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Thaylon Sen The Boondock Saints	Posted - 2008.01.10 19:10:00 - [31] Cant stand the heat? Get out of the kitchen.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.10 19:30:00 - [32] It's not bullying if it's a business you do for profit. Thread fail. Rifters!
Shanur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.01.10 20:50:00 - [33] Originally by: Bishop Stewart Now some are probably already screaming. But it is, by all definitions, cyberbullying. They declare war on a smaller, newer corp. Knowing full well that the members of said corp are ill equipped for pvp, maybe even completely inexperienced at it. Then they demand money for the aggression to cease. Sound familiar? Many have probably seen or experienced something similar on a school playground. If they were so inexperienced in PvP, why did they refuse to join up with players who could protect them instead of starting yet another corp without clear purpose or a clear approach on how to achieve it in a totally hostile environment that did not need them? Newbies should not start corps. They should join an existing one until they are strong enough or influetial enough to defend their own corp from any attempt at bullying.
JamnOne Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:03:00 - [34] Edited by: JamnOne on 10/01/2008 21:04:04 Ok, I found the story by CCP Wrangler talking about this and copied part of it "alliance hopping to avoid wars is not allowed reported by CCP Wrangler \| 2008.01.10 16:32:33 \| NEW Presently, there is a loophole that some corporations are using to avoid wars that have been declared on them. As soon as a war has been declared on the corporation, they join an alliance and, once admitted, they immediately leave the alliance again. The result is that they are only involved in an active war for 24 hours and not a week as should be the case according to normal war game-play mechanics. Bogus alliances have even been created for the sole purpose of giving corps a way out of wars. This is an unintended game mechanic and it will be fixed as soon as possible." Now as you notice the part in bold he says it is an unintended game mechanic. This is not "Cyberbullying" people getting their way. This is simply the rules being enforced. Now, my recommendation - join an alliance. Make an agreement with this alliance that you will build ships for them at a discounted price and sell mineral & ore at a discounted price, in return they provide protection. If you are going to join an alliance to cover your wardec you have to compensate them a little bit. And as the Alliance Grows by those trying to avoid pvp so does the corps who only do pvp that are part of the alliance. just my 2 iskies...be aware though, if you are a macro trying to avoid a battle, the alliance may not accept you or may only accept just to totally destroy you. ________________________ Originally by: CCP Prism X Hah! Vengeance is sweet!
Malcanis 5 finger discounteers	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:04:00 - [35] Originally by: Bishop Stewart This is my first posting in this forum. And it is a rant. Good start, eh? So. Corporations are no longer capable of using this "exploit" to counter cyberbullies who's only joy it is to grief other players ingame. Now some are probably already screaming. But it is, by all definitions, cyberbullying. They declare war on a smaller, newer corp. Knowing full well that the members of said corp are ill equipped for pvp, maybe even completely inexperienced at it. Then they demand money for the aggression to cease. Sound familiar? Many have probably seen or experienced something similar on a school playground. How many players are now going to quit this wonderful game because they can no longer enjoy it without being ganked by those who enjoy ruining other people's game experience? Those who only want to go ratting with their corporate friends, those who only want to mine, produce and enjoy the rich virtual economy? What can we do? Well, I have several options. First, implement a toggle for corporations if they want to participate in wars or not. Not any specific war, but war in general. Or, second, have CONCORD attack any faction that opens fire in high sec space. That would be realistic in their terms of keeping the peace. That would give non-pvp members of a corp a safe little zone for them to mine and rat in relative peace. Make it that a warring faction can, however, attack them in .5 and .6 space. Just not above. Or, make declaring war a LOT more expensive to keep corporations, who's sole intent is to grief other players, from happily destroying all the small corporations. If someone truly wants pvp, they will go to low sec, where it belongs. Thanks for reading my two cents on the subject. CCP are very explicit and up front about one major - I would say core aspect of EvE: non-consensual PvP. That means that you can, despite your motivations and wishes, find yourself in a situations where you can be forced to fight. It's as much a part of the game as being tackled is a part of football. If you don't like being tackled, then candidly, you're playing the wrong game. I'd go so far as to say not only is non-consensual PvP possible, not only is it likely, I would say that it is by far the most frequent kind of PvP in EvE. Wardecs are a mechanism whereby NON-CONSENSUAL PvP can occur in hi-sec space. That's the ONLY reason for a war-dec. If CCP merely wanted to allow consensual PvP, then the gang mechanism or can aggro mechanism provide for that very well. Evading a wardec by recycling your alliance perfectly fits the definition of an exploit: "An unintended use of game mechanics to gain advantage". CCP never intended for this to be possible, and now that iMune have brought the situation to a head, they have closed the loophole. Now your options are: Man up and fight Pay up and make peace Join an alliance that actually wants you, not just your war-dec Quit. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
LifeLines m3 Corp Friend or Enemy	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:06:00 - [36] Originally by: Bishop Stewart How many players are now going to quit this wonderful game because they can no longer enjoy it without being ganked by those who enjoy ruining other people's game experience? Those who only want to go ratting with their corporate friends, those who only want to mine, produce and enjoy the rich virtual economy? none. or only you. no wait. not even you. yeah. you fail at ranting id say 3/10.
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:08:00 - [37] Originally by: Crumplecorn OP fails hard. If you don't want to engage in wars, stay in the NPC corp. If you don't like this, EVE is not the game you are looking for etc. Obviously there are going to be people who I would describe in a diplomatic fashion as 'somewhat lame' who will go around fighting only opponents far weaker than themselves. This is an inevitable result of the freedom in EVE. If you want a game with less freedom, go back to <game> etc. And, its never griefing. ur sigs = WIN!!!!11!11
Saladin Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:10:00 - [38] EvE is the sort of game that attracts people with bloodlust or some hidden desire to bully others. I understand how you feel, but CCP is not likely to change this any time soon. So its clear to me from your post that you don't have much pvp experience. Thats not a big problem. You guys have obviously spent a lot of time resource gathering, so maybe just agree to their demands and pay them what they want - However if you guys want to grow a backbone, now is a good time as any. If you guys choose to make a stand, you will find plenty in the EvE community willing to offer advice and assistance. Don't let your gaming experience be held hostage, and definitely don't let the non-constructive replies in this thread run you out of the game.
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:10:00 - [39] The things you own end up owning you.
Malcanis 5 finger discounteers	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:12:00 - [40] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Originally by: Bishop Stewart How many players are now going to quit this wonderful game because they can no longer enjoy it without being ganked by those who enjoy ruining other people's game experience? Those who only want to go ratting with their corporate friends, those who only want to mine, produce and enjoy the rich virtual economy? If there's one thing Eve has proved time and time again, it's that for every weepy carebear that quits after being ganked, three badass griefers step up to take his place. Quit if you want to, but rest assured you will not be missed as long as this game's population continues to grow. Why not use your masterful command of that rich Eve economy to hire some mercenaries to defend you? Recirculate some of your carebear earnings into that economy instead of sitting on your hoard like a frightened hen. Istvaan's post strikes crybaby perfectly for wrecking damage to his ego. You lose lock as Bishop Stewart's account begins to unsubscribe. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Heroine Bambi	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:19:00 - [41] Not surprised this happened, and honestly, whatever. War is fine the way it is imo. If a corp gets decced, they can still join some hardcore PvP Alliance and those guys get a free war to fight. You simply can't leave that Alliance for the remainder of the war.
F90OEX	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:23:00 - [42] F'ing whiners
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:24:00 - [43] Originally by: Grimpak this and this. don't like it? this. an image is worth 1000 words. Crumplecorm's sigs are worth 1000 replies. Actually I think that this one is far more appropreate, followed closely by this one. Now if only we can get a little of this.
Lucy Light	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:27:00 - [44] lol just like life hey? how many people are calling it quits because other better prepared people get their jobs? eve is open warfare. it always was.. accept the risks or dont play eve. I like to eat one nutella sandwich for breakfast
Troye Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:31:00 - [45] Cyberbullies? awww Originally by: GM Nova What the hell???
Vikarion Caldari United Heavens	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:40:00 - [46] Originally by: Bishop Stewart This is my first posting in this forum. And it is a rant. Good start, eh? ...stuff... Thanks for reading my two cents on the subject. I think I lost brain cells reading this. I mean, I'm a carebear, and I can fully understand the whole war mechanic without whining. To come play a game where PvP is supposedly a central feature of the game and then complain about that feature... erm, to be diplomatic about it...it's less than a good idea. I use CrumpleCorn(tm) Sigs, because they (and he) are awesome!
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:41:00 - [47] lol @ OP. If you want to stay wardec free, cozy and safe under Concords warm feathers do as I do and run your corp from the npc corps. Pen and paper are a damn fine substitute for the in game corp interface mate. Only thing I can't do is run a war or drop pos/outpost but wtf do I need to do that for anyways? Originally by: Richard Phallus Come live with the common idiot, it's more fun down here. I did and got banned.
Gloria Stitz	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:55:00 - [48] This thread is only missing the guy with the spoon fixation ------------- 'Don't try to learn Eve all at once, otherwise your brain will explode' - Albert Einstein ------------
Lithalnas Amarr Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.01.10 22:01:00 - [49] So i wardec newish corps, I have also lost ships to them. (ok i know i fail) But seriously, the reason why we play eve is to shoot at other people. Notice the two Ms in MMO, that means Massivly Multiplayer. Not 'my own little world that i sometimes let people play in but you cant hurt me because your butterfly cannon does no damage'. For that i suggest you find a MOLWTISLPPIBYCHMBYBCDND- ORPG. and the OP should go to wow. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
Khatred Fluffy Mungoose Guinea Pigs	Posted - 2008.01.10 22:08:00 - [50] While I can't say I agree with the OP, the decision is bs. Another decision made by the ear and probably influenced by the forums. When people were dodging my wars (not with this character) by leaving corporation and reforming, it was ok (altough it should have not been). Now war dodging it's again not ok. No spine to stand up to one decision, once and for all?
Ivan Hablovi Minmatar Quam Singulari The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.10 22:11:00 - [51] I guess, new players who want fast and easy income, with none risk, SHOULD NOT LEAVE NOOB CORP. People who dont want to PEWPEW, go back to NOOBCORP, there they are safe from harassing "cyberbullies". Simple as that. Stop whining.
Trof Gallente Griffin Inc. Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 22:15:00 - [52] If you have not read this here is a link that has some helpfull advice/tatics for dealing with issue. http://evefiles.mysterious-mysteries.com/eve-online_war_target_guide.html Free your Mind! Acknowledge and Move On!
Snowcrash Winterheart2 Gallente Concordia Discors	Posted - 2008.01.10 22:18:00 - [53] Originally by: Crumplecorn If you don't want to engage in wars, stay in the NPC corp. Shall I queue up a "NPC corp *****ing thread" or shall you? ----- Four paws... four sets of claws.
Raem Civrie Sons of Enelaise Enelaise	Posted - 2008.01.10 22:20:00 - [54] This change is like 3 years late. Also, what Istvaan said. ---
Windryder New Fnord Industries Black Scope Project	Posted - 2008.01.10 22:24:00 - [55] Okay so if us Carebears dodge a wardec by Alliance Hopping is an EXPLOIT but when Hi-Sec Grief-Dec'ers engage us and then CORPORATION HOP to avoid retaliation it is NOT AN EXPLOIT? Oh FFS CCP either get some consistency or just GET RID OF CONCORD already! Its not like us carebears can "Peacedec" someone to stop them blowing people up. Heres my Petition from October on this very subject: 5-Oct-2007 06:28 Is it considered an exploit to engage a high-sec war-target (in high-sec), then dock and immediately move yourself to a neutral corporation to avoid further engagements? Or is such a use of the game mechanics considered fair play? Windryder 5-Oct-2007 06:29 HI, This is not considered an exploit. Best regards, GM Tacgnol EvE Online Customer Service Support
Zian Tzu	Posted - 2008.01.10 22:25:00 - [56] or buy X3, no seriously, and before you say it, I do believe X3 is going MP
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.10 22:33:00 - [57] Originally by: Crumplecorn OP fails hard. If you don't want to engage in wars, stay in the NPC corp. If you don't like this, EVE is not the game you are looking for etc. Obviously there are going to be people who I would describe in a diplomatic fashion as 'somewhat lame' who will go around fighting only opponents far weaker than themselves. This is an inevitable result of the freedom in EVE. If you want a game with less freedom, go back to <game> etc. And, its never griefing. And if too many players stay in NPC corporations now, the whiney griefers will whine again until CCP nerfs NPC corps... Disclaimer: I do not speak for the fanbois.
NeoTheo Caldari Species 5618 Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.01.10 22:35:00 - [58] dont wanna get war dec'ed ? ----------> NPC corp.
Davlin Lotze Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.10 22:51:00 - [59] Couldn't have happened sooner. Nice work CCP. Burn in hell carebears!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.01.10 22:51:00 - [60] Originally by: Lazuran And if too many players stay in NPC corporations now, the whiney griefers will whine again until CCP nerfs NPC corps... But CCP will never do it, as the explicit purpose of NPC corps is to let people avoid wardecs. Ans so, carebears win, legitimate PvPers win, and true griefers lose. Great success. Except for the whiners who already unsubbed. But there's no use crying over every mistake. People keep on joining so the game must be great. NPC corpers can hide, and wardecs are fine, for the people who are still subscribed. And believe me I am still subscribed. And when the whine ends I'll be still subscribed. Still subscribed. Still subscribed. Also, I've never seen as many links to my sigs in one thread as there are in this one. - DesuSigs

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