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Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:12:00 - [61] Originally by: Malcanis Your trust is refreshing, but your naivete is disturbing. It's what I do for a living. Of all the problems I've had to deal with- and some made me want to jump off a bridge- the majority had solutions. Some weren't easy to find. Some I gave up on entirly. Some I chose simply not to implement the solution because it wasn't realistic at the time. At no time did I ever say, "there is no solution." It was always a choice, I chose to end the troubleshooting before I found the solution. By the way, solutions include changing everything from ram to motherboards to simply reloading the OS. Just because that's not realistic for you doesn't mean they aren't valid solutions when time is money. /makes fart noise
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:13:00 - [62] Originally by: Malcanis Using your own logic: if 99% of apps work fine on my PC, and 1% don't, there must be something wrong with that 1%. It's up to the software developers to fix them or lose a customer. This is a decent argument. I'm heading out. I'll respond later. /makes fart noise
Lithalnas Amarr Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:15:00 - [63] The good: Obviously, more players = more $$. This may bring changes to CCP and to the game in terms of hardware and customer service. Steam delivered patches, content, tools. (make MCalc, EFT and other tools delivered through steam.) GTC activated or even bought through steam and linking into account. EVE gets VAC certified? Client integrity checks force those pesky modified clients to get more clever. (isk spam bots) Trial accounts only through Steam eliminating bot generated accounts made on the website. The Bad: Influx of newbs and what not. Steam itself being wonky at times. The Ugly: CCP growing to big for its humble beginnings and trying to please everyone, or turning EVE into WOW. Could make running Multi clients painful. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
Sky Marshal Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:16:00 - [64] Edited by: Sky Marshal on 23/01/2008 00:16:36 Originally by: Alowishus Given the number of people who do successfully use steam your situation dictates that the problem is on your end. You should isolate and fix the problem instead of flushing money down the drain. Hum... Steam has some internal problems, same with a standard use. I do only this : (Install) Launch it - Add servers to favorites - Launch DOD or NS, as I want Nevertheless, this don't protect me. I still remember (maybe after a patch, don't remember), launching Steam make instantly my E:\ partition goes from 10Gb free space to 0Gb. Yes, he created all (empty) GCF of many games. There was few people to suffer of this. When I play at Day Of Defeat, I hope at each changemap that I will not be sent to the desktop (Curious bug : Change map or connecting to server "A", I see the class menu then DOD crash. I can't return to server "A" as long that the map don't change one more time, but I can go to server "B" at any moment. It is not a ban, as DOD crashs really. There are YEARS that this F****** bug exists). I have also some favorites who disappears with no reasons (it is not the habitual "Server is not responding" ). I will not enumerate all existing bugs but if I didn't like DOD, I would delete it. EVE Online has already enough bugs to add more by Steam in my system, but as long that Steam is not required, there is no problem. _______ / Black Blinking Screen of the Death / Fleet battle more laggy than ever with less ships / Inusual I/O access in dual account mode Trinity This universe of bugs... is reborn
Blind Man Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:16:00 - [65] I find it hard to believe that steam simply 'doesn't work' on your PC.. its just a little app that lists some games you have and displays the steam store webpage..
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:20:00 - [66] Originally by: Alowishus Originally by: Malcanis Your trust is refreshing, but your naivete is disturbing. It's what I do for a living. Of all the problems I've had to deal with- and some made me want to jump off a bridge- the majority had solutions. Some weren't easy to find. Some I gave up on entirly. Some I chose simply not to implement the solution because it wasn't realistic at the time. At no time did I ever say, "there is no solution." It was always a choice, I chose to end the troubleshooting before I found the solution. By the way, solutions include changing everything from ram to motherboards to simply reloading the OS. Just because that's not realistic for you doesn't mean they aren't valid solutions when time is money. It's what I used to do for a living as well. Which is why I assert that problems can have very non-obvious causes, to the point where it becomes easier to just wipe the OS and re-install than to diagnose & fix them. Steam's rep, and my own experiences with it (several hours trying to get it to work on my brother's PC) lead me to believe that I would be better off not risking it's installation on my own PC. Chance of steam causing me a lot of aggravation: low but significant Benefits of installing steam to me: zero. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
SiJira	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:23:00 - [67] perfect thousands of new players that wont multi account because theyll enjoy pvp in frigates and - oh no goons are going to grow at least we can expect most of them to not want to do anything non pvp so for everyone who thinks ccp doesnt boost empire carebears think again Trashed sig, Shark was here
Veng3ance Prophets Of a Damned Universe Elemental Fury	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:33:00 - [68] OMG upgrade the server quick!!!!
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:35:00 - [69] Originally by: SiJira perfect thousands of new players that wont multi account because theyll enjoy pvp in frigates and - oh no goons are going to grow at least we can expect most of them to not want to do anything non pvp so for everyone who thinks ccp doesnt boost empire carebears think again Was this a result of lateral thinking about how to re-populate lo-sec? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
heheheh Singularity. Talon Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:39:00 - [70] As long as im not forced to use it, all is cool with me, this quote i liked though, Quote: There is no PC problem that does not have a solution Amused me that did.

umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:40:00 - [71] Originally by: Mallikan Originally by: ToxicFire Im pritty sure alot of people are gonna turn around and go if eve goes on Steam they'll leave eve. CCP really needs to consult with its customer base when it does things like this. Uh.. no explanation for your opinion? Who the hell would leave just because the game is being distributed more widely??? Because the CS kiddys will flood our perfect universe. I think it's time i started training a pirate alt in anticipation. I know it may sound daft, but games like Red Orchestra which are more realistic and have a more mature fanbase are choked with ******s who get access to it via steam, advertising is everywhere in steam so they cant not notice it. EvE has a free trial... so why would every steam user not try it? There are a lot of good people in the steam community but my god, the rest of them should be set on fire. Still, its not worth quiting over.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:42:00 - [72] Quote: Your trust is refreshing, but your naivete is disturbing. This, I dont care what you do or what you think, but sometimes there simply is no solution.
Hermosa Diosas The-Secret-Service Retribution.	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:44:00 - [73] Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 23/01/2008 00:46:10 Errmm why is this such a big deal exactly ?- So what?... I dont see how this benefits or adds any more value to how eve is distributed or patched currently
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:46:00 - [74] Originally by: umop 3pisdn Originally by: Mallikan Originally by: ToxicFire Im pritty sure alot of people are gonna turn around and go if eve goes on Steam they'll leave eve. CCP really needs to consult with its customer base when it does things like this. Uh.. no explanation for your opinion? Who the hell would leave just because the game is being distributed more widely??? Because the CS kiddys will flood our perfect universe. I think it's time i started training a pirate alt in anticipation. I know it may sound daft, but games like Red Orchestra which are more realistic and have a more mature fanbase are choked with ******s who get access to it via steam, advertising is everywhere in steam so they cant not notice it. EvE has a free trial... so why would every steam user not try it? There are a lot of good people in the steam community but my god, the rest of them should be set on fire. Still, its not worth quiting over. Yeah. It's all fairly predictable, really. Some thousands of people will try it. Most of them will quit within a day or two because they're just not interested in the playstyle. Most of the rest will quit at the end of the 3-week trial. Most of the remainder will either cry that they can't "respawn" for free except in a noobship or cry because hi-sec isn't perfectly safe. A few will get hooked and a fraction of those will be decent PvPers, another fraction will be carebears that "get" EvE and the rest will be whiney mission-personsofcommerciallytradedaffection. Basically it'll just be like getting 3 or 6 months of new players all at once. After a few weeks of increased lag and forum annoyance/lulz, the tide will recede and it'll be more or less business as usual, but with a slightly higher playerbase. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
itsan egro	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:55:00 - [75] THERE'SA SPY SAPPIN MAH TOWER
Sazumaan Johnza Minmatar Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:02:00 - [76] In anticipation of the player influx, CCP wants ideas for Iterative HPC deployment (InfiniBand). If you are specialist, please make sure you check out this thread and add your ideas. Let's support them in building Europe's biggest gaming cluster. "Eve is more filling than roast steaks slowly grilling over a rotating fire whilst marinating in a combination of Australian fruity wines and the best imported herbs..." - SChimera [16.4.07]
Blind Man Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:08:00 - [77] if you think everyone that has steam is a "CS Kiddie" than you like .....
DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:09:00 - [78] Originally by: itsan egro THERE'SA SPY SAPPIN MAH TOWER haha ;\ _______________________________ Complex Fullerene Shards; why God? :\|
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:14:00 - [79] Edited by: Ralara on 23/01/2008 01:15:34 Steam works for me. The platform doesn't bother me. the player base does. How many of us have shut down CS or HL2:DM or whatever, when we've got headshotted 10 times in a row? Most. Bring on CTRL+Q. Bring on the "THIS ISNT BALANCED" Bring on the NERF NERF NERF and the 1337 H4><0R kids. CCP I hope you know what you're doing here. This is NOT the player base you want! The vast majority of Steam users are there because of Counter Strike. CS is the very .. anti-thingy opposite of what EvE is about! Eve is about patience and precision, not.. .oh why do I bother? More targets, I guess. A sudden influx of RL ISK. You get 500k subscribers... 200k quit after a month. The End. I R BE KING (and queen) OF CHEESE!
Plaetean Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:15:00 - [80] Originally by: Ix Forres EVE has approximately 250,000 users. Steam has approximately 13,000,000 users. Assume that 2% of that 13,000,000 playerbase tries EVE out. Suddenly EVE has more than doubled in required capacity. Expect the whole cluster to be on Jita-like levels of performance unless CCP has something up their sleeve. This is exactly the issue... the servers are bad enough as it is, but nearly double the load.... what on earth are they thinking. -----

Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:17:00 - [81] Edited by: Gamer4liff on 23/01/2008 01:21:56 Quit being babies, this is a match made in heaven. Also obligatory "I've been using steam for years and it has worked perfectly" post.
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:26:00 - [82] What the hell? People are babbling and gibbering about an influx of new players? New players are ultimately good for both the game and CCP. If you don't see why, then you may be required to wear the 'Tard Hat for a few days. Speaking of the 'Tard Hat, we already have plenty of 'tards in EVE as it is, who name their characters "darksephiroth12", blunder into gatecamps on autopilot with a hold full of faction modules, lose all their ISK playing the 0.01 game in Jita because they aren't smart enough to do it right, et cetera. I don't think a Steam release is going to change the overall percentage of 'tards significantly. ________________
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:30:00 - [83] Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn What the hell? People are babbling and gibbering about an influx of new players? New players are ultimately good for both the game and CCP. If you don't see why, then you may be required to wear the 'Tard Hat for a few days. Speaking of the 'Tard Hat, we already have plenty of 'tards in EVE as it is, who name their characters "darksephiroth12", blunder into gatecamps on autopilot with a hold full of faction modules, lose all their ISK playing the 0.01 game in Jita because they aren't smart enough to do it right, et cetera. I don't think a Steam release is going to change the overall percentage of 'tards significantly. Thats like saying more and more water is good for the human body ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Brennah Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:30:00 - [84] Originally by: Ralara Edited by: Ralara on 23/01/2008 01:17:18 Edited by: Ralara on 23/01/2008 01:15:34 CCP I hope you know what you're doing here. This is NOT the player base you want! Is their money [insert color of money in prospectives country]. If it is, then yes, it is the player base they want. Eve is a business and they are trying to expand, good for them. There are plenty of jackasses in eve just like there are plenty of jackasses on CS:S and DOD:S and TF2. There are also players like me that play eve and one of the above because they are different styles and I don't feel like playing eve every night. Some of those potential players don't know about eve and this is a good way to get the product out to them. The more people that subscribe to eve, the faster we get more cutting edge technology that CAN handle more players. The more people that play, the more CCP can profit for it, the more they will be able to reinvest in the game, and that means we get nice things. But please, continue ranting on how this is going to ruin "your" community that you for some reason believe is so much better than other game communities. Its not, it's just as rancid, elitist and ******** as any other, and your post and attitude towards people who play FPS' like CS just prove it Ralara.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:32:00 - [85] As long as we are not forced toi install some third party app or deal with another service for subscription tasks, then I'm all for it. More users means more resources CCP has to apply to Eve, although some of that will be used on other projects as well. Hopefully enough of those resources will be applied to Eve to deal with lag issues. However, the increased user load will likely push the lag problem along faster than the additional resources can fix it, if the current mechanics and architecture are maintained as is, simply because of diminishing returns. I'm all for Eve getting bigger, sign up the planet IMO - just make sure the game can handle it and keep away third party anoyances. The Real Space Initiative - V5 (Forum Link)
Panch0Villa Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:42:00 - [86] Egads! Lots of flame bait! /me dives into the deep end Quote: However, I'm certainly worried about the influx of FPS-n00bs that are bound to follow with its release. :S I can hardly see why this is a bad thing. It's not as if Eve is going to turn into FPS/twitchland, I don't see how this is even possible. Any twitchers are going to play the trial, get concordokkened, and delete Eve off their computer. Stop worrying about them. Quote: I don't know. The current hardware has trouble supporting the player base as it is, if putting eve on steam increases that by 15-20% it's really going to suck. Well if CCP knows whats good for them, they will buy bigger/better hardware. I don't think this is a bad thing. Just more ppl to shoot. There will always be problems supporting the extreme lag-fests, those aren't a matter of equipment, those will fill to capacity no matter what. If 100 ppl nearly crash a node, there will be 99 people fleet battles. If 1000, then 999 man wars. Quote: don't worry, i'm sure the constant complaints from 'vets' about 'noobs ruining eve' I find some truth in this statement. If anyone is scared of more competition, then it's only a matter of time anyways. If someone is ready and able to defend their turf, then they have nothing to fear. And come on ppl, don't you realize that it's a distribution deal? Patches will be dl'd from Steam servers, but CCP will nevar give their servers to Steam or anyone else. Servers = CCP. (If they know whats good for them)
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:43:00 - [87] The only thing I'd like to say is... CHANGE THE FRIKKEN INTRO MOVIE NOW!!!!!!!!1! Enough caldari already. Quit telling people that caldari are the strongest race. The Caldari emerged as the strongest state among them. Driven by the relentless pursuit of economic and military might If you're going to keep pursuing these things that are sure to dump tons more people into the eve universe, at least try to even up the appeal of each race in the intro movie. You don't even have to change the video part of it, just the words describing the races and get that hottie english chick back to redo the voice over (and gimme her phone number while you're at it). More here: Time for a New Intro Movie? But of course now you're just reading my sig...
roBurky StateCorp The State	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:47:00 - [88] Heh. There's people here worrying that everyone will be forced to play Eve through Steam, and there's me here worrying that I won't be allowed to play through Steam because I didn't buy through it. It's how things have worked in the past. You only get the convenience of Steam for a game if Valve got its share of your money. I've love it if this was different, but I'm doubting it.
Eamiela	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:53:00 - [89] Edited by: Eamiela on 23/01/2008 01:54:14 Originally by: Malcanis EvE has a free trial... so why would every steam user not try it? Erm... hate to remind you but Eve has a free trial available to everyone whether you have steam installed or not. Eve has been advertised and promoted before and there has never been a sudden dramatic game braking influx of new players. This game has grown slowly over the years and may it continue to do so! I dunno... I honestly can't see why people are whining about CCP advertising their game to a wider audience and the possibility of more people actually trying out this wonderful game? What's always with this "the end is nigh" attitude every time CCP do anything to their game ? Originally by: Malcanis Most of them will quit within a day or two because they're just not interested in the playstyle. Most of the rest will quit at the end of the 3-week trial. Most of the remainder will either cry that they can't "respawn" for free except in a noobship or cry because hi-sec isn't perfectly safe. You know a lot of people are actually capable of playing FPS and MMOs; we enjoy different styles of gaming. Sure you go on to say we might get some pvpers out of it, but really- I hate this attitude that just cos you play a FPS you wont "get" Eve. I came to Eve years ago having never played another MMO, pretty much solely from a FPS background. When I play CS or Battlefield etc im in the mood for quick straight to the action, instant gratification gaming experience and Eve when im in the mood for something I can work on and develop over a long period of time. Eve definitely wont appeal to every CS player but just because someone plays CS doesn't mean they can't "get" Eve.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:55:00 - [90] Um yeah, you snipped out the last part of that paragraph where I pretty much say exactly that. My point being that Steam-n3wbies = any other newbies. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.



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