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Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.01.19 16:06:00 - [61] Originally by: Ogul Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Also another reason to bring back the 15km dash I have a carrier filled with faction loot I jump into lowsec and insta dock in the station then warp my frieghter to the highsec gate risk not much reward Hells yeah (or you could just prevent jump capable ships from carrying top named/faction loot ) Oh my god, why did no one think of that before? You could make BILLIONS. It's not like the hardest part is to get that faction loot in the first place, is it? Change faction loot to moon minerals,minerals, compounds what ever the arguement remains the same a carrier with a cyno and freighter alt can completely circumvent any risk when hauling loot
Kiiikoooloool	Posted - 2008.01.19 16:17:00 - [62] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Also another reason to bring back the 15km dash I have a carrier filled with faction loot I jump into lowsec and insta dock in the station then warp my frieghter to the highsec gate risk not much reward Hells yeah (or you could just prevent jump capable ships from carrying top named/faction loot ) Mhhhhhhh Sir, i have strategy to kill WTZ. Exploit. Remember "IMune" ? Imune killed the wardec avoidance by exploiting it, search for possible WTZ exploit and abuse of it. Then create a topic in this forum to keep people upset, and tadaaa.
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.19 16:20:00 - [63] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Change faction loot to moon minerals,minerals, compounds what ever the arguement remains the same a carrier with a cyno and freighter alt can completely circumvent any risk when hauling loot The argument remains? Did you even check the difference in value of a cargohold full of faction loot compared to one filled with moon minerals? Faction loot gets looted, (moon) minerals get mined, last time I checked ratting and mining ships could be killed and the same goes for POS. But now when these people try to move the goods they earned some way or another to empire and minimize their risk at that point, that's broken game mechanics, right? And the 15km dash would make it all better... --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.01.19 16:30:00 - [64] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 19/01/2008 16:30:13 Originally by: Ogul Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Change faction loot to moon minerals,minerals, compounds what ever the arguement remains the same a carrier with a cyno and freighter alt can completely circumvent any risk when hauling loot The argument remains? Did you even check the difference in value of a cargohold full of faction loot compared to one filled with moon minerals? Faction loot gets looted, (moon) minerals get mined, last time I checked ratting and mining ships could be killed and the same goes for POS. But now when these people try to move the goods they earned some way or another to empire and minimize their risk at that point, that's broken game mechanics, right? And the 15km dash would make it all better... So its perfectly fine that I can cyno into a lowsec - highsec system undock my freighter jump through and go to jita with no problem. So how does that freighter die? Station camp? nope cyno alt knows and sees all :tinfoil: Smart bombs? not enough DPS not to mention cyno alt sees all :tinfoil: You are saying because they loot/mined it they have a right to get it to highsec to be sold or am I misinformed?
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.19 17:15:00 - [65] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin So its perfectly fine that I can cyno into a lowsec - highsec system undock my freighter jump through and go to jita with no problem. So how does that freighter die? Station camp? nope cyno alt knows and sees all :tinfoil: Smart bombs? not enough DPS not to mention cyno alt sees all :tinfoil: You are saying because they loot/mined it they have a right to get it to highsec to be sold or am I misinformed? No I am saying you are wrong to assume that game mechanics should assist you in stealing other people's stuff. Someone can actually move his own stuff and not get killed along the way - what an outrage! You could however bump the freighter off the station and kill it - but demanding the 15km dash back on forums is less effort of course. --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
Kiiikoooloool	Posted - 2008.01.19 17:19:00 - [66] you know, highjer risks to haulers means less items in trade hubs= - higher prices in hubs - less lag in hubs - better population density harmony - better local market
Orion Eridanus Dark Nova Crisis	Posted - 2008.01.19 17:25:00 - [67] LOL, he actually suggested bumping the freighter off of the station, I wonder if he realizes the ridculous docking ranges on some stations Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
Kiiikoooloool	Posted - 2008.01.19 17:28:00 - [68] lol true
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.01.19 18:04:00 - [69] Originally by: Ogul Originally by: Marcus TheMartin So its perfectly fine that I can cyno into a lowsec - highsec system undock my freighter jump through and go to jita with no problem. So how does that freighter die? Station camp? nope cyno alt knows and sees all :tinfoil: Smart bombs? not enough DPS not to mention cyno alt sees all :tinfoil: You are saying because they loot/mined it they have a right to get it to highsec to be sold or am I misinformed? No I am saying you are wrong to assume that game mechanics should assist you in stealing other people's stuff. Someone can actually move his own stuff and not get killed along the way - what an outrage! You could however bump the freighter off the station and kill it - but demanding the 15km dash back on forums is less effort of course. It is quite possible to move things and not die along the way with a scout I can deal with that. My issue remains with cyno to lowsec entry system undock jump out. bumping won't happen unless that is a minmatar station and with the cyno alt/scout a station camp is ineffective.
SirMoric	Posted - 2008.01.19 18:39:00 - [70] One of the most boring things of the game was the tedious last 15 km before docking or jumping. Especially if you had to do if often, as a new player mining in a smaller vessel. I do agree that it seems od you can steal from a can and warp directely to a station and dock without any danger. How about removing the "warp to zero" when you have an agression timer, started by you being a thief? That way you can't just steal, warp out and insta-docking, they have the ability to catch you at the station or gate. May not solve it all, but help against thieves. rgds
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.01.19 18:44:00 - [71] Originally by: SirMoric One of the most boring things of the game was the tedious last 15 km before docking or jumping. Especially if you had to do if often, as a new player mining in a smaller vessel. I do agree that it seems od you can steal from a can and warp directely to a station and dock without any danger. How about removing the "warp to zero" when you have an agression timer, started by you being a thief? That way you can't just steal, warp out and insta-docking, they have the ability to catch you at the station or gate. May not solve it all, but help against thieves. rgds 15km to dock was more boring than mining? DOES NOT COMPUTE
Kiiikoooloool	Posted - 2008.01.19 18:57:00 - [72] eve is not intended to be soloted have a friend or an alt with an indus ship. and yes, it solves the thieve issue bringing moar pvp and fun
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.19 21:27:00 - [73] Originally by: Orion Eridanus LOL, he actually suggested bumping the freighter off of the station, I wonder if he realizes the ridculous docking ranges on some stations I have heard of carriers being killed that way, apparently it works. --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
Kiiikoooloool	Posted - 2008.01.19 21:38:00 - [74] Quote: I have heard of carriers being killed that way, apparently it works. Because the carrier (or the other ship) were fighting ... Gives you more time to bump. A freighter or an indus aren't used to fight...
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.01.20 03:32:00 - [75] Originally by: Ogul Originally by: Orion Eridanus LOL, he actually suggested bumping the freighter off of the station, I wonder if he realizes the ridculous docking ranges on some stations I have heard of carriers being killed that way, apparently it works. I heard that this guy had 3 trillion isk apparently it is money
Destr0math The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.20 05:00:00 - [76] remember when you were banned? equally good times. ---- Today is CATURDAY
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.01.20 07:19:00 - [77] Originally by: Destr0math remember when you were banned? equally good times. Nice to see you too so who ****ed in your cornflakes?
Ilea Celentay Veiled Justice	Posted - 2008.01.20 10:12:00 - [78] Not reading all the three pages, for I expect most of it isn't all that exciting. However, when reading the title I thought more about pirating actions and that 15km average you had to get through to catch the target before he left. 0km to gates is fine. But I mean when you have that flashing red target sighted at a belt, knowing you have some km's to cover to catch him. That wasn't all that bad, was it? Faction Ship Info \|\| Rig Factory
Gallant Nose MAFIA	Posted - 2008.01.20 10:12:00 - [79] Originally by: LittleTerror I hated the idea of warp to 0 at first but now I love it, lets me go anywhere nice and fast, befor it was so sole destroying moving even 20 junps in a battleship... You can still catch people fine on the jump in and even chase them on the other side. This. Get over it Marcus, it's all the past, you're in a time warp
Ja'kar MAFIA	Posted - 2008.01.20 12:20:00 - [80] Edited by: Ja''kar on 20/01/2008 12:22:27
Ja'kar MAFIA	Posted - 2008.01.20 12:22:00 - [81] No I am saying you are wrong to assume that game mechanics should assist you in stealing other people's stuff. Yes - so then wt15 should have been left in then! I think it would have been better to make it wt10 - but no wt0 typical CCP I mean profit moving thou low sec is a dribble all cargo that is moved from .0 to high should move tho low sec - not jumped in low sec and insta docked
Hellspawn666 Minmatar Master Miners	Posted - 2008.01.20 13:10:00 - [82] At first i was in favor of the change in terms of that it would speed up that very boring trek with slower ships and cut out another logistic problem. Also because bookmarks were causing a major issue with lag and i wasnt able to make a safespot on a 120km warp as a result. However, i do kinda miss it now its gon (might not be popular but here me out). It used to be logistically difficult to move fleets around (solo travel fits are somewhat different) as not everyone would have the instants so most of the time it just was warping in at 15km. This gave small fast fleets moving around these massive gank fleets a serious advantage. It also meant that eve seemed kinda bigger because you couldnt travel across it with a massive fleet either. Also i think as it stands the warping between stations or from a POS to a station or SS has next to no risk attached to it as you land well within its sphere. If people landed at 15km again then itd give people more time to hunt them etc and give pirates a chance while there being a point in station rushing without dictors. As such im in favor or it being reintroduced but only if instants are made impossible since i really dont want to go down that road again and i think the people that made em to start with might hang themselves if theyve deleted them.
Mr Jay Pre-nerfed Tactics SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2008.01.20 13:16:00 - [83] Originally by: Gaia Thorn Originally by: Eternal Hatred WTZ is fine, people who hasn't adapted is not fine. Please fix those people CCP Ohh sweet irony someone complaining about adaptation has a whine that amarr sucks in his sig. ----- Originally by: ISD Santiago Cortes Locked GO straight to the hospital, do not pass GO, do not collect $200.
Kiiikoooloool	Posted - 2008.01.20 13:33:00 - [84] WT15 was fun for hunters - No more dock / undock wars - Able to catch indus/freighter undocking (and other fat ass ships) - Eve was bigger: it was more difficult to control your alliance territory - Big BS blobs had a downside. Small ships packs were useful (someone think about assault frigs?) - No need to buble every thing
Ovek Gallente Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.20 15:07:00 - [85] yeh warp to 0 is a killer in empire war.
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.20 15:36:00 - [86] Originally by: Ja'kar I mean profit moving thou low sec is a dribble all cargo that is moved from .0 to high should move tho low sec - not jumped in low sec and insta docked Yea, right. Please change the game so other people have it harder. --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
Weeaboot	Posted - 2008.01.20 15:51:00 - [87] Bring back the dash dammit! I don't care if travel takes longer.
Kiiikoooloool	Posted - 2008.01.20 17:27:00 - [88] Quote: ea, right. Please change the game so other people have it harder. Rolling Eyes Pirate's life are hard enough compared to the other.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.01.20 18:12:00 - [89] Originally by: Ogul Originally by: Ja'kar I mean profit moving thou low sec is a dribble all cargo that is moved from .0 to high should move tho low sec - not jumped in low sec and insta docked Yea, right. Please change the game so other people have it harder. if the 15km dash is back every one has it harder
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.20 20:42:00 - [90] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Ogul Yea, right. Please change the game so other people have it harder. if the 15km dash is back every one has it harder Right. Completely the same for the pirate in his nano-hac and the industrialist in his freighter. --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.

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