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McTecman GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:43:00 - [1] http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=news&id=1414&cc=SI EVE Online Puts the MMO in Steam January 22, 2008, 1:49 pm - Eric Twelker EVE Online, the award winning massively multiplayer online (MMO) game from CCP, is coming to Steam, a leading platform for the delivery and management of PC games and digital content with over 13 million accounts worldwide. To celebrate the launch of Steam's first massively multiplayer online game offering, a special 21-day trial period for EVE will be available, free of charge, to all Steam gamers. Steam gamers will also save $5 off their first full month of EVE Online. EVE Online is a leader in online gaming technology, hosting hundreds of thousands of players in the same persistent universe. The latest of the EVE Online expansions, which are always free for players, introduces a graphic update of gargantuan proportions and a host of new gameplay features. Every ship, station, and stargate is rendered in an amazing splendor of spacefaring sights. Click here to learn more about EVE Online and view a trailer for the game. http://storefront.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=game&AppId=8500 About the Game EVE Online: Trinity is a Sci-Fi MMORPG like no other youÆve ever encountered. As human settlers began to explore the cold, unknown reaches of space, they discovered an uncharted wormhole that led to an exotic and unclaimed sector of space. The celestial portal led these explorers to a galaxy they dubbed ôNew Eden.ö Rich in resources, New Eden was assaulted by throngs of greedy pilots, fanatical sects of hell-bent fugitives, and mega-corporations; each hoping to stake their claims against the other. The golden age was short-lived. Millions flourished in wealth, and millions more died after the heavenly anomaly collapsed, severing one side from the other. A dark age fell upon New Eden for thousands of years, until four nations rose from the ashes of EarthÆs forgotten legacy. * Play on one server - EVE Online is a leader in online gaming technology, hosting hundreds of thousands of players in the same persistent universe. * Liberating advancement - Never"grind"for a skill again. Because the EVE universe is persistent, your skills increase even while youÆre offline. * PvP (Player vs. Player) based on strategy, not levels - Tactics have value in EVE Online. Experience and treachery will often beat top-of-the-line modifications and fancy ships. * Free EVE Online expansions - You will never be charged for an EVE expansion û as the EVE universe grows, so do the benefits of your subscription. ------------------------- So, how will this be handled? Will the payments go through Steam's billing for Steam users, or is this just a fancy inclusion of the game in the system?
McTecman GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:43:00 - [2] http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=news&id=1414&cc=SI EVE Online Puts the MMO in Steam January 22, 2008, 1:49 pm - Eric Twelker EVE Online, the award winning massively multiplayer online (MMO) game from CCP, is coming to Steam, a leading platform for the delivery and management of PC games and digital content with over 13 million accounts worldwide. To celebrate the launch of Steam's first massively multiplayer online game offering, a special 21-day trial period for EVE will be available, free of charge, to all Steam gamers. Steam gamers will also save $5 off their first full month of EVE Online. EVE Online is a leader in online gaming technology, hosting hundreds of thousands of players in the same persistent universe. The latest of the EVE Online expansions, which are always free for players, introduces a graphic update of gargantuan proportions and a host of new gameplay features. Every ship, station, and stargate is rendered in an amazing splendor of spacefaring sights. Click here to learn more about EVE Online and view a trailer for the game. http://storefront.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=game&AppId=8500 About the Game EVE Online: Trinity is a Sci-Fi MMORPG like no other youÆve ever encountered. As human settlers began to explore the cold, unknown reaches of space, they discovered an uncharted wormhole that led to an exotic and unclaimed sector of space. The celestial portal led these explorers to a galaxy they dubbed ôNew Eden.ö Rich in resources, New Eden was assaulted by throngs of greedy pilots, fanatical sects of hell-bent fugitives, and mega-corporations; each hoping to stake their claims against the other. The golden age was short-lived. Millions flourished in wealth, and millions more died after the heavenly anomaly collapsed, severing one side from the other. A dark age fell upon New Eden for thousands of years, until four nations rose from the ashes of EarthÆs forgotten legacy. * Play on one server - EVE Online is a leader in online gaming technology, hosting hundreds of thousands of players in the same persistent universe. * Liberating advancement - Never"grind"for a skill again. Because the EVE universe is persistent, your skills increase even while youÆre offline. * PvP (Player vs. Player) based on strategy, not levels - Tactics have value in EVE Online. Experience and treachery will often beat top-of-the-line modifications and fancy ships. * Free EVE Online expansions - You will never be charged for an EVE expansion û as the EVE universe grows, so do the benefits of your subscription. ------------------------- So, how will this be handled? Will the payments go through Steam's billing for Steam users, or is this just a fancy inclusion of the game in the system?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:45:00 - [3] April already?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:45:00 - [4] April already?
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:46:00 - [5] If it is real then w00t. Nice one CCP. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Vim Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:47:00 - [6] Edited by: Vim on 22/01/2008 22:47:34 w00t Thats acutally kinda cool if theyve made such a deal :P edit: Long as I dont have to touch steam with a ten feet pole.
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:47:00 - [7] Im pritty sure alot of people are gonna turn around and go if eve goes on Steam they'll leave eve. CCP really needs to consult with its customer base when it does things like this. ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:48:00 - [8] Originally by: ToxicFire Im pritty sure alot of people are gonna turn around and go if eve goes on Steam they'll leave eve. CCP really needs to consult with its customer base when it does things like this. Um... why? How does EVE being on Steam affect anyone else? ________________
Blind Man Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:49:00 - [9] yeah I was just gonna post this. nice going CCP.
Mallikan Gallente Genesis Nation	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:49:00 - [10] Originally by: ToxicFire Im pritty sure alot of people are gonna turn around and go if eve goes on Steam they'll leave eve. CCP really needs to consult with its customer base when it does things like this. Uh.. no explanation for your opinion? Who the hell would leave just because the game is being distributed more widely??? --- lol.. I messed up.

Rhaegor Stormborn Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:49:00 - [11] Originally by: ToxicFire Im pritty sure alot of people are gonna turn around and go if eve goes on Steam they'll leave eve. CCP really needs to consult with its customer base when it does things like this.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:50:00 - [12] Originally by: ToxicFire Im pritty sure alot of people are gonna turn around and go if eve goes on Steam they'll leave eve. CCP really needs to consult with its customer base when it does things like this. Er...if EVE going on Steam will make you quit, you probably shouldn't be playing EVE anyway. ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:50:00 - [13] Originally by: Mallikan Originally by: ToxicFire Im pritty sure alot of people are gonna turn around and go if eve goes on Steam they'll leave eve. CCP really needs to consult with its customer base when it does things like this. Uh.. no explanation for your opinion? Who the hell would leave just because the game is being distributed more widely??? He's probably ignorantly assuming he'll be forced to use Steam (which is an excellent service anyway). ________________
Kerdrak 3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:51:00 - [14] Oh noes... more lag ________________________________________
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:52:00 - [15] Edited by: ToxicFire on 22/01/2008 22:52:37 not gonna give more ammo to the flame tards ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:52:00 - [16] I rather like steam, but then again distributing it through steam in addition to the normal download scheme shouldn't cause any problems.
Xonkra Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:53:00 - [17] Originally by: Kerdrak Oh noes... more lag this Originally by: Illyria Ambri No matter how you want to say it.. it always sounds like frog clearing throat "Ve zurrendur, dunt schuut"
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:54:00 - [18] Originally by: ToxicFire Im sure someone else will field this question its not really anything technical its a matter of personal preference. A large number of people appeared to have issue with it take a look at how many people are still playing the pre-steam version of cs to high light it. I still don't get it. What logical reason would you have for quitting EVE if its available on Steam? ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Mallikan Gallente Genesis Nation	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:55:00 - [19] It won't cause any problems because it will add more subscriptions. More subs means yes, more lag, but at the same time more income for a company that is building (ok, having it built) one of the top super computers. I hear those are expensive. I'm not going to proof read this before sending it either. So. Yeah. --- lol.. I messed up.
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:56:00 - [20] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: ToxicFire Im sure someone else will field this question its not really anything technical its a matter of personal preference. A large number of people appeared to have issue with it take a look at how many people are still playing the pre-steam version of cs to high light it. I still don't get it. What logical reason would you have for quitting EVE if its available on Steam? If steam is just used as another download platform thats fine but the second im forced to use steam as my connection path into eve thats where I start not liking it. ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango

Kylegar Caldari Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.01.22 22:57:00 - [21] YESH!!!! Totally Cool. I have had my steam account since 2004, and this is awesome -- Originally by: CCP Ginger No sex changes.
Menkaure Amarr Vanitas Corp.	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:00:00 - [22] Originally by: ToxicFire Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: ToxicFire Im sure someone else will field this question its not really anything technical its a matter of personal preference. A large number of people appeared to have issue with it take a look at how many people are still playing the pre-steam version of cs to high light it. I still don't get it. What logical reason would you have for quitting EVE if its available on Steam? If steam is just used as another download platform thats fine but the second im forced to use steam as my connection path into eve thats where I start not liking it. I really doubt that CCP would do that... and even if they did I don't think itd be a big issue. Steam is a decent, solid program. I rarely buy games on anything else nowadays. However, I'm certainly worried about the influx of FPS-n00bs that are bound to follow with its release. :S
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:00:00 - [23] Originally by: ToxicFire Im pritty sure alot of people are gonna turn around and go if eve goes on Steam they'll leave eve. CCP really needs to consult with its customer base when it does things like this. Why should they consult their customer base? For every customer that decides to arbitrarily leave because Eve is available through Steam, they'll probably get 2-3 more because of it. So, um, we won't miss you? /makes fart noise
Matrixcvd Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:01:00 - [24] yeah someone with technical experience ( or some ****** just fake something and lie to us so we can argue who has more novel network experience for 15 pages) explain why this does anything more than complicate matters. Patches download auotmatically, half life running in the background during hour long gate camps? what i dont understand, no entiendo, whats the draw here?
Mallikan Gallente Genesis Nation	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:01:00 - [25] I like my Steam account, and the service has improved so much since it first started. Even if they require me to log into steam first, I won't mind. But yes, I can see how that would put off a lot of people. However, I doubt that's the case. --- lol.. I messed up.
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:02:00 - [26] Edited by: ToxicFire on 22/01/2008 23:04:31 Originally by: Menkaure Originally by: ToxicFire Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: ToxicFire Im sure someone else will field this question its not really anything technical its a matter of personal preference. A large number of people appeared to have issue with it take a look at how many people are still playing the pre-steam version of cs to high light it. I still don't get it. What logical reason would you have for quitting EVE if its available on Steam? If steam is just used as another download platform thats fine but the second im forced to use steam as my connection path into eve thats where I start not liking it. I really doubt that CCP would do that... and even if they did I don't think itd be a big issue. Steam is a decent, solid program. I rarely buy games on anything else nowadays. However, I'm certainly worried about the influx of FPS-n00bs that are bound to follow with its release. :S Ah at last someone with sense in their head, I never said steam was a bad system I do use it, I just don't want eve and steam together. edit: Ok ok i hold up my hand's I surrender flicks the DD switch to on, I may have jumped to conclusions I havent been a heavy user of steam in the past couple of years so my opinions might not be upto date so I'll give it the benefit of the doubt but I would have preferred to have heard this in a dev blog rather than by a news article on steam having to be posted to eve's own forums. ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Mallikan Gallente Genesis Nation	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:03:00 - [27] Originally by: Matrixcvd yeah someone with technical experience ( or some ****** just fake something and lie to us so we can argue who has more novel network experience for 15 pages) explain why this does anything more than complicate matters. Patches download auotmatically, half life running in the background during hour long gate camps? what i dont understand, no entiendo, whats the draw here? Dude, it's highly doubtful we would have to log in to Steam to jump into EVE. Even so, you know nothing of Steam. If you did, you'd know that Half-Life and other steam apps don't update while one is active over the net. Second, you don't have to have Half-Life or any other steam app installed. No one said that it will require Steam logon after that, so get your panties out of your toes. --- lol.. I messed up.
McTecman GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:07:00 - [28] To further expand on this - lots of games are available on Steam that are available otherwise and it's not mandatory for you to use Steam, since the two playerbases can play together. So stop whining. This will probably gather some exposure and bring new blood into the game, so I'd say this is good news.
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:09:00 - [29] Originally by: McTecman To further expand on this - lots of games are available on Steam that are available otherwise and it's not mandatory for you to use Steam, since the two playerbases can play together. So stop whining. This will probably gather some exposure and bring new blood into the game, so I'd say this is good news. At the risk of been flamed again, here comes Jita MK2 :P ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Menkaure Amarr Vanitas Corp.	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:10:00 - [30] Originally by: Matrixcvd yeah someone with technical experience ( or some ****** just fake something and lie to us so we can argue who has more novel network experience for 15 pages) explain why this does anything more than complicate matters. Patches download auotmatically, half life running in the background during hour long gate camps? what i dont understand, no entiendo, whats the draw here? I imagine, quite simply.... its going to bring a massive amount of new players, and alot of publicity. Its like... with steam, you're basically browsing a store of what you want to play so the amount of incidental buys is going to skyrocket (seeing as people can't just wander into a store and think "i like the look of that" and buy Eve) Not to mention the ease of download and stuff, ease of update... the entire friends system allowing you to see who of your friends is playing the game without needing to be ingame. I'm sure there's a few other benefits I haven't thought of yet, this doesn't seem like something that CCP would do lightly.

Lucipher03	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:14:00 - [31] MORE NOOBS TO SHOOT AT, WOOOOHOOOO!
CLAM DAWN	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:15:00 - [32] I don't know. The current hardware has trouble supporting the player base as it is, if putting eve on steam increases that by 15-20% it's really going to suck.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:18:00 - [33] Originally by: Vim Edited by: Vim on 22/01/2008 22:47:34 w00t Thats acutally kinda cool if theyve made such a deal :P edit: Long as I dont have to touch steam with a ten feet pole. This. I will NOT install that crud on my PC. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:18:00 - [34] Originally by: Mallikan Originally by: ToxicFire Im pritty sure alot of people are gonna turn around and go if eve goes on Steam they'll leave eve. CCP really needs to consult with its customer base when it does things like this. Uh.. no explanation for your opinion? Who the hell would leave just because the game is being distributed more widely??? You have to remember a large proportion of the EVE community are like rats and suffer from chronic neophobia, any changes or at the first sight of something new or different they cant understand and deal with the situation so threatening to quit and foreseeing doom places them back within their comfort zone. Originally by: Menkaure However, I'm certainly worried about the influx of FPS-n00bs that are bound to follow with its release. :S Every cloud has a silver lining just be happy you will get a bunch of asshat noobs who think they are gods gift to pvp to gank ----------------------------------------------- My new years resolution is to give up nonconstructive posting
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:18:00 - [35] Originally by: CLAM DAWN I don't know. The current hardware has trouble supporting the player base as it is, if putting eve on steam increases that by 15-20% it's really going to suck. Actually, it would be fun to see how the server handles 50k players. Then see what CCP decides to do about it.
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:19:00 - [36] Edited by: ry ry on 22/01/2008 23:19:54 Originally by: ToxicFire Originally by: McTecman To further expand on this - lots of games are available on Steam that are available otherwise and it's not mandatory for you to use Steam, since the two playerbases can play together. So stop whining. This will probably gather some exposure and bring new blood into the game, so I'd say this is good news. At the risk of been flamed again, here comes Jita MK2 :P don't worry, i'm sure the constant complaints from 'vets' about 'noobs ruining eve' and how they are 'spoiling the game with the extra lag' will make any new players think twice about staying beyond the trial period. CCP didn't want that playerbase anyway. then we can all go back to complaining that eve is dead. high-fives all round! o/\o [IMAGE REMOVED]
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:21:00 - [37] also, steam has improved a fair bit since it was released. NOT THAT YOU'RE EVER GOING TO HAVE TO INSTALL IT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. [IMAGE REMOVED]
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Spaceways	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:23:00 - [38] Originally by: Kerdrak Oh noes... more lag More TARGETS!
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:24:00 - [39] Edited by: Alowishus on 22/01/2008 23:25:04 The current hardware can be upgraded. You act as if they never do this. You don't remember the game with 5000 players on Sunday so you take for granted a system that handles nearly 40,000 simultaneous users. When they have 80,000 they will have upgraded further. You'll still complain. I never have any lag but I stay out of Jita and I don't try to intentionally crash nodes with a thousand of my friends and their drones. /makes fart noise
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:25:00 - [40] Originally by: ToxicFire If steam is just used as another download platform thats fine but the second im forced to use steam as my connection path into eve thats where I start not liking it. Signed. But to all new eve-players coming from steam welcome :). --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs

Laboratus Gallente BGG Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:26:00 - [41] Edited by: Laboratus on 22/01/2008 23:27:02 Originally by: Malcanis ... I will NOT install that crud on my PC. /signed My experience with Steam Had it (years ago) Didn't work Problems not solved to date Some online games I had purchased moved their patches to steam only Could no longer play those games Might have as well flushed that money down the drain ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:28:00 - [42] Brace for incoming whines: OMG I GOT GANKED IN HI-SEC Wtf? 4 whole days for a skill? Trickd and killed by lofty29 HOW DO I BUY SHIPS? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:28:00 - [43] Originally by: Laboratus Edited by: Laboratus on 22/01/2008 23:27:02 Originally by: Malcanis ... I will NOT install that crud on my PC. /signed My experience with Steam Had it (years ago) Didn't work Problems not solved to date Some online games I had purchased moved their patches to steam only Could no longer play those games Might have as well flushed that money down the drain Given the number of people who do successfully use steam your situation dictates that the problem is on your end. You should isolate and fix the problem instead of flushing money down the drain. /makes fart noise
Witchking Minmatar British Federation Sleepless Knights Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:33:00 - [44] CCP Press Release Same as the Steam press release, but from CCP's website.
Laboratus Gallente BGG Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:36:00 - [45] IIWDFI If it works, dont fix it. They "fixed it" and it no longer works. So, meh. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:41:00 - [46] Maybe we'll get Achievements too! Like UberCryBaby! for getting Kieron spilling his heart out into your inbox because he doesn't like you. Or maybe a T20! for.... well... I think you can guess. The possiblities are unbounded. Except that..... Running multiple steam accounts on the same PC. You think your alt is anonymous? THAT's going to cost you another PC. And another internet connection. They won't make it mandatory though. Can you imagine what the CCP's Chinese paymasters would think of that? -- Death of an insidious dictator Birth of a new one
RedLion Caldari Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:43:00 - [47] Steam suck donkey balls and we all hate it! But if it's optional and it brings more cash (thus better content) into EVE then I don't see any problems. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Gallenteans must be destroyed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:45:00 - [48] Originally by: Alowishus Originally by: Laboratus Edited by: Laboratus on 22/01/2008 23:27:02 Originally by: Malcanis ... I will NOT install that crud on my PC. /signed My experience with Steam Had it (years ago) Didn't work Problems not solved to date Some online games I had purchased moved their patches to steam only Could no longer play those games Might have as well flushed that money down the drain Given the number of people who do successfully use steam your situation dictates that the problem is on your end. You should isolate and fix the problem instead of flushing money down the drain. Right. Because all PCs work exactly the same way with all applications and when they don't it's always for an easily-diagnosed, simply-fixed reason that's nothing to do with the software in question. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Plaetean Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:48:00 - [49] Originally by: Kerdrak Oh noes... more lag This one thousand times, this. Crazy crazy move :/ -----
Xaeon Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:48:00 - [50] Can we expect the servers to be looked at in that case? I mean if even a small portion of people try / sign up... man, I don't even want to think about logging in on a Sunday. Don't get me wrong, congrats to CCP, but can it cope? Chapter VIII 14/11/07

RedLion Caldari Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:49:00 - [51] It's not about using "steam" successfully, it's about you NEED to use steam for CS:S and such which makes so many people use it. Not because it's cool or well functioning. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Gallenteans must be destroyed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:55:00 - [52] Edited by: Alowishus on 22/01/2008 23:56:13 Originally by: Malcanis Right. Because all PCs work exactly the same way with all applications and when they don't it's always for an easily-diagnosed, simply-fixed reason that's nothing to do with the software in question. You have control over your PC. You have the ability to change software, hardware, OS, everything. There is no magic or mystery to PCs. There is no PC problem that does not have a solution. There are only PC users that don't know how to find the solution or are unwilling. Unfortunately this is most people. /makes fart noise
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:58:00 - [53] Originally by: Alowishus Edited by: Alowishus on 22/01/2008 23:56:13 Originally by: Malcanis Right. Because all PCs work exactly the same way with all applications and when they don't it's always for an easily-diagnosed, simply-fixed reason that's nothing to do with the software in question. You have control over your PC. You have the ability to change software, hardware, OS, everything. There is no magic or mystery to PCs. There is no PC problem that does not have a solution. There are only PC users that don't know how to find the solution or are unwilling. Unfortunately this is most people. Cmon everyone thats even developed the tiniest bit of software knows that you can never duplicate the environment a piece of software is developed on unless its the exact same system with the exact same data stored in the exact same position at the exact same time. Yes you can get close but even systems in the same office can have issues with the same software sometimes ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:58:00 - [54] I remember way back when Counterstrike first got added to Steam it asked me for my CD key and then told me it was the wrong one. Even though it was the same key and CD that I'd used to install the thing some months before, there was no workaround for the issue that I ever figured out (granted I wasn't quite as computer savvy then.) Then years later I got CS Source and never had any problems with Steam, so I could care less if Eve gets added to the Steam network. Of course on the other hand, as it's been said, if it brought in an influx of new Eve players before the Eve servers get an update, we will potentially experience more lag for awhile.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:59:00 - [55] Originally by: Alowishus Edited by: Alowishus on 22/01/2008 23:56:13 Originally by: Malcanis Right. Because all PCs work exactly the same way with all applications and when they don't it's always for an easily-diagnosed, simply-fixed reason that's nothing to do with the software in question. You have control over your PC. You have the ability to change software, hardware, OS, everything. There is no magic or mystery to PCs. There is no PC problem that does not have a solution. There are only PC users that don't know how to find the solution or are unwilling. Unfortunately this is most people. Your trust is refreshing, but your naivete is disturbing. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.22 23:59:00 - [56] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: ToxicFire Im pritty sure alot of people are gonna turn around and go if eve goes on Steam they'll leave eve. CCP really needs to consult with its customer base when it does things like this. Er...if EVE going on Steam will make you quit, you probably shouldn't be playing EVE anyway. Actually Steam is a great service. NoCD patch, just require an internet connection running. Should I unsubscribe to profit ? 2isk
Salvis Tallan Gallente The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:00:00 - [57] Quick! Everyone get to the starting systems to 'welcome' all the new players with free cans of loot! ------
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:00:00 - [58] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: ToxicFire Im pritty sure alot of people are gonna turn around and go if eve goes on Steam they'll leave eve. CCP really needs to consult with its customer base when it does things like this. Er...if EVE going on Steam will make you quit, you probably shouldn't be playing EVE anyway. Actually Steam is a great service. NoCD patch, just require an internet connection running. Should I unsubscribe to profit ? Old post read a few post down where I surrender and say I may have been wrong ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Plaetean Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:03:00 - [59] Originally by: Salvis Tallan Quick! Everyone get to the starting systems to 'welcome' all the new players with free cans of loot! -----
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:05:00 - [60] Originally by: ToxicFire Originally by: Alowishus Edited by: Alowishus on 22/01/2008 23:56:13 Originally by: Malcanis Right. Because all PCs work exactly the same way with all applications and when they don't it's always for an easily-diagnosed, simply-fixed reason that's nothing to do with the software in question. You have control over your PC. You have the ability to change software, hardware, OS, everything. There is no magic or mystery to PCs. There is no PC problem that does not have a solution. There are only PC users that don't know how to find the solution or are unwilling. Unfortunately this is most people. Cmon everyone thats even developed the tiniest bit of software knows that you can never duplicate the environment a piece of software is developed on unless its the exact same system with the exact same data stored in the exact same position at the exact same time. Yes you can get close but even systems in the same office can have issues with the same software sometimes With an ap like Steam that works for the majority of people you don't need to duplicate the environment the software was developed on, you don't even have to get close. The fact is that if the software is working for 99% of the users it's up to the 1% to find out what they're doing wrong and fix it. Not everything is going to be 100% compatible, even if you think it's up to the vendor to make it so. You may just have to change something if you really want to the software and it's up to you to figure out what. If you choose not to do this then you can't simply say, "it doesn't work, it's crap." Any time I am dealing with someone who can't get a simple program to work, one that everyone else uses, nine times out of ten I find their PC to be a ****** to death burning pile of kaka that has a million viruses a registry like swiss cheese and is otherwised totally pwned. /makes fart noise

Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:12:00 - [61] Originally by: Malcanis Your trust is refreshing, but your naivete is disturbing. It's what I do for a living. Of all the problems I've had to deal with- and some made me want to jump off a bridge- the majority had solutions. Some weren't easy to find. Some I gave up on entirly. Some I chose simply not to implement the solution because it wasn't realistic at the time. At no time did I ever say, "there is no solution." It was always a choice, I chose to end the troubleshooting before I found the solution. By the way, solutions include changing everything from ram to motherboards to simply reloading the OS. Just because that's not realistic for you doesn't mean they aren't valid solutions when time is money. /makes fart noise
Alowishus mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:13:00 - [62] Originally by: Malcanis Using your own logic: if 99% of apps work fine on my PC, and 1% don't, there must be something wrong with that 1%. It's up to the software developers to fix them or lose a customer. This is a decent argument. I'm heading out. I'll respond later. /makes fart noise
Lithalnas Amarr Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:15:00 - [63] The good: Obviously, more players = more $$. This may bring changes to CCP and to the game in terms of hardware and customer service. Steam delivered patches, content, tools. (make MCalc, EFT and other tools delivered through steam.) GTC activated or even bought through steam and linking into account. EVE gets VAC certified? Client integrity checks force those pesky modified clients to get more clever. (isk spam bots) Trial accounts only through Steam eliminating bot generated accounts made on the website. The Bad: Influx of newbs and what not. Steam itself being wonky at times. The Ugly: CCP growing to big for its humble beginnings and trying to please everyone, or turning EVE into WOW. Could make running Multi clients painful. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
Sky Marshal Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:16:00 - [64] Edited by: Sky Marshal on 23/01/2008 00:16:36 Originally by: Alowishus Given the number of people who do successfully use steam your situation dictates that the problem is on your end. You should isolate and fix the problem instead of flushing money down the drain. Hum... Steam has some internal problems, same with a standard use. I do only this : (Install) Launch it - Add servers to favorites - Launch DOD or NS, as I want Nevertheless, this don't protect me. I still remember (maybe after a patch, don't remember), launching Steam make instantly my E:\ partition goes from 10Gb free space to 0Gb. Yes, he created all (empty) GCF of many games. There was few people to suffer of this. When I play at Day Of Defeat, I hope at each changemap that I will not be sent to the desktop (Curious bug : Change map or connecting to server "A", I see the class menu then DOD crash. I can't return to server "A" as long that the map don't change one more time, but I can go to server "B" at any moment. It is not a ban, as DOD crashs really. There are YEARS that this F****** bug exists). I have also some favorites who disappears with no reasons (it is not the habitual "Server is not responding" ). I will not enumerate all existing bugs but if I didn't like DOD, I would delete it. EVE Online has already enough bugs to add more by Steam in my system, but as long that Steam is not required, there is no problem. _______ / Black Blinking Screen of the Death / Fleet battle more laggy than ever with less ships / Inusual I/O access in dual account mode Trinity This universe of bugs... is reborn
Blind Man Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:16:00 - [65] I find it hard to believe that steam simply 'doesn't work' on your PC.. its just a little app that lists some games you have and displays the steam store webpage..
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:20:00 - [66] Originally by: Alowishus Originally by: Malcanis Your trust is refreshing, but your naivete is disturbing. It's what I do for a living. Of all the problems I've had to deal with- and some made me want to jump off a bridge- the majority had solutions. Some weren't easy to find. Some I gave up on entirly. Some I chose simply not to implement the solution because it wasn't realistic at the time. At no time did I ever say, "there is no solution." It was always a choice, I chose to end the troubleshooting before I found the solution. By the way, solutions include changing everything from ram to motherboards to simply reloading the OS. Just because that's not realistic for you doesn't mean they aren't valid solutions when time is money. It's what I used to do for a living as well. Which is why I assert that problems can have very non-obvious causes, to the point where it becomes easier to just wipe the OS and re-install than to diagnose & fix them. Steam's rep, and my own experiences with it (several hours trying to get it to work on my brother's PC) lead me to believe that I would be better off not risking it's installation on my own PC. Chance of steam causing me a lot of aggravation: low but significant Benefits of installing steam to me: zero. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
SiJira	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:23:00 - [67] perfect thousands of new players that wont multi account because theyll enjoy pvp in frigates and - oh no goons are going to grow at least we can expect most of them to not want to do anything non pvp so for everyone who thinks ccp doesnt boost empire carebears think again Trashed sig, Shark was here
Veng3ance Prophets Of a Damned Universe Elemental Fury	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:33:00 - [68] OMG upgrade the server quick!!!!
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:35:00 - [69] Originally by: SiJira perfect thousands of new players that wont multi account because theyll enjoy pvp in frigates and - oh no goons are going to grow at least we can expect most of them to not want to do anything non pvp so for everyone who thinks ccp doesnt boost empire carebears think again Was this a result of lateral thinking about how to re-populate lo-sec? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
heheheh Singularity. Talon Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:39:00 - [70] As long as im not forced to use it, all is cool with me, this quote i liked though, Quote: There is no PC problem that does not have a solution Amused me that did.

umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:40:00 - [71] Originally by: Mallikan Originally by: ToxicFire Im pritty sure alot of people are gonna turn around and go if eve goes on Steam they'll leave eve. CCP really needs to consult with its customer base when it does things like this. Uh.. no explanation for your opinion? Who the hell would leave just because the game is being distributed more widely??? Because the CS kiddys will flood our perfect universe. I think it's time i started training a pirate alt in anticipation. I know it may sound daft, but games like Red Orchestra which are more realistic and have a more mature fanbase are choked with ******s who get access to it via steam, advertising is everywhere in steam so they cant not notice it. EvE has a free trial... so why would every steam user not try it? There are a lot of good people in the steam community but my god, the rest of them should be set on fire. Still, its not worth quiting over.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:42:00 - [72] Quote: Your trust is refreshing, but your naivete is disturbing. This, I dont care what you do or what you think, but sometimes there simply is no solution.
Hermosa Diosas The-Secret-Service Retribution.	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:44:00 - [73] Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 23/01/2008 00:46:10 Errmm why is this such a big deal exactly ?- So what?... I dont see how this benefits or adds any more value to how eve is distributed or patched currently
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:46:00 - [74] Originally by: umop 3pisdn Originally by: Mallikan Originally by: ToxicFire Im pritty sure alot of people are gonna turn around and go if eve goes on Steam they'll leave eve. CCP really needs to consult with its customer base when it does things like this. Uh.. no explanation for your opinion? Who the hell would leave just because the game is being distributed more widely??? Because the CS kiddys will flood our perfect universe. I think it's time i started training a pirate alt in anticipation. I know it may sound daft, but games like Red Orchestra which are more realistic and have a more mature fanbase are choked with ******s who get access to it via steam, advertising is everywhere in steam so they cant not notice it. EvE has a free trial... so why would every steam user not try it? There are a lot of good people in the steam community but my god, the rest of them should be set on fire. Still, its not worth quiting over. Yeah. It's all fairly predictable, really. Some thousands of people will try it. Most of them will quit within a day or two because they're just not interested in the playstyle. Most of the rest will quit at the end of the 3-week trial. Most of the remainder will either cry that they can't "respawn" for free except in a noobship or cry because hi-sec isn't perfectly safe. A few will get hooked and a fraction of those will be decent PvPers, another fraction will be carebears that "get" EvE and the rest will be whiney mission-personsofcommerciallytradedaffection. Basically it'll just be like getting 3 or 6 months of new players all at once. After a few weeks of increased lag and forum annoyance/lulz, the tide will recede and it'll be more or less business as usual, but with a slightly higher playerbase. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
itsan egro	Posted - 2008.01.23 00:55:00 - [75] THERE'SA SPY SAPPIN MAH TOWER
Sazumaan Johnza Minmatar Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:02:00 - [76] In anticipation of the player influx, CCP wants ideas for Iterative HPC deployment (InfiniBand). If you are specialist, please make sure you check out this thread and add your ideas. Let's support them in building Europe's biggest gaming cluster. "Eve is more filling than roast steaks slowly grilling over a rotating fire whilst marinating in a combination of Australian fruity wines and the best imported herbs..." - SChimera [16.4.07]
Blind Man Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:08:00 - [77] if you think everyone that has steam is a "CS Kiddie" than you like .....
DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:09:00 - [78] Originally by: itsan egro THERE'SA SPY SAPPIN MAH TOWER haha ;\ _______________________________ Complex Fullerene Shards; why God? :\|
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:14:00 - [79] Edited by: Ralara on 23/01/2008 01:15:34 Steam works for me. The platform doesn't bother me. the player base does. How many of us have shut down CS or HL2:DM or whatever, when we've got headshotted 10 times in a row? Most. Bring on CTRL+Q. Bring on the "THIS ISNT BALANCED" Bring on the NERF NERF NERF and the 1337 H4><0R kids. CCP I hope you know what you're doing here. This is NOT the player base you want! The vast majority of Steam users are there because of Counter Strike. CS is the very .. anti-thingy opposite of what EvE is about! Eve is about patience and precision, not.. .oh why do I bother? More targets, I guess. A sudden influx of RL ISK. You get 500k subscribers... 200k quit after a month. The End. I R BE KING (and queen) OF CHEESE!
Plaetean Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:15:00 - [80] Originally by: Ix Forres EVE has approximately 250,000 users. Steam has approximately 13,000,000 users. Assume that 2% of that 13,000,000 playerbase tries EVE out. Suddenly EVE has more than doubled in required capacity. Expect the whole cluster to be on Jita-like levels of performance unless CCP has something up their sleeve. This is exactly the issue... the servers are bad enough as it is, but nearly double the load.... what on earth are they thinking. -----

Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:17:00 - [81] Edited by: Gamer4liff on 23/01/2008 01:21:56 Quit being babies, this is a match made in heaven. Also obligatory "I've been using steam for years and it has worked perfectly" post.
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:26:00 - [82] What the hell? People are babbling and gibbering about an influx of new players? New players are ultimately good for both the game and CCP. If you don't see why, then you may be required to wear the 'Tard Hat for a few days. Speaking of the 'Tard Hat, we already have plenty of 'tards in EVE as it is, who name their characters "darksephiroth12", blunder into gatecamps on autopilot with a hold full of faction modules, lose all their ISK playing the 0.01 game in Jita because they aren't smart enough to do it right, et cetera. I don't think a Steam release is going to change the overall percentage of 'tards significantly. ________________
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:30:00 - [83] Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn What the hell? People are babbling and gibbering about an influx of new players? New players are ultimately good for both the game and CCP. If you don't see why, then you may be required to wear the 'Tard Hat for a few days. Speaking of the 'Tard Hat, we already have plenty of 'tards in EVE as it is, who name their characters "darksephiroth12", blunder into gatecamps on autopilot with a hold full of faction modules, lose all their ISK playing the 0.01 game in Jita because they aren't smart enough to do it right, et cetera. I don't think a Steam release is going to change the overall percentage of 'tards significantly. Thats like saying more and more water is good for the human body ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Brennah Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:30:00 - [84] Originally by: Ralara Edited by: Ralara on 23/01/2008 01:17:18 Edited by: Ralara on 23/01/2008 01:15:34 CCP I hope you know what you're doing here. This is NOT the player base you want! Is their money [insert color of money in prospectives country]. If it is, then yes, it is the player base they want. Eve is a business and they are trying to expand, good for them. There are plenty of jackasses in eve just like there are plenty of jackasses on CS:S and DOD:S and TF2. There are also players like me that play eve and one of the above because they are different styles and I don't feel like playing eve every night. Some of those potential players don't know about eve and this is a good way to get the product out to them. The more people that subscribe to eve, the faster we get more cutting edge technology that CAN handle more players. The more people that play, the more CCP can profit for it, the more they will be able to reinvest in the game, and that means we get nice things. But please, continue ranting on how this is going to ruin "your" community that you for some reason believe is so much better than other game communities. Its not, it's just as rancid, elitist and ******** as any other, and your post and attitude towards people who play FPS' like CS just prove it Ralara.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:32:00 - [85] As long as we are not forced toi install some third party app or deal with another service for subscription tasks, then I'm all for it. More users means more resources CCP has to apply to Eve, although some of that will be used on other projects as well. Hopefully enough of those resources will be applied to Eve to deal with lag issues. However, the increased user load will likely push the lag problem along faster than the additional resources can fix it, if the current mechanics and architecture are maintained as is, simply because of diminishing returns. I'm all for Eve getting bigger, sign up the planet IMO - just make sure the game can handle it and keep away third party anoyances. The Real Space Initiative - V5 (Forum Link)
Panch0Villa Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:42:00 - [86] Egads! Lots of flame bait! /me dives into the deep end Quote: However, I'm certainly worried about the influx of FPS-n00bs that are bound to follow with its release. :S I can hardly see why this is a bad thing. It's not as if Eve is going to turn into FPS/twitchland, I don't see how this is even possible. Any twitchers are going to play the trial, get concordokkened, and delete Eve off their computer. Stop worrying about them. Quote: I don't know. The current hardware has trouble supporting the player base as it is, if putting eve on steam increases that by 15-20% it's really going to suck. Well if CCP knows whats good for them, they will buy bigger/better hardware. I don't think this is a bad thing. Just more ppl to shoot. There will always be problems supporting the extreme lag-fests, those aren't a matter of equipment, those will fill to capacity no matter what. If 100 ppl nearly crash a node, there will be 99 people fleet battles. If 1000, then 999 man wars. Quote: don't worry, i'm sure the constant complaints from 'vets' about 'noobs ruining eve' I find some truth in this statement. If anyone is scared of more competition, then it's only a matter of time anyways. If someone is ready and able to defend their turf, then they have nothing to fear. And come on ppl, don't you realize that it's a distribution deal? Patches will be dl'd from Steam servers, but CCP will nevar give their servers to Steam or anyone else. Servers = CCP. (If they know whats good for them)
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:43:00 - [87] The only thing I'd like to say is... CHANGE THE FRIKKEN INTRO MOVIE NOW!!!!!!!!1! Enough caldari already. Quit telling people that caldari are the strongest race. The Caldari emerged as the strongest state among them. Driven by the relentless pursuit of economic and military might If you're going to keep pursuing these things that are sure to dump tons more people into the eve universe, at least try to even up the appeal of each race in the intro movie. You don't even have to change the video part of it, just the words describing the races and get that hottie english chick back to redo the voice over (and gimme her phone number while you're at it). More here: Time for a New Intro Movie? But of course now you're just reading my sig...
roBurky StateCorp The State	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:47:00 - [88] Heh. There's people here worrying that everyone will be forced to play Eve through Steam, and there's me here worrying that I won't be allowed to play through Steam because I didn't buy through it. It's how things have worked in the past. You only get the convenience of Steam for a game if Valve got its share of your money. I've love it if this was different, but I'm doubting it.
Eamiela	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:53:00 - [89] Edited by: Eamiela on 23/01/2008 01:54:14 Originally by: Malcanis EvE has a free trial... so why would every steam user not try it? Erm... hate to remind you but Eve has a free trial available to everyone whether you have steam installed or not. Eve has been advertised and promoted before and there has never been a sudden dramatic game braking influx of new players. This game has grown slowly over the years and may it continue to do so! I dunno... I honestly can't see why people are whining about CCP advertising their game to a wider audience and the possibility of more people actually trying out this wonderful game? What's always with this "the end is nigh" attitude every time CCP do anything to their game ? Originally by: Malcanis Most of them will quit within a day or two because they're just not interested in the playstyle. Most of the rest will quit at the end of the 3-week trial. Most of the remainder will either cry that they can't "respawn" for free except in a noobship or cry because hi-sec isn't perfectly safe. You know a lot of people are actually capable of playing FPS and MMOs; we enjoy different styles of gaming. Sure you go on to say we might get some pvpers out of it, but really- I hate this attitude that just cos you play a FPS you wont "get" Eve. I came to Eve years ago having never played another MMO, pretty much solely from a FPS background. When I play CS or Battlefield etc im in the mood for quick straight to the action, instant gratification gaming experience and Eve when im in the mood for something I can work on and develop over a long period of time. Eve definitely wont appeal to every CS player but just because someone plays CS doesn't mean they can't "get" Eve.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:55:00 - [90] Um yeah, you snipped out the last part of that paragraph where I pretty much say exactly that. My point being that Steam-n3wbies = any other newbies. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.

Shamen DAB	Posted - 2008.01.23 01:59:00 - [91] Great, the server is going to die allot more... ______________ Originally by: Exortius Amarrus You are negatively impacting your alliance, please stop it.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.01.23 02:15:00 - [92] If this means more stupid people inside EVE, this is a stealth trader boost Not that it NEEDED a boost, but anyway. Go traders o/ 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Kurunto BN and W Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.23 02:31:00 - [93] I've been using Steam for a year now. No problems with it. Heck, I even made a shortcut to EVE in there to let people know i'm playing Eve and not bother me with matches etc.
MenanceWhite Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.23 02:49:00 - [94] When people in steam got to know this: Originally by: "Steamchat" Decoy is now playing EVE Online. Click here to sleep. --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Makhan	Posted - 2008.01.23 02:52:00 - [95] Originally by: Shamen Great, the server is going to die allot more... THE WORD IS A LOT, A GOD-DANGED LOT NOT ALOT, AND SURE AS HECK NOT ALLOT.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.23 02:56:00 - [96] Oh man, that's nice. Steam's gotten LOTS better since it came out. I was initially skeptical of the move to Steam, but I think it's proven to be a good idea. -Liang -- If it appears that my typing is lazy, I apologize. My hands/wrists hurt. Consider yourself warned. ^_^
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.23 03:06:00 - [97] Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 23/01/2008 03:07:03 Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 23/01/2008 03:06:40 Originally by: ToxicFire Thats like saying more and more water is good for the human body Excellent apples to oranges comparison there, sir. If you ever win the lottery or have an unexpected windfall, please send excess funds to me via PayPal. I wouldn't want your poor bank account to suffer from the leather equivalent of water intoxication, so that's the least I could do. ********************* Lag is only a problem in three areas of this game: ...1.) Jita, because people will keep going there until it crashes or CCP gets a supercomputer ...2.) Fleet battles, because people will keep going there until the node crashes or CCP gets a supercomputer ...3.) Outside stations in Motsu, where fifty Ravens can be seen pinballing off each other at peak times None of this is CCP's "fault", and none of it means we shouldn't continue to encourage new players to start playing. ________________
DirtyHarry Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.23 03:33:00 - [98] Steam is supercool +++ Please do not make false statements about forum moderators
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.01.23 03:41:00 - [99] Originally by: ToxicFire Edited by: ToxicFire on 22/01/2008 22:52:37 not gonna give more ammo to the flame tards Too late - already enough ammo. You've come across as a bit of a fool for posting something like that with no real reason or explanation. Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ... General Aesthetics Changes Thread
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.23 03:48:00 - [100] Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 23/01/2008 03:50:06 Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn None of this [Lag suff] is CCP's "fault", and none of it means we shouldn't continue to encourage new players to start playing. It's not my intention to derail the thread or "pick on" you, Ursula, so much as this idea about "fault". I do agree more players overall is a good thing, so long as the game can handle it. It is CCP's "fault", it's their design decisions that provides for these conditions to exist. Only they can fix it, best we can do is make suggestions, it is their responsibility to fix it and our choice to deal with it or not. Fixing lag by allowing lag to get so bad no one wants to do the laggy stuff is not a solution. That just leads to upset customers and bad press, neither of which are good for new or old players and bad for CCP most of all. The Real Space Initiative - V5 (Forum Link)

Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.23 04:02:00 - [101] Originally by: Adunh Slavy It is CCP's "fault", it's their design decisions that provides for these conditions to exist. Only they can fix it, best we can do is make suggestions, it is their responsibility to fix it and our choice to deal with it or not. I just don't think it's that simple. When CCP designed this game, they almost certainly didn't know how fleet dynamics would play out later on down the line. They designed the game mechanics, sure, but they had no way of knowing exactly how these mechanics would operate off paper. There was lots of stuff (that seems dead obvious to us now) they didn't really anticipate, such as people mining into jetcans or tanking CONCORD. They try to fix and address these issues as best they can without **ing too many players off in the process. EVE is like a... "living document" if you will. It needs amendments, just like the U.S. Constitution, and the designers can't always be shouldered with 100% of the blame for problems they had no way of anticipating. What I'm saying is that maybe NO ONE is to blame for some of these issues, and that the solutions might be extremely difficult to implement. CCP could change the rules of the game to nerf megafleets, but scores of people would be **ed off about it. They may want to get a supercomputer for real, but this probably takes planning, time, and money that they may not have right now. ________________
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.23 04:16:00 - [102] bah, you people are making a fuss over a glass of water. A) it doesn't say that EVE will require steam. don't know why CCP would make it require it, even if I never had trouble with it. B) "omg omg CS:S kiddies invasion! the sky is falling omg!"... Honestly, do you really believe on this? Ok the server MIGHT not handle with the influx of people, I agree, but that's it. How many of those CS:S kiddies will stay arround after they get ganked for the first time? So yeah, I don't believe that steam will be required to play EVE, and I believe that the increased influx of CS:S kiddies in EVE will only mean one thing: MOAR TARGETS! (besides the lag that is...) --- planetary interaction idea!
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.23 04:22:00 - [103] Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 23/01/2008 04:22:44 Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn I just don't think it's that simple. When CCP designed this game, they almost certainly didn't know how fleet dynamics would play out later on down the line. They designed the game mechanics, sure, but they had no way of knowing exactly how these mechanics would operate off paper. à They may want to get a supercomputer for real, but this probably takes planning, time, and money that they may not have right now. Oh yeah. Have to agree with what you say there. Perhaps a better word than "fault" is "responsibility". The Real Space Initiative - V5 (Forum Link)
Richard Phallus	Posted - 2008.01.23 04:24:00 - [104] Edited by: Richard Phallus on 23/01/2008 04:24:23 Originally by: Grimpak B) "omg omg CS:S kiddies invasion! the sky is falling omg!"... Honestly, do you really believe on this? Ok the server MIGHT not handle with the influx of people, I agree, but that's it. How many of those CS:S kiddies will stay arround after they get ganked for the first time? NOOOOoooOOOOOoooooOOOOOOooo. First eve becomes available on steam, then the CS kiddies come on for a trial, before understanding the game they have their parents credit card in hand. Subscription!! Now, the forums swell to whine levels never before seen. CCP at first ignores it and hopes(for a few weeks) that the new players will adapt and stfu. This never happens. On Steam + 23 days the marketing department within CCP becomes self aware, this new entity called OMGWOWNet, takes control of trinity, CCP offices, and not unlike the matrix, the devs themselves. Why won't you listen soylent wow is newbies! SOYLENT WOW IS NEWBIES!! --
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.23 04:27:00 - [105] Originally by: Richard Phallus Edited by: Richard Phallus on 23/01/2008 04:24:23 Originally by: Grimpak B) "omg omg CS:S kiddies invasion! the sky is falling omg!"... Honestly, do you really believe on this? Ok the server MIGHT not handle with the influx of people, I agree, but that's it. How many of those CS:S kiddies will stay arround after they get ganked for the first time? NOOOOoooOOOOOoooooOOOOOOooo. First eve becomes available on steam, then the CS kiddies come on for a trial, before understanding the game they have their parents credit card in hand. Subscription!! Now, the forums swell to whine levels never before seen. CCP at first ignores it and hopes(for a few weeks) that the new players will adapt and stfu. This never happens. On Steam + 23 days the marketing department within CCP becomes self aware, this new entity called OMGWOWNet, takes control of trinity, CCP offices, and not unlike the matrix, the devs themselves. Why won't you listen soylent wow is newbies! SOYLENT WOW IS NEWBIES!! let them whine. the pirates will have a field day I say, and the more CS kiddies come cry on the GD forums the more we will enjoy to put them down, and it will be the first time I'll appreciate the job that the empire gankers and all thos pirates will have. as I said: moar targets. --- planetary interaction idea!
Florio Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.23 04:32:00 - [106] Well done CCP! That's an exciting and major step! Who owns CCP? When star wars/trek/bsg/whatever offers you silly money to give them a virtual world, just please keep the eve galaxy going :)
Richard Phallus	Posted - 2008.01.23 04:55:00 - [107] Originally by: Grimpak as I said: moar targets. More targets of course, but you don't want the MOAR NERFS they'll bring.
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Plaetean Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.01.23 06:30:00 - [109] Originally by: Richard Phallus Edited by: Richard Phallus on 23/01/2008 04:24:23 Originally by: Grimpak B) "omg omg CS:S kiddies invasion! the sky is falling omg!"... Honestly, do you really believe on this? Ok the server MIGHT not handle with the influx of people, I agree, but that's it. How many of those CS:S kiddies will stay arround after they get ganked for the first time? NOOOOoooOOOOOoooooOOOOOOooo. First eve becomes available on steam, then the CS kiddies come on for a trial, before understanding the game they have their parents credit card in hand. Subscription!! Now, the forums swell to whine levels never before seen. CCP at first ignores it and hopes(for a few weeks) that the new players will adapt and stfu. This never happens. On Steam + 23 days the marketing department within CCP becomes self aware, this new entity called OMGWOWNet, takes control of trinity, CCP offices, and not unlike the matrix, the devs themselves. Why won't you listen soylent wow is newbies! SOYLENT WOW IS NEWBIES!! I agree, if CCP didn't actually listen to the whines I'd say bring it on but I think this will only be damaging to the game. -----
Norwood Franskly Minmatar Fleet of the Damned United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.23 06:49:00 - [110] Add me to the "I hope they don't make Eve steam only crowd" What is CCP going to do about the Mac and Linux users, since steam is a single platform piece of crap...

Plaetean Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.01.23 06:53:00 - [111] Originally by: Norwood Franskly Add me to the "I hope they don't make Eve steam only crowd" What is CCP going to do about the Mac and Linux users, since steam is a single platform piece of crap... I highly doubt they would, I think this is just aiming to make the game more accessible and widely known among other gamers. -----
Marlenus Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2008.01.23 06:59:00 - [112] Edited by: Marlenus on 23/01/2008 07:00:20 More newbies? More people mining in destroyers and cruisers, who think "helpless hauler flashing red, I'll shoot it with my rocket launcher" when they see an Ironfleet salvage vessel? What's not to like? But seriously folks, some of you sound like old farts complaining that somebody is letting kids steal your prune juice. Without regular influxes of new players, EVE will wither up and die. The STEAM deal is great news for anybody who hopes to still be playing this game a few years out. Me, I'm coming up on two years in the game. I just bought my first HAC. I'm finally getting enough skills to be (a little bit) dangerous (by empire-hugger standards). I love love love the idea of a bunch of new players. One of the ways online games begin to die is when all of the players are diehards who know exactly how to do everything. Then nobody ever does anything unexpected. Newbies are unpredictable and prone to doing spectacularly crazy stuff, bringing wealth and amusement to everyone around them. It's good news. Seriously good news. ------------------ Ironfleet.com Proposal: Automated Ore Return Vehicles
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2008.01.23 06:59:00 - [113] Originally by: Menkaure However, I'm certainly worried about the influx of FPS-n00bs that are bound to follow with its release. :S This could turn out to be funny and/or sad.
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2008.01.23 07:41:00 - [114] At least these new newbies wont be able to use polycarb'd HACs for a while! faction loot ║ affordable hosting
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.01.23 07:41:00 - [115] Will they prolong the "classic" trialperiod to 21 days too or is it just for steam?
Gone'Postal Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2008.01.23 09:26:00 - [116] \0/ Sweet. Steams improved so much over the last year? it's unreal. Nice move CCP, but for the love of god, don't give in to there forum *****ing like you do with the current playerbase CCP: Were like a clock upon a wall, Always moving but never going anywhere.
Lillian Meilleur	Posted - 2008.01.23 09:35:00 - [117] not that it would change any thing for us but personally i like steam. i dont understand why people have a problem with it. to me it is an easy way to acctually by games that i like. i know i know, strange concept, paying for games... i believe a good product warrants my monetary support. my work schedule does not permit me to buy games in a store and online order and delivery is problematic if you have a lazy post dude and you end up having to pick up every parcel from the post office any way.
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.23 09:38:00 - [118] Have they stopped the "you need to be connected to play an offline game"-madness at some point? Because that was what prevented me from buying Half Life 2 at the time... --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2008.01.23 09:41:00 - [119] i don't know, since i don't have an 'always on' broadband connection, i've been downloading the Steam client at 28.8k for the last five years. not really. i've got broadband, and so do you. [IMAGE REMOVED]
Gone'Postal Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2008.01.23 09:42:00 - [120] Originally by: Ogul Have they stopped the "you need to be connected to play an offline game"-madness at some point? Because that was what prevented me from buying Half Life 2 at the time... I think so, been a while since I tried tho. CCP: Were like a clock upon a wall, Always moving but never going anywhere.

McTecman GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.23 10:01:00 - [121] Originally by: Ogul Have they stopped the "you need to be connected to play an offline game"-madness at some point? Because that was what prevented me from buying Half Life 2 at the time... Yeah, Offline mode actually works now.
Kitarie II Marquie-X Corp Majesta Empire	Posted - 2008.01.23 10:10:00 - [122] imho, this is a smart move. it distributes eve on a way broader level than before. about the "cs kiddies" that will flood the server: do you honestly believe this will be the game they are looking for? cs is designed to be fast and repetitive. is that what eve is? no. skill trainings take long and before you can wtfpwnlulz solo anyone you have to invest quite some time... i believe that the typical cs player will last about 3 hours on the server, get bored and switch back to his fav game. --- My Videos: Noob on tour I Noob on tour II - not final
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.01.23 10:17:00 - [123] Awesome \o/
Laboratus Gallente BGG Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.01.23 10:34:00 - [124] Originally by: Malcanis ... Chance of steam causing me a lot of aggravation: low but significant Benefits of installing steam to me: zero. This. Is the truth. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Zeonos Amarr Fairtrade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.23 10:38:00 - [125] Edited by: Zeonos on 23/01/2008 10:41:23 as long as i don't have to start steam etc when ever i want to play eve, I'm cool with it. I'm not a huge fan of steam, have had many times where steam just wouldn't start, and that means that 25+ games (single as well as multiplayer) couldn't be played until a fix was found. and steam is so slow sometimes, so eve, keep your own servers! cause 2mb/s download owns! Look I Hijacked a sig!! -Kaemonn <3 Kaemonn -Zeonos A sunset with Kaemonn... how nice... -Wachtmeister In Eve-Online Forum Hijack Signature! -Ivan K This space is reserved for moderator hijacking, Need more colors! Red & Yellow & Pink & Green, Orange & Purple & ME! - Deckard My yellow pwns Deckard's fruity rainbow thingie anyday. BRING IT BABY! -Hango Black and pink 4tw however gold pwns -Eldo
Zeonos Amarr Fairtrade Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.23 10:41:00 - [126] Originally by: Ogul Have they stopped the "you need to be connected to play an offline game"-madness at some point? Because that was what prevented me from buying Half Life 2 at the time... nope, you have to enter EVERY single game on your steam list after a fresh install, in order to open offline mode... (25games+ go go...) Look I Hijacked a sig!! -Kaemonn <3 Kaemonn -Zeonos A sunset with Kaemonn... how nice... -Wachtmeister In Eve-Online Forum Hijack Signature! -Ivan K This space is reserved for moderator hijacking, Need more colors! Red & Yellow & Pink & Green, Orange & Purple & ME! - Deckard My yellow pwns Deckard's fruity rainbow thingie anyday. BRING IT BABY! -Hango Black and pink 4tw however gold pwns -Eldo
Oniko Sengir The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.23 10:49:00 - [127] \o/ well I'm excited. video
Lil'Red Ridin'Hood Snake Assault	Posted - 2008.01.23 11:24:00 - [128] Originally by: Kitarie II about the "cs kiddies" that will flood the server: do you honestly believe this will be the game they are looking for? Whether it's the game they're looking for or not doesn't bother me. Whether they're CS kiddies or not doesn't bother me, either. What does bother me, though, is that having more people log onto the server will do two nasty things to you: More "queue for login" screens, and more importantly, more lag. There's no way CCP can ramp up their servers in time to handle the likely increased growth if they can't offer lag-reduced servers right now. Sure, I'd love to see more players as they mean more targets, but all the targets in the world won't help if you can't get a lock on them under 2 minutes, let alone get your ship to turn that way within the same time frame. Furthermore, I'm pretty much anti-Steam, but that stems from years ago when it definitely was a pile of slow, buggy, data-sniffing junk. This may have changed, but I still resent Valve for introducing Steam.
Rheinkraft D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.23 11:27:00 - [129] The big question is will the server handle a faster rise in new users.... If it cant handle it now then opening the flood gates is a bad idea imo. Under The Black Flag Est 2004
Blosphere Malicious Intentions The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.23 11:34:00 - [130] This might also be a stealth nerf to macroers and bots creating accounts. Maybe this is that CCP just outsourced their automatic billing system because it couldn't cope or they couldn't make it nasty enough to catch bots making accounts with stolen credit cards (=big problem, killing such accounts costs money to CCP and doesn't bring any in). If this is true, I'm more than happy to see diminishing amount of bots spamming channels and gold farmers while having to use Steam to launch the game. --

Lindsay Fox	Posted - 2008.01.23 11:36:00 - [131] Wow, you can really tell who the glass-half-full/glass-half-empty people are around here. I think this is probably the best thing to happen to Eve since, well...ever. There may (will) be teething problems, the server may gag, but things will settle and we will have a much more interesting universe to live in. Can't see any downside, myself.

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2008.01.23 11:43:00 - [132] Yup, we're coming to Steam shortly, just another step in our plans for world domination. Wrangler Community Manager CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang "The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it."

Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.23 11:48:00 - [133] oh wait, its January but why use such primitive power sources such as steam? oh wait, vagabonds run on steam... STEAM HO!!!!!!!!!
Melor Rend	Posted - 2008.01.23 11:57:00 - [134] I detest Steam, Vivendi and computer games that require me to run effing thrid party spyware-clients to be able to login... I'm totally against this change!!! Epic fail, worst idea since NGE imho.... Please don't do it... I won't be accepting any EULAs for steam so either give us a non-steam version of EVE or run the risk of loosing customers that don't agree with the big-brother mode like in other steam titles such as HL2 (read the EULA and what they use your personal info for... nice way to collect statistical data while I play.... no thanks mates!) I'd rather see CCP being sold to SoE (ie. EVE dying) then working together with Vivendi/Valve.... bad bad bad
McAltyalty	Posted - 2008.01.23 12:14:00 - [135] Originally by: Melor Rend I detest Steam, Vivendi and computer games that require me to run effing thrid party spyware-clients to be able to login... I'm totally against this change!!! Epic fail, worst idea since NGE imho.... Please don't do it... I won't be accepting any EULAs for steam so either give us a non-steam version of EVE or run the risk of loosing customers that don't agree with the big-brother mode like in other steam titles such as HL2 (read the EULA and what they use your personal info for... nice way to collect statistical data while I play.... no thanks mates!) I'd rather see CCP being sold to SoE (ie. EVE dying) then working together with Vivendi/Valve.... bad bad bad Have you not read anything? And where did they say they would require Steam? Logical deduction is your friend sir, I'm betting theres a 99% chance that they will not require Steam for all the users. The people that dl and purchase Eve from Steam however might be forced to use it, but in that case only those that are willing to use Steam are forced to use it.
Caiman Graystock Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.23 12:15:00 - [136] Great news for CCP, this will surely raise EVE's profile. Just promise us you'll never force us to use Steam to log in to the game, otherwise I'm happy to see a new distrobution platform which has a pool of potentially millions of new users.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.01.23 12:21:00 - [137] Although I use Steam for other games, I'd rather be able to keep logging in to EVE without Steam. Hopefully this is how it'll work. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Nova Satar R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.01.23 12:34:00 - [138] More stress to an obviously already stressed hardware architecture (no flame tards, not the steam element, the extra exposure, every man and his dog signining up, omgwft 60k people on a hardware architecture that cant handle what is has now type stress) I like steam, i dont like this move tho, only time will tell how long it takes for it to bite ccp.. Notice the lag lately ??? and how it seems to, on a daily basis, be getting worse ?? the longer than usual downtimes (sure there meant to be an hour, but up until recently they been 15-25 mins early..a sign prehaps ??) oh well maybe someone will break something, and lots of people will quit (gving me there stuff first of course) and i can once again travel through jita, saila, aramachi, motsu...without the 5 min lag spikes...that is of course if i ever go back to empire carry on children
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.23 12:44:00 - [139] Edited by: ToxicFire on 23/01/2008 12:44:06 Originally by: CCP Wrangler Yup, we're coming to Steam shortly, just another step in our plans for world domination. Nominated for most useless post ever :P Would ya care to elaborate more than the press release, will steam be a required part of the new architecture, or will steam be simply an ADDITIONAL download and marketing platform having this kind of information will stop people having knee-jerk reactions over this like I did earlier in the thread. ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Tyleritus The Coalition Of Buccaneers Mercenary Services	Posted - 2008.01.23 12:46:00 - [140] Originally by: ToxicFire Edited by: ToxicFire on 23/01/2008 12:44:06 Originally by: CCP Wrangler Yup, we're coming to Steam shortly, just another step in our plans for world domination. Nominated for most useless post ever :P Would ya care to elaborate more than the press release, will steam be a required part of the new architecture, or will steam be simply an ADDITIONAL download and marketing platform having this kind of information will stop people having knee-jerk reactions over this like I did earlier in the thread. What He Said The Coalition Of Bucaneers Are Recruiting

Dred Tather Caldari Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.23 12:47:00 - [141] Originally by: Melor Rend I detest Steam, Vivendi and computer games that require me to run effing thrid party spyware-clients to be able to login... I'm totally against this change!!! Epic fail, worst idea since NGE imho.... Please don't do it... I won't be accepting any EULAs for steam so either give us a non-steam version of EVE or run the risk of loosing customers that don't agree with the big-brother mode like in other steam titles such as HL2 (read the EULA and what they use your personal info for... nice way to collect statistical data while I play.... no thanks mates!) I'd rather see CCP being sold to SoE (ie. EVE dying) then working together with Vivendi/Valve.... bad bad bad I guess you have never used steam then. Steam, unlike a lot of content delivery platforms does it RIGHT. Zero spyware, great bandwidth and plenty of games. That and a really awesome community system they have implemented. There are zero adverts bar theirs on the store page, (which is allowed as its a shop after all) and overall if your system is running trinity or eve well as of late, you wont see a performance hit. steam nowadays uses about 20mb of ram. That's really not bad for a content delivery platform. I'd trust valve with being able to deliver the game, and hope it helps EVE rise even further. [url=http://rkkb.casx.org/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=39756] [/url]
Paulson The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.23 12:55:00 - [142] I quite like this update. Makes my life easier as I can associate my Eve with my Steam account (I practically live in both when online) and it will make life easier for reinstallations as I upgrade quite often. Also the extra revenue from new players will be able to go toward the next big hardware upgrade so eve can be made to handle more players. =============================================== Are we there yet?
CyberGh0st Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.01.23 12:56:00 - [143] Originally by: Marlenus Edited by: Marlenus on 23/01/2008 07:00:20 More newbies? More people mining in destroyers and cruisers, who think "helpless hauler flashing red, I'll shoot it with my rocket launcher" when they see an Ironfleet salvage vessel? What's not to like? But seriously folks, some of you sound like old farts complaining that somebody is letting kids steal your prune juice. Without regular influxes of new players, EVE will wither up and die. The STEAM deal is great news for anybody who hopes to still be playing this game a few years out. Me, I'm coming up on two years in the game. I just bought my first HAC. I'm finally getting enough skills to be (a little bit) dangerous (by empire-hugger standards). I love love love the idea of a bunch of new players. One of the ways online games begin to die is when all of the players are diehards who know exactly how to do everything. Then nobody ever does anything unexpected. Newbies are unpredictable and prone to doing spectacularly crazy stuff, bringing wealth and amusement to everyone around them. It's good news. Seriously good news. QFT ! CyberGh0st aka Cyberwiz aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Retired @ DAoC / UO / WoW / SWG / LOTRO / Diablo I - II / Planetside / Entropia / Lineage / Guildwars / EQ
Laboratus Gallente BGG Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.01.23 12:57:00 - [144] Edited by: Laboratus on 23/01/2008 13:05:43 Meh. All my experience with steam have been negative, and after they orange box incident I'm done with valve. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Lil'Red Ridin'Hood Snake Assault	Posted - 2008.01.23 12:57:00 - [145] Originally by: Dred Tather I guess you have never used steam then. Steam, unlike a lot of content delivery platforms does it RIGHT. Zero spyware, ... [stuff] Have you ever used Steam?
Richard Phallus	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:03:00 - [146] Ugh. Please say using steam will be optional. --
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:04:00 - [147] Originally by: Paulson Also the extra revenue from new players will be able to go toward the next big hardware upgrade so eve can be made to handle more players. Sorry i have to say this because it keeps cropping up, Do you honestly think CCP is so short of cash that they're unable to upgrade the the hardware. Also there's a time delay after a large portion of new players join and CCP decides and what specs the new hardware needs to be built to, im not trying to be negative but the problem of growth and its demand on the servers is hard to predict so its extremely hard for ccp to decide what hardware and when to deploy it. ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Witchking Minmatar British Federation Sleepless Knights Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:05:00 - [148] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Yup, we're coming to Steam shortly, just another step in our plans for world domination. Apart from this single one line from a CCP Employee, don't you think the current player base desevres a more in depth explanation of this partnership with Steam, answereing some of the points raised in this thread ? wk.
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:06:00 - [149] Originally by: ToxicFire Originally by: Paulson Also the extra revenue from new players will be able to go toward the next big hardware upgrade so eve can be made to handle more players. Sorry i have to say this because it keeps cropping up, Do you honestly think CCP is so short of cash that they're unable to upgrade the the hardware. Also there's a time delay after a large portion of new players join and CCP decides and what specs the new hardware needs to be built to, im not trying to be negative but the problem of growth and its demand on the servers is hard to predict so its extremely hard for ccp to decide what hardware and when to deploy it. Well, the other thing being that they are already working on their next server upgrade: Infiniband support. --- MOZO
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:13:00 - [150] Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 23/01/2008 13:13:00 Originally by: Witchking ...don't you think the current player base desevres a more in depth explanation of this partnership with Steam... I don't. You get exactly what you deserve, an account and the ability to log in. In-depth discussions about the details of upcoming business decisions are normally reserved for stakeholders. Quote: ...answereing some of the points raised in this thread ? We've already answered it for you, but you're not listening. The points raised are dumb, and the people whining on this thread are acting like Chicken Little. -- They didn't say everyone will be forced to use Steam for EVE, they said they'll be offering EVE via Steam. Also, if you look at the track record for games offered on Steam, 99% of them are also downloadable elsewhere, just like EVE is now. Only Valve games REQUIRE Steam to play them. -- Whining about additional server lag just straight up doesn't deserve an answer. ________________

Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:13:00 - [151] Steam isn't that bad. Run eve voice through steam, and when eve crashes voice can remain. Maybe. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Karando Random Goods	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:15:00 - [152] Are you NUTS? Are we forced to use Steam now to play EVE? If so, WHY? Because it's part of your deal to force your customers to install useless **** they didn't need until now? Oh, and hooray, more dumb Counter-Strike kiddies are coming to Tranquility Oh I swear, I will be reporting Steam as a big bug every day if you have to get it.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:17:00 - [153] Damn, :( Just what we need, more people saying Pwnd!!!!!!!!!! NUB!!!! in local, Sighs
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:21:00 - [154] Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 23/01/2008 13:13:00 Originally by: Witchking ...don't you think the current player base desevres a more in depth explanation of this partnership with Steam... I don't. You get exactly what you deserve, an account and the ability to log in. In-depth discussions about the details of upcoming business decisions are normally reserved for stakeholders. By many business models customers are considered stakeholders what you may be thinking of is shareholders. But the guy is right, one of the things that's made eve so good has been CCP's relationship with its customer base and the back and forth between them. Unexpected decisions make customers jumpy what might happen next. ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:21:00 - [155] WOW! Ohmigod, we'll be forced to use STEAM! Ohnoes, more NOOBS on the server?! WTF, d00d? ************************* I'd rather have Counterstrike kids playing this game than people who: -- Don't read the OP or any of the thread -- Leap to several dozen baseless conclusions -- Say stupid things Obviously, there's no reason to view this thread anymore. It will now consist entirely of people posting rahashes of the same whines that started in the middle of page 1. ________________
Marshall Zhukov	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:31:00 - [156] Full STEAM ahead!! choochooo!! =)
McAltyalty	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:32:00 - [157] Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn WOW! Ohmigod, we'll be forced to use STEAM! Ohnoes, more NOOBS on the server?! WTF, d00d? ************************* I'd rather have Counterstrike kids playing this game than people who: -- Don't read the OP or any of the thread -- Leap to several dozen baseless conclusions -- Say stupid things Obviously, there's no reason to view this thread anymore. It will now consist entirely of people posting rahashes of the same whines that started in the middle of page 1. QFT
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:33:00 - [158] I'd just like to say that I doubt Steam will be required to play the game. --- MOZO

CCP Morpheus C C P	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:44:00 - [159] Steam will not be required to play EVE. It will simply be available via steam for those who want to play through that. Regards, CCP Morpheus

Armoured C Gallente Globaltech Industries Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:45:00 - [160] i am sure you can still use the client singually since they have been doing that for years now the nly games i have to use steam through is steam made games ...this isnt one of them althought portal was very coool i wonder if we can play portal 2 and half like 3 while we gate camp for numerous hours

Grimm Myn Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:45:00 - [161] Originally by: McAltyalty Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn WOW! Ohmigod, we'll be forced to use STEAM! Ohnoes, more NOOBS on the server?! WTF, d00d? ************************* I'd rather have Counterstrike kids playing this game than people who: -- Don't read the OP or any of the thread -- Leap to several dozen baseless conclusions -- Say stupid things Obviously, there's no reason to view this thread anymore. It will now consist entirely of people posting rahashes of the same whines that started in the middle of page 1. QFT This. Its as bad as the moronic fights between PC vs XBOX/PS. Please grow up and realise that other people have different opinions to you, ACCEPT IT (And no, accepting that someone has an opinion does not mean you agree with their opinion). Steam is another method to distribute EvE, it is popular and both companies can use each other. CCP get their product on a platform with millions of users, Valve get their first MMORPG and can use it for publicity and bragging rights. I can understand why Valve require you to have steam running when playing a game you downloaded via Steam...mainly due to licensing of the game and the destruction of piracy. [404] Signature not found.
StinkFinger Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:48:00 - [162] Personally, I think that steam should be classified as malware. It's a crap program that slows down your computer. As long as you're not forced to use it to play eve, I couldn't care less if eve is available on steam or not. But if I'm forced to use it, bye bye eve.... it's been a great 4 years. Originally by: Karanth That's like sitting on your hand till it goes numb, so it's like a stranger. It's not as satisfying, and I'LL know the difference.
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:51:00 - [163] Originally by: CCP Morpheus Steam will not be required to play EVE. It will simply be available via steam for those who want to play through that. Regards, CCP Morpheus ALL HAIL THE CCP Morpheus provider of sanity and sagely knowledge. ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:54:00 - [164] Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 23/01/2008 13:54:24 Originally by: StinkFinger Personally, I think that steam should be classified as malware. It's a crap program that slows down your computer. As long as you're not forced to use it to play eve, I couldn't care less if eve is available on steam or not. But if I'm forced to use it, bye bye eve.... it's been a great 4 years. Either it took you five minutes to write this post, or you didn't bother to read the thread, since a dev just posted to say that no one will need to use Steam if they don't want to. For which revelation I thank him profusely, since it'll kill half the... concerns. Secondly, Steam doesn't slow down my computer, I've never had trouble purchasing or downloading games from it, I've never had trouble patching or updating anything with it, and it's just in general been one of the most delightfully user-friendly programs I've used recently. Had it for at least the past two years now, no problems whatsoever. ________________
Grimm Myn Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:58:00 - [165] Originally by: StinkFinger Personally, I think that steam should be classified as malware. It's a crap program that slows down your computer. As long as you're not forced to use it to play eve, I couldn't care less if eve is available on steam or not. But if I'm forced to use it, bye bye eve.... it's been a great 4 years. That is YOUR opinion and PC. Ever think of getting off the 386DX? Anyone with an IQ above 50 would see why CCP and Valve are working together. Mutual benefit ftw :) [404] Signature not found.
Lil'Red Ridin'Hood Snake Assault	Posted - 2008.01.23 13:58:00 - [166] Originally by: CCP Morpheus Steam will not be required to play EVE. It will simply be available via steam for those who want to play through that. Regards, CCP Morpheus Awesome. Now, I only hope that Infiniband-thingy is up and running before the growth rate starts increasing.
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.23 14:06:00 - [167] Or they could move ALL lvl 4 agents to lowsec, that'll thin out the population in highsec a bit Be the Ultimate Ninja! Play Billy Vs. SNAKEMAN today!
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.01.23 14:25:00 - [168] Originally by: Ishina Fel Or they could move ALL lvl 4 agents to lowsec, that'll thin out the population in highsec a bit Why does this stupid idea keep popping up? Anyway, Steam is a pile of dung. Thank god it's not a requirement. /opinion The servers cannot handle a vast influx of new players. Something had better be done before tens of millions of active gamers are offered a very lengthy three weeks for free. /fact If not, then this is going to be like performing dental surgery without anesthetic. I predict lots of pain.
Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.01.23 14:48:00 - [169] Edited by: Sorted on 23/01/2008 14:48:34 Steam is a waste of time, badly designed - badly implmented and in this case completly pointless. Why use it to load EVE? extra resources used in teh background? wow - nice one. Steam is a steaming pile of **** and should be put down like a mangey old dog.
Gone'Postal Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2008.01.23 14:53:00 - [170] Originally by: Sorted Edited by: Sorted on 23/01/2008 14:48:34 Steam is a waste of time, badly designed - badly implmented and in this case completly pointless. Why use it to load EVE? extra resources used in teh background? wow - nice one. Steam is a steaming pile of ** and should be put down like a mangey old dog. Originally by:** CCP Morpheus Steam will not be required to play EVE. It will simply be available via steam for those who want to play through that. Regards, CCP Morpheus Guess you need to read the thread other then just jump on the bandwagon and flame away, well done muppet CCP: Were like a clock upon a wall, Always moving but never going anywhere.

ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2008.01.23 14:53:00 - [171] i honestly hope everybody who threatened to quit in this thread does go. hopefully it'll make some room for a better grade of gamer. remember to send all your stuff to 'ry ry', steamophobes. [IMAGE REMOVED]
LUH 3471	Posted - 2008.01.23 14:54:00 - [172] Originally by: Lucipher03 MORE NOOBS TO SHOOT AT, WOOOOHOOOO! this
Kuseka Adama Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.01.23 14:55:00 - [173] Edited by: Kuseka Adama on 23/01/2008 14:55:18 Originally by: CCP Morpheus Steam will not be required to play EVE. It will simply be available via steam for those who want to play through that. Regards, CCP Morpheus quoted for truth. READ BEFORE YOU RESPOND!
Richard Phallus	Posted - 2008.01.23 14:58:00 - [174] Originally by: ry ry i honestly hope everybody who threatened to quit in this thread does go. hopefully it'll make some room for a better grade of gamer. remember to send all your stuff to 'ry ry', steamophobes. No one who says they're going to quit ever quit, at worst the most upset ones take a training break with some rank 8 or higher level V skill set.
Valan The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.23 15:07:00 - [175] If I have to have Steam open while playing EVE then thats the end of EVE for me. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Maliendan	Posted - 2008.01.23 15:08:00 - [176] Originally by: CCP Morpheus Steam will not be required to play EVE. It will simply be available via steam for those who want to play through that. Regards, CCP Morpheus Thanks for the reassurance.
Gone'Postal Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2008.01.23 15:09:00 - [177] Originally by: Valan If I have to have Steam open while playing EVE then thats the end of EVE for me. OK last time I'm going to do this: Originally by: CCP Morpheus Steam will not be required to play EVE. It will simply be available via steam for those who want to play through that. Regards, CCP Morpheus READ THE FRACKING THREAD It's not that hard to do. CCP: Were like a clock upon a wall, Always moving but never going anywhere.
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.23 15:24:00 - [178] So, - EvE gets more advertised through Steam (Good) - Bunch of CS kiddies and other people with ADD sign up for something new with the discount (Hmmm) - Unable to grasp the complexity of EvE, they start mass whining on forums, threatening to cancel subscriptions, etc (LOL) - CCP gives in to player whines like they had before, and makes stuff easier and simpler (WTF?!) I play this game because it is tough and complex, not because i want something shiny and quick for the next 45 minutes i logged in. If CCP start dumbing down the game for the masses, there will be no interest left for me in this game == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2008.01.23 15:25:00 - [179] Originally by: hydraSlav So, - EvE gets more advertised through Steam (Good) - Bunch of CS kiddies and other people with ADD sign up for something new with the discount (Hmmm) - Unable to grasp the complexity of EvE, they start mass whining on forums, threatening to cancel subscriptions, etc (LOL) - CCP gives in to player whines like they had before, and makes stuff easier and simpler (WTF?!) I play this game because it is tough and complex, not because i want something shiny and quick for the next 45 minutes i logged in. If CCP start dumbing down the game for the masses, there will be no interest left for me in this game oh shut up. i'll bet most of the new players arriving are smarter then you. [IMAGE REMOVED]
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.23 15:48:00 - [180] Edited by: Grimpak on 23/01/2008 15:51:20 Originally by: Ishina Fel Or they could move ALL lvl 4 agents to lowsec, that'll thin out the population in highsec a bit before I would've agreed with this, but when I had to move out of one of the (very, very) few worthwhile agent running spots in low-sec because the place was camped by pirates 24/7 with multiple carrier support and whatnot, I start to see why they didn't move all the lvl4's to lo-sec. and it's not only on that particular system. you go to any system in lo-sec with lvl4's and you're bound to hit a pirate homesystem. Originally by: hydraSlav - EvE gets more advertised through Steam (Good) - Bunch of CS kiddies and other people with ADD sign up for something new with the discount (Hmmm) - Unable to grasp the complexity of EvE, they start mass whining on forums, threatening to cancel subscriptions, etc (LOL) - massive "EVE IS UNFEIR!!1one" postage followed by epic "CAN I HAV UR STUFF?" postage, together with lots of point-and-laugh, due to lack of grasping the concepts of nonconsensual PVP. (LOL+LOL = LULZ) fix'd --- planetary interaction idea!

Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:02:00 - [181] Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 23/01/2008 16:03:02 God forbid all those twelve-year-old Counterstrike players who use Steam start playing EVE. Because PC users in general, as a group, are far more intelligent and mature, have much longer attention spans, and don't at all go for first-person shooters and other instant-gratification games aimed at teenage boys. It's only once you get to that sub-group of people using Steam that you run into trouble. Seriously, you people sound like sheep. The first time an MMORPG expanded to another platform (or client base, if you will), aside from Mac of course, was when Final Fantasy XI released for the PS2. I was playing Final Fantasy XI at that time, and all the FFXI players sounded exactly like some of you people in this thread: "OMG, all these video game k1dz and n00bz are going to come in and RUIN THE GAEM!!!" When in fact, once it released, nothing of the sort happened. I've been there, done that, got the T-shirt. You guys are just straight-up being ignorant and bigoted about this "Steam users lolwut?" crap, for no good reason whatsoever. ________________
Frances Ducoir Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:09:00 - [182] Originally by: CCP Morpheus Steam will not be required to play EVE. It will simply be available via steam for those who want to play through that. Regards, CCP Morpheus this took a load of my mind... snip Signiture remoted because it contained profanity - hutch
Elison Muerte Caldari The Halibuts	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:16:00 - [183] i'm curious to see if we can get a new concurrent server population record with all the new people that will (hopefully) sign up, has it passed 40k yet?
Agent Li Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium BLACKHAWK FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:18:00 - [184] Originally by: Elison Muerte i'm curious to see if we can get a new concurrent server population record with all the new people that will (hopefully) sign up, has it passed 40k yet? We've been over 40k in early January. ------------------ Let me show you around. That's my lab table, and this is my workstool. And over there is my intergalactic spaceship. And here's where I keep assorted lengths of wire.
Grez Minmatar e X i l e Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:28:00 - [185] Join the EVE-Online Steam Communities group :) Linkage --- Have a rawr on me.
Kathryn Dougans B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:28:00 - [186] Going by the amount of Companion Cube and Cake is a Lie threads, indicating use of the Portal game, it seems that there are several Steam users here already. This means, of course, that Eve has already died, because Eve cannot handle the presence of Steam users. Ohnoes. Well, I suppose that's that then, isn't it? Who won Eve, by the way? I wasn't really paying attention to the score.
Lil'Red Ridin'Hood Snake Assault	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:35:00 - [187] ... can't wait to post "told you so" in lag whine threads once we're there. :)
Lysianna	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:39:00 - [188] Wow some of you guys are stupid to an incredible level. Seriously, before saying that an FPS community is composed of kids and such, you should do some research and notice that things have changed over the past few years. I'm an FPS person myself, infact I used to compete and even made some money by winning a few tournaments. My team is still up and running since Quake 3 and we are still all together having fun. Of course, now we just play for fun since we now have families and etc. So we tend to play a little bit here and there. Most of us are also here on EVE. Sure, you will meet the occasional idiot but overall, the FPS communities are consistent and solid with mature people. People should calm down and start thinking about the future of CCP and not just their little self. It's important for CCP to grow in order to deliver better and bigger expansions and also for the sake of World of Darkness.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.01.23 17:13:00 - [189] Originally by: Lysianna blah blah blah Honestly, who cares? It's not important what kind of people they are. Server stability is the biggest problem with this little venture. A problem that, without exception, affects everyone who plays. I just want to know how the server load is going to be addressed. Or if we're going to have to deal with login queues and ungodly lag for months on end. That is all.
StickyFingerz Dark Materials	Posted - 2008.01.23 17:21:00 - [190] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Yup, we're coming to Steam shortly, just another step in our plans for world domination. and where do you intend to put all these new people? hasnt it occured that new eden is already getting seriously crowded.

Sorted Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.01.23 17:33:00 - [191] Originally by: Gone'Postal Originally by: Sorted Edited by: Sorted on 23/01/2008 14:48:34 Steam is a waste of time, badly designed - badly implmented and in this case completly pointless. Why use it to load EVE? extra resources used in teh background? wow - nice one. Steam is a steaming pile of ** and should be put down like a mangey old dog. Originally by:** CCP Morpheus Steam will not be required to play EVE. It will simply be available via steam for those who want to play through that. Regards, CCP Morpheus Guess you need to read the thread other then just jump on the bandwagon and flame away, well done muppet I did read that it wasnt required. and my statement still stands. steam is a steaming pile of ****. muppet
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.23 17:34:00 - [192] Originally by: StickyFingerz Originally by: CCP Wrangler Yup, we're coming to Steam shortly, just another step in our plans for world domination. and where do you intend to put all these new people? hasnt it occured that hi-sec is already getting seriously crowded. fixed. altho I have to agree that lo-sec is not that profitable. --- planetary interaction idea!
McAltyalty	Posted - 2008.01.23 17:46:00 - [193] The more crowded high-sec gets the more attractive low-sec gets. It just has to reach a point where its more profitable to go to low sec and lose ships than compete for high sec ore with 6 people in each belt.

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2008.01.23 18:01:00 - [194] Please continue the discussion on EVE Online coming to Steam in this forum thread. Wrangler Community Manager CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang "The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it."



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