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Bishop Stewart	Posted - 2008.01.10 17:52:00 - [1] This is my first posting in this forum. And it is a rant. Good start, eh? So. Corporations are no longer capable of using this "exploit" to counter cyberbullies who's only joy it is to grief other players ingame. Now some are probably already screaming. But it is, by all definitions, cyberbullying. They declare war on a smaller, newer corp. Knowing full well that the members of said corp are ill equipped for pvp, maybe even completely inexperienced at it. Then they demand money for the aggression to cease. Sound familiar? Many have probably seen or experienced something similar on a school playground. How many players are now going to quit this wonderful game because they can no longer enjoy it without being ganked by those who enjoy ruining other people's game experience? Those who only want to go ratting with their corporate friends, those who only want to mine, produce and enjoy the rich virtual economy? What can we do? Well, I have several options. First, implement a toggle for corporations if they want to participate in wars or not. Not any specific war, but war in general. Or, second, have CONCORD attack any faction that opens fire in high sec space. That would be realistic in their terms of keeping the peace. That would give non-pvp members of a corp a safe little zone for them to mine and rat in relative peace. Make it that a warring faction can, however, attack them in .5 and .6 space. Just not above. Or, make declaring war a LOT more expensive to keep corporations, who's sole intent is to grief other players, from happily destroying all the small corporations. If someone truly wants pvp, they will go to low sec, where it belongs. Thanks for reading my two cents on the subject.
Bishop Stewart	Posted - 2008.01.10 17:52:00 - [2] This is my first posting in this forum. And it is a rant. Good start, eh? So. Corporations are no longer capable of using this "exploit" to counter cyberbullies who's only joy it is to grief other players ingame. Now some are probably already screaming. But it is, by all definitions, cyberbullying. They declare war on a smaller, newer corp. Knowing full well that the members of said corp are ill equipped for pvp, maybe even completely inexperienced at it. Then they demand money for the aggression to cease. Sound familiar? Many have probably seen or experienced something similar on a school playground. How many players are now going to quit this wonderful game because they can no longer enjoy it without being ganked by those who enjoy ruining other people's game experience? Those who only want to go ratting with their corporate friends, those who only want to mine, produce and enjoy the rich virtual economy? What can we do? Well, I have several options. First, implement a toggle for corporations if they want to participate in wars or not. Not any specific war, but war in general. Or, second, have CONCORD attack any faction that opens fire in high sec space. That would be realistic in their terms of keeping the peace. That would give non-pvp members of a corp a safe little zone for them to mine and rat in relative peace. Make it that a warring faction can, however, attack them in .5 and .6 space. Just not above. Or, make declaring war a LOT more expensive to keep corporations, who's sole intent is to grief other players, from happily destroying all the small corporations. If someone truly wants pvp, they will go to low sec, where it belongs. Thanks for reading my two cents on the subject.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.10 17:58:00 - [3] Sorry, but it's within game mechanics to declare war on a corporation, regardless of said corporation's experience/age/member count. Quickly joining and leaving an alliance for the sole purpose of invalidating wars is an exploit. This isn't a victory for cyberbullies, it's a victory for reason. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.10 17:58:00 - [4] Sorry, but it's within game mechanics to declare war on a corporation, regardless of said corporation's experience/age/member count. Quickly joining and leaving an alliance for the sole purpose of invalidating wars is an exploit. This isn't a victory for cyberbullies, it's a victory for reason. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.10 17:59:00 - [5] It's a mad world. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.10 17:59:00 - [6] It's a mad world. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:00:00 - [7] Originally by: Bishop Stewart How many players are now going to quit this wonderful game because they can no longer enjoy it without being ganked by those who enjoy ruining other people's game experience? Those who only want to go ratting with their corporate friends, those who only want to mine, produce and enjoy the rich virtual economy? Wait wait wait... Have you ever even played EVE? _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:00:00 - [8] Originally by: Bishop Stewart How many players are now going to quit this wonderful game because they can no longer enjoy it without being ganked by those who enjoy ruining other people's game experience? Those who only want to go ratting with their corporate friends, those who only want to mine, produce and enjoy the rich virtual economy? Wait wait wait... Have you ever even played EVE? _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:11:00 - [9] OP fails hard. If you don't want to engage in wars, stay in the NPC corp. If you don't like this, EVE is not the game you are looking for etc. Obviously there are going to be people who I would describe in a diplomatic fashion as 'somewhat lame' who will go around fighting only opponents far weaker than themselves. This is an inevitable result of the freedom in EVE. If you want a game with less freedom, go back to <game> etc. And, its never griefing. - DesuSigs
ChrisFish Undocumented Features	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:13:00 - [10] Oh sure...let's all just do what YOU wanna do.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:15:00 - [11] Originally by: Bishop Stewart This is my first posting in this forum. And it is a rant. Good start, eh? So. Corporations are no longer capable of using this "exploit" to counter cyberbullies who's only joy it is to grief other players ingame. Now some are probably already screaming. But it is, by all definitions, cyberbullying. They declare war on a smaller, newer corp. Knowing full well that the members of said corp are ill equipped for pvp, maybe even completely inexperienced at it. Then they demand money for the aggression to cease. Sound familiar? Many have probably seen or experienced something similar on a school playground. How many players are now going to quit this wonderful game because they can no longer enjoy it without being ganked by those who enjoy ruining other people's game experience? Those who only want to go ratting with their corporate friends, those who only want to mine, produce and enjoy the rich virtual economy? What can we do? Well, I have several options. First, implement a toggle for corporations if they want to participate in wars or not. Not any specific war, but war in general. Or, second, have CONCORD attack any faction that opens fire in high sec space. That would be realistic in their terms of keeping the peace. That would give non-pvp members of a corp a safe little zone for them to mine and rat in relative peace. Make it that a warring faction can, however, attack them in .5 and .6 space. Just not above. Or, make declaring war a LOT more expensive to keep corporations, who's sole intent is to grief other players, from happily destroying all the small corporations. If someone truly wants pvp, they will go to low sec, where it belongs. Thanks for reading my two cents on the subject. this and this. don't like it? this. an image is worth 1000 words. Crumplecorm's sigs are worth 1000 replies. --- planetary interaction idea!
Nicho Void Hyper-Nova Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:16:00 - [12] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Bishop Stewart This is my first posting in this forum. And it is a rant. Good start, eh? So. Corporations are no longer capable of using this "exploit" to counter cyberbullies who's only joy it is to grief other players ingame. Now some are probably already screaming. But it is, by all definitions, cyberbullying. They declare war on a smaller, newer corp. Knowing full well that the members of said corp are ill equipped for pvp, maybe even completely inexperienced at it. Then they demand money for the aggression to cease. Sound familiar? Many have probably seen or experienced something similar on a school playground. How many players are now going to quit this wonderful game because they can no longer enjoy it without being ganked by those who enjoy ruining other people's game experience? Those who only want to go ratting with their corporate friends, those who only want to mine, produce and enjoy the rich virtual economy? What can we do? Well, I have several options. First, implement a toggle for corporations if they want to participate in wars or not. Not any specific war, but war in general. Or, second, have CONCORD attack any faction that opens fire in high sec space. That would be realistic in their terms of keeping the peace. That would give non-pvp members of a corp a safe little zone for them to mine and rat in relative peace. Make it that a warring faction can, however, attack them in .5 and .6 space. Just not above. Or, make declaring war a LOT more expensive to keep corporations, who's sole intent is to grief other players, from happily destroying all the small corporations. If someone truly wants pvp, they will go to low sec, where it belongs. Thanks for reading my two cents on the subject. this and this. don't like it? this. an image is worth 1000 words. Crumplecorm's sigs are worth 1000 replies. /end
Haradgrim The Wild Bunch INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Minerva Vulcan Originally by: Bishop Stewart How many players are now going to quit this wonderful game because they can no longer enjoy it without being ganked by those who enjoy ruining other people's game experience? Those who only want to go ratting with their corporate friends, those who only want to mine, produce and enjoy the rich virtual economy? Wait wait wait... Have you ever even played EVE? QFT If it takes exploiting game mechanics for you to "enjoy" a game then perhaps you should find a different recreational pursuit. As for the change, I agree with it one hundred percent. Wars are specifically in the game so that no one is immune to pvp combat and everyone must be responsible for their corp members actions. If you don't like getting war dec'd than either find a way to not ** people off, be more clandestine with your isk making efforts, or whatever else you need to do to not incur the wrath of those who would war on you.... don't like it? EVE is not the game for you. Ironically; my corp escaped a grief type war (another corp didn't like us making isk in "their space (high sec of course)") when we joined our alliance (which we were already in the process of joining and are still members of). Originally by:** CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Vincenzo Delloro Amarr Lux et Veritas	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:18:00 - [14] I'm tempted to wardec the OP just for the hell of it. /kidding //I couldn't wardec a marmot
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:18:00 - [15] Look i know it sux to be wardeclared by some alt pvp corp who are more experienced at pvp and can easily afford the losses if they have any at all cuz there mains are rich 0.0 industrial carebears, but thats just how it is in eve. Take the involuntary pvp bit away from eve and u end up with WoW in space CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Maltitol Gallente Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:26:00 - [16] give it up. you want to carebear, stay in an npc corp.. eve is PVP. Welcome! Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well boohoo
Sixtina KL The Shoop Group	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:27:00 - [17] Ooooh, CCP dropped da hammah! Cry moar, emo kids! __________________________________
Kretin JuBa Corp	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:41:00 - [18] You could always join the alliance and stay in it until the war is over, the exploit is joining then leaving the alliance immediately to lose the war-dec. Try joining an alliance and staying in it, nothing has been said saying once the war is over with the alliance that you have to stay in it. Fine, you wont like the fact that you no longer have a carebear get out of war free card, but atleast you would have people willing to fight along side you until it is over.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:41:00 - [19] Originally by: Bishop Stewart How many players are now going to quit this wonderful game because they can no longer enjoy it without being ganked by those who enjoy ruining other people's game experience? Those who only want to go ratting with their corporate friends, those who only want to mine, produce and enjoy the rich virtual economy? If there's one thing Eve has proved time and time again, it's that for every weepy carebear that quits after being ganked, three badass griefers step up to take his place. Quit if you want to, but rest assured you will not be missed as long as this game's population continues to grow. Why not use your masterful command of that rich Eve economy to hire some mercenaries to defend you? Recirculate some of your carebear earnings into that economy instead of sitting on your hoard like a frightened hen.
Haks'he Lirky Dominion Imperium	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:43:00 - [20] what game are you playing? Kittie online is thataway ->>
Cailais Amarr VITOC	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Originally by: Bishop Stewart How many players are now going to quit this wonderful game because they can no longer enjoy it without being ganked by those who enjoy ruining other people's game experience? Those who only want to go ratting with their corporate friends, those who only want to mine, produce and enjoy the rich virtual economy? If there's one thing Eve has proved time and time again, it's that for every weepy carebear that quits after being ganked, three badass griefers step up to take his place. Quit if you want to, but rest assured you will not be missed as long as this game's population continues to grow. Why not use your masterful command of that rich Eve economy to hire some mercenaries to defend you? Recirculate some of your carebear earnings into that economy instead of sitting on your hoard like a frightened hen. This. C. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:47:00 - [22] Originally by: Haks'he Lirky what game are you playing? Kittie online is thataway ->> It's "Hello Kitty Island Adventure", you ***** muggle. EVE RELATED CONTENT**
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:48:00 - [23] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu If there's one thing Eve has proved time and time again, it's that for every weepy carebear that quits after being ganked, three badass griefers step up to take his place. - DesuSigs
Nicho Void Hyper-Nova Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:48:00 - [24] Originally by: SoftRevolution Originally by: Haks'he Lirky what game are you playing? Kittie online is thataway ->> It's "Hello Kitty Island Adventure", you ******* muggle. So much win in one sentence.
yosef kaldhu Genesis Trade And Industry Foundation	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:51:00 - [25] Edited by: yosef kaldhu on 10/01/2008 18:54:16 --censored--
Aceoil Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:52:00 - [26] Edited by: Aceoil on 10/01/2008 18:52:40 http://eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=3_1&page=3 Quote: With the procedural stuff out of the way, there are other issues here as well. An unfortunately large number of people who responded to this issue justified iMuneÆs behavior by talking about how Empire based noobs were being griefed by war decs; helpless carebears were being war decÆd, not because they could provide a good fight but because they could be extorted for protection money. The horror. The horror! No, waità the other thing. The way the game was designed. Yep, CCP designed the game so that there was no ôsafe spaceö, 1.0 means nothing if someone has declared war on you. And the war dec system doesnÆt care how many pilots you have, how many your target has, if thereÆs anything to loot or if they can put up a good fight. Piracy, charging protection money and, hell, even hunting other players because youÆre bored? All of those are part and parcel of playing the game.
Spoon Thumb Paladin Imperium	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:59:00 - [27] Edited by: Spoon Thumb on 10/01/2008 19:03:17 Originally by: Bishop Stewart How many players are now going to quit this wonderful game because they can no longer enjoy it without being ganked by those who enjoy ruining other people's game experience? Those who only want to go ratting with their corporate friends, those who only want to mine, produce and enjoy the rich virtual economy? Quite aside from the usual whining, I think you'll find that eve NPC's are about as bland and boring as they come. Go play Tabula Rasa, it might not have the player driven economy but for pve it is a darn sight more interesting and nice to look at Edit: Also hire mercs. You have to imagine Eve is like Iraq or Afganistan, some parts richer and safer some parts not so. But you need security if you're going to build powerplants and schools and hospitals etc or build any sort of business for that matter Khaldari khanidpublic: RP channel for Kingdom loyalists Recruiting
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.10 19:01:00 - [28] Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 10/01/2008 19:02:18 I'm not surprised they officially proclaimed you can't do this, it did nastily work around the existing corp warfare rules. I only don't like HOW it was done and no clarification. IE-Is dropping after 24 hrs still "cheating"? What about 48 hrs? We need clarification to a hasty GM response in a bad forum post... The only thing I can't understand is why they would label this "cheating" while not considering it an exploit or "cheating" to shoot someone's drone every 14 minutes to keep the aggro-timer reset. Especially since the person being kept in an aggro'd state doesn't get the timer saying they are...... Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
Theo Samaritan Gallente Pheonix Reborn	Posted - 2008.01.10 19:01:00 - [29] Well if we must bring up the tribune... Cough Cough, OP -------------- Templars do not tank Jita so well without a steady supply of Cake.
Daphne Oboe	Posted - 2008.01.10 19:02:00 - [30] I'm thinking the OP is a troll post. Just seems a bit on the obvious side.... Possibly a brand new player; in which case I'd advise not continuing with your subscription - this clearly isn't your kind of game (and there's nothing wrong with that).

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