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Lin Lo
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Posted - 2008.01.11 06:30:00 -
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Find out how much the wardec corp asks and advertise for any mercs that would like to take up the amount offered to slap the ganking corp instead.
That is a way to deal with the problem in-game without resorting to mechanic bugs to get around it.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.11 08:00:00 -
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Vulnerable 'carebear' corps should join with a powerful Empire-based alliance that is prepared to defend them. You could also set up an alternate area of operations and at the first sign of war move away.
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NickSuccorso
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2008.01.11 08:13:00 -
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Hiring mercenaries would certainly solve your problem, but wouldn't it be more rewarding to grab some rifters and kestrels or some cruisers to go out and defend yourself? I mean, you'd probably get clobbered a few times, but then you kill one or two of them, and start getting some knowledge on how to do it. You start talking to some people and reading threads on forums and then you manage to kill a battleship of theirs. Now you're still losing frigates and cruisers like crazy, but they're starting to lose a bs here or there, or maybe even a hac or recon. Suddenly the cyberbully villians start smacking you out of anger a bit, but one of their top guys has extended the olive branch and a day or two later the dec drops. Now you can continue on with your bearing fun, and you've got some pvp buddies that can help with local defence or training.
Fast forward to 7 months later and you guys have taken control of a nice little spot in low sec and the pirates don't really bother you too much because you're self sufficient and defend yourself pretty well. Your bears have never made so much isk between high sec. trade routes (or whatever people do there) and low sec mining (do people do that?) and missions and your military wing has a pretty good killboard ratio. Soon it'll be time to take a serious look at 0.0, either as a renter or joining another young crew that wants a taste. A few months after that Sov. 1 drops on your first captured system, and it feels good.
Or you can hang out in high sec. hiring mercenaries forever and ever because you just don't want to be bothered (and no problem with that. It's ok to not have grand dreams and just be chilled out and casual. Have your fun!).
Or you can immediately run to the forums sobbing because some cyberbully (hee hee)won't leave you alone. **** that noise. Besides, if you try to pvp them, without having a tonne of expectations of glory, you might start to like it. I'll let you in on another little tip: The gap in player skill between total newb and high sec. griefer is generally not as large as people (usually newbs who just don't know the game yet) think it is. Most of them are in high sec. griefing new guys for a reason. They aren't very good.
Anywho, good luck with whatever you decide. Stop with the self defeatist garbage because it gives me severe gas.
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Inertial
Blood Reavers
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Posted - 2008.01.11 08:33:00 -
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Or, second, have CONCORD attack any faction that opens fire in high sec space. That would be realistic in their terms of keeping the peace. That would give non-pvp members of a corp a safe little zone for them to mine and rat in relative peace. Make it that a warring faction can, however, attack them in .5 and .6 space. Just not above.
The whole point of war deccing someone is so you can shoot them in High Sec, thus is you let concord shoot you, you will in the end have invalidated the whole war mechanism.
Now, when you have gained some more expirience about eve, and your corp have extended industrially and got another corp putting up to much competition, you have gotten scammed and want revenge, your 0.0/low-sec operation are being harrassed by pirates basing out of high sec, etc, you would appreciate a mechanism to get them, woudln't you?
If you want a safe zone, go to 0.0, it is about as safe as it gets, because everyone that is not blue is a potential hostile, and you see them coming from miles away. Besides, you can easily earn 100 million a day of ratting.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.11 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Bishop Stewart
This is my first posting in this forum.
And it is a rant. Good start, eh?
So. Corporations are no longer capable of using this "exploit" to counter cyberbullies who's only joy it is to grief other players ingame.
Now some are probably already screaming. But it is, by all definitions, cyberbullying. They declare war on a smaller, newer corp. Knowing full well that the members of said corp are ill equipped for pvp, maybe even completely inexperienced at it. Then they demand money for the aggression to cease. Sound familiar? Many have probably seen or experienced something similar on a school playground.
How many players are now going to quit this wonderful game because they can no longer enjoy it without being ganked by those who enjoy ruining other people's game experience? Those who only want to go ratting with their corporate friends, those who only want to mine, produce and enjoy the rich virtual economy?
What can we do? Well, I have several options. First, implement a toggle for corporations if they want to participate in wars or not. Not any specific war, but war in general.
Or, second, have CONCORD attack any faction that opens fire in high sec space. That would be realistic in their terms of keeping the peace. That would give non-pvp members of a corp a safe little zone for them to mine and rat in relative peace. Make it that a warring faction can, however, attack them in .5 and .6 space. Just not above.
Or, make declaring war a LOT more expensive to keep corporations, who's sole intent is to grief other players, from happily destroying all the small corporations. If someone truly wants pvp, they will go to low sec, where it belongs.
Thanks for reading my two cents on the subject.
Read about this game before you start playing then. You know there is something called declaring war between player corps. If you choose to ignore this and when times of war knocks at your door you fail. Then you should either have prepared or just stayed in your npc corp.
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Gealbhan
Caldari
The SAS
The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2008.01.11 08:38:00 -
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We had that problem once, just started and we got a war deced so we said fine.
We loaded up and caused more damage to them than they did to us.
In a player corp you got two options when war deced, either kick their butt yourself or hire mercs to do it for you.
The first option is the most gratifying btw.
"Concentrate all your fire on one target, when it is destroyed, move on to the next. That is how you secure victory". - Tactica Imperium. |
Vladimir Ilych
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.01.11 08:52:00 -
[97]
I have now read this entire thread. Mostly as the many replies have been vastly amusing. I did have a WTH moment when reading the OP but as other people have pointed out this is probably a troll post.
A very well done troll though.  *pats head*
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LukeIamYourMother
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.01.11 09:17:00 -
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As others pointed out above.. the wardec option is intentional. Finding ways to get away from wardecs without spending money or fighting is a way of escaping what's intended with EVE.
There's no safe space in EVE and it never will be.
They might be lame, but if you are not pvpers you are likely to earn more money than they do. Your option is to hire mercs, disband, join new corps, not undock, etc.
EVE is a dirty place and fighting fair was never the intention when designining it. Think you'll have to accept that or EVE is simply nothing for you. Harsh, but true.
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Shismo
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Posted - 2008.01.11 09:56:00 -
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I dont care about this, because im just a newbie corp alt with 900k skillpoints and has already waited the 10 hours to be recycled.
But any of you people who whine about this 'exploit' before it became an 'exploit' and was just another 'thing you can do in this game', cant say a single thing to anyone who whines about being war deced in a weak newbie corp.
As we know, in eve, there are no exploits. If you can do it, its okay. If CCP fixes it (or announces they are going to try to fix it). Then it becomes no longer a part of the game.
So the big thing to take away from this whole incident, is that the evil pirates and general gankers are just as much a gigantic crybaby when their toys get taken away as anyone else. (and also that they are all GM alts!  )
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Jesum
Amarr
Warmongers
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Posted - 2008.01.11 11:23:00 -
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Exploiting the game should never be allowed.
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Windryder
New Fnord Industries
Black Scope Project
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Posted - 2008.01.11 11:44:00 -
[101]
Mercenaries? What a laugh.
I can't find any willing to take on the defense of a "carebear" corp, no matter how bad-ass they think they are.
We had 4 war decs in 2007, the first starting just 2 weeks after our alliance was formed. Only 1 of those war decs was from somebody we had done wrong to - ironically we got war-decced by the Coalition of Carebear Killers for NOT podding one of their pilots in low-sec.
The others were corps just picking a fight for the hell of it.
One of those corps had a GREAT game mechanic - they would sit in a neutral corp, spot a war target, join the warring corp, engage, flee and then immediately leave and join a different neutral corp. As I have pointed out on page 2, thats not an exploit, but doing the VERY SAME THING as a corp IS an exploit? I don't mind if it is an exploit but I would like some *consistency* between the scales.
There's a comment above about going to 0.0 where it is safer. Actually thats true. Your playing style has to change dramatically but if you are willing to stop doing most of the things you enjoy in high-sec then you can avoid the war.
Everyone (yes you, the super-genius) is missing the real point - and that is that ALL the tools for waging PVP warfare are in the hands of the COMBAT PILOTS and there are NONE in the hands of the Industrials.
Someone once berated me for not keeping-up on the forums. After wading through 4 pages of people abusing someone that doesn't want to be forced into PVP Combat (separate from PVP Industry/Mining/Scamming/Etc) I am now reminded of why I read the forums so rarely. Forum Warriors, I salute you. You win the forums. I also note that in the previous 2 pages no-one dared touch my original page 2 comment.
And before any flames start - yes I know I should leave the game and play WoW because industrial carebears leech the lifeblood from the game and give nothing in return - I'll take that as a given so long as you provide intelligent on-topic discussion.
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KaosTheory
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Posted - 2008.01.11 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Sorry, but it's within game mechanics to declare war on a corporation, regardless of said corporation's experience/age/member count. Quickly joining and leaving an alliance for the sole purpose of invalidating wars is an exploit.
This isn't a victory for cyberbullies, it's a victory for reason.
War Dec'ing an Industrial Corp can be said the same.
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Mik kyo
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.11 11:49:00 -
[103]
See you in wow
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Holocost
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Posted - 2008.01.11 11:57:00 -
[104]
I've created this alt just to make a corp and "cyberbully" this guy! |
Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.01.11 12:20:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Windryder
Mercenaries? What a laugh.
I can't find any willing to take on the defense of a "carebear" corp, no matter how bad-ass they think they are.
contact Viqer Fell or TheMantisCH. We are happy to solve the problems of any carebear corp that got wardecced
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Coloumbia
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Posted - 2008.01.11 12:53:00 -
[106]
It all breaks down into the criminal way of space life, it sucks, i hate it, but then again, if this game was easy, i wouldn't play...
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Shanur
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.01.11 13:38:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Jowen Datloran
I think it is a change for the better.
And I would like to remind the OP that he can always restart and join STI. We are a friendly bunch.
Or he could join RMS and actually learn how to PvP (lots of pirate alts in RMS). Just sign up the next time someone mentions the word RifterDeath. |
Kamikazi TWO
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Posted - 2008.01.11 13:57:00 -
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Could someone explain how this is any different from the corps that used to join/leave the Privateers in order to get fights when they wanted them and avoid them when they didn't ?
At the time this was deemed not to be an exploit as you could still wardec them after they left the alliance.
So again how is this different ?
I suppose you could join the alliance and then get your CEO and their CEO to have an arguement and kick you out. I can't see CCP forcing you back in the alliance when they don't want you in there.
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heheheh
Singularity.
Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.11 14:01:00 -
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Edited by: heheheh on 11/01/2008 14:02:48
im still laughing at the word cyberbullies lol
seriously its people like the OP that make it worth it.
a victim for life haha
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Zaskarr
Amarr
Falling Stars Squadron
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Posted - 2008.01.11 14:03:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Zaskarr on 11/01/2008 14:02:58
Originally by: Bishop Stewart
This is my first posting in this forum.
..rabble, rabble, rabble
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DJ P
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Posted - 2008.01.11 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: DJ P on 11/01/2008 14:18:54
I will say only good job CCP.
Bring back EVE in it's true roots. Now you are on the right way.
Amen to the people with common sense who support CCP.
Who ever want's to play Hello Kitty Online, that's the way --->>>
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.01.11 14:32:00 -
[112]
EVE does not have consensual PVP, period. If someone wants to kill you, they can do it anywhere, any time, under any circumstances. If you don't want to die the only choice you have is to stay docked.
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Kale Kold
Caldari
V i r u s
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Posted - 2008.01.11 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Kale Kold on 11/01/2008 14:52:02
Originally by: Bishop Stewart
So. Corporations are no longer capable of using this "exploit" to counter cyberbullies who's only joy it is to grief other players ingame.
Yay!!! Piracy is a legit profession you know. 
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Ga'len
Wandering Druid of Tranquility
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Posted - 2008.01.11 17:05:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Bishop Stewart
This is my first posting in this forum.
And it is a rant. Good start, eh?
So. Corporations are no longer capable of using this "exploit" to counter cyberbullies who's only joy it is to grief other players ingame.
Yep, you can't exploit this anymore, you are going to have to return to the "Disband and make a new corp" tactic.
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Ga'len
Wandering Druid of Tranquility
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Posted - 2008.01.11 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: Ga''len on 11/01/2008 17:11:53
Originally by: Windryder
Mercenaries? What a laugh.
I can't find any willing to take on the defense of a "carebear" corp, no matter how bad-ass they think they are.
Windryder, I guess you forgot how your alliance hired Serenity Prime, had them join your alliance and fight your battles with The Really Awesome Players and then leave your alliance.
Keep your facts straight man.
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gordon cain
Minmatar
x13
When Fat Kids Attack
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Posted - 2008.01.11 17:32:00 -
[116]
to CCP:
Why not just remove wars in empire. Would make alot of people happy.
gordon cain
Never argue with idiots, they will just drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience. |
The Herrick
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.11 17:40:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Akita T
Only when it's released as MP3 
Linkage
Quick and nasty, I will improve it if and when I am offically made king of the forums.
*gets nekkid*
Okay you can have me.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.11 18:49:00 -
[118]
Originally by: gordon cain
to CCP:
Why not just remove wars in empire. Would make alot of people happy.
gordon cain
to ccp: Why not boost amarr? Would make alot of people happy.
Both wont happen.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2008.01.11 18:49:00 -
[119]
its bad because a game exploit is no longer allowed 
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar
Racketeers
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.01.11 20:01:00 -
[120]
I miss the old war dec system and the old Privateers. Not enough crying concerning high sec wars.
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