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Mr Saito	Posted - 2008.01.11 17:32:00 - [1] I did. Even though my PC supports the premium graphics it just didn't run right and lagged a lot.
Agor Dirdonen	Posted - 2008.01.11 18:32:00 - [2] Same here... my system can run one client but not two smoothly so I switched back.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.01.11 18:34:00 - [3] Same here, I'm always using 2 accounts and even with 1 premium + 1 classic it's just slows down my computer too much. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Westly Synpa GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.11 18:37:00 - [4] yea the premium lasted about 10 minutes because when you try to run 2 or more accounts it lags like a mother and you can't fleet combat in it at all.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.01.11 18:38:00 - [5] I can dual account fine with premium, so I haven't used classic since. - DesuSigs
Kurtis Lowe	Posted - 2008.01.11 18:39:00 - [6] i run amd x2 3800 w/ 4GB DDR 400 and eVGA 7800GTX and I still run classic. Much faster for fleet work. Guess it comes down to preference, 1. Stunning graphics w/ slideshow PVP or 2. EvE classic.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.01.11 18:39:00 - [7] Originally by: Crumplecorn I can dual account fine with premium, so I haven't used classic since. this. pink supporter! Future art director at CCP! or texture guy, either or :P http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Drop Was in class with these folks :P
ARGH69	Posted - 2008.01.11 18:44:00 - [8] i hate it when people confuse lag with low fps due to graphics power!
Sojuro Ryosaki Gallente Renegade Technologies Safe And Fun Environment	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:26:00 - [9] Originally by: ARGH69 i hate it when people confuse lag with low fps due to graphics power! Well, unfortunantly that's what causes most lag, a poor graphics card. The other part is just a bad system. Then it would be poor internet connection. --
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:28:00 - [10] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Crumplecorn I can dual account fine with premium, so I haven't used classic since. this. This again. ----------------------------------------------- My new years resolution is to give up nonconstructive posting
Kaian Voskhod	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:29:00 - [11] Originally by: ARGH69 i hate it when people confuse lag with low fps due to graphics power! +1 answer: classic
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:31:00 - [12] I run Premium all the time, and couldn't stand having to use Classic all the time. That said, once I get it installed, I plan to run my alt on Classic anyway to minimise any negative effects. If my computer can't run that properly then I'm going to be ****ed considering what's in it --- MOZO
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:35:00 - [13] Originally by: Mr Saito I did. Even though my PC supports the premium graphics it just didn't run right and lagged a lot. So what you're saying is that your computer doesn't support it. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Abyssal Angel Caldari Solar Wind STELLAR LEGION	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:50:00 - [14] I switched too, on both a laptop and a desktop PC. Botrh of which can run premium, but the FPS just went out the window and the game was ugly and laggy. Shame. I know that the forums only represent a certain amount of the chacters ingame, however I feel that they can be a tool to measure success in an implementation such as Trinity. The reason why forums can be thought to represent a bigger amount of ingame characters than what is actually logged at browsing them, is due to alts, and multiple accounts with multiple alts. For instance: If I'm logged at being one user out of 300k out of the game as a whole, this would be an inaccurate count, as I make use of more than 1 account and alts on all accounts, so rather I should count for 12 in total :) The point of this? That CCP, hopefully, has a tool to measure ingame usage of premium graphics content on characters and thus has an accurate count. If not, I'm abit disappointed, but then CCP can use the forums to gauge the effects. A 50 page thread, with 1 post per paying customer, not account, nor character would serve to hammer a point through: Trinity is all glitter and glammer, but we miss the performance (my own opinion). FixedYay! have a cookie - Deckard Originally by: CCP PrismX My name is Prism X and I support this message.
Aceoil Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:55:00 - [15] I switched, even though my GFX card can handle the premium. I cannot run two clients at once with the premium. So I switched back.
Lt Angus Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:56:00 - [16] me Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Tzar'rim Minmatar Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.01.11 19:57:00 - [17] Since I have a really nice comp I can run 3 accounts on premium just fine, thing is that I sometiems get the black/grey map thingy, and it almost cost me a ship already, so I might try out the classic lcient to see if that solves the problem. And yes I have the latest drivers and all.
Oku Kee'lus	Posted - 2008.01.11 20:02:00 - [18] 1 Premium and 1 Classic. My system CAN run 2 Premium clients fine because I've done it on occasion, but it's fishy. Most of the time when I start a second Premium clients it's choppy from the log-in screen all the way into the game. A few times tho, it's just fine and dandy and I get +80FSP running 2 premium clients. It's weird but so are most of the Trinity bugs.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.01.11 20:04:00 - [19] My card supports Premium but there's really no reason at all to use it aside from the REALLY PRETTY STATIONS... I switched after getting annoyed with the some of the more irritating "known issues" such as the strobing text in space (which was just downright nauseating).
Flamewave Contempt.	Posted - 2008.01.11 20:08:00 - [20] I've only got one account and I run Premium just fine so I haven't needed to switch back yet. :D __________
Kessiaan	Posted - 2008.01.11 20:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Crumplecorn I can dual account fine with premium, so I haven't used classic since. Same. ----- My in Eve Profile My BattleClinic Page
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.01.11 20:13:00 - [22] I could run 2 Premium clients just fine. Unfortunately my client crashes at about every second gate I warp to, which is kind of annoying and made me switch back :/ Now recruiting!
Ter Fordal	Posted - 2008.01.11 20:14:00 - [23] Originally by: ARGH69 i hate it when people confuse lag with low fps due to graphics power! I hear you but EVE seems to really struggle with some pretty basic graphics. Eves graphics stutter worse than nearly any other game I have played. The solar system map is ridiculous considering it is pretty much just static content.
Ryushe M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.01.11 20:14:00 - [24] I've switched back to classic on my desktop as well, after having random crashes in EVE for no apparent reason. I bugreported it, gave them logserver output, windows even viewer error messages, complete system information for hardware/software (even including what other software I have/had running at the time), a 'mostly happens when I do this' even though it could happen when not even doing anything at all. The bugreport stayed open for a few days, I had a dev on IRC even display interest and promising to look into it '.. as this is a very odd failure', but a few days later the report was simply closed with a 'not enough information' message My card is more than up to the task of Premium, seeing as it's an 8800GT 512mb. Even running EVE over two monitors still gives me pretty decent FPS in Premium. But the crashes at the most inconvenient times is something I can't play with. I wish I could run Premium all the time though, it's pretty enough for for it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Character Showroom Forum Thread
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.01.11 20:18:00 - [25] I feel the need to qualify my previous statement further by pointing out that since trinity both the premium and classic graphics cause BSoDs on my main gaming machine, making the game basically unplayable for me anyway. But dual-clienting when the client doesn't *****my OS is totally possible. - DesuSigs
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.11 20:21:00 - [26] Originally by: Paulo Damarr Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Crumplecorn I can dual account fine with premium, so I haven't used classic since. this. This again. More of this. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Salliene Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.01.11 20:22:00 - [27] Off the shelf Acer Dual Core 2.4GHZ system running Vista (ugh), some crappy 128MB video card, and Trinity graphics work fine for me.
McAltyalty	Posted - 2008.01.11 20:29:00 - [28] Q6600 8800 gtx 4 gigs of ram Vista I run 2 premium clients with everything full except shadows, which is on the second option.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.01.11 21:10:00 - [29] Originally by: Ter Fordal Originally by: ARGH69 i hate it when people confuse lag with low fps due to graphics power! I hear you but EVE seems to really struggle with some pretty basic graphics. Eves graphics stutter worse than nearly any other game I have played. The solar system map is ridiculous considering it is pretty much just static content. I've never seen stutter in eve. check your CPU and GPU heat. add a fan if you need it. pink supporter! Future art director at CCP! or texture guy, either or :P http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Drop Was in class with these folks :P
Spigoe Celestial Frontier Inc Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2008.01.11 21:45:00 - [30] Originally by: Cypherous Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Paulo Damarr Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Crumplecorn I can dual account fine with premium, so I haven't used classic since. this. This again. More of this. Even more of this Another one of this.
Mica Swanhaven	Posted - 2008.01.11 21:56:00 - [31] Originally by: Spigoe Originally by: Cypherous Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Paulo Damarr Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Crumplecorn I can dual account fine with premium, so I haven't used classic since. this. This again. More of this. Even more of this Another one of this. no issue here.
RiotRick Black-Sun Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.01.11 22:01:00 - [32] My Desktop AMD X2 5000+, 2GB, 8600GT 512MB, Vista 32bit is running premium client just fine. On my laptop Intel T7250, 2GB, X1350 128MB, Vista 32bit I am running classic. Premium is too much for that graphics card.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.11 22:02:00 - [33] mmm i cant properly run a single client with premium... it will run... and i might be able to see something other than a slideshow sometimes. disclaimer: Nothing i say, do, think, or once have said, done, nor thought about can be held against me
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.11 22:03:00 - [34] I did. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Odewad Gallente Breadmen Make Better Luvers	Posted - 2008.01.11 22:13:00 - [35] The eye candy was nice until I started running my second account as well.... fps hit the skids and I switched back.
Nadjer Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.01.11 22:14:00 - [36] Edited by: Nadjer on 11/01/2008 22:16:44 If you are having trouble running more than 1 client in trinity set you cache to low or even off in the ingame gfx options. edit: Also have a look at your overall memory usage ctrl+alt+del processes and make sure something else running on your pc isnt hogging memory.
SPIONKOP Caldari Fire Suppression	Posted - 2008.01.11 22:29:00 - [37] Installed it, lost my Boot.ini, rebuilt boot.ini, waited for patch to see if performance improved, turned it off and went back to classic. It looked nice but was not practical. --------------------------------------------- Space For Rent. 100mil ISK/Week.
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.01.11 22:35:00 - [38] It crashes fairly regularly, I don't have a problem with the classic client. My machine is more than powerful enough to run 1 instance of the premium client (hell, it could run 2) but nothing makes the crashing worth it. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.01.11 22:37:00 - [39] Originally by: Crumplecorn I can dual account fine with premium, so I haven't used classic since. nods Originally by: Richard Phallus Come live with the common idiot, it's more fun down here. I did and got banned.
Ralara	Posted - 2008.01.11 22:40:00 - [40] Classic. 1gb of RAM, 256mb X1600 graphics card... still was a bit rubbish in the FPS department, although admittedly I didn't fiddle with the settings. Went back to classic within 10 minutes. I don't care much for graphics, it's the gameplay I enjoy :)
Selene Le'Cotiere Amarr I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2008.01.11 22:53:00 - [41] Originally by: Paulo Damarr Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Crumplecorn I can dual account fine with premium, so I haven't used classic since. this. This again. And... THIS... yet again. _________ "Some would call me a Demon. Others, a Vampire. But if the truth be told... I'm a daughter of the moon and a Goddess among men."
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2008.01.11 22:59:00 - [42] Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 11/01/2008 23:00:46 Most of my problems with the premium stuff went away when I changed the default 'high' cache settings to low. With high it did a lot of HD access (guess 1 gig isn't enough RAM for it) which caused bad stuttering, and dual clienting was almost impossible. With low cache, it runs almost like classic, just very slightly sluggish at times with dual accounts. This is on an X2 3800 box with a 7600GT card. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.01.11 23:00:00 - [43] Having gone through another hellish ordeal of driver installations and uninstallations in another attempt to stop EVE from BSoDing, I have learned one lesson which may be helpful for those of you having trouble with premium. If you have an nVidia graphics card, don't use any 169 series drivers. Just don't. Don't. Seriously though. Don't. - DesuSigs
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2008.01.11 23:02:00 - [44] Do not pyramid quote - Mitnal ======================== Q6600,8800 Ultra SLI, Vista 32, 4Gig RAM , G15 , TripleHead2Go, Raptor X
Victor Ivanov Minmatar The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.11 23:56:00 - [45] I used premium the first few weeks when it came out. It worked quite nicely, no lag, looks beautiful etc. However, ever since the first Trinity patch, I have been getting the oddest glitches, from the entire station interior breaking down into tiny triangles, to my ship being elongated into infinity when undocked and flying around, and a whole bunch of other graphical glitches. Seeing as how I can't think of anything that I could have done to cause this (Same old stable graphics drivers, no windows updates, no new programs installed.. In fact, I've done very little with my comp lately.. O_o), I've decided to switch back to Classic for now. :) That, and fleet fights are absolutely horrid with premium. Anything over 100 people in local, and the entire thing just becomes a slide show as if I was running EvE on a pentium I. O_o ----------------------
Princess Xenia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.01.12 00:21:00 - [46] i... becasue running 2 clients at premium suxzor lag
Lucipher03	Posted - 2008.01.12 00:33:00 - [47] My rig runs premium just fine. x1900 e6400 2gigs ocz vista
Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2008.01.12 01:06:00 - [48] 1 Premium account after all the suggested fps optimisation runs fine for me and my computer is horribly outdated. _
Xavia Cameron Caldari Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.12 01:43:00 - [49] Edited by: Xavia Cameron on 12/01/2008 01:44:11 I did... It seems when you have a gfx card on its last legs (7300 GT) and are running two 1240x1028 monitors it can't quite take it. Well, premium + old graphics card + Stupid resolution = Odd burning smell. Also, Aussie summers are no good for computers =/ -- Fix Clone Vat Bays Fix Local
Big Al The Aftermath	Posted - 2008.01.12 01:46:00 - [50] Running 2 clients on premium is pretty choppy, 3 is impossible. Back to classic for me.
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.12 01:51:00 - [51] Edited by: Wrayeth on 12/01/2008 01:51:27 My system's fairly old, but works better with premium than with classic. I do only have one account, though. Athlon 64 3200+ 2GB RAM nVidia 7600GS 512MB -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.12 01:53:00 - [52] Originally by: Xavia Cameron Also, Aussie summers are no good for computers =/ Air conditioning ftw, TBH. <---- Phoenix, Arizona, USA -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:01:00 - [53] I did when they chickened out on the Sacre Bleu, no need to stick with the fancy after that. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Gar'vak Torin	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:03:00 - [54] Lol , only losers run with the old graphics , get out yo mommas basement and get a job , i hear mcdonalds are always recruting save up for a few years and pay for a new puter111??1!
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:11:00 - [55] Edited by: Wrayeth on 12/01/2008 02:11:10 Originally by: Gar'vak Torin Lol , only losers run with the old graphics , get out yo mommas basement and get a job , i hear mcdonalds are always recruting save up for a few years and pay for a new puter111??1! ^ ^ ^ This man is an advertisement for birth control, TBH. Gar'vak, some people have jobs and stuff and aren't living in their momma's basement where they get free rent. There are these evil things called BILLS and EMERGENCIES that tend to take up your available funds. I've been trying to put together a new computer for 8 months now, but every time I get close to having the cash RL smokes me with the need for truck repairs or the like. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Gar'vak Torin	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:12:00 - [56] ^ ^ ^ This man is an advertisement for birth control, TBH. Gar'vak, some people have jobs and stuff and aren't living in their momma's basement where they get free rent. There are these evil things called BILLS and EMERGENCIES that tend to take up your available funds. I've been trying to put together a new computer for 8 months now, but every time I get close to having the cash, RL smokes me with the need for truck repairs or the like. Cry me a river loser.
Grayclay Caldari Imperium Technologies	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:23:00 - [57] Originally by: Sojuro Ryosaki Originally by: ARGH69 i hate it when people confuse lag with low fps due to graphics power! Well, unfortunantly that's what causes most lag, a poor graphics card. The other part is just a bad system. Then it would be poor internet connection. There are two types of lag: Video and Network. A bad video card doesn't mean bad net lag, and vice versa. Don't confuse bad FPS with bad internet connection.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.01.12 02:24:00 - [58] Originally by: Gar'vak Torin ^ ^ ^ This man is an advertisement for birth control, TBH. Gar'vak, some people have jobs and stuff and aren't living in their momma's basement where they get free rent. There are these evil things called BILLS and EMERGENCIES that tend to take up your available funds. I've been trying to put together a new computer for 8 months now, but every time I get close to having the cash, RL smokes me with the need for truck repairs or the like. Cry me a river loser. Go back to WoW kiddo. Seriously, go buy some more gold and erect a statue of yourself in pure gold sporting said erection. I opted out of premium graphics 'cause gallente ships now look like ****, not because my machine couldn't handle it. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
DroneBay Diva The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.12 08:04:00 - [59] Edited by: DroneBay Diva on 12/01/2008 08:04:01 I managed to hold out for a month before finally switching back to classic. Is it weird that I miss my flaming-gy teal Dominix? _____________________________________________________________________________ Proud to be a Nano-fg
MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.01.12 08:31:00 - [60] Edited by: MysticNZ on 12/01/2008 08:34:03 Edited by: MysticNZ on 12/01/2008 08:33:39 Those running premium with two clients running fine, what settings have you got? I have a 4200x2, 4gb mem, vista64, 8800gt and 1 is fine as, 2 and the game grinds to a halt. I can force 12xaa on one client no problems (110 fps,in station, 70 in space), two clients with no aa the comp ****s a brick :S
Dahin Maza Nostra oooh Shiny	Posted - 2008.01.12 08:36:00 - [61] There was no point going to the premium graphics anyway. Why fly covops? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0WOIwlXE9g
James Duar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.12 08:41:00 - [62] BSOD crashes made enhanced graphics pointless.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2008.01.12 08:46:00 - [63] Edited by: Paulo Damarr on 12/01/2008 08:48:48 Originally by: MysticNZ Edited by: MysticNZ on 12/01/2008 08:34:03 Edited by: MysticNZ on 12/01/2008 08:33:39 Those running premium with two clients running fine, what settings have you got? I have a 4200x2, 4gb mem, vista64, 8800gt and 1 is fine as, 2 and the game grinds to a halt. I can force 12xaa on one client no problems (110 fps,in station, 70 in space), two clients with no aa the comp ****s a brick :S Im running a 5000+ X2, MSI K9N Ultra (nForce 570) 4x 1GB of Corsair DDR-800 (@775MHz due to cpu clock) Nvidia 7900GS 512MB, Hitachi 7200rpm 16mb Cache SATA II HD, and Creative SB X-treme, OS is Vista home premium, My system is well cooled with 2x 140mm fans front and rear with 2x 120mm side ducts. With HDR off Shadows on normal and cache set to extreme (uses about 1GB per client) it can run 2 clients with 4x AA very smoothly except sometimes for crowded gates, single client runs fine. I really dont know what the problem is for some people my systems getting old now but it cuts the mustard yet it struggles with Crysis it must be some weird driver and setup conflicts people are getting. ----------------------------------------------- My new years resolution is to give up nonconstructive posting
MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.01.12 09:10:00 - [64] Interesting... Also failed to mention, using latest beta drivers... any word from ccp?
Tzar'rim Minmatar Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.01.12 09:26:00 - [65] I just switched back, not because of performance reasons but because my map kept bugging (staying black or grey at times, especially when you REALLY can't use it). I must say, some of the newer models are worse than the old ones we were used to.
BOX 7149 Minmatar Marquie-X Corp Majesta Empire	Posted - 2008.01.12 10:23:00 - [66] Edited by: BOX 7149 on 12/01/2008 10:23:20 i switched back to old graphics, because i am often in big gangs or fleet, where you get a lagfest. even if my pc is able to handle it. i am not willing to sacrifice even 0.1 secs for dumb graphics. i dont care about graphics. gamemechanics FTW! Keine Aussicht auf Erfolg? Den Tod als Gewissheit? Worauf warten wir noch?
Guilliman R Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.01.12 10:31:00 - [67] not worth buying two accounts until the economy is fixed in eve (cough mineral-tech1-miningcough). so i keep premium graphics, they're pretty. ---sig---
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2008.01.12 10:50:00 - [68] Premium client keeps giving me blue.dll crashes around stations & stargates, and I have given up on trying voodoo rituals of tweaking random & esoteric audo-visual settings in vain attempts to fix this. Classic client does not give me this problem. Therefore, classic client wins. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
Guilliman R Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.01.12 10:54:00 - [69] hehe, the classic eve cursed with my sound drivers, causing me to bluescreen in every mission. Never gotten fixed :( works with premium tho. ---sig---
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.12 11:15:00 - [70] Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 12/01/2008 11:19:13 I've got a 3.01 GHz AMD Athlon X2 Dual Core processor. I've got 4 GB of RAM (XP only leaves about 3 GB free for use). I've got two 320 MB NVidia 8800 GTS cards, connected via SLI bridge. The drivers are up to date as of a week ago. My DirectX is updated to the latest version. I'm using Premium Trinity graphics, with shadows set to normal, bloom set to max, resolution set to 1400 x 1050, audio hardware accel. turned off, cache set to low (I purge it regularly), and color depth / present interval / all that other miscellaneous stuff set to the best setting. I disabled Data Execution Protection for the EVE client. I only ever run Firefox, EFT, and EVEMon in the background (all other applications and unneeded processes are closed), and I don't run more than one client at a time, at least not yet (when I do, I'll use my girlfriend's PC, a Macintosh she barely ever uses). And yet, despite this, I still get some "lag" in busy scenes. Lots of asteroids and enemies in a deadspace pocket means my FPS drops from 140 (where it usually is) to 20-25. Heck, even in systems with just a few people fighting outside a station and 30 people in local, I get a FPS hit. My computer can run BioShock with every setting cranked up to the absolute maximum, with a constant frame rate of 50-60 FPS. This "lag" is a stability and optimization issue, and I really think CCP needs to get it fixed ASAP. EDIT: Forgot to add, I have a liquid cooling system, plus two fans, and it's winter here, so the house stays at 65 degrees F.
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.12 11:20:00 - [71] Originally by: Sojuro Ryosaki Originally by: ARGH69 i hate it when people confuse lag with low fps due to graphics power! Well, unfortunantly that's what causes most lag, a poor graphics card. The other part is just a bad system. Then it would be poor internet connection. Uhm. Lag is short for Latency, which is; "In a network, latency, a synonym for delay, is an expression of how much time it takes for a packet of data to get from one designated point to another." That has nothing to do with FPS...at all. 族---族 Latest Video : FAT- Camp
Edu Journeyman Caldari BRAZUCAS S.A.	Posted - 2008.01.12 11:38:00 - [72] FPS drops (huge) in multiple accounts made me switch back to classic. Still waiting for some fix, since this issue is well known by the Dev team, as you can see here. "When running multiple Premium clients on the same machine you might experience a severe drop in FPS for both clients, compared to running a single Premium client." Be your journeys long and prosperous. Treat the others as you like to be treated. Rude and fool are enemies.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.12 11:41:00 - [73] Edited by: Andrue on 12/01/2008 11:42:51 I have no problems most of the time (AMD64x2 4000+; NVidia 7900GS) but I have noticed that cloud affects drop the framerate quite dramatically. I typically run between 50fps and 120fps but cloud effects can drop me down below 20fs. What's more intriguing is that the UI becomes quite sluggish which is odd. Even the mouse cursor becomes laggy. Still playable but it really hurts the machine until I swing the camera view away. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Lord Zoran Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2008.01.12 11:58:00 - [74] tried premium, looked at my ships and cried, then switched back to premium Yarr!?!?!?!?!
Admiral IceBlock Caldari Northern Intelligence The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.01.12 12:19:00 - [75] I have Intel Core Duo E6750, GeForce 8600 GLH and 2 GB ram and I use CLASSIC because I think it's more smoother and better for fleet combat. I can run PREMIUM fine if I want to but I prefer not.
Shismo	Posted - 2008.01.12 12:29:00 - [76] Premium ships are too shiny
Admiral IceBlock Caldari Northern Intelligence The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.01.12 12:29:00 - [77] We have different kinds of "LAG" in EVE: 1) When the client is fed with a lot of data it freezes because of "block code", the client can't multithread incoming data, so it can't work on several stuff at the same time, so it halts the client down. 2) When the client is fed with a lot of items on screen it slows down because of poor graphic processing. We can see this by how some effects combined with others bring the client on its knees. 3) Server lag. and last we have 4) Normal network latency. Ever noticed how some systems make your client freeze for a couple of sec every 20 sec? Very annoying.
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.12 12:41:00 - [78] Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 12/01/2008 12:41:16 Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Ever noticed how some systems make your client freeze for a couple of sec every 20 sec? Very annoying. Turning off Data Execution Protection for EVE totally fixed this problem for me, haven't had any of it in the two weeks since. Link to Forum Thread Explanation is somewhere in that thread, worked for me.
vinnymcg eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.12 12:45:00 - [79] I can easily run the new graphics but i spend alot of time a pos's which on the new graphics cause massive lag, so i switched back. If your wondering my pc specs are as follows. AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ 3.0GHz (water cooled 3.2GHz) Club3D GeForce 8800GTS 640MB GDDR3 Western Digital Caviar SE16 500GB SATA2 16MB 7200RPM Western Digital Caviar SE16 160GB SATA2 8MB 7200RPM Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe, nForce 590 SLI A-DATA DDR2 PC6400 4096MB CL5 Quickbar tread
Wild Rho Amarr GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.01.12 12:58:00 - [80] My current system: Intel Core2 Duo X6800 2GB Ram PC6400C4 800MHz DDR2 GeForce 8800GTX With two clients on seperate HDDs and set to use local settings only (/end /LUA:OFF added to each shortcuts target path). So far I've been pleasantly surprised to find the premium graphics work perfectly on both accounts with a nice smooth FPS (I run them with HDR disabled and Shadows on Normal. Cache size is set to high.
Nadjar Vendetta Underground	Posted - 2008.01.12 14:34:00 - [81] Edited by: Nadjar on 12/01/2008 14:34:57 Is this forum full of idiots or people who dont read the entire thread. DOWNSIZE YOUR CACHE!!! _____________ No sig here, move along.
Miss Sativa	Posted - 2008.01.12 14:46:00 - [82] Just picked up a 7950 gs for like ú55, runs premium content fine and dandy. I don't know how people with better system specs than me manage to have issues tbh
Mannakin Caldari Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.12 14:56:00 - [83] Edited by: Mannakin on 12/01/2008 14:57:20 I can run 2 premium clients on my main PC dual-core and 8800GTS, but its not particularly stable. It's fine running one. My laptop is dual-core, 2Gb mem, Ati mobility X1400 (which should support premium). I have to run classic on this machine as the premium doesn't work. However if I run two classic, I start to get graphics glitches that require me to end both sessions. I've seen various post where people tweak this and change that and download nHancer and change the profile, BUT the client should work straight out of the box without all this messing around. Oh btw, I usually run on low or no cache.
Ovno ConSyquence Amarr Free Mercenaries Union FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2008.01.12 15:14:00 - [84] I've had no problems with premium, even for 2 accounts, i do have to turn shadows and hdr off for fleet combat though. Got classic installed just in case premium ends up being too laggy for pvp ever.
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.12 15:39:00 - [85] EVE has premium graphics? I think serverside lag is bad enough as it is so i'll stick with classic. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
JADE DRAG0NESS Dark Scorpions Fate Weavers	Posted - 2008.01.12 15:45:00 - [86] Originally by: Gar'vak Torin ^ ^ ^ This man is an advertisement for birth control, TBH. Gar'vak, some people have jobs and stuff and aren't living in their momma's basement where they get free rent. There are these evil things called BILLS and EMERGENCIES that tend to take up your available funds. I've been trying to put together a new computer for 8 months now, but every time I get close to having the cash, RL smokes me with the need for truck repairs or the like. Cry me a river loser. What an ass***e "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
DaveW Caldari South Park Development	Posted - 2008.01.12 15:46:00 - [87] I'm here for the game, not the graphics. But, I'm glad there was an update for the people who like that sort of thing. It looks like Win-Win to me. --------------------------------------------------- "If you can't stand the heat..., stay out of the Kitchen."
Culdees	Posted - 2008.01.12 15:48:00 - [88] Originally by: Victor Ivanov I used premium the first few weeks when it came out. It worked quite nicely, no lag, looks beautiful etc. However, ever since the first Trinity patch, I have been getting the oddest glitches, from the entire station interior breaking down into tiny triangles, to my ship being elongated into infinity when undocked and flying around, and a whole bunch of other graphical glitches. Seeing as how I can't think of anything that I could have done to cause this (Same old stable graphics drivers, no windows updates, no new programs installed.. In fact, I've done very little with my comp lately.. O_o), I've decided to switch back to Classic for now. :) That, and fleet fights are absolutely horrid with premium. Anything over 100 people in local, and the entire thing just becomes a slide show as if I was running EvE on a pentium I. O_o your video card is about to die. if it is still under warranty, it would be a good idea to check the heat levels when eve premium is running. eve premium is probably THE best way to stress test a system these days.. it will send your video card to a hell it never knew existed. and if your card is not ready for it ie good heatsink/clean vents, then it will fry. if your psu is not up to powering it, then you may get one or more of many other things such as- blue screen, hard lock, reset itself, quit out of the program, give you graphical errors such as artifacts (from an overheating video card), over heat your mainboard chipset and so on. ccp wanted all our cpu, now they have all our cpu AND gpu madly doing things that dont need to be done. oh and btw the classic version of eve probably shows no problem for you because it doesnt drive the video card very hard at all. the cpu yes, card no. premium is both. best way to test is download either rivatuner or atitool and check the gpu temperature under load. eg atitool has a scan for articacts button, press it and see if any appear. if they do, you have problems, if they dont, then check your psu.
Lewis Atreides Caldari House Atreides trade	Posted - 2008.01.12 15:59:00 - [89] while I have not been in any fleet battles I have had no lag with premium and I have ran both of my accounts at once ( I really can't wait till I can afford another monitor). I run classic on my wifes laptop, but her's can barely handle eve to begine with, it frezzes up after a couple of minutes. SLI tech FTW!!!! I run two gforce 7600GT cards on mine, maybe it is the duel-core processor that helps. ----------------------** While blood, carnage, and distruction may be my "happy place" that is nothing like the feeling I get while hauling 2 mill isk in goods thru low sec.
Ashley Dinova	Posted - 2008.01.12 16:16:00 - [90] I did switch back a good hour ago. Not because my PC can't handle the Premium settings, but because some of the sounds are not working correctly. Ship Engine sound doesn't work, turret sound does not work, target sound does not work and the pheew sound a stargate makes, does not work. So I was forced to disable the Premium Content, and now everything works again. A real shame because Premium sure does look awsome :(
AK Archangel Warhamsters Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.12 16:34:00 - [91] I rarery use premium ... most time classic
Sprobe Panta-Rhei Phoenix Allianz	Posted - 2008.01.12 18:20:00 - [92] I did. It was annoying. Whenever I cam out of warp and clicked on the Stargate for the right-click menu button 'jump', the client crashed. It still does. So I play CLASSIC.
ExcellciuM Exair Holding Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.12 19:44:00 - [93] Originally by: Crumplecorn I can dual account fine with premium, so I haven't used classic since. Eve Launcher FTW. Tho 3 accounts has some adverse affects...
Jawas Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.13 03:16:00 - [94] Switched back due to lag, especially when coming out of warp at a gate. TBH, the graphics are sweet but without pre-loading while in warp, they suck. Not a problem with internet since Eve runs fine with classic but maybe slightly underpowered graphics card 7800 GTI and CPU AMD 3200+ dual core. Either way, pre-loading during warp or prior to jumps would be an advantage to reduce lag for anyone. This is especially true for jumping into gatecamps, pre-loading before a jump would reduce the lag and give the player jumping a reasonable chance. An "ack" from the PC to let the server know that it has completed loading and the server can then update to other players would even the odds so that gatecamps could not use lag as a weapon. A pause with the message "Preparing to jump..." rather than just jumping and then loading when you get there. If this was introduced, I'm sure more would switch back to premium graphics. -- Sig design in training: Remaining time 30 years 20 days, 4 hours, 10 mins, 15 seconds.
astowv Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.13 11:21:00 - [95] I get about 12-15 fps, and im running the following system: Pentium D 3.4 Ghz on a ASUS motherboard, 800Mhz FSB 4 GB Dual chan 800Mhz DDR2 memory. 4x 250GB SATA2 in double RAID0 Geforce 8800GTS 640MB WTF ? ----
astowv Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.13 11:22:00 - [96] Originally by: Ashley Dinova I did switch back a good hour ago. Not because my PC can't handle the Premium settings, but because some of the sounds are not working correctly. Ship Engine sound doesn't work, turret sound does not work, target sound does not work and the pheew sound a stargate makes, does not work. So I was forced to disable the Premium Content, and now everything works again. A real shame because Premium sure does look awsome :( EvE has SOUND ?!?! ----
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2008.01.13 11:24:00 - [97] Originally by: astowv I get about 12-15 fps, and im running the following system: Pentium D 3.4 Ghz on a ASUS motherboard, 800Mhz FSB 4 GB Dual chan 800Mhz DDR2 memory. 4x 250GB SATA2 in double RAID0 Geforce 8800GTS 640MB WTF ? Get out of Jita - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
astowv Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.13 11:29:00 - [98] Originally by: Frug Originally by: astowv I get about 12-15 fps, and im running the following system: Pentium D 3.4 Ghz on a ASUS motherboard, 800Mhz FSB 4 GB Dual chan 800Mhz DDR2 memory. 4x 250GB SATA2 in double RAID0 Geforce 8800GTS 640MB WTF ? Get out of Jita This was in MP5-KS, so, thats apar from 2-3 jumps as far from jita as physically possible ----
Ashley Dinova	Posted - 2008.01.13 11:32:00 - [99] Originally by: astowv Originally by: Ashley Dinova I did switch back a good hour ago. Not because my PC can't handle the Premium settings, but because some of the sounds are not working correctly. Ship Engine sound doesn't work, turret sound does not work, target sound does not work and the pheew sound a stargate makes, does not work. So I was forced to disable the Premium Content, and now everything works again. A real shame because Premium sure does look awsome :( EvE has SOUND ?!?! Yes it has, or it used to
Rhaegor Stormborn Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.01.13 11:40:00 - [100] Originally by: Crumplecorn I can dual account fine with premium, so I haven't used classic since. Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - The Volition Cult
Kransthow AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.01.13 11:50:00 - [101] I use premium \o/
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2008.01.13 11:51:00 - [102] PvE = Premium PvP = Classic - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online
Cockroach Amarr Kinetic Vector Ka-Tet	Posted - 2008.01.13 11:52:00 - [103] Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari PvE = Premium PvP = Classic ditto 'Have we sent the 'dont shoot us we're pathetic' transmission yet?'
Pyr3x Gallente TiS Industries	Posted - 2008.01.13 12:02:00 - [104] I prefer the new client but then again it does not seem to lag much for me... I am using two NVIDIA 8800 GTX's in SLI and it seems to run and be considerably stable. Are you guys with game lag and other related issues to the "high-end" client using cards similar to my own?
Thenoran Caldari Frontier Economics Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.01.13 12:21:00 - [105] Originally by: Ryushe I've switched back to classic on my desktop as well, after having random crashes in EVE for no apparent reason. I bugreported it, gave them logserver output, windows even viewer error messages, complete system information for hardware/software (even including what other software I have/had running at the time), a 'mostly happens when I do this' even though it could happen when not even doing anything at all. The bugreport stayed open for a few days, I had a dev on IRC even display interest and promising to look into it '.. as this is a very odd failure', but a few days later the report was simply closed with a 'not enough information' message My card is more than up to the task of Premium, seeing as it's an 8800GT 512mb. Even running EVE over two monitors still gives me pretty decent FPS in Premium. But the crashes at the most inconvenient times is something I can't play with. I wish I could run Premium all the time though, it's pretty enough for for it. Same, I can run Premium just fine but its too unstable to play properly.
Liathus Firebane Gallente Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.13 16:05:00 - [106] Premium runs fine on my laptop with 2 clients (x1400 mobile radeon), Though it ran like crap until i upgraded my ram to 2GB.
Troye Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.01.13 16:07:00 - [107] Classic for me aswel, I might switch to premium when they update the planets and celestial objects, untill then trinity just seems to unstable. I also run 2 accounts aswel. Originally by: GM Nova What the hell???
Boomershoot Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2008.01.13 16:09:00 - [108] i use it when i mine, so i can lag and go at 1.2 fps, but at least my ship isn't that ugly :P that's because my GeForce 6200 hates me :( ___________________________________________________________ For all your Jita Problems, click here
Scorp Gallente RONA Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.13 16:32:00 - [109] Im running both, 1 premium at 3200x1200 and 2 classics at 1024x 768 runs like a dream. Linkeh Pooh

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