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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4714
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Posted - 2013.11.21 00:58:00 -
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Thank you, 15 x PLEX @601M from Raw23.
Now I am going to bed. See you later. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
160
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Posted - 2013.11.21 12:11:00 -
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Vahrokha, I think what you are doing is GREAT and I would like to make it perfectly clear that I trust your efforts 100%. However, there are two issues that bother me. It is not my intention to get into an argument in this post, so IGÇÖll make my observations and leave it to that.
I understand that some people cannot afford to purchase a PLEX, so donating items and small amounts of ISK (less than a PLEX) to your cause makes perfect sense and itGÇÖs an excellent idea to get everyone involve. What I donGÇÖt understand is why are you collecting PLEXs? ShouldnGÇÖt people send the PLEX directly to ccp?
My second point is a bit more sensitive, so I do expect most people will get very defensive. There is certain individual that less than 15 days ago claimed to be broke, had no ISK, and requested a 30 B ISK bond. The same individual has now donated you 24.124 B ISK. Since you have potential audit privileges with this individual, I suggest you use it.
Good luck with your efforts.
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Nanatoa
464
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Posted - 2013.11.21 12:31:00 -
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Block Ukx wrote:The same individual has now donated you 24.124 B ISK.
I know you carry a grudge and that limits your capabilty to think, but you do understand the concept of selling stuff right? Like widgets being exchanged for money. Selling stuff is not donating. For instance, my 20 widgets @ 600M are NOT a 12B donation. They're a 12B transaction; the donation is the difference between 12B and what I could've gotten (12.2B perhaps, so a 200M donation). "Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
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RAW23
510
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Posted - 2013.11.21 12:37:00 -
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Block Ukx wrote:
My second point is a bit more sensitive, so I do expect most people will get very defensive. There is certain individual that less than 15 days ago claimed to be broke, had no ISK, and requested a 30 B ISK bond. The same individual has now donated you 24.124 B ISK. Since you have potential audit privileges with this individual, I suggest you use it.
Block - I know you have trouble with reading comprehension but have another look at the posts and you'll see you are flat wrong (again).
a) I have donated 60bil.
b) The PLEXes I contracted were not donations.
Do you seriously not read anything properly? There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |

Rykker Bow
137
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Posted - 2013.11.21 12:57:00 -
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Block, you have become quite the troll. Gò»-¦Gûí-¦n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
Regardless, VV thank you once again for making this happen! |

Samroski
Games Inc. The Night Crew Alliance
330
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Posted - 2013.11.21 13:23:00 -
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Am really happy that CCP have opened this drive :)
I've liquidated assets for the VAERT sister fund that I run (CSGAMEZCF013) and am glad to report that I ended up a little more that the estimated NAV of 6,398,465,434.57 and managed to get 12 PLEXes (at around 605m each). Will donate to CCP later today and post the evidence here.
In the meantime I am also auctioning off a T2 BPO for charity. The auction will run till Dec. 1. I would be grateful for your interest and/or a friendly bump. Any colour you like. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4716
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Posted - 2013.11.21 15:26:00 -
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Block Ukx wrote:Vahrokha, I think what you are doing is GREAT and I would like to make it perfectly clear that I trust your efforts 100%. However, there are two issues that bother me. It is not my intention to get into an argument in this post, so IGÇÖll make my observations and leave it to that.
I understand that some people cannot afford to purchase a PLEX, so donating items and small amounts of ISK (less than a PLEX) to your cause makes perfect sense and itGÇÖs an excellent idea to get everyone involve. What I donGÇÖt understand is why are you collecting PLEXs? ShouldnGÇÖt people send the PLEX directly to ccp?
They could and should. This charity however exists to gather stuff outside of CCP's charity drives, when people cannot send anything to them. Then when a charity starts I have to convert ISK in PLEXes and send them to CCP.
But "converting ISK in PLEX" is not as easy as snapping two fingers. I have to buy a lot of them (and thus risk paying a lot of overprice) and also suffer from PLEX big buy - sell spread.
What those people have done in this last day or two, has been to use their maxed trading skills and Jita standings to buy PLEX on my behalf and then turning them to me at rebate prices. Better to shave a PLEX off NPC fees for a Philippino child than paying NPCs, right?  That is, I am paying those PLEXes, they are not sending them as gift. Therefore, since I am paying them with money coming out of VAERT, VAERT has the right to hold those PLEXes.
Block Ukx wrote: My second point is a bit more sensitive, so I do expect most people will get very defensive. There is certain individual that less than 15 days ago claimed to be broke, had no ISK, and requested a 30 B ISK bond. The same individual has now donated you 24.124 B ISK. Since you have potential audit privileges with this individual, I suggest you use it.
Good luck with your efforts.
The second point does not belong to this thread and should be talked about in another place. Only thing I will say is this: I have no auditing "rights" on anybody. Usually my customers give keys with expiration date, it'd be pointless to keep them, and also a rude act on their privacy. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
222
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Posted - 2013.11.21 15:30:00 -
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VV, it looks like CCP is offering in-game garb (t-shirts) to the people that donate PLEX to the "CCP PLEX for Good" character, so I would expect that your character will be getting a pile of them SoonGäó.
Your decision at this point is whether to distribute (or *attempt* to distribute) them back to the givers, or perhaps to liquidate those shirts on the market to leverage more ISK for the charity. Please let us know what you think should be done.
MDD |

RAW23
514
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Posted - 2013.11.21 15:36:00 -
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Last 10 plex are up at 601 for you VV. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |

Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
278
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Posted - 2013.11.21 19:41:00 -
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VV, are you all fixed for PLEX now? |
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
593
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Posted - 2013.11.21 20:37:00 -
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Block Ukx wrote:
My second point is a bit more sensitive, so I do expect most people will get very defensive. There is certain individual that less than 15 days ago claimed to be broke, had no ISK, and requested a 30 B ISK bond. The same individual has now donated you 24.124 B ISK. Since you have potential audit privileges with this individual, I suggest you use it.
Good luck with your efforts.
Block.....you are better than failing at reading, right? 
"15 x PLEX @601M from Raw23." != Donations.
If so, then the person I buy my market stuff off is donating it to me, so I get 100% profit, right?  |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4716
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Posted - 2013.11.21 20:40:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:Last 10 plex are up at 601 for you VV.
Received 10 x PLEX @601M from RAW23
I think I have as many as possible now. Thank you a lot for your effort! I know how painful can be to station trade PLEXes. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4716
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Posted - 2013.11.21 20:41:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:VV, are you all fixed for PLEX now?
At the moment I think VAERT owes me a large amount of billions.
VAERT could use some ISK donations! Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4716
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Posted - 2013.11.21 23:12:00 -
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Thanks to MailDeadDrop for the second ISK donation!
2013-11-21: 1,250,000,000 | Cash | Donor name: MailDeadDrop Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4716
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Posted - 2013.11.21 23:15:00 -
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MailDeadDrop wrote:VV, it looks like CCP is offering in-game garb (t-shirts) to the people that donate PLEX to the "CCP PLEX for Good" character, so I would expect that your character will be getting a pile of them SoonGäó.
Your decision at this point is whether to distribute (or *attempt* to distribute) them back to the givers, or perhaps to liquidate those shirts on the market to leverage more ISK for the charity. Please let us know what you think should be done.
MDD
I really don't care to keep t-shirts, the Donors who want to get them have just to EvE mail me about that, citing a reference to the date and amount of the donation. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4716
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Posted - 2013.11.21 23:51:00 -
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Update to the current assets allocated by VAERT
The following screenshot shows both the current PLEXes split in the stacks sizes the individual Donors sent them in.
Screenshot.
Number of PLEXes currently in the hangar: 137 for an equivalent RL cash value of $2055
Current unspent liquid ISK: 10,578,190,935.50 ISK Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4716
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Posted - 2013.11.21 23:59:00 -
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An official statement for CCP
In case I am unable to play (i.e. because I died in RL) and won't be able to send VAERT assets and ISK by the ultimate end of the CCP PLEX for Philippines charity initiative, I hereby authorize and encourage CCP to automatically confiscate both VAERT's assets and its CEO Ishkahunta assets. Those assets shall be exclusively converted and used to send funds to the chosen Philippines charity. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4716
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Posted - 2013.11.22 00:09:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:VV, are you all fixed for PLEX now?
Looking at the report above, you see there's still some liquid ISK to convert into PLEX.
If you'd like to send PLEX, please:
1) Send them priced ranging from Jita IV CNAP buy orders to (price to lowest sell + highest bid) / 2.
2) Send them with a character that has not been involved in a scam. Since this RL initiative is about RL matters, I am separating a "space pixels thief avatar" from the RL person who is bound to act honorably in this matter. However, the actual interactions would happen in game, I can't put a scam alt anywhere near VAERT. I hope you'll understand that. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Nanatoa
466
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Posted - 2013.11.22 00:36:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:2) Send them with a character that has not been involved in a scam. Since this RL initiative is about RL matters, I am separating a "space pixels thief avatar" from the RL person who is bound to act honorably in this matter. However, the actual interactions would happen in game, I can't put a scam alt anywhere near VAERT. I hope you'll understand that.
Interesting to see that you value the appearance of being clean more than honest bookkeeping. If Bad Bobby wants to sell you PLEX surely it doesn't matter what character he uses for the sale? Any of his characters would be "involved in a scam" as laundering the proceeds is as much part of a scam as is gaining the proceeds in the first place. "Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
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X ATM092
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
123
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Posted - 2013.11.22 02:47:00 -
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Nanatoa wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:2) Send them with a character that has not been involved in a scam. Since this RL initiative is about RL matters, I am separating a "space pixels thief avatar" from the RL person who is bound to act honorably in this matter. However, the actual interactions would happen in game, I can't put a scam alt anywhere near VAERT. I hope you'll understand that. Interesting to see that you value the appearance of being clean more than honest bookkeeping. If Bad Bobby wants to sell you PLEX surely it doesn't matter what character he uses for the sale? Any of his characters would be "involved in a scam" as laundering the proceeds is as much part of a scam as is gaining the proceeds in the first place. Not how it works according to CCP. Indeed if you find any of Bad Bobby's alts impersonating Bad Bobby and claiming that they were the person who did the heist then you can petition that. :CCP: |
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
278
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Posted - 2013.11.22 05:36:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:2) Send them with a character that has not been involved in a scam. Since this RL initiative is about RL matters, I am separating a "space pixels thief avatar" from the RL person who is bound to act honorably in this matter. However, the actual interactions would happen in game, I can't put a scam alt anywhere near VAERT. I hope you'll understand that. I'm not sure I have such a character. It might be better if I just steer clear of this. I can just send the PLEX to CCP directly anyway.
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Samroski
Games Inc. The Night Crew Alliance
331
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Posted - 2013.11.22 09:39:00 -
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I've set up a contract for 13 PLEXes on behalf of the CSGAMEZCF013 fund. Managed to squeeze out one more (than 12) PLEX (at 609m) overnight, and the NAV of the fund is now at 29m.
This culminates more than two and a half years of fund maintenance. I started the fund with a capital of 500m. The fund took a hit when the Japan drive was announced soon after the start. Donated one PLEX at the time from the fund, and kept reinvesting the money over the years, using a separate corp wallet division, and trading in just one item (to decrease confusion).
So it is back to square one. Will start the cycle again, and see what this 29m ends up as.
In the meantime I am liquidating my other assets to try and donate as much possible in these 2 weeks. In this context I would be grateful for bumps/bids on my T2 BPO auction for charity. Any colour you like. |

RAW23
522
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Posted - 2013.11.22 09:41:00 -
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Samroski wrote:I've set up a contract for 13 PLEXes on behalf of the CSGAMEZCF013 fund. Managed to squeeze out one more (than 12) PLEX (at 609m) overnight, and the NAV of the fund is now at 29m. This culminates more than two and a half years of fund maintenance. I started the fund with a capital of 500m. The fund took a hit when the Japan drive was announced soon after the start. Donated one PLEX at the time from the fund, and kept reinvesting the money over the years, using a separate corp wallet division, and trading in just one item (to decrease confusion). So it is back to square one. Will start the cycle again, and see what this 29m ends up as. In the meantime I am liquidating my other assets to try and donate as much possible in these 2 weeks. In this context I would be grateful for bumps/bids on my T2 BPO auction for charity.
Grats on the over 1000% increase! Sticking at it for over two years shows incredible fortitude and is very deserving of respect.
Bumpss incoming for the auction thread (also a great idea and very generous). There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |

Samroski
Games Inc. The Night Crew Alliance
331
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:00:00 -
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RAW23 wrote: Bumpss incoming for the auction thread (also a great idea and very generous).
Thanks for the bump!
The idea stemmed from Krashion's post in VV's first (locked) thread about helping Philippines. Looking forward to the bidding. Any colour you like. |

Samroski
Games Inc. The Night Crew Alliance
331
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:10:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:Quote:CCP Bro will also have another Dev Blog lined up for you next Wednesday, November 27th, with more details of a surprise that will hopefully make this the most successful PLEX for GOOD drive to date.  How about a cheap PLEX promotion? e.g. $10 PLEXes for one week.
Should one then wait till 27th before buying more PLEXes for charity, or should one buy immediately? Any colour you like. |

RAW23
523
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Posted - 2013.11.22 17:17:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:2) Send them with a character that has not been involved in a scam. I'm not sure I have such a character.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is dedication.
There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4718
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:16:00 -
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Nanatoa wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:2) Send them with a character that has not been involved in a scam. Since this RL initiative is about RL matters, I am separating a "space pixels thief avatar" from the RL person who is bound to act honorably in this matter. However, the actual interactions would happen in game, I can't put a scam alt anywhere near VAERT. I hope you'll understand that. Interesting to see that you value the appearance of being clean more than honest bookkeeping. If Bad Bobby wants to sell you PLEX surely it doesn't matter what character he uses for the sale? Any of his characters would be "involved in a scam" as laundering the proceeds is as much part of a scam as is gaining the proceeds in the first place.
1) I have no proof to think BB in RL is a scammer. Here we are talking of RL money for a RL cause. I discern game role playing (even RPing the evil guy) vs real life. Therefore I don't have massive issues dealing with RL somebody doing something for a RL cause.
2) However I need to also take into account CCP's stance about scamming in these things, therefore I must stick with as clean characters as possible. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4718
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Posted - 2013.11.22 19:17:00 -
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Samroski wrote:I've set up a contract for 13 PLEXes on behalf of the CSGAMEZCF013 fund. Managed to squeeze out one more (than 12) PLEX (at 609m) overnight, and the NAV of the fund is now at 29m. This culminates more than two and a half years of fund maintenance. I started the fund with a capital of 500m. The fund took a hit when the Japan drive was announced soon after the start. Donated one PLEX at the time from the fund, and kept reinvesting the money over the years, using a separate corp wallet division, and trading in just one item (to decrease confusion). So it is back to square one. Will start the cycle again, and see what this 29m ends up as. In the meantime I am liquidating my other assets to try and donate as much possible in these 2 weeks. In this context I would be grateful for bumps/bids on my T2 BPO auction for charity.
I want to extend my congratulations on the forums (not just in the evemail I sent you).
You endured *years* to arrive to today's goal. Kept me updated all this time and kept growing the Sister Fund.
My deepest respect. /bow Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4720
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:18:00 -
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I have just received two batches of 11 PLEXes at 600M pu.
I could take 1 batch but I need 2.6B more to be able to get the second batch.
If someone has ISK in excess I will gladly get it!  Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Samroski
Games Inc. The Night Crew Alliance
332
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:29:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: I want to extend my congratulations on the forums (not just in the evemail I sent you).
Thank you VV. Maintaining the fund gives meaning to my Eve life, and it is great to have someone to send updates to!
I'm also trying to generate funds by liquidating assets at high prices for charity. Hope it works. Any colour you like. |
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