest of the genre, is so utterly crap. i mean seriously WTF.
Draconyx	Posted - 2008.01.04 13:49:00 - [85] Edited by: Draconyx on 04/01/2008 13:49:53 Well first off I would like to say that WOW and EVE are not even in the same class. Other then the fact they are both MMORG's. The subject matter has nothing to do with each other so comparing them is pointless. It is all personnal preference. But IF you ignored the fact that one is a space based SCI-FI and one is a D&D FANTASY game. I feel like I am comparing a Asteroids to Tetris..... Here we go I was and old Everquest Player & then played Everquest II for awhile. The reason I stuck with Everquest II was that WOW looked too cartoony. And I felt it was not harsh enough to merit a game and the player base was lacking. Now granted Everquest II copied WOW in many respects and every time it did we would call it dumbing down the game or WOWism. But Everquest II is still a much better game then WOW so I will use it to compare with EVE. EVE (One server) > EQ2 (Multiple servers) EVE (Sci-Fi) > EQ2 (Fantasy) [Odd how most book stores have lumped them together now ] EVE (PVP based) > EQ2 (PVE based) EVE (Player driven economy) > EQ2 (Game driven economy) EVE (Industry) > EQ2 (Tradskilling) EVE (Offline Training) > EQ2 (Grinding and more Grinding) EVE (Open Ended) > EQ2 (Can see end game content in 1 month if not faster) Now for those that love to wine about lag. Try this EQ & EQ2 Not only do they break up the population on different servers BUT Too many people in one zone and it becomes multiple instances of the same zone. A group in EQ2 is 6 people and a full raid is 24 people. And a full raid means you turn off all effects and set your graphics to minimum. And you still get people getting terrible lag or kicked. And this is 24 people against NPC's ....
Ulendar M34t p0p s1ckle Manufacturing Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 15:37:00 - [86] Edited by: Ulendar on 04/01/2008 15:41:54 Edited by: Ulendar on 04/01/2008 15:40:45 Originally by: Don ZOLA Originally by: Squatdog Some of you must be completely delusional if you think PVP in Eve is more interactive and involved than WoW. Target > Set Orbit > Press F1-F7 and Ctrl+F1-F3 > Make Sandwich > Walk the dog > Read War and Peace > Scoop loot i never commented nuclear physics. I dont know much about it and i dont wanna look stupid infront of people who know that stuff. there is saying : you might look smart if you are silent. I think you should have obeyed it. cuz right now you pointed how much you lack idea of what real pvp looks like. I've spent the majority of my 4 years in Eve pvping, and I gotta agree with Squatdog, cause that is basically what Eve PvP comes down to. Yet - I DO have an idea what REAL PvP looks like .. for me it usually revolves around some well done first person shooter (preferably a more realistic one), WASD controls, and a mouse. As far as Eve PvP goes - I couldn't care less for the boredom that alliance warfare in 0.0 has become (been there, done that), because I refuse to shoot at immobile objects for hours. In small gangs, it's either gank or be ganked, finding a good fight with balanced sides is like winning the lottery. Even if you do, because of the nature of the skills and module system, and the somewhat low interaction that goes with how you control your ship in Eve, PvP is kind of like professional wrestling - predetermined (by the system). There is a reason why you can calculate your dps, your tank, your everything that makes your ship to a Tee. If you got the number crunching down, you'll likely succeed (or at least die less). If you call the attempts of TRYING to stay at optimal and other things that come with Eve PvP interactive, it's your choice. I'm currently in a phase again where I don't actively play, but only read the forums etc. Simply put, ever since I started, Eve has become more and more of a grind. You need way more isk these days to stay competitive in PvP (frigate gangs not withstanding), you need high faction standing to do certain things, etc, etc, etc. The only two things Eve has going for it are the social aspect and the one server for all thing, I really couldn't care less (that is atm) for the rest. Disclaimer: I hate WoW (got sick of it after 30 minutes in Beta).. or any other MMO for that matter. __________
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2008.01.04 15:59:00 - [87] Originally by: Ulendar I've spent the majority of my 4 years in Eve pvping, and I gotta agree with Squatdog, cause that is basically what Eve PvP comes down to. Yet - I DO have an idea what REAL PvP looks like .. for me it usually revolves around some well done first person shooter (preferably a more realistic one), WASD controls, and a mouse. As far as Eve PvP goes - I couldn't care less for the boredom that alliance warfare in 0.0 has become (been there, done that), because I refuse to shoot at immobile objects for hours. In small gangs, it's either gank or be ganked, finding a good fight with balanced sides is like winning the lottery. Even if you do, because of the nature of the skills and module system, and the somewhat low interaction that goes with how you control your ship in Eve, PvP is kind of like professional wrestling - predetermined (by the system). There is a reason why you can calculate your dps, your tank, your everything that makes your ship to a Tee. If you got the number crunching down, you'll likely succeed (or at least die less). If you call the attempts of TRYING to stay at optimal and other things that come with Eve PvP interactive, it's your choice. I'm currently in a phase again where I don't actively play, but only read the forums etc. Simply put, ever since I started, Eve has become more and more of a grind. You need way more isk these days to stay competitive in PvP (frigate gangs not withstanding), you need high faction standing to do certain things, etc, etc, etc. The only two things Eve has going for it are the social aspect and the one server for all thing, I really couldn't care less (that is atm) for the rest. Disclaimer: I hate WoW (got sick of it after 30 minutes in Beta).. or any other MMO for that matter. In EVE a lot of the skill in pvp is applied before the first shots are fired, some pvp in eve happens without shots being fired at all. Associating pvp skill with having to press buttons to begin with is kind of showing how much you know. Also you stated that you have problems finding a good fight, this is also related to skill.
Ulendar M34t p0p s1ckle Manufacturing Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 16:07:00 - [88] Edited by: Ulendar on 04/01/2008 16:07:48 Originally by: Drasked In EVE a lot of the skill in pvp is applied before the first shots are fired, some pvp in eve happens without shots being fired at all. Associating pvp skill with having to press buttons to begin with is kind of showing how much you know. Also you stated that you have problems finding a good fight, this is also related to skill. Oh really, thanks for the heads up man, much appreciated. I NEVER knew I had to fit my ships properly. Wow, there's really a lot left to learn after playing about every facet this game has to offer for 4 years. Well, sarcasm mode off. I am associating pvp skill with pressing buttons? I am indeed, probably because there is not much more to it. You know, I had some hopes that I wouldn't have to put a disclaimer behind all my statements, and that certain things would simply be taken for granted, but I guess that was my mistake. - I know to fit my ships, thanks - I know what to do when in PvP, at which range I gotta stay, etc, thanks - I know there is market pvp, thanks - Finding a good fight is related to skill like how exactly? Enlighten me please, though judging how you failed to do so in your initial reply, I am really curious what you're gonna respond with (notice I was infact NOT complaining about finding good fights to begin with..). __________
Araxmas An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.01.04 16:29:00 - [89] Edited by: Araxmas on 04/01/2008 16:29:46 EVE is better than WoW because EVE....has spaceships. I do play both and frankly WoW is so much inferiour to everquest 2. WoW's pvp is revolved around who has the most stamina. WoW's pve is revolved around the whole game (you have to pve to level, even on those craptacular pvp servers) WoW's industry side is so basic and grind tastic that it is boring. WoW will just keep throwing more level's on with each expansion thus making all you work for obsolete next expansion..eve does not. edit: had a typo -------- The Derek Quote Pyramid
Oosel Nightmare Holdings Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 16:29:00 - [90] played eve from beta 4 and started playing wow a year and a half ago when eve started to lose its single player apeal because of my time constraints eve is still the game id like to play as its very good but i will not play a game that takes so much time to do anything good and also more or less forces you to buy a 2nd account if you want to be able to jump your cap ships at any time you want without having to take up someone elses time. and the same for hauling or missions in the sense you need to scout ahead so when it became clear i was doomed if i didnt get a 2nd account i found a game that you can play solo but also can play instantly be it in battlegrounds or questing and thats my only reason for not playing eve at moment but im sure things change so i'll keep skilling for now

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