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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2008.01.17 14:44:00 -
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Today we used a new system for deploying small scale client patches. As some of you have noticed, there was an issue that testing failed to uncover on the test servers; the file does not download correctly. The patch itself was designed to fix an issue with the keyboard not working on the login screen.
Due to these issues, we will be removing the patch during downtime tomorrow, 18 January. Having the new file will not affect your install once the fix is removed, and you will still be able to log in normally.
To manually patch:
Please note that these are default locations for English Windows installs only. The programmers are currently working on a tool to resolve this problem for those people with non-default/non-English installs. Download the file here.
You will then need to create the following directory, and place the file in that directory. As before, these are default directories, so if you have a custom install this is unlikely to work.
Win XP:
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\CCP\EVE\dd7d3d04d133729bde20677ec76f5d63
Vista
C:\ProgramData\CCP\EVE\dd7d3d04d133729bde20677ec76f5d63
Linux
/home//.cedega/EVE Online/c_drive/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/CCP/EVE/dd7d3d04d133729bde20677ec76f5d63
Mac
/Users//Library/Preferences/Eve Online Preferences/p_drive/All Users/Application Data/CCP/EVE/dd7d3d04d133729bde20677ec76f5d63
We apologize for the inconvenience this patch may have caused you, and we wish to assure everyone that we're working hard to resolve these issues.
Wrangler
Community Manager
CCP Games, EVE Online
Email / Netfang
"The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it." |
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2008.01.17 14:44:00 -
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Today we used a new system for deploying small scale client patches. As some of you have noticed, there was an issue that testing failed to uncover on the test servers; the file does not download correctly. The patch itself was designed to fix an issue with the keyboard not working on the login screen.
Due to these issues, we will be removing the patch during downtime tomorrow, 18 January. Having the new file will not affect your install once the fix is removed, and you will still be able to log in normally.
To manually patch:
Please note that these are default locations for English Windows installs only. The programmers are currently working on a tool to resolve this problem for those people with non-default/non-English installs. Download the file here.
You will then need to create the following directory, and place the file in that directory. As before, these are default directories, so if you have a custom install this is unlikely to work.
Win XP:
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\CCP\EVE\dd7d3d04d133729bde20677ec76f5d63
Vista
C:\ProgramData\CCP\EVE\dd7d3d04d133729bde20677ec76f5d63
Linux
/home//.cedega/EVE Online/c_drive/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/CCP/EVE/dd7d3d04d133729bde20677ec76f5d63
Mac
/Users//Library/Preferences/Eve Online Preferences/p_drive/All Users/Application Data/CCP/EVE/dd7d3d04d133729bde20677ec76f5d63
We apologize for the inconvenience this patch may have caused you, and we wish to assure everyone that we're working hard to resolve these issues.
Wrangler
Community Manager
CCP Games, EVE Online
Email / Netfang
"The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it." |
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Par'Gellen
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.17 14:48:00 -
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Is there any way to get my client to stop restarting and installing the patch each time I log in a new char? This is wierd...
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.01.17 14:51:00 -
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The real question that needs to be answered is why was there no annoucement before this patch occured?
There are vital steps that we the player base needs to take when a patch is about to be deployed. Sadly we were not given that chance. Long skills werent set, backup of eve sys files were not done, extra rations of booze were not stocked.
Once again as seems to be the common case these recently, CCP thought of their current customer base last.
Seriously a piece of software forced down our pipe without consent or foreknowledge borders on malware.
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Vordakr
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Posted - 2008.01.17 14:53:00 -
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Does this mean that if we are using Win2k we are going to have to wait until tomorrow to log in?
Or will those programmers have their fix done - and debugged - sooner than that?
I have attempted to use the XP version listed above but - it does not work with Windows 2K.
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sugark
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2008.01.17 14:53:00 -
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Some sort of solution for the win 2k users that can¦t get the manual patching to work would be neat 
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Blue Moons
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Posted - 2008.01.17 14:56:00 -
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Accidents happen, we all know it. However, Im running on a norwegian version of win2k OS, and none of your manual fixes applies to win2k. Could you please help us win2k users out?
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DevilsEoin
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Posted - 2008.01.17 14:56:00 -
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So Win2k users cant use eve at all until tomorrow?
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Lucas Avidius
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.01.17 14:57:00 -
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Well, I needed to study for a test tomorrow anyway....and since it looks like I cant log this character in until tomorrow, I no longer have any excuse. *grumble*
I'm suddenly very glad I decided to train a 26 hour skill before DT started rather than a 5 hour skill.
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Arachidamia
The Ninja Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.17 14:57:00 -
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So er... yeah. I'd rather not lose an entire days worth of training. Some sort of fix for win2k is kind of needed...
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MrTripps
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.17 14:59:00 -
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Rabble rabble rabble!!!!!!!
I never thought I would say this, but maybe there shouldn't be a bottomless keg next to the CCP water cooler.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S. Thompson. |
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2008.01.17 14:59:00 -
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 Originally by: DevilsEoin
So Win2k users cant use eve at all until tomorrow?
We're working on Win2000 right now and we'll update the news as soon as we can.
Wrangler
Community Manager
CCP Games, EVE Online
Email / Netfang
"The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it." |
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Blank Protection
Caldari
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Blank Protection on 17/01/2008 15:00:50
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Azia Burgi
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:02:00 -
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*coff* patchnotes? *coff*
Azia Burgi
http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk
BP Profit Calculator
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gordon861
Minmatar
PROGENITOR CORPORATION
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
To manually patch:
Please note that these are default locations for English Windows installs only. The programmers are currently working on a tool to resolve this problem for those people with non-default/non-English installs. Download the file here.
You will then need to create the following directory, and place the file in that directory. As before, these are default directories, so if you have a custom install this is unlikely to work.
Win XP:
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\CCP\EVE\dd7d3d04d133729bde20677ec76f5d63
Vista
C:\ProgramData\CCP\EVE\dd7d3d04d133729bde20677ec76f5d63
Linux
/home//.cedega/EVE Online/c_drive/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/CCP/EVE/dd7d3d04d133729bde20677ec76f5d63
Mac
/Users//Library/Preferences/Eve Online Preferences/p_drive/All Users/Application Data/CCP/EVE/dd7d3d04d133729bde20677ec76f5d63
We apologize for the inconvenience this patch may have caused you, and we wish to assure everyone that we're working hard to resolve these issues.
This is great but I expect most people stopped using the standard install locations after the boot.ini screw up. You have dropped the ball again and so soon after the last time you screwed up.
Reading the forums since this came up don't you get the impression that people don't want this system, they like the download a file and install it that they had up until now. At least then you have an idea of what is going on.
Are you now advising your customers that can't get this working to no longer play the game until your programmers fix what they broke or just wait until tomorrows downtime ?
Originally by: CCP Arkanon
I frown on employees being power players to the extent that their gameplay results in any sort of domination over others. I donĘt believe CCP employees should run the EVE universe. |
Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:05:00 -
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Good that the 'autopatch' will be removed!
Why? Because the ability to decline a patch is essential! If for example a patch is bugged (boot.ini, anyone?) then people surely NOT want to install that patch and therefore they need to be able to cancel the installation and wait until things are resolved.
The idea might be appealing to quickly and on-the-fly install patches without needing a 'big' patch but from experience these so called 'quick' patches causes lots of more work in the long run. I hope CCP will think about this.
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Polly Math
Seven.
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:07:00 -
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one problem seems to be that win2k uses some sort of different hash. so its looking for
...\CCP\EVE\6d870f9991fec176dd7d4c8723fcee66\compiled.code
rather then the stated
...\CCP\EVE\dd7d3d04d133729bde20677ec76f5d63\compiled.code
that however seems to be only part of the problem as fixing this doesnt resolve the issue. hope it helps however.
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Bobbism
Caldari
White Nova Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
The real question that needs to be answered is why was there no annoucement before this patch occured?
There are vital steps that we the player base needs to take when a patch is about to be deployed. Sadly we were not given that chance. Long skills werent set, backup of eve sys files were not done, extra rations of booze were not stocked.
Once again as seems to be the common case these recently, CCP thought of their current customer base last.
Seriously a piece of software forced down our pipe without consent or foreknowledge borders on malware.
Did you even care to read what he said? Or just take this change to ***** at them?
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Blue Moons
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:09:00 -
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Do you expect that whining and just stirring up emotions with statements like "Do you advice your players not to play the game untill your programmers can fix it" (I mean, cmon, we CANT play the game no matter what CCP advices us to do) will do any good?
They already said they are working on it, they have provided a short description of what the patch was meant to do (fixing the keyboard error), and how they are working to solve it. Now, I WOULD whine if they did nothing, or gave the impression of doing nothing, but they ARE communicating, so let them work. And keep your emo at home.
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Vahligmarr
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:09:00 -
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this again is using the community for beta-testing without even tell us you are patching... this is a serious communication problem, soory guys, this simply annoys me... wonder why we have a test server at all....
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Bobbism
Caldari
White Nova Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Vahligmarr
this again is using the community for beta-testing without even tell us you are patching... this is a serious communication problem, soory guys, this simply annoys me... wonder why we have a test server at all....
If you think CCP is bad and do not care about their players go play WOW for a year or so and then come back and tell me that
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Vordakr
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: DevilsEoin
So Win2k users cant use eve at all until tomorrow?
We're working on Win2000 right now and we'll update the news as soon as we can.
OK. Thanks for the info.
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DevilsEoin
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Vahligmarr
this again is using the community for beta-testing without even tell us you are patching... this is a serious communication problem, soory guys, this simply annoys me... wonder why we have a test server at all....
The test server failed to uncover this problem.
Eve still doesn't work for me but its a start now that they're working on it.
Just wish i'd started a long skill beforehand cause i'm losing training time here
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Bobbism
Originally by: Treelox
The real question that needs to be answered is why was there no annoucement before this patch occured?
There are vital steps that we the player base needs to take when a patch is about to be deployed. Sadly we were not given that chance. Long skills werent set, backup of eve sys files were not done, extra rations of booze were not stocked.
Once again as seems to be the common case these recently, CCP thought of their current customer base last.
Seriously a piece of software forced down our pipe without consent or foreknowledge borders on malware.
Did you even care to read what he said? Or just take this change to ***** at them?
I did read exactly what he said, and it is a screw up on their part that deserves a bit of *****ing. Why do I think it deserves some *****ing, because in the last few months these sort of silly little errors have become more the norm than the exception. It is a scary trend, a trend I would like to see stopped. Hopefully my *****ing and others *****ing will get CCP to sit up, take notice and change whatever it is in their internal structure that allows these silly little goofs to slip through.
I hope that is good enough reason for you Bobbism, because that is the one I am sticking with.
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amagonsan
Minmatar
Perpetual Reality Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:13:00 -
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Why after 3 hours of the problem is there still NO announcement on the servers MOTD or the Players News Center informing people of this patch? This forum announcement is the only news about the issue, and most people don't read the forum. As a result many will bother your already very hardworking GM staff with questions about the stealth patch that was initiated, even if they don't have a problem with it.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: DevilsEoin
Just wish i'd started a long skill beforehand cause i'm losing training time here
Exactly the point, if patch notes had been published yesterday or the day before, most of us would have set them long skills.
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Vahligmarr
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Vahligmarr on 17/01/2008 15:15:00
Originally by: Bobbism
Originally by: Vahligmarr
this again is using the community for beta-testing without even tell us you are patching... this is a serious communication problem, soory guys, this simply annoys me... wonder why we have a test server at all....
If you think CCP is bad and do not care about their players go play WOW for a year or so and then come back and tell me that
if blizzard does the same, it doesn't change anything... still beta testing...
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Blue Moons
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:16:00 -
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The most obvious part of the forums to stick this thread would be the "known issues and workarounds", which is where I first looked. I also checked the news section to no avail.
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Bobbism
Caldari
White Nova Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Bobbism
Originally by: Treelox
The real question that needs to be answered is why was there no annoucement before this patch occured?
There are vital steps that we the player base needs to take when a patch is about to be deployed. Sadly we were not given that chance. Long skills werent set, backup of eve sys files were not done, extra rations of booze were not stocked.
Once again as seems to be the common case these recently, CCP thought of their current customer base last.
Seriously a piece of software forced down our pipe without consent or foreknowledge borders on malware.
Did you even care to read what he said? Or just take this change to ***** at them?
I did read exactly what he said, and it is a screw up on their part that deserves a bit of *****ing. Why do I think it deserves some *****ing, because in the last few months these sort of silly little errors have become more the norm than the exception. It is a scary trend, a trend I would like to see stopped. Hopefully my *****ing and others *****ing will get CCP to sit up, take notice and change whatever it is in their internal structure that allows these silly little goofs to slip through.
I hope that is good enough reason for you Bobbism, because that is the one I am sticking with.
*****ing does you no good. All it does is **** of the other person who is getting *****ed at. So the point I am trying to make is insteed of whining like a little child, grow up go have a life outside the game for a day (OMG SHOCKER) and then come back the next day. **** happens in game and in real life. Sitting around whining and stopping your feet won't help it any more.
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The Djego
Minmatar
FORTES FORTUNA ADIUVAT CORP.
The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:28:00 -
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I am a bit disapointed.
I have multiply EvE Installs on my PC and I manual Patching for about half of a year or so because the Autopatcher fails to work for me.
So I like to know when a Patch is comming to set on long Skills and get the Patch(also if something goes wrong after the Patch). Im not affected by this one since I have long Skills on my Chars running(switched one 15 Minutes before DT lucky me ) but I bet other People are like me unalble to log in and switching or doing something other in the Game because they are unalbe to patch. Personaly I have no problems myself to take a day off, since everything is set and nothing is require me ingame today but I gess others will have problems with this.
Please anounce any form of patching to give players the chance to prepere herself for this(Skillwise and other reasons ingame).
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Bobbism
*****ing does you no good. All it does is **** of the other person who is getting *****ed at. So the point I am trying to make is insteed of whining like a little child, grow up go have a life outside the game for a day (OMG SHOCKER) and then come back the next day. **** happens in game and in real life. Sitting around whining and stopping your feet won't help it any more.
Actually I am in game, and have no problems what so ever. Things seem fine on my end, unlike countless of my fellow pod pilots.
Yes scat happens, but this and events like this are becoming a disturbing trend. While some of this is to be expected in a publishing house that grows from small time into a major player, as more and more layers of staff occurs. There needs to be an awarness in CCP's management and their customer service people that things are not appearing as cohesive to the outsider as they did say a year ago. More and more it appears to my outsiders view that the poor mouthpieces of CCP, Wrangler and Kieron, are having to be reactionary as opposed to a far better position of proactionary.
I understand these problems in a business setting, myself having been in a company that went for 25 staff to 550staff in 5yrs. It is hard to maintain cohesion when that happens, and not only can internal workings within companies struggle to keep working, but customer bases can be adversely damaged.
So, Bobbism, while you may think that by telling me to quit whining in your fanboi like way is helping today, I think that I am helping CCP aswell, by alerting them that there is a percieved trend of neglect occuring in regards towards premptvie customer relations.
It is said that only 1 in 5 dissatisfied customers will voice their concerns, the rest will just get fed up and move on to a rival business. While this I know holds true in most brick and mortar business, im sure it does have some relevance to MMO's aswell. Would it be fair to CCP that they arent informed that there are disenchanted customers, so that they may take note and try to mend the problem?
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Troye
Gallente
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:32:00 -
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Does CCP ever actualy test their patches anymore?
A warming about an upcoming patch would have been nice. *mumbles something about a days worth of lost training*
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Johnny Ringo
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:35:00 -
[33]
Win 2k user as well. None of the suggested fixes seem to work for win 2k. I'll wait for a solution.
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Bobbism
Caldari
White Nova Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Bobbism
*****ing does you no good. All it does is **** of the other person who is getting *****ed at. So the point I am trying to make is insteed of whining like a little child, grow up go have a life outside the game for a day (OMG SHOCKER) and then come back the next day. **** happens in game and in real life. Sitting around whining and stopping your feet won't help it any more.
Actually I am in game, and have no problems what so ever. Things seem fine on my end, unlike countless of my fellow pod pilots.
Yes scat happens, but this and events like this are becoming a disturbing trend. While some of this is to be expected in a publishing house that grows from small time into a major player, as more and more layers of staff occurs. There needs to be an awarness in CCP's management and their customer service people that things are not appearing as cohesive to the outsider as they did say a year ago. More and more it appears to my outsiders view that the poor mouthpieces of CCP, Wrangler and Kieron, are having to be reactionary as opposed to a far better position of proactionary.
I understand these problems in a business setting, myself having been in a company that went for 25 staff to 550staff in 5yrs. It is hard to maintain cohesion when that happens, and not only can internal workings within companies struggle to keep working, but customer bases can be adversely damaged.
So, Bobbism, while you may think that by telling me to quit whining in your fanboi like way is helping today, I think that I am helping CCP aswell, by alerting them that there is a percieved trend of neglect occuring in regards towards premptvie customer relations.
It is said that only 1 in 5 dissatisfied customers will voice their concerns, the rest will just get fed up and move on to a rival business. While this I know holds true in most brick and mortar business, im sure it does have some relevance to MMO's aswell. Would it be fair to CCP that they arent informed that there are disenchanted customers, so that they may take note and try to mend the problem?
Thats a much better post. That is helping CCP but your first couples of posts did look like whining.
P.S. I also can log in I have no idea why some can't some can <_<
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Random Womble
Minmatar
Master Miners
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:39:00 -
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Amittedly i am annoyed at the way the patch was done and yes i had to do the manual download too i am however also one of the people who had the keyboard issue that has been resolved. Admittedly prior to this i had found that the issue seemed to be caused for me atleast by something sent over the local network (client worked fine from another location over the holidays and when started while not connected) however disconnecting from the network every time one of my clients dropped or i wanted to get on a new char was very annoying so overall this patch for me is a boon.
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Cail Fortestan
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:39:00 -
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Terrific. An unannounced patch, with no patch notes that doesn't work !
Excellent result.
Does it really need a 4MB download to allow someone to type on the login screen ?
While you are fixing that, can we get a fix for the 100% CPU usage while sitting on the Login screen in Windows XP ?
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Johnny Ringo
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Bobbism
P.S. I also can log in I have no idea why some can't some can <_<
Do you use Win 2k? The unfixable problem seems limited to that OS.
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Miter
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:42:00 -
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How about you simply scrap this silly notion of deploying small patches in this manner?
A significant portion of your users have multiple computers with multiple installs on each computer... and having to actually log in to start the download is a PITA compared to simply re-running an already downloaded patch several times to get things updated -- no matter how tiny the patch is.
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Bobbism
Thats a much better post. That is helping CCP but your first couples of posts did look like whining.
Actually what you call my first couple of post were more like my 5th, 6th and 7th. I started the first player thread about the subject at 1203hrs, and after 2hrs of answers bordering on "our logs show nothing". It was and still is to a certain degree time to raise up the heat a bit in the complaints department. While I realise that any good complaint should have a solution, the solution has been given, the question is the implementation.
I honestly feel sorry for the community reps for CCP, because they continously seem to have to clean up after the silly messes that other CCP staffers leave behind.
p.s. no i dont want nor expect a cookie for starting the first player thread on the topic
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Kehmor
Caldari
PAK
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:45:00 -
[40]
Originally by: amagonsan
Why after 3 hours of the problem is there still NO announcement on the servers MOTD or the Players News Center informing people of this patch? This forum announcement is the only news about the issue, and most people don't read the forum. As a result many will bother your already very hardworking GM staff with questions about the stealth patch that was initiated, even if they don't have a problem with it.
why after almsot five years of moaning don't people like you go make a better game yourself?
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DevilsEoin
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:47:00 -
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I presume the win2k fix will be posted in this thread?
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Bozse
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:48:00 -
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Edited by: Bozse on 17/01/2008 15:48:07
Not going to whine about not beeing able to log in as **** happens, some sort of notice on the login screen would have saved from wasting 30min of my time trying to figure out what was wrong though.
Patches can go wrong sure but notifying your customers is something u could step up a notch on.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE is designed to be a dark and harsh world
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Polly Math
Seven.
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:50:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Kehmor
why after almsot five years of moaning don't people like you go make a better game yourself?
sry but this is 101 of patch deployment, a honest ****up like boot.ini i can understand. but this is something i would only expect from noob devs deploying their first patch.
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Alora Venoda
Caldari
GalTech
Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:50:00 -
[44]
For the record on my XP system it auto-patched and worked fine with no intervention.
Okay so the only basic difference with the new system is that instead of the usual auto-download and launch external patch program, it does that patch step from the EVE program itself?
If this is used on a required update will the server status still say "incompatible (version)" or whatever? It would be nice to know before connecting whether or not there is an update. And will the patch process show release notes?
The old way would also download the patch without even having to login. But this one required a login before it downloads...
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Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless.
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Blank Protection
Caldari
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:50:00 -
[45]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: DevilsEoin
So Win2k users cant use eve at all until tomorrow?
We're working on Win2000 right now and we'll update the news as soon as we can.
With all respect but how the hell can you guys passed the Windows 2000 players?
Its still a fully supported OS by Microsoft and im working also at a computer firm and still most PC`s are running WIN2K.
Almost 22.000 players online and im not able to join only because i run WIN2K Pro, thats absurd.
Can whe already expect WIN2K is next OS that will get kicked by CCP?
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Miter
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:51:00 -
[46]
I often do wonder if gaming companies are hiring, because I have this delusion that stupid siht like this would not happen if I was working there.
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Troye
Gallente
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:55:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Kehmor
Originally by: amagonsan
Why after 3 hours of the problem is there still NO announcement on the servers MOTD or the Players News Center informing people of this patch? This forum announcement is the only news about the issue, and most people don't read the forum. As a result many will bother your already very hardworking GM staff with questions about the stealth patch that was initiated, even if they don't have a problem with it.
why after almsot five years of moaning don't people like you go make a better game yourself?
Why after almost five years CCP can't atleast anounce when their going to put up a patch? Its not like they have a history of running smoothly. Can I ask why we're not alowed to excersie our rights as paying costumers and complain?
Also can I ask whether you've even been effected by this or the Boot.ini messup, if not its very easy for you to take a "no whinning" stance.
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Johnny Ringo
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.01.17 15:55:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Miter
I often do wonder if gaming companies are hiring, because I have this delusion that stupid siht like this would not happen if I was working there.
Derek Smart! I didn't know you played Eve!
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Atanari
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Posted - 2008.01.17 16:01:00 -
[49]
Funny thing is I never even got a patch update notice. No incompatible build please upgrade or anything like that. Just no log on.
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Freeman Fedaykin
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Posted - 2008.01.17 16:01:00 -
[50]
Guys, who got no problems today! Remember, tomorrow this patch will be removed and you may face the difficulties...
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Johnny Ringo
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.01.17 16:02:00 -
[51]
OK, so as a benighted Win2k user I'm frozen out of Eve, so I figure, wth, I'll go play EQII till CCP figures this out.
Guess what? It's patch day at EQII and all servers are down.
It just ain't my day.
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hennep ashsa
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Posted - 2008.01.17 16:03:00 -
[52]
Edited by: hennep ashsa on 17/01/2008 16:04:38
this thread took some finding, nothing seems to work on W2K, although its been a diversion messin up the hard disk with loads of new directories and duplicate files. Only upset as logged in to end skill and start a new one before taking the dog out, he's still waiting, maybe W2K issue solved on my return, its only 1 hour before they head home for the day, so here's hopin.
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
Organized Combat Consortium
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Posted - 2008.01.17 16:09:00 -
[53]
Is it safe to reboot my computer?
Originally by: zeeZ Exus
The time WOW and EVE combine will be the day we get planetary interaction.
World of Warcraft shards become planets and we shall get modules for planetary bombardment. |
Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.17 16:09:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Blank Protection
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: DevilsEoin
So Win2k users cant use eve at all until tomorrow?
We're working on Win2000 right now and we'll update the news as soon as we can.
With all respect but how the hell can you guys passed the Windows 2000 players?
Its still a fully supported OS by Microsoft and im working also at a computer firm and still most PC`s are running WIN2K.
No it isn't. It's in extended support. MS have already said that they won't support IE7 for Win2K so the writing has been well and truly on the wall for over a year now.
Win2K was a great OS and still is but it's old. It's being pensioned off. There's been no technical reason not to use XP for a couple of years now. Heck if SP1 pans out Vista will be ready for prime-time as well.
If you're on a tight budget and can't afford to upgrade then I feel for you but if you just have a crazy notion that Win2K is the best version of Windows ever released then..well...you're wrong. Simple as that.
Source:Wikipedia.
"The Windows 2000 family of operating systems moved from mainstream support to the extended support phase on June 30, 2005. Microsoft says that this marks the progression of Windows 2000 through the Microsoft Lifecycle policy. Under the extended support phase, Microsoft continues to provide critical security updates on a monthly basis and pay per incident telephone support. However, free technical support and design changes are no longer provided. Because of its old age, Microsoft is not offering current components such as Internet Explorer 7 for Windows 2000"
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(Battle hardened industrialist)
[Brackley, UK]
My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned. |
Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.17 16:13:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Miter
I often do wonder if gaming companies are hiring, because I have this delusion that stupid siht like this would not happen if I was working there.
I'm tempted to agree but then I've never worked in the gaming industry. I also know from working in the..er..serious industry?..that screw ups of all kinds do and will happen.
People find it very difficult to plan for the long term. Either because they've never learnt how, they are too lazy or (and this one ****es me off a lot) their managers won't give them the resources to do it.
The result is sticking plaster solutions over sticking plaster solutions. I sometimes wonder how the IT industry works at all given that at times it seems like a Heath Robinsion work.
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(Battle hardened industrialist)
[Brackley, UK]
My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned. |
Johnny Ringo
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.01.17 16:13:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Andrue
[If you're on a tight budget and can't afford to upgrade then I feel for you but if you just have a crazy notion that Win2K is the best version of Windows ever released then..well...you're wrong. Simple as that.
Thanks. I'll pass that along to my IT department. Maybe they'll listen.
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SloMoJoe
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.01.17 16:18:00 -
[57]
I find it hard to communicate how disappointed I am in this type of issue with CCP's development and testing teams without breaking into a torrent of nerd rage. If I were to scroll back how many times do you think I'd encounter the phrase "error not caught by our test server or process"? Fire your current ***** team of testers CCP. You don't seem to be getting your monies worth.
This is my eve online siganture. There are many like it but this one is mine. |
DeODokktor
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2008.01.17 16:32:00 -
[58]
If you guys are trying to get this patch working in win2k then stop trying... I have been watching file querrys and the client reads the correct director (now) and reads the file, but after reading so much of the file it just closes..
So it looks like (if you add the file in manually) the client will read it, but it wont do anything with it :( ..
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CoolHandLuke
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Posted - 2008.01.17 16:34:00 -
[59]
Edited by: CoolHandLuke on 17/01/2008 16:34:10
I have tried the manual patch and either i have applied it wrong or it does not work.
So I create a directory called dd7d3d04d133729bde20677ec76f5d63 so it looks like C:\ProgramData\CCP\EVE\dd7d3d04d133729bde20677ec76f5d63 this and then I place the compiled code in that directory?
forgot to mention i am running vista business.
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Jin So
Red Mercury Incorporated
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2008.01.17 16:56:00 -
[60]
Hmmm, when I started the client, it patched and then no futher issues from there, I run multiple accts, the client d/l it once and that was it. Did they fix it already?
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Calana Humane
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.01.17 16:57:00 -
[61]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
The patch itself was designed to fix an issue with the keyboard not working on the login screen.
But patch downloading after i login? I need to copy-paste my pass? Thank for working mouse :)
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Vahligmarr
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Posted - 2008.01.17 16:58:00 -
[62]
for all that have important things to do tonite in the eve-universe and can't login i would suggest downloading ubuntu gutsy.
DL + install will take 1 to 2 hours. install eve after that and you can at least change skill, or finish your mission etc.
but be aware that Ubuntus bootloader (grub) will remove your windows one, which is no problem at all, you can boot windows normally through it, it is only important to know if you plan to remove ubuntu afterwards.
its not a big thing, but you should read how to bring back the windows bootloader before uninstalling ubuntu....
good thing is, you have a peek in a really good OS which is absolutely free....
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Kristie
Minmatar
The Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.01.17 16:59:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Jin So
Hmmm, when I started the client, it patched and then no futher issues from there, I run multiple accts, the client d/l it once and that was it. Did they fix it already?
I can assure you it is not fixed. I cannot apply the patch nor can I log in. It goes all the way to where it should switch from the login to the char select screen and it just hangs. |
Joey Judas
Gallente
Repo Distribution and Salvage
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:02:00 -
[64]
23K players at peak time.... omg, 10K+ players (or 5K+ and alts ) not able to get in? EPIC FAIL. Not as bad as the boot.ini fiasco but EPIC all the same  |
Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:03:00 -
[65]
Now I am worried...
I logged on just after down time, downloaded the update, Eve restarted and everything seems to have worked fine... now I hear the patch is going to be removed...
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It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face.
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Khanid Kutie
I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:04:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Vordakr
Does this mean that if we are using Win2k we are going to have to wait until tomorrow to log in?
Or will those programmers have their fix done - and debugged - sooner than that?
I have attempted to use the XP version listed above but - it does not work with Windows 2K.
first the boot.ini scandal, now this for win2k users. CCP where does it end, really?
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Arachidamia
The Ninja Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:04:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Vahligmarr
for all that have important things to do tonite in the eve-universe and can't login i would suggest downloading ubuntu gutsy.
Shame ATI support is so awful for linux. First thing I did earlier when I couldn't log in with windows... is try in linux. Success! Until I undocked... and now the linux client crashed a split second after loading So windows wont work, and I can't change skill using linux. Bugger.
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implanted
Caldari
THEM.
Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:05:00 -
[68]
i havnt got a clue what ya on about......i shoot pilots and know nothing about pc's.......can i just install new 1 then instal the other new 1 2moz and it will be sorted or what ?
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:07:00 -
[69]
Due to the patch issues we reported in the previous news item there will be a reboot to fix the issues. Tranquility will go down at 17:39 GMT and the reboot is expected to last for about 15 minutes. Please make sure your characters are out of harms way before the servers close!
We apologize for the inconvenience this reboot may cause you.
Wrangler
Community Manager
CCP Games, EVE Online
Email / Netfang
"The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it." |
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Anwylyd Al'Vos
Minmatar
LightSpeed Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:08:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Vahligmarr
Patch Notes
Trinity 1.0.2 Stealth Patch Notes, released 17 January 2008
General
* A bug where Users could see that a patch was deployed was removed.
* A bug where clicking the "Connect" button actually brought you in the game was removed, it restarts the login screen now instead.
Windows Client
* A bug where players on Windows 2000 Platforms were able to play the game, was fixed. Windows 2000 Users can't log in anymore.
Linux and Mac Client
* Support for both operating systems will be removed soon
Homepage
* A bug where you could see the patch notes of the latest patch after clicking the "patch notes" tab in the left overview was removed, it displays the one month old patch correctly instead.
win... seriously though, not home to check to see if I was affected by this, but I was affected by the boot.ini nom nom nom... I've had rare cause to be disappointed with ccp's handling of these issues, but so close together is not exactly an encouraging thought... it seems to me things need to change on the check process so these sort of things ARE caught before launch... the absence of patch notes is maybe a goof, but not having a clear news item or motd of the situation is just negligence...
common guys, we know you can do better then this
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. - Justice, Mercy, and Faith
My soul has horizons further away than those of early mornings, deeper darkness than the night |
Johnny Gurkha
Villains
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:09:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Arachidamia
Originally by: Vahligmarr
for all that have important things to do tonite in the eve-universe and can't login i would suggest downloading ubuntu gutsy.
Shame ATI support is so awful for linux. First thing I did earlier when I couldn't log in with windows... is try in linux. Success! Until I undocked... and now the linux client crashed a split second after loading So windows wont work, and I can't change skill using linux. Bugger.
Funnily enough I'll be playing around with Linux for the rest of the evening after I've installed it to the spare HD. I'm downloading Ubuntu as I type after realising the SuSE version I have on CD is about 4 years out of date ...just wish Ubuntu used WindowMaker for a GUI 
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SoldierOfJustice
Infortunatus Eventus
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:10:00 -
[72]
Dear CCP, YOU FAIL!
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My words represent my opinions and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of my corporation or alliance. |
Talo
Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:11:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Joey Judas
23K players at peak time.... omg, 10K+ players (or 5K+ and alts ) not able to get in? EPIC FAIL. Not as bad as the boot.ini fiasco but EPIC all the same
Agree, it's just unfair to let 2/3 players have opportunity other 1/3 can't login. Assault undefended structures, compete with trade orders... Why to not have the server down and fix it?
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Kryttos
Hard Corp
Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:11:00 -
[74]
first the boot.ini scandal, now this for win2k users. CCP where does it end, really?
When win2k users realize they can upgrade to Xp or vista and get the same ifnot better results than win2k
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Anwylyd Al'Vos
Minmatar
LightSpeed Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:12:00 -
[75]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Due to the patch issues we reported in the previous news item there will be a reboot to fix the issues. Tranquility will go down at 17:39 GMT and the reboot is expected to last for about 15 minutes. Please make sure your characters are out of harms way before the servers close!
We apologize for the inconvenience this reboot may cause you.
good good
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. - Justice, Mercy, and Faith
My soul has horizons further away than those of early mornings, deeper darkness than the night |
Vahligmarr
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:15:00 -
[76]
yep, that is the right step if you ask me.... good one ccp
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:16:00 -
[77]
This reboot will of course also fix the issues win2k users are having.
Wrangler
Community Manager
CCP Games, EVE Online
Email / Netfang
"The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it." |
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Almethea
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:17:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Almethea on 17/01/2008 17:20:07
I have start the game, download patch, restart...all is ok.
No problem when i have start other account.
CCP FTW ?!
but set a long skill
One Isk Baby |
DaSumpf
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:25:00 -
[79]
Edited by: DaSumpf on 17/01/2008 17:25:20
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
... Tranquility will go down at 17:39 GMT and the reboot is expected to last for about 15 minutes. Please make sure your characters are out of harms way before the servers close!
We apologize for the inconvenience this reboot may cause you.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
This reboot will of course also fix the issues win2k users are having.
Thanks ! |
Tsaran wrap
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:29:00 -
[80]
ok so I just wanna say I agree with the *****ing that is going on since this new update back in december I have had mass probs myself from ccp's poor comunication and prep...I myself have had alot of interface probs and such I have filed so many petitions in the last few months believe me I have thought about leaveing myself they always tell you go in delete this delete that and then 6 hours later you got the same **** prob again .....O and BOBIT shut the **** up man cant belive you would stand there and talk **** does it make you feel big??? this post is so we can talk ta ccp and they can feel or frustration.....which they should after all we are the one in the long run ta fill their bellies so m point is this I spend what $100 a month in connect and games and such which isnt a big deal ta me but at the same time I like ta get what I'm payin for and the 30 that ccp gets from me a month is getting ta look less and less like it's worth it.....
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ashsa
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:30:00 -
[81]
Edited by: ashsa on 17/01/2008 17:30:27
weird, saw that they are rolling back the software so i tried to log and lol u are in a queue # 45, weird as was only 23K ppl on, usually 31K+.
LOL at me, forget server time isn't CET so still have to wait for reboot.
Good call on the reboot CCP, stealth updates smell like Microsoft, do not do what Microsoft does, we all know it just causes us pain for thier greed.
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Bark Skin
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:31:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Bark Skin on 17/01/2008 17:33:56
So i'm on windows vista x64 (not default install, not english version). the patch downloaded, pressed "ok". eve works fine. what am i supposed to do now and WILL IT WORK AFTER REBOOT?
edit: EVE is also not default install, english version
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SloMoJoe
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:34:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Tsaran wrap
ok so I just wanna say I agree with the *****ing that is going on since this new update back in december I have had mass probs myself from ccp's poor comunication and prep...I myself have had alot of interface probs and such I have filed so many petitions in the last few months believe me I have thought about leaveing myself they always tell you go in delete this delete that and then 6 hours later you got the same **** prob again .....O and BOBIT shut the **** up man cant belive you would stand there and talk **** does it make you feel big??? this post is so we can talk ta ccp and they can feel or frustration.....which they should after all we are the one in the long run ta fill their bellies so m point is this I spend what $100 a month in connect and games and such which isnt a big deal ta me but at the same time I like ta get what I'm payin for and the 30 that ccp gets from me a month is getting ta look less and less like it's worth it.....
ah.. just the nerd rage I was looking for.
This is my eve online siganture. There are many like it but this one is mine. |
Khanid Kutie
I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:34:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Bark Skin
WILL IT WORK AFTER REBOOT?
The fact that so many people now question whether their systems/clients will boot after patches is a relatively disturbing reality. When will CCP realize theyre reputation has been tarnished beyond belief with the latest patch nightmares? =(
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Gradinger
Todmacher
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:36:00 -
[85]
sry to say wrangler but the news-item is totally cryptic to me :/
do i have to install anything manually or just leave as is (just logged in and it looks fine?!)
meh i guess time will solve the prob... :/
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Kristie
Minmatar
The Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:36:00 -
[86]
Quote:
When win2k users realize they can upgrade to Xp or vista and get the same ifnot better results than win2k
Wrong. You must not know a lot about OSs. Win2k uses by far the least resources (out of these 3). It crashes the least (out of these 3). You can still install drivers manually without much hassle. |
Sandwich PvP
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:39:00 -
[87]
This little glitch on CCP's part is excellent!
You get at least 2 pages of responses that are just LOL. Better than the funny papers, you'd think that CCP had just nuked someones cheerios.
Thanks CCP, always nice to see that there are people out there who demand perfection from everyone.....except themselves.
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tar jan
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:44:00 -
[88]
im new to this game and its issue's
so i dont know if this error is from the patch or not.
when i go to log in it dose the loading thing and auth then just sits on the screen where you put in your account and pass
if you hit the connect again it gives this error
[ 2008.01.17 16:49:59 ] (info) The client's local session information is corrupt, probably as a result of failed cleanup during a disconnect. Connecting to the server in this state could lead to a rather unpleasant game experience. Please restart the client prior to logging in.
i have done every thing but change my os and its the same error. is this from the patch or is my account jacked up?
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Polly Math
Seven.
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:48:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Polly Math on 17/01/2008 17:49:25
gloating makes you look really good, i heard.
edit: tar, dont worry about your account beeing hijacked. should be all good after the servers go up again.
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Vizhonia
Minmatar
Pyramid Construction
Golden Applesauce
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:49:00 -
[90]
I'm in the very unhappy camp here.
If things continue on their current course, it will only be a matter of time before I leave in protest and close all 4 of my active accounts. If I'd been hit by the Trinity boot bug, I'd not be playing now and would be talking legal action. If CCP continues to be more fast and loose with their deployment of stuff, it's only a matter of time before everyone will get their turn to experience problems on that level.
This really is due for an apology to the users here. I am in the "This borders on Malware" camp on this issue... Where was our patch warning we are supposed to get? Were was our chance to prepare or refuse to accept it that is required by law in some areas of the world? And really, when did the Paying users on Tranquility become the QA beta testers? "Testing a new patch deployment method" sounds an awful lot to me like the entire user base was used as beta testers today.
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Kristie
Minmatar
The Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:49:00 -
[91]
Originally by: tar jan
if you hit the connect again it gives this error
[ 2008.01.17 16:49:59 ] (info) The client's local session information is corrupt, probably as a result of failed cleanup during a disconnect. Connecting to the server in this state could lead to a rather unpleasant game experience. Please restart the client prior to logging in.
i have done every thing but change my os and its the same error. is this from the patch or is my account jacked up?
This is from the patch. Hopefully in about 10-25 minutes you will be able to connect. |
Vizhonia
Minmatar
Pyramid Construction
Golden Applesauce
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:51:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Vizhonia on 17/01/2008 17:53:19
Originally by: tar jan
im new to this game and its issue's
so i dont know if this error is from the patch or not.
when i go to log in it dose the loading thing and auth then just sits on the screen where you put in your account and pass
if you hit the connect again it gives this error
[ 2008.01.17 16:49:59 ] (info) The client's local session information is corrupt, probably as a result of failed cleanup during a disconnect. Connecting to the server in this state could lead to a rather unpleasant game experience. Please restart the client prior to logging in.
i have done every thing but change my os and its the same error. is this from the patch or is my account jacked up?
That might be an unrelated issue. Have had it happen more than once (as I'm sure the majority in this thread have) on both of my machines. It usually means that something in your files got corrupted and the best fix is usually just to cry over all your screen prefs and game options being lost and then just reinstall the whole client... It's usually a good idea to keep a copy of the client setup program on hand for just such situations.
That said, I'd still wait on the restart of the servers and see if it fixes itself. If you are using Win2k it could be the error symptom you are getting from the bad patch.
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Angel Scott
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:52:00 -
[93]
This is what happens when you out-source quality control
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Gradinger
Todmacher
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:54:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Gradinger on 17/01/2008 17:54:54
Originally by: Vizhonia
Originally by: tar jan
im new to this game and its issue's
so i dont know if this error is from the patch or not.
when i go to log in it dose the loading thing and auth then just sits on the screen where you put in your account and pass
if you hit the connect again it gives this error
[ 2008.01.17 16:49:59 ] (info) The client's local session information is corrupt, probably as a result of failed cleanup during a disconnect. Connecting to the server in this state could lead to a rather unpleasant game experience. Please restart the client prior to logging in.
i have done every thing but change my os and its the same error. is this from the patch or is my account jacked up?
Pretty sure that is an unrelated issue. Have had it happen more than once (as I'm sure the majority in this thread have) on both of my machines. It usually means that something in your files got corrupted and the best fix is usually just to cry over all your screen prefs and game options being lost and then just reinstall the whole client... It's usually a good idea to keep a copy of the client setup program on hand for just such situations.
some times this happens when u keep the client open for some minutes without loggin in...
edit: just restart client - and yes unrelated issue most prob
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Almethea
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.17 17:57:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Vizhonia
I'm in the very unhappy camp here.
I leave in protest and close all 4 of my active accounts.
your stuff ?? thanks 
One Isk Baby |
Freeman Fedaykin
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Posted - 2008.01.17 18:11:00 -
[96]
Well, I'm in game... Problem solved...Long skill set...Thanks CCP... Proud W2k user.
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Vahligmarr
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Posted - 2008.01.17 18:17:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Sandwich PvP
This little glitch on CCP's part is excellent!
You get at least 2 pages of responses that are just LOL. Better than the funny papers, you'd think that CCP had just nuked someones cheerios.
Thanks CCP, always nice to see that there are people out there who demand perfection from everyone.....except themselves.
haha, you're right Sandwich - LOL
its so LOL, people like you are the reason that more & more companies outsource QA and leave beta testing to the customers - LOL
But who cares - LOL, its so funny to pay for something and it doesn't work - LOL
LOL, some people lost skill time, tried to fix their installation, or LOL simply could not do what they planned to do - LOL
haha everything is so LOL
Thanks Sandwich you make me so - LOL
i will go out now and throw some money in the lake - LOL
CU - ROFL
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.01.17 18:31:00 -
[98]
Since that patch, when I set a destination on the map, I get this:
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4862/bugpe5.jpg
Reconnecting doesn't change anything. I use an ATI X1950XT with DirectX 9.0c and catalyst drivers 7.4.
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Ashoka TG
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2008.01.17 18:41:00 -
[99]
To all those talking about Malware :
From Wikipedia :
Quote:
Malware is software designed to infiltrate or damage a computer system without the owner's informed consent.
From EULA (Section 10D) :
Quote:
D. Software Updates
CCP may from time to time update or otherwise modify the Software electronically. You hereby grant CCP permission to: (i) extract hardware system profile data from your computer; (ii) extract information from your computer's file directories pertaining to the Game and your ability to access the System; (iii) download to your computer content and Game files and any data related to the operation of the Game. The foregoing applies to any computer from which you log into the System using your Account.
DUH!
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Haradgrim
The Wild Bunch
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.01.17 19:34:00 -
[100]
...... c'mon ccp, you can do better than this, basic client and patcher issues in a product that is more than 3 years old? I realize that with any software product there are mistakes made and you won't catch everything, but this is like delivering a car to a customer and forgetting to put in the ignition-lock cyclinder..... (with the boot.ini mess being like installing the engine backwards....)
Originally by: CCP Oveur
...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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pain supplier
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.17 19:45:00 -
[101]
Update 2? I can't even get in now(was ok before the 17:39 reboot), so no not open for business, can we another update please? oh and the website is being sluggish aswell, but I don't care about that.
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.01.17 20:14:00 -
[102]
CCP, your reputation has been on a pretty much constant decline since the t20-incident. And these types of mistakes are not making things better.
Please get back on the horse soon.
"Bring back the pain."
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Angel DeMorphis
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.17 21:51:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Angel DeMorphis on 17/01/2008 21:53:01
I haven't lost any skill training due to this; I was able to log in just after down time to switch skills, too. I care not that they tried and failed to implement a new patch technique. I'm in the business, I know how it goes. Heck, I wasn't even mad about the boot.ini issue. Like I said, I'm in the business, and I know what can happen, and they quickly got on the horse to provide the players with information on how to fix it in the short term until they finally announced a good solution. (Thankfully, I hadn't restarted the computer, partially due to the possibility of an issue like that.)
But today when I logged in, I got a notice that it was downloading a patch. No notice on the MOTD. Nothing in the patch notes. No information or news from CCP. Nothing. Many hours later, still no patch notes. The information beforehand is the most important. I'm not even talking about setting a long skill to train. Screw skill training. I want to know what and when I am downloading something out of the ordinary.
A trustworthy system only makes you download and install new programs when you okay it. I don't okay it by logging in. Spyware and malware downloads and runs new programs without your knowledge....
Am I'm whining and complaining? You better believe it. This is unacceptable. (Heh, now I suppose I should mention something about closing my 23 accounts?)
EDIT: Note, I'm not whining about something not working/breaking. I'm not whining that the patch failed to do what they wanted or even caused some to not be able to log in. I'm whining that we're getting a patch forced down our throats with no info whatsoever. And what about when they do stealth patches like this that affect gameplay and still have no patch notes? Yeah, not cool.
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nicetry
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Posted - 2008.01.17 23:00:00 -
[104]
Did this silly patch reset keyboard settings? I logged in this morning to change skills with no problems, get home after work, try logging in and my keyboard does not work. I had to reset to Windows default and reboot to get it to work.
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Vahligmarr
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Posted - 2008.01.17 23:41:00 -
[105]
Quote:
The patch itself was designed to fix an issue with the keyboard not working on the login screen.
glad to hear it helped
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2008.01.18 00:58:00 -
[106]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
UPDATE 2:
Tranquility is back up and open for business. The reboot should have fixed all patch issues and we apologize for any inconvenience caused by this patch and reboot.
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UPDATE:
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We apologize for the inconvenience this reboot may cause you.
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(Old news)
To manually patch:
Do we still have to manually patch or not? If not, please remove the instructions for how to manually patch. I can't tell from what's been written if I still need to manually patch, or did the reboot fix things so no manual patch is needed.
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BAteh
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.01.18 00:58:00 -
[107]
Fail.
Again.
"I apologize for the bitter, harsh, albeit honest truth these words may cause you."
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2008.01.18 01:04:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Angel Scott
This is what happens when you out-source quality control
No, dear. This is what happens when you let the developers do quality assurance on their own code. Outsourcing would be an improvement at this juncture.
-- Guile can always trump hardware -- |
Harper Ei
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Posted - 2008.01.18 06:59:00 -
[109]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Tranquility is back up and open for business. The reboot should have fixed all patch issues and we apologize for any inconvenience caused by this patch and reboot.
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Wrangler. When I read this message I get absolutely no idea of what is going on other than that something is/was wrong. I have noticed no changes in my client after the patch (except some malfunction with my skill training, which is partitioned), since it just downloaded and installed as usual.
I am, however, now sitting back with a feeling that there was (or perhaps even still is) something wrong with my client, yet I have no idea what it was?
For instance - In the original message above there is a description for how to manually patch. The message does not explain whether or why I would have to do that though. It just tells me how.
H/E
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Vir Hellnamin
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.18 07:53:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Vir Hellnamin on 18/01/2008 07:56:36
Originally by: Harper Ei
I am, however, now sitting back with a feeling that there was (or perhaps even still is) something wrong with my client, yet I have no idea what it was?
Harper: I'm not 100% certain what happened yesterday, but I gathered this info (from forums + my experiences with my client):
- CCP's goal was to integrate the patcher software to EVE client. It should have worked like following (start EVE client, log in, client notices patches, it starts to download them, informs that patch is loaded, you'll just restart client) (previously we had separate patching software).
- the manual patching was added to instructions from CCP devs, so people could still patch clients "manually" instead of this auto-patcher.
- the auto-patcher did not work with win 2000, nor with setups that had EVE client in non-default installation.
- after that something else happened too; I think following was for example reported: some auto-patchers went into infinite loops, auto-patcher could not patch more than one client in same computer.
- even more mess started since no patch notes nor announcement before hand was given.
- patch actually tried to patch something else than the auto-patcher to EVE Client; apparently some keyboard gets stuck in login-screen was on bug list. (still: no patch notes)
My own experience was last night that old client still works, and is no way faulty nor messed-up, and best of all: tries not to do anything auto-patching patching. (I think this was the backwards change that required server boot.)
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V.H.
"Entering MH means instant death. It's worse than 0.0. Even the asteroids shoot back." - Alex Harumichi, Gradient [GRD]
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Harper Ei
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Posted - 2008.01.18 09:23:00 -
[111]
Vir: Thank you for the explanation. Nice to know that somone knows at least something!
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Z010
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Posted - 2008.01.18 11:04:00 -
[112]
Guess I was one of the lucky ones, except I did have to stop what I was doing for the short reboot - however, dinner was early, so all is/was good.
Not everyone had problems - or maybe I am crazy in keeping to near defaults - and that is why all went well.
Have an EvE-y day!
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Jarod Hawke
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.18 13:34:00 -
[113]
Nice fK up again CCP... BTW, when are you actually planning to roll out a patch that will fix the truck load of bugs introduced with trinity?
It's been deadsilenct sine the release.
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amarokk
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Posted - 2008.01.18 18:14:00 -
[114]
what does it mean that the patch is uninstalled tomorrow? that the keyboard issues will be also there again? wtf... weeks of no skill training, that really s****.
good job 
(sry for whine, had to be)
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Vahligmarr
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Posted - 2008.01.18 20:27:00 -
[115]
Quote:
Tranquility will go down at 17:39 GMT and the reboot is expected to last for about 15 minutes
i think the patch was already uninstalled yesterday... do you still have the keyboard issues?
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amarokk
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Posted - 2008.01.19 00:03:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Vahligmarr
i think the patch was already uninstalled yesterday... do you still have the keyboard issues?
yes
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Vahligmarr
Minmatar
14th Legion
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Posted - 2008.01.19 00:41:00 -
[117]
Edited by: Vahligmarr on 19/01/2008 00:42:21
have you considered this (below), at least to change skills? you won't have keyborad issues with ubuntu i guess.
Originally by: Vahligmarr
for all that have important things to do tonite in the eve-universe and can't login i would suggest downloading ubuntu gutsy.
DL + install will take 1 to 2 hours. install eve after that and you can at least change skill, or finish your mission etc.
but be aware that Ubuntus bootloader (grub) will remove your windows one, which is no problem at all, you can boot windows normally through it, it is only important to know if you plan to remove ubuntu afterwards.
its not a big thing, but you should read how to bring back the windows bootloader before uninstalling ubuntu....
good thing is, you have a peek in a really good OS which is absolutely free....
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Marcus Tedric
Gallente
Tedric Enterprises
Space Exploration and Logistic Services
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Posted - 2008.01.19 10:43:00 -
[118]
I just have to add to this thread...
'Stealth' patching - aka Auto-patching is a truly apalling idea!
Please, please don't do it now, or ever.
Firstly - if we don't know we're being patched, we cannot take any of the normal precautions, like backups, etc.
Secondly - this is no use at all for Multiple installs, which have been essential for some time. Manual patching is the only way. Please don't screw up our gaming experience for no good reason at all.
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Pastora
Russian SOBR
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.19 18:15:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Pastora on 19/01/2008 18:16:06
So, wtf was this patch about? Sorry to bother you, but I guess I'm not alone who is interested to know that.
Or was it really only a patch to test auto-patching?
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If ifs and ands were pots and pans,
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SoldierOfJustice
Infortunatus Eventus
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.19 18:34:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Pastora
Edited by: Pastora on 19/01/2008 18:16:06
So, wtf was this patch about? Sorry to bother you, but I guess I'm not alone who is interested to know that.
Or was it really only a patch to test auto-patching?
It was a proof that CCP fails at what they claim they do best .
It's like it isnt enough with the stupid UI bugs in the unstable client. So many changes in 1 patch was extremely stupid.
Only time CCP will start worrying about service quality is when they lose a big number of players in short time. Only then they will start treating players like the paying customers they are. I just came back to the game and paid for 2 accounts and I regret it already.
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zebulin
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Posted - 2008.01.20 07:30:00 -
[121]
still i crash
wats the problem
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Prime
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Posted - 2008.01.20 21:14:00 -
[122]
I cannot log on :( - but only with Prime - who is in Jita :(
It lagged out initially on the jump from Perim->Jita
I can log on with other characters... just not Prime
CCP? patch related? can you fix this?
Prime
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