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Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.23 07:04:00 - [1] How to determine if your corp/alliance is indeed a pirate corp: find out how many characters are in said corp/alliance. Examine their security status and determine how many of those characters are -10 (for this exercise -9.9999 will suffice). If less than 75% of your corp/alliance members are -10, YOU ARE NOT IN A PIRATE CORP FFS. As you were. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
DarknessInc Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.23 07:20:00 - [2] :( Im only -9.999 Originally by: Viator Pilot Now I will go back to agents, already without the desire of adventures on the ass :)
Templer Relleg Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.23 07:20:00 - [3] How so? I dont think THAT many people are actually -9.999. Why? Rats on gates. If you take out a gang with ceptors and the like, your ceptors will get screwed over if you sit at a gate. So you kill those rats, thus increasing your sec status by a bit. So getting to -9.999 is hard. I think im like -9.96 or so. So by your definition, im not a pirate. Also, i think it was said at FanFest, that only 6 pilots was truely -10. So for your index to work, you should rather set the bar at -8(Maybe 9, as 9 isnt THAT hard to get to) or so.
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.01.23 07:23:00 - [4] I say it should be anyhting less than -9, because as other have said...rats on gates etc, hell we even have to pop mission rats from time to time to keep our ransomee alive anyways, my corp is a Pirate Corp Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.23 07:27:00 - [5] Originally by: Templer Relleg How so? I dont think THAT many people are actually -9.999. Why? Rats on gates. If you take out a gang with ceptors and the like, your ceptors will get screwed over if you sit at a gate. So you kill those rats, thus increasing your sec status by a bit. So getting to -9.999 is hard. I think im like -9.96 or so. So by your definition, im not a pirate. Also, i think it was said at FanFest, that only 6 pilots was truely -10. So for your index to work, you should rather set the bar at -8(Maybe 9, as 9 isnt THAT hard to get to) or so. Ok, I wasn't that clear. My intent wasn't to say that you have to be -10 to be a real pirate, just have reasonably low sec status. Heck, let's call it -9.0 or less. I just think that it's absurd to consider any corp with the majority of their players having higher sec status than -9 or so 'pirates'. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Inertial Blood Reavers	Posted - 2008.01.23 07:28:00 - [6] Edited by: Inertial on 23/01/2008 07:30:41 Originally by: Bellum Eternus How to determine if your corp/alliance is indeed a pirate corp: find out how many characters are in said corp/alliance. Examine their security status and determine how many of those characters are -10 (for this exercise -9.9999 will suffice). If less than 75% of your corp/alliance members are -10, YOU ARE NOT IN A PIRATE CORP FFS. As you were. Lol, I didn't know pirating had anything to do with stats at all. Quote: Noun pirate (plural: pirates) 1. One who plunders at sea; commonly attacking merchant vessels, though often pillaging port towns. 2. (Internet) One who reproduces copyright.... Quote: Noun Singular piracy Plural countable and uncountable; piracies piracy (countable and uncountable; plural piracies) 1. (nautical) Robbery at sea; taking a ship away from the control of those who are legally entitled to it. 2. A similar act of robbery, such as hijacking of an aircraft. 3. The unauthorized duplication of goods protec... Doesn't say anything about sec status in the dictionary. Here is the wikipedia definition of piracy: Quote: Maritime piracy, according to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) of 1982, consists of any criminal acts of violence, detention, or depredation committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or aircraft that is directed on the high seas against another ship, aircraft, or against persons or property on board a ship or aircraft. Piracy can also be committed against a ship, aircraft, persons, or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state. Now piracy is a act. A pirate would be a person who commits the act of piracy. A pirate ship would be any ships manned by pirates (Edited after reading the dictionary). A pirate corp would be a corp thats main function would be to organise and commit acts of piracy. * Reavers are recruiting
Templer Relleg Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.23 07:30:00 - [7] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Ok, I wasn't that clear. My intent wasn't to say that you have to be -10 to be a real pirate, just have reasonably low sec status. Heck, let's call it -9.0 or less. I just think that it's absurd to consider any corp with the majority of their players having higher sec status than -9 or so 'pirates'. I get your point. But isnt it more appropiate to call it an outlaw corp then? You can easily have a -9 standing across all in the corp. But isnt the term pirate used to describe people who ransom their victims? You can have a +2 standing, and ransom people, too! The general outline of what your saying i think is good. Its just the wording really. Yet, you cant really judge people from the average sec status. You need hauler alts aswell.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.23 07:33:00 - [8] Originally by: Inertial stuff Let me guess: your corp does something other than pirate in low sec? Flying around in 0.0? Empire wars perhaps? High sec ganking? IMO the defining pedigree in Eve for being a pirate is having extremely low (-9.0 or less) sec status. Anything else and you're just a hooligan or petty brigand. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.01.23 07:33:00 - [9] @ Inertial, We (general C&P public) have been around and around on the forums as to the "definition" of piracy. If the man (op) wants to have only people/corps with avg sec of -9 or less post here then so be it and at least respect the man's post instead of starting a 2 page tirade on what a 1000 people think the definition of piracy is. Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.23 07:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Arekhon @ Inertial, We (general C&P public) have been around and around on the forums as to the "definition" of piracy. If the man (op) wants to have only people/corps with avg sec of -9 or less post here then so be it and at least respect the man's post instead of starting a 2 page tirade on what a 1000 people think the definition of piracy is. The funny thing is (to me) Arekhon- I only posted this because I'm really bored (still looking for targets lol) and C&P has been kinda stale lately, so a good solid argument about some undefinable subject was in order. But yeah, go big or go home, -10 all the way! Yarrr. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.01.23 07:45:00 - [11] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Arekhon @ Inertial, We (general C&P public) have been around and around on the forums as to the "definition" of piracy. If the man (op) wants to have only people/corps with avg sec of -9 or less post here then so be it and at least respect the man's post instead of starting a 2 page tirade on what a 1000 people think the definition of piracy is. The funny thing is (to me) Arekhon- I only posted this because I'm really bored (still looking for targets lol) and C&P has been kinda stale lately, so a good solid argument about some undefinable subject was in order. But yeah, go big or go home, -10 all the way! Yarrr. well ok then I however will just step aside and watch, as I can't be arsed to argue this point anymore. Though tbh I would really like to see a list of corps with avg sec status -9 or less. Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2008.01.23 07:47:00 - [12] who cares if you are "officially" a pirate, especially when some random nobody is the one judging? PAK is recruiting!
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.01.23 07:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Inertial Doesn't say anything about sec status in the dictionary. Here is the wikipedia definition of piracy: Quote: Maritime piracy, according to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) of 1982, consists of any criminal acts of violence, detention, or depredation committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or aircraft that is directed on the high seas against another ship, aircraft, or against persons or property on board a ship or aircraft. Piracy can also be committed against a ship, aircraft, persons, or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state. Now piracy is a act. A pirate would be a person who commits the act of piracy. A pirate ship would be any ships manned by pirates (Edited after reading the dictionary). A pirate corp would be a corp thats main function would be to organise and commit acts of piracy. and if those peeps were playing eve they would have a negative sec status eventually reaching -9.??? Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.23 07:53:00 - [14] Originally by: Kehmor who cares if you are "officially" a pirate, especially when some random nobody is the one judging? LOL. I didn't expect the personal attacks to start so early, but allllrighty then! That really hurts, especially coming from such a catamite as yourself. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2008.01.23 07:55:00 - [15] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Kehmor who cares if you are "officially" a pirate, especially when some random nobody is the one judging? LOL. I didn't expect the personal attacks to start so early, but allllrighty then! That really hurts, especially coming from such a catamite as yourself. uhm do you even know what "catamite" means, or did you just want a fancy word? Either way it doesn't really fit in with your retort as i've probably been playing the game longer than you? (not logged in so cba to check) PAK is recruiting!
Dhejay Centrix Caldari Black Podding	Posted - 2008.01.23 08:09:00 - [16] lol Epic trolling
Inertial Blood Reavers	Posted - 2008.01.23 08:13:00 - [17] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Inertial stuff Let me guess: your corp does something other than pirate in low sec? Flying around in 0.0? Empire wars perhaps? High sec ganking? IMO the defining pedigree in Eve for being a pirate is having extremely low (-9.0 or less) sec status. Anything else and you're just a hooligan or petty brigand. Heh, I had to look up the word pedigree. Anyways. I would say that the defining pedigree in EVE for being a pirate is that you commit piracy, and piracy would be attacking someone for personal gain, or like I quoted: Quote: ...acts of violence, detention, or depredation committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or aircraft ... There can be several reasons for someone to have a low sec status. Some people attack their enemies everywhere they can. I know of several Foundation members who had extremely low sec status. As to your guess: My corps main intention is low sec piracy, but we are considering doing some empire wars, some 0.0 raiding, some other things. I got a alt that I am training towards HACs now (he is a couple of months older than my current main :P), who I will use in high-sec wars/hauling etc. * Reavers are recruiting
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.23 08:14:00 - [18] Originally by: Kehmor Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Kehmor who cares if you are "officially" a pirate, especially when some random nobody is the one judging? LOL. I didn't expect the personal attacks to start so early, but allllrighty then! That really hurts, especially coming from such a catamite as yourself. uhm do you even know what "catamite" means, or did you just want a fancy word? Either way it doesn't really fit in with your retort as i've probably been playing the game longer than you? (not logged in so cba to check) I know exactly what it means. Go google it if you're confused. Character age has nothing to do with anything. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Ursula LeGuinn Versus Gloria Omnis	Posted - 2008.01.23 08:15:00 - [19] Bellum: Born 2005.11.20 03:50 Kehmor: Born 2003.12.01 18:47 Ursula LeGuinn: 2007.12.12 21:27 <----- WINNAR \o/ To be fair though, I'm a returning player. ________________
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.23 08:28:00 - [20] Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 23/01/2008 08:18:49 Bellum: Born 2005.11.20 03:50 Kehmor: Born 2003.12.01 18:47 Ursula LeGuinn: 2007.12.12 21:27 <----- WINNAR \o/ To be fair though, I'm a returning player. Originally by: Bellum Eternus Character age has nothing to do with anything. Yeah, there's a guy in our corp whose character was born a week after the game released. He just reactivated his account a few weeks ago. BUT! Don't take that statement to mean I don't see your overall point, which is that playing the game longer doesn't necessarily mean you're better, wiser, richer, etc. I think he's referring to my use of the word 'catamite' and the implications it has with respect to someone's age. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Havoc G Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.01.23 08:29:00 - [21] Im -10 but whatever, didnt even read it all
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2008.01.23 08:30:00 - [22] Ok so now the definition of being a pirate is to "Tactically gimp yourself".. nice.
hellsknights RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.23 08:50:00 - [23] Well "piracy" does not mean you have to be -10 or negative at all. There are all kinds of "piracy" you can use the wardec system to complete acts of piracy without losing sec. But i get what the OP'er is saying, it's all about the outlaw status.
kessah Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.23 09:07:00 - [24] Bell can i have a special prize cause i think were all -10
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.01.23 09:09:00 - [25] I'm just a hoodlum flying in a hoodlum corp. We commit acts of piracy though. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Niffetin Gallente Omni Research	Posted - 2008.01.23 09:14:00 - [26] But how close are you ACTUALLY to -10? (securityRating:-9.9999999999999964) --- Teeheee!
Gradinger Todmacher	Posted - 2008.01.23 09:18:00 - [27] where do i get my "I'm a Pirate" - badge?
Belial Tempter Amarr Twisted Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.23 09:43:00 - [28] Edited by: Belial Tempter on 23/01/2008 09:43:32 OK, I know it's kinda OT, but seeing as I had to look up catamite, I thought I'd share the result for my fellow thicko's A catamite is the younger partner in a pederastic relationship between two males and was a popular arrangement in the ancient world, especially ancient Rome So there you go....sorry, carry on.
Atreides Horza No Fear Buccaneers	Posted - 2008.01.23 09:57:00 - [29] Edited by: Atreides Horza on 23/01/2008 09:57:58 Funny... Our sec status average is currently around -3.0, and I think you'd be able to find a fair few people who are willing to testify that we are indeed pirates. On the other hand, I could point towards a nice selection of all out flashy mofos, whose lives revolve around growing hemmhoroids at gates while popping everything that comes through. While that may constitute piracy to some, I see it as nothing more than doing a slightly more interesting lvl 4 mission... As is the case with beauty, what constitutes piracy IS in the eye of the beholder. Not that it rly matters...
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.01.23 10:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Atreides Horza As is the case with beauty, what constitutes piracy IS in the eye of the beerholder. Not that it rly matters... fixed it for ya Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]

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