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Dahin
Maza Nostra
oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2008.01.12 08:36:00 -
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There was no point going to the premium graphics anyway.
Why fly covops? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0WOIwlXE9g |
James Duar
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.12 08:41:00 -
[62]
BSOD crashes made enhanced graphics pointless.
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Paulo Damarr
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Posted - 2008.01.12 08:46:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Paulo Damarr on 12/01/2008 08:48:48
 Originally by: MysticNZ
Edited by: MysticNZ on 12/01/2008 08:34:03
Edited by: MysticNZ on 12/01/2008 08:33:39
Those running premium with two clients running fine, what settings have you got?
I have a 4200x2, 4gb mem, vista64, 8800gt and 1 is fine as, 2 and the game grinds to a halt.
I can force 12xaa on one client no problems (110 fps,in station, 70 in space), two clients with no aa the comp ****s a brick :S
Im running a 5000+ X2, MSI K9N Ultra (nForce 570) 4x 1GB of Corsair DDR-800 (@775MHz due to cpu clock) Nvidia 7900GS 512MB, Hitachi 7200rpm 16mb Cache SATA II HD, and Creative SB X-treme, OS is Vista home premium, My system is well cooled with 2x 140mm fans front and rear with 2x 120mm side ducts.
With HDR off Shadows on normal and cache set to extreme (uses about 1GB per client) it can run 2 clients with 4x AA very smoothly except sometimes for crowded gates, single client runs fine. I really dont know what the problem is for some people my systems getting old now but it cuts the mustard yet it struggles with Crysis it must be some weird driver and setup conflicts people are getting.
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MysticNZ
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2008.01.12 09:10:00 -
[64]
Interesting... Also failed to mention, using latest beta drivers... any word from ccp?
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Tzar'rim
Minmatar
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.01.12 09:26:00 -
[65]
I just switched back, not because of performance reasons but because my map kept bugging (staying black or grey at times, especially when you REALLY can't use it).
I must say, some of the newer models are worse than the old ones we were used to.
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BOX 7149
Minmatar
Marquie-X Corp
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.12 10:23:00 -
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Edited by: BOX 7149 on 12/01/2008 10:23:20
i switched back to old graphics, because i am often in big gangs or fleet, where you get a lagfest. even if my pc is able to handle it. i am not willing to sacrifice even 0.1 secs for dumb graphics.
i dont care about graphics. gamemechanics FTW!
Keine Aussicht auf Erfolg? Den Tod als Gewissheit? Worauf warten wir noch?
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Guilliman R
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.01.12 10:31:00 -
[67]
not worth buying two accounts until the economy is fixed in eve (*cough* mineral-tech1-mining*cough*).
so i keep premium graphics, they're pretty.
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Cadiz
Caldari
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2008.01.12 10:50:00 -
[68]
Premium client keeps giving me blue.dll crashes around stations & stargates, and I have given up on trying voodoo rituals of tweaking random & esoteric audo-visual settings in vain attempts to fix this. Classic client does not give me this problem. Therefore, classic client wins.
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Guilliman R
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.01.12 10:54:00 -
[69]
hehe, the classic eve cursed with my sound drivers, causing me to bluescreen in every mission. Never gotten fixed :( works with premium tho.
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:15:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 12/01/2008 11:19:13
I've got a 3.01 GHz AMD Athlon X2 Dual Core processor. I've got 4 GB of RAM (XP only leaves about 3 GB free for use). I've got two 320 MB NVidia 8800 GTS cards, connected via SLI bridge. The drivers are up to date as of a week ago.
My DirectX is updated to the latest version.
I'm using Premium Trinity graphics, with shadows set to normal, bloom set to max, resolution set to 1400 x 1050, audio hardware accel. turned off, cache set to low (I purge it regularly), and color depth / present interval / all that other miscellaneous stuff set to the best setting.
I disabled Data Execution Protection for the EVE client. I only ever run Firefox, EFT, and EVEMon in the background (all other applications and unneeded processes are closed), and I don't run more than one client at a time, at least not yet (when I do, I'll use my girlfriend's PC, a Macintosh she barely ever uses).
And yet, despite this, I still get some "lag" in busy scenes. Lots of asteroids and enemies in a deadspace pocket means my FPS drops from 140 (where it usually is) to 20-25. Heck, even in systems with just a few people fighting outside a station and 30 people in local, I get a FPS hit.
My computer can run BioShock with every setting cranked up to the absolute maximum, with a constant frame rate of 50-60 FPS.
This "lag" is a stability and optimization issue, and I really think CCP needs to get it fixed ASAP.
EDIT: Forgot to add, I have a liquid cooling system, plus two fans, and it's winter here, so the house stays at 65 degrees F.
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lofty29
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:20:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Sojuro Ryosaki
Originally by: ARGH69
i hate it when people confuse lag with low fps due to graphics power!
Well, unfortunantly that's what causes most lag, a poor graphics card. The other part is just a bad system. Then it would be poor internet connection.
Uhm. Lag is short for Latency, which is;
"In a network, latency, a synonym for delay, is an expression of how much time it takes for a packet of data to get from one designated point to another."
That has nothing to do with FPS...at all.
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Edu Journeyman
Caldari
BRAZUCAS S.A.
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:38:00 -
[72]
FPS drops (huge) in multiple accounts made me switch back to classic.
Still waiting for some fix, since this issue is well known by the Dev team, as you can see here.
"When running multiple Premium clients on the same machine you might experience a severe drop in FPS for both clients, compared to running a single Premium client."
Be your journeys long and prosperous.
Treat the others as you like to be treated.
Rude and fool are enemies. |
Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:41:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Andrue on 12/01/2008 11:42:51
I have no problems most of the time (AMD64x2 4000+; NVidia 7900GS) but I have noticed that cloud affects drop the framerate quite dramatically. I typically run between 50fps and 120fps but cloud effects can drop me down below 20fs.
What's more intriguing is that the UI becomes quite sluggish which is odd. Even the mouse cursor becomes laggy. Still playable but it really hurts the machine until I swing the camera view away.
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Lord Zoran
Caldari
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:58:00 -
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tried premium, looked at my ships and cried, then switched back to premium
Yarr!?!?!?!?! |
Admiral IceBlock
Caldari
Northern Intelligence
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:19:00 -
[75]
I have Intel Core Duo E6750, GeForce 8600 GLH and 2 GB ram and I use CLASSIC because I think it's more smoother and better for fleet combat. I can run PREMIUM fine if I want to but I prefer not.
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Shismo
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:29:00 -
[76]
Premium ships are too shiny
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Admiral IceBlock
Caldari
Northern Intelligence
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:29:00 -
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We have different kinds of "LAG" in EVE:
1) When the client is fed with a lot of data it freezes because of "block code", the client can't multithread incoming data, so it can't work on several stuff at the same time, so it halts the client down.
2) When the client is fed with a lot of items on screen it slows down because of poor graphic processing. We can see this by how some effects combined with others bring the client on its knees.
3) Server lag.
and last we have
4) Normal network latency.
Ever noticed how some systems make your client freeze for a couple of sec every 20 sec? Very annoying.
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:41:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 12/01/2008 12:41:16
Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
Ever noticed how some systems make your client freeze for a couple of sec every 20 sec? Very annoying.
Turning off Data Execution Protection for EVE totally fixed this problem for me, haven't had any of it in the two weeks since.
Link to Forum Thread
Explanation is somewhere in that thread, worked for me.
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vinnymcg
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:45:00 -
[79]
I can easily run the new graphics but i spend alot of time a pos's which on the new graphics cause massive lag, so i switched back.
If your wondering my pc specs are as follows.
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ 3.0GHz (water cooled 3.2GHz)
Club3D GeForce 8800GTS 640MB GDDR3
Western Digital Caviar SE16 500GB SATA2 16MB 7200RPM
Western Digital Caviar SE16 160GB SATA2 8MB 7200RPM
Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe, nForce 590 SLI
A-DATA DDR2 PC6400 4096MB CL5
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Wild Rho
Amarr
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:58:00 -
[80]
My current system:
Intel Core2 Duo X6800
2GB Ram PC6400C4 800MHz DDR2
GeForce 8800GTX
With two clients on seperate HDDs and set to use local settings only (/end /LUA:OFF added to each shortcuts target path).
So far I've been pleasantly surprised to find the premium graphics work perfectly on both accounts with a nice smooth FPS (I run them with HDR disabled and Shadows on Normal. Cache size is set to high.
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Nadjar
Vendetta Underground
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Posted - 2008.01.12 14:34:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Nadjar on 12/01/2008 14:34:57
Is this forum full of idiots or people who dont read the entire thread. DOWNSIZE YOUR CACHE!!!
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Miss Sativa
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Posted - 2008.01.12 14:46:00 -
[82]
Just picked up a 7950 gs for like ú55, runs premium content fine and dandy.
I don't know how people with better system specs than me manage to have issues tbh 
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Mannakin
Caldari
Mercurialis Inc.
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.12 14:56:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Mannakin on 12/01/2008 14:57:20
I can run 2 premium clients on my main PC dual-core and 8800GTS, but its not particularly stable. It's fine running one.
My laptop is dual-core, 2Gb mem, Ati mobility X1400 (which should support premium). I have to run classic on this machine as the premium doesn't work. However if I run two classic, I start to get graphics glitches that require me to end both sessions.
I've seen various post where people tweak this and change that and download nHancer and change the profile, BUT the client should work straight out of the box without all this messing around.
Oh btw, I usually run on low or no cache.
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Ovno ConSyquence
Amarr
Free Mercenaries Union
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2008.01.12 15:14:00 -
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I've had no problems with premium, even for 2 accounts, i do have to turn shadows and hdr off for fleet combat though.
Got classic installed just in case premium ends up being too laggy for pvp ever.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Magners Marauders
VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.12 15:39:00 -
[85]
EVE has premium graphics? 
I think serverside lag is bad enough as it is so i'll stick with classic.
CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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JADE DRAG0NESS
Dark Scorpions
Fate Weavers
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Posted - 2008.01.12 15:45:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Gar'vak Torin
^ ^ ^ This man is an advertisement for birth control, TBH.
Gar'vak, some people have jobs and stuff and aren't living in their momma's basement where they get free rent. There are these evil things called BILLS and EMERGENCIES that tend to take up your available funds. I've been trying to put together a new computer for 8 months now, but every time I get close to having the cash, RL smokes me with the need for truck repairs or the like.
Cry me a river loser.
What an ass***e
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
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DaveW
Caldari
South Park Development
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Posted - 2008.01.12 15:46:00 -
[87]
I'm here for the game, not the graphics. But, I'm glad there was an update for the people who like that sort of thing. It looks like Win-Win to me.
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Culdees
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Posted - 2008.01.12 15:48:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Victor Ivanov
I used premium the first few weeks when it came out. It worked quite nicely, no lag, looks beautiful etc.
However, ever since the first Trinity patch, I have been getting the oddest glitches, from the entire station interior breaking down into tiny triangles, to my ship being elongated into infinity when undocked and flying around, and a whole bunch of other graphical glitches.
Seeing as how I can't think of anything that I could have done to cause this (Same old stable graphics drivers, no windows updates, no new programs installed.. In fact, I've done very little with my comp lately.. O_o), I've decided to switch back to Classic for now. :)
That, and fleet fights are absolutely horrid with premium. Anything over 100 people in local, and the entire thing just becomes a slide show as if I was running EvE on a pentium I. O_o
your video card is about to die. if it is still under warranty, it would be a good idea to check the heat levels when eve premium is running.
eve premium is probably THE best way to stress test a system these days.. it will send your video card to a hell it never knew existed. and if your card is not ready for it ie good heatsink/clean vents, then it will fry.
if your psu is not up to powering it, then you may get one or more of many other things such as-
blue screen, hard lock, reset itself, quit out of the program, give you graphical errors such as artifacts (from an overheating video card), over heat your mainboard chipset and so on.
ccp wanted all our cpu, now they have all our cpu AND gpu madly doing things that dont need to be done.
oh and btw the classic version of eve probably shows no problem for you because it doesnt drive the video card very hard at all. the cpu yes, card no. premium is both.
best way to test is download either rivatuner or atitool and check the gpu temperature under load. eg atitool has a scan for articacts button, press it and see if any appear. if they do, you have problems, if they dont, then check your psu.
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Lewis Atreides
Caldari
House Atreides trade
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Posted - 2008.01.12 15:59:00 -
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while I have not been in any fleet battles I have had no lag with premium and I have ran both of my accounts at once ( I really can't wait till I can afford another monitor ). I run classic on my wifes laptop, but her's can barely handle eve to begine with, it frezzes up after a couple of minutes.
SLI tech FTW!!!! I run two gforce 7600GT cards on mine, maybe it is the duel-core processor that helps.
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Ashley Dinova
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Posted - 2008.01.12 16:16:00 -
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I did switch back a good hour ago.
Not because my PC can't handle the Premium settings,
but because some of the sounds are not working correctly.
Ship Engine sound doesn't work, turret sound does not work, target sound does not work
and the pheew sound a stargate makes, does not work.
So I was forced to disable the Premium Content, and now everything works again.
A real shame because Premium sure does look awsome :(
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