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Jori McKie
Friends Of Harassment
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Posted - 2012.02.12 12:08:00 -
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I had found a sweet spot for occasiaionally LvL 4 mission running with my alt but i was a little disturbed about the local. 35 peeps in a system everbody would say in the boondocks is understatement. That made me curious and i checked the system and to my surprise there is an Ice Belt filled with Mackinaws. Sure i'm a lowsec pirate but i didn't know anything about highsec ganking so it was time for that experience. To have a slight challenge my goal was to find the smallest ship able to kill a Mackinaw in a 0.5 and 0.6 system and with the latest buff in Destroyer surely they would be a good candidate. So i started my own test runs, to determinate the EHP of different fitted Mackinaws and how many volleys of a specific weapon system could get fired until Concord will show up.
For my first gank i started with a 1400mm Arti fitting on a Typhoon and yep the Mackinaw popped and surprisingly the local dropped more or less instantly from 35 to ~15. You can draw your own conclusion for me it was a nice side effect. After some more runs i finally thought i determinated the fitting of a Mackinaw my Trasher, Cane and Tornado can and cannot handle in a 0.5 and 0.6 system. While doing the test runs i was thinking what would i do and how i would fit a Mackinaw to avoid being ganked randomly under the assumption that any ship is gankable even with a bloated tank. My first thought was proper tank fitted mackinaw, my second a fleet booster and miners obviously know about that option because of the Orca but are they using the Orca just to boost mining or more?
I was going to find out that soon. I was pretty confident about my knowledge in ganking Mackinaws and the other day i found my next target. A nice tanked Mackinaw to heavy tanked for my Trasher with Condord already in the belt and myself to lazy to get them i out, i jumped into a Tornado. Everything was in position and i fired the guns but something wasn't right that Mackinaw didn't die to my Alpha Tornado. I scanned the surviving Mackinaw again which was in half Armor to check if i missed something but no that fitting used to be gankable with my Tornado. Now i was really curious and i scanned the nearby Orca and hell yes that ship had fitted a "Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II" mod.
I smiled and left with the thought, why the hell not more miner just use their Orca for some extra tank boost. That boost gives you at least 2k extra EHP, enough to survive a solo ganker. A Tengu booster with a Mindlink and a good Mackinaw fit can get you up to 18k EHP (no imps) to gank that you need at least 2 Tornados. A booster isn't a small Investition skillwise but you need only one to boost at max 250 miner.
Why not more highsec miners get social and combine their resources to be more safe? Is highsec in this regard antisocial because there is no force to adapt and the result is solo running the PvE content (except Incursions) or are highsec peeps just refusing to adapt and insisting the rules have to change so they haven't to adapt the slightest? It is possible to adapt example is the guy which used his Orca to boost his tank. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
312
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Posted - 2012.02.12 12:12:00 -
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Jori McKie wrote:I had found a sweet spot for occasiaionally LvL 4 mission running with my alt but i was a little disturbed about the local. 35 peeps in a system everbody would say in the boondocks is understatement. That made me curious and i checked the system and to my surprise there is an Ice Belt filled with Mackinaws. Sure i'm a lowsec pirate but i didn't know anything about highsec ganking so it was time for that experience. To have a slight challenge my goal was to find the smallest ship able to kill a Mackinaw in a 0.5 and 0.6 system and with the latest buff in Destroyer surely they would be a good candidate. So i started my own test runs, to determinate the EHP of different fitted Mackinaws and how many volleys of a specific weapon system could get fired until Concord will show up.
For my first gank i started with a 1400mm Arti fitting on a Typhoon and yep the Mackinaw popped and surprisingly the local dropped more or less instantly from 35 to ~15. You can draw your own conclusion for me it was a nice side effect. After some more runs i finally thought i determinated the fitting of a Mackinaw my Trasher, Cane and Tornado can and cannot handle in a 0.5 and 0.6 system. While doing the test runs i was thinking what would i do and how i would fit a Mackinaw to avoid being ganked randomly under the assumption that any ship is gankable even with a bloated tank. My first thought was proper tank fitted mackinaw, my second a fleet booster and miners obviously know about that option because of the Orca but are they using the Orca just to boost mining or more?
I was going to find out that soon. I was pretty confident about my knowledge in ganking Mackinaws and the other day i found my next target. A nice tanked Mackinaw to heavy tanked for my Trasher with Condord already in the belt and myself to lazy to get them i out, i jumped into a Tornado. Everything was in position and i fired the guns but something wasn't right that Mackinaw didn't die to my Alpha Tornado. I scanned the surviving Mackinaw again which was in half Armor to check if i missed something but no that fitting used to be gankable with my Tornado. Now i was really curious and i scanned the nearby Orca and hell yes that ship had fitted a "Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II" mod.
I smiled and left with the thought, why the hell not more miner just use their Orca for some extra tank boost. That boost gives you at least 2k extra EHP, enough to survive a solo ganker. A Tengu booster with a Mindlink and a good Mackinaw fit can get you up to 18k EHP (no imps) to gank that you need at least 2 Tornados. A booster isn't a small Investition skillwise but you need only one to boost at max 250 miner.
Why not more highsec miners get social and combine their resources to be more safe? Is highsec in this regard antisocial because there is no force to adapt and the result is solo running the PvE content (except Incursions) or are highsec peeps just refusing to adapt and insisting the rules have to change so they haven't to adapt the slightest? It is possible to adapt example is the guy which used his Orca to boost his tank.
YAWN
This is so far off the mark on so many points it's an obvious troll. Wow.
See my post about getting rid of these useless Forums...... OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2012.02.12 12:29:00 -
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Quite an insightful and thoughtful post on the dynamics of suicide ganking. Ignore the minebeartards - they have nothing useful to contribute as the very thought of people playing dynamically in a sandbox game leaves them frothing at the mouth.
+1
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ISD Eshtir
Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.02.12 12:35:00 -
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Off topic remarks removed, if you do not want to contribute to a thread, just dont post at all. ISD Eshtir Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2012.02.12 12:35:00 -
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For the orca it can use 3 links. Which 2 are useful for mining and it leaves 1 left. It would be smart to use that for extra tank. But alot of miners dont like to use tanks and would have to for that to work. After that it is more SP to level the siege warfare link, and everyone usually needs more SP, so that could be tricky.
Otherwise nice to know and now fear the tornados or talos. Signature removed, CCP Phantom |

Tore Vest
207
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Posted - 2012.02.12 12:51:00 -
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Jori McKie wrote: the local dropped more or less instantly from 35 to ~15. . Do bots have a setting for that ? Highsec carebear... and proud of it |

Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
319
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Posted - 2012.02.12 13:12:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:Jori McKie wrote: the local dropped more or less instantly from 35 to ~15. . Do bots have a setting for that ?
Yeah humans wouldn't quit at all they would just stay there to be ganked, so definitely must be bots. I love your logic. |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
802
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Posted - 2012.02.12 13:17:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Tore Vest wrote:Jori McKie wrote: the local dropped more or less instantly from 35 to ~15. . Do bots have a setting for that ? Yeah humans wouldn't quit at all they would just stay there to be ganked, so definitely must be bots. I love your logic.
This
And also: Tritanium becomes the golden eggs at this very right moment gents so yes keep ganking, the less tritanium will be on market the less titans they will build, at higher prices you'll sell your ships and mods.
Excellent. As soon as the ganker start paying his T1 destroyer about 15/20 M Tornados 150/200M with no fittings they will start mining them selves witch would be hilarious  |

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2012.02.12 13:25:00 -
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If they could adapt, they would either stop mining all together or if they really want minerals, they would gunmine against drones. |

Jori McKie
Friends Of Harassment
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Posted - 2012.02.12 13:33:00 -
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I have no clue, if those guys were actual humans or bots. Any human who paid attention would have seen the message and would have known it' not safe anymore at the latest when they saw the Mackinaw wreck but how many human miners pay attention when they mine? The same can be said about bots not every bot user has set his bot to dock/log out if....... After my ganking run i check the system from time to time with another alt and i never saw local above 35 anymore even not on Sundays and when i log in my ganking alt the local drops at least 3 or more peeps instantly. Lasting effect i would say. |

Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
469
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Posted - 2012.02.12 15:56:00 -
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tl;dr OP statement
After having seen easy and actually having difficult in destroying one useless ship which should not exist in game other then to bloat killboards and pad egos, I shall now use extra firepower to overcome that slight buffer. I will win, again, again, and again...because exhumers have tight fightings constraints, lack of low/mid slots for tank / +mining mods in the lows....I will never lose 
That pretty much sums it up. One adapts, the other will adapt and the mining vessels will always be on the bottom losing end of the pool...because they are very easy to kill, cost to high, and destroyed by ships a fraction of the value while having the shittiest payout in isk/hour in game (always lose/lose to be a miner). Hulks/Macks ect need an overhaul so they can fit an adequate tank in the mids + scan module, maybe get rid of those +mining amount modules in the lows which should instead be another skill that gives straight bonus to mining amount, and give it an internal ore only bay (12km3) along with a 500m3 standard bay for crystals (in a sense, its like freighter with high slots and mini-orca bay- sucks up rocks, no expandable cargobay bay). |

Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2012.02.12 16:44:00 -
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Not sure what you are saying.
Even with a Orca boost it is still very easy to gank a mack. Were talking about a ship that only has what 11 - 13k EHP.
With a Hulk you might get up to 27k EHP.
If somebody wants to gank you they will and there is very little you can do.
When I mine I always watch local and d-scan and fit my ships with a balance of Tank and mining yield.
So far touch wood I have not been ganked in a very long time but if I was I would just shrug my shoulders and carry on, no point crying about it as **** happens.
As Aqriue said, mining vessels will always be on the losing end simply because there is only so much you can do, were as all the gankers have to do is field 1 more cheap dessie.
But this is Eve and if you can not accept that then go play another game. |

Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
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Posted - 2012.02.12 17:00:00 -
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You make me want to self-harm The pie is a tautology |

Mike712
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.12 17:09:00 -
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If you have an orca/hauling alt, I really don't understand why anyone wold mine in a hulk.
[Rokh, Mining Rokh] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Co-Processor II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Survey Scanner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II
Large Drone Mining Augmentor II Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I
Mining Drone II x5
That does pretty much the same m^3 as a hulk, but would take 7 or more nadoes to gank, why do people use hulks...seriously? |

gfldex
317
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Posted - 2012.02.12 17:47:00 -
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Mike712 wrote:If you have an orca/hauling alt, I really don't understand why anyone wold mine in a hulk.
Are we still talking about ice mining?
The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |

Ioci
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2012.02.12 18:43:00 -
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Macki is the exception. As everyone has pointed out, all ships can be suicided and for a barge the colst is much lower than the loss so you build your ISK loss/ killed stats on the killmail farming sites no matter how you do it. With mining I can fit a Veld Domi and mine pretty decent amounts of Trit. Ice, it's barge or bust and the cycle times mean even if you bail on trouble, they have no trouble preventing you from mining. If the root goal is to bankrupt you, keeping you docked up is as effective as blowing up your Macki. It's Lose/ Lose/ Lose for the ice miner. |

Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector
113
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Posted - 2012.02.12 19:17:00 -
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There's always an arms race. Expecting it to always be the same for you is unrealistic. For BOTH sides.
Hell. In alliance mining ops, I always noticed my shield going up when the orca's boosts go on. And if you have a dedicated booster separate from the hauler, why not just use a command ship or T3 as booster?
This goes for you gankers as well. Gang links! |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
312
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Posted - 2012.02.12 19:17:00 -
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Mike712 wrote:If you have an orca/hauling alt, I really don't understand why anyone wold mine in a hulk.
[Rokh, Mining Rokh] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Co-Processor II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Survey Scanner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II
Large Drone Mining Augmentor II Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I
Mining Drone II x5
That does pretty much the same m^3 as a hulk, but would take 7 or more nadoes to gank, why do people use hulks...seriously?
Way way way WAY less than a hulk.
Another Forum Lie.
AND....that idiotic ship cannot mine Ice !!  OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
312
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Posted - 2012.02.12 19:22:00 -
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NO ship in EVE is safe....not even a Titan.
I'm just sayin'. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
312
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Posted - 2012.02.12 19:26:00 -
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Also, if you know your neighborhood, check Local often.....D-scan is USELESS in High Sec......equip Mack with Combat or ECM Drones and shoot out Large Shield Repair Drones from the Orca....and take off when a Brutix appears in system: one can safely survive if not untouched, with at least structure left. No excuse not to be doing these things anyway. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
399
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Posted - 2012.02.12 19:42:00 -
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Mike712 wrote:If you have an orca/hauling alt, I really don't understand why anyone wold mine in a hulk.
[Rokh, Mining Rokh]
That's an excellent fit if you want 10x less cargo and much less productivity for ore mining. So not only do you kill your cycle/extraction rates but now you've introduced 10x more travel time if you're not part of a fleet who can offload the ore for you. But then jetcan mining introduces a whole set of other issues specific to flipping.
So your suggestion, while applicable isn't very practical. Miners are left with either low productivity and massive theft or high productivity + travel times for offloads + suicide ganks.
But try putting ice harvesters on that.....ooops.....can't. Miners are still fixed to barges which can't be adequately tanked without massively ganking their productivity.
Since mining is the LEAST paying occupation in New Eden it's disingenuous to tell them to take a decreased paycheck for what essentially is a net zero gain when tanking. The gankers will just up their DPS which with the new BC's is easily accomplished and for far cheaper than either the Mack or the Hulk.
Miners fail to adapt because they cannot adapt in the way that gankers can. There literally aren't the options available to them for which the gankers have a plethora. The only way in which the miners could adapt is for CCP to either manipulate mineral prices to make it more profitable so that non-barge mining vessels become more attractive even with their multiple disadvantages or CCP produces mining barges capable of more tank. The current barges are wet paper bags. Even tanked it's still a moist paper bag.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
266
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Posted - 2012.02.12 19:58:00 -
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Tanking a mack is an exercise of futility.
All you get is less efficiency all the time, while the suicide ganker will just need to bring in 1 more thrasher / catalyst for those 10 seconds he needs.
Just put the loss of some ships per year in the balance sheet as "operating costs" and be done with it.
Jori McKie wrote:I have no clue, if those guys were actual humans or bots. Any human who paid attention would have seen the message and would have known it' not safe anymore at the latest when they saw the Mackinaw wreck but how many human miners pay attention when they mine? The same can be said about bots not every bot user has set his bot to dock/log out if....... After my ganking run i check the system from time to time with another alt and i never saw local above 35 anymore even not on Sundays and when i log in my ganking alt the local drops at least 3 or more peeps instantly. Lasting effect i would say.
I'll give you several clues.
Why does anyone mine? Certainly not for the fat income. In fact it's because it's as close to a passive activity as it gets, only rivalled by BPO research and PI. Therefore people who can spare a PC at the office or wherever, can just recycle their research / PI / invention / datacore alts into something using the same stats: mining (the alternative is to leave them rot inside a station).
Now, "passive" means that the miner - expecially the ice miner - really do that. Therefore they warp a mack to a belt, turn on the lasers and then go away / alt tab + play another MMO or just watch TV / paint try (both more interesting than mining). When the mining noise ends - after 13-18 minutes later, the guy alt tabs back and goes to empty the ship and restart.
Therefore here it is the explanation why they are not *that* reactive when you talk to them: they are just not there.
And no, they don't care if they get 1 ship popped a month, watching TV / paint dry is still much better. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
312
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Posted - 2012.02.12 20:09:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Tanking a mack is an exercise of futility.
All you get is less efficiency all the time, while the suicide ganker will just need to bring in 1 more thrasher / catalyst for those 10 seconds he needs.
Just put the loss of some ships per year in the balance sheet as "operating costs" and be done with it.
Yup....this.....and Shield Repair Drones and FLEEING are about it. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
266
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Posted - 2012.02.12 20:10:00 -
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Read above so you can read why a miner won't timely launch any kind of drone. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
312
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Posted - 2012.02.12 20:12:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Read above so you can read why a miner won't timely launch any kind of drone.
Can't find what you are referring to.
But I think I KNOW what you are referring to.
The Drones should already be out and repairing the Mack anyway all the time while mining. No need to have them 'waiting' in the hold for an emergency. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

baltec1
589
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Posted - 2012.02.12 20:42:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:Jori McKie wrote: the local dropped more or less instantly from 35 to ~15. . Do bots have a setting for that ?
Theres an app for that |

David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
301
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Posted - 2012.02.12 23:57:00 -
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Jori McKie wrote:I had found a sweet spot for occasiaionally LvL 4 mission running with my alt but i was a little disturbed about the local. 35 peeps in a system everbody would say in the boondocks is understatement. That made me curious and i checked the system and to my surprise there is an Ice Belt filled with Mackinaws. Sure i'm a lowsec pirate but i didn't know anything about highsec ganking so it was time for that experience. To have a slight challenge my goal was to find the smallest ship able to kill a Mackinaw in a 0.5 and 0.6 system and with the latest buff in Destroyer surely they would be a good candidate. So i started my own test runs, to determinate the EHP of different fitted Mackinaws and how many volleys of a specific weapon system could get fired until Concord will show up.
For my first gank i started with a 1400mm Arti fitting on a Typhoon and yep the Mackinaw popped and surprisingly the local dropped more or less instantly from 35 to ~15. You can draw your own conclusion for me it was a nice side effect. After some more runs i finally thought i determinated the fitting of a Mackinaw my Trasher, Cane and Tornado can and cannot handle in a 0.5 and 0.6 system. While doing the test runs i was thinking what would i do and how i would fit a Mackinaw to avoid being ganked randomly under the assumption that any ship is gankable even with a bloated tank. My first thought was proper tank fitted mackinaw, my second a fleet booster and miners obviously know about that option because of the Orca but are they using the Orca just to boost mining or more?
I was going to find out that soon. I was pretty confident about my knowledge in ganking Mackinaws and the other day i found my next target. A nice tanked Mackinaw to heavy tanked for my Trasher with Condord already in the belt and myself to lazy to get them i out, i jumped into a Tornado. Everything was in position and i fired the guns but something wasn't right that Mackinaw didn't die to my Alpha Tornado. I scanned the surviving Mackinaw again which was in half Armor to check if i missed something but no that fitting used to be gankable with my Tornado. Now i was really curious and i scanned the nearby Orca and hell yes that ship had fitted a "Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II" mod.
I smiled and left with the thought, why the hell not more miner just use their Orca for some extra tank boost. That boost gives you at least 2k extra EHP, enough to survive a solo ganker. A Tengu booster with a Mindlink and a good Mackinaw fit can get you up to 18k EHP (no imps) to gank that you need at least 2 Tornados. A booster isn't a small Investition skillwise but you need only one to boost at max 250 miner.
Why not more highsec miners get social and combine their resources to be more safe? Is highsec in this regard antisocial because there is no force to adapt and the result is solo running the PvE content (except Incursions) or are highsec peeps just refusing to adapt and insisting the rules have to change so they haven't to adapt the slightest? It is possible to adapt example is the guy which used his Orca to boost his tank.
tl'dr version:
i need to pad my killboard by ganking mackinaws.... nothing new to see here 
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Duvida
The Scope Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.02.13 00:26:00 -
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This was actually constructive. I was expecting a 'how dare people like something that I don't like' thread, but not something as well put together as this. (Even though I'd be on the receiving end of the gank)
One thing, I didn't think that someone could use their own armor and shield drones on their own ship? At least I haven't seen it done. On someone else's ship, I could see that in a mining operation. |

Jori McKie
Friends Of Harassment
7
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Posted - 2012.02.13 00:57:00 -
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David Grogan wrote:tl'dr version: i need to pad my killboard by ganking mackinaws.... nothing new to see here 
Mabye i didn't made it clear, i ganked with my mission running alt not with my main (this char) that was about 3weeks ago. I don't take part in the ganks my corp mates currently doing, they are on their own mission. I will leave the rest for you to figure out yourself.
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leich
Sad Panda'z Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
15
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Posted - 2012.02.13 00:58:00 -
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as a ganker i would say please adapt.
The harder your make it for me to kill you the more challange you provide the more enjoyable the ganking is.
Ive mentioned this before in other posts currently i think it is a little to easy. You can jump in from low sec warp to a belt and catch not only the miner but his pod.
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