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cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.01.28 21:21:00 -
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Join Muffin Factory
 Originally by: Kehmor
Corp: PAK
But ye, I guess we suck pretty hard.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.28 21:31:00 -
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yes, ccp wont do anything about it.
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Xavier Korg
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Posted - 2008.01.28 21:31:00 -
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Uh, is that where your friends say 'now' n then some ppl appear and then some body gets blown up?
It's genius..
Though I can see the problem and I don't think they should be legal..
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Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
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Posted - 2008.01.28 21:32:00 -
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They've always been legal you tool. CCP cannot dictate when you play the game.
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cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.01.28 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ivor Gunn
They've always been legal you tool. CCP cannot dictate when you play the game.
hey you brainless person ccp has said a year or so back they wheren't legal but then again your a noob so...
Join Muffin Factory
Originally by: Kehmor
Corp: PAK
But ye, I guess we suck pretty hard.
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2008.01.28 21:43:00 -
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Don't think you could prove it was a logon trap even if it wasn't allowed.
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Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
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Posted - 2008.01.28 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
hey you brainless person ccp has said a year or so back they wheren't legal but then again your a noob so...
CCP have never said logon/off traps were illegal. They have in fact stated on multiple occasions that it is perfectly within the bounds of the game. Obviously, though, because you think i'm a noob, i'm automatically wrong. However, you can feel free to check with the GMs yourself to confirm what i'm saying. I'd post the petitions i've done myself, but posting GM correspondence is against the rules.
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Larg Kellein
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.28 21:54:00 -
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It's incredibly lame, but how would you enforce a ban on it? You can't dictate when people can and can't log in to the game. Logoffski could at least be somewhat remedied through messing about with the timers, but I really can't see a way to do that for the other way around.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.28 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
Originally by: Ivor Gunn
They've always been legal you tool. CCP cannot dictate when you play the game.
hey you brainless person ccp has said a year or so back they wheren't legal but then again your a noob so...
And then they introduced the "warp out" mechanic when you log off so that there's now a time delay between logging in and actually getting in on a gank. And then suddenly everything was okay again.
Not a cool technique, but yes as far as I know entirely allowed.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.01.28 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
Originally by: Ivor Gunn
They've always been legal you tool. CCP cannot dictate when you play the game.
hey you brainless person ccp has said a year or so back they wheren't legal but then again your a noob so...
That attitude will surely get you the responses you want!
Er...what kind of responses do you want?
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Ishan Mons
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.28 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ivor Gunn
They've always been legal you tool. CCP cannot dictate when you play the game.
just like how you are allowed to kill someone in empire with a Black Ops BS and then jump to low-sec/no sec to avoid getting concorded... oh wait...
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Beef Hardslab
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.28 22:48:00 -
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gief stuffs
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.01.28 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad
Don't think you could prove it was a logon trap even if it wasn't allowed.
This guy has the only relevant point.
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.01.28 22:51:00 -
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I've never used a logon trap myself, but I'm actually kinda glad they exist.
They provide a way for people to actually launch an ambush. As the game is now, Local makes launching an ambush basically impossible, even if all the participating ships gimp themselves by equipping cloaking devices.
Don't get me wrong... I'm not one of the loonies who thinks Local should be removed, at least not until it's replaced with an equivalent (but not omnipotent) intelligence-gathering tool.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.01.28 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Ulstan on 28/01/2008 23:05:09
It doesn't even matter if it's technically not allowed. Trying to enforce such a policy would be completely impossible.
How would they 'prevent' log on traps? What standards of proof would be required before a bunch of people logging on at a similar time was judged a 'logon trap'?
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.01.28 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan
Edited by: Ulstan on 28/01/2008 23:05:09
It doesn't even matter if it's technically not allowed. Trying to enforce such a policy would be completely impossible.
How would they 'prevent' log on traps? What standards of proof would be required before a bunch of people logging on at a similar time was judged a 'logon trap'?
Clearly, CCP should just monitor all Ventrilo/Teamspeak connections using an advanced speech recognition system coupled with a Bayes classifier to determine whether any fleet commanders are initiating in logon traps. ITS NOT THAT HARD GET TO IT CCP!!!!!!!!1
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Valan
The Fated
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.28 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ivor Gunn
Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
hey you brainless person ccp has said a year or so back they wheren't legal but then again your a noob so...
CCP have never said logon/off traps were illegal. They have in fact stated on multiple occasions that it is perfectly within the bounds of the game. Obviously, though, because you think i'm a noob, i'm automatically wrong. However, you can feel free to check with the GMs yourself to confirm what i'm saying. I'd post the petitions i've done myself, but posting GM correspondence is against the rules.
I thought CCP did a u-turn on this one. They said it was an exploit then pretty much said they weren't going to enforce it.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.01.28 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ursula LeGuinn
I've never used a logon trap myself, but I'm actually kinda glad they exist.
They provide a way for people to actually launch an ambush. As the game is now, Local makes launching an ambush basically impossible, even if all the participating ships gimp themselves by equipping cloaking devices.
Don't get me wrong... I'm not one of the loonies who thinks Local should be removed, at least not until it's replaced with an equivalent (but not omnipotent) intelligence-gathering tool.
The above seems to be the only relevant reasoning. CCP could have easily gimped login traps if they decided the tactic to be exploitative.
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Ishan Mons
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.28 23:25:00 -
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actually not that hard to enforce thanks to kill mails assuming CCP has logs of where/when you login... if you suspect you have been the victim of a logon trap you report it. Then CCP looks at the logs for the ships that are in your kilmail... and if they all happened to log in right where you were than that would be a login trap and all guilty parties would get a vacation. I think login traps should be illegal.
What they should do is make it so you can setup ambushes with cloaking devices(and all the penalties of having them equiped) instead of the UBER-Cloak known as logged out where the only penalty is you cant move, and have the bonus of not showing up in local, plus if an overwhelming force appears you simply dont log in.
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Ungdall
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.28 23:31:00 -
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Banning it would be idiotic, It's an ambush, plain and simple.
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.01.28 23:32:00 -
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Here is what I've heard:
1) CCP can't dictate when people log on/off
2) You may still get reimbursed if you are the victim of this tactic
/makes fart noise
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.01.28 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ishan Mons
I think login traps should be illegal.
What they should ...
Thankfully, you are not CCP.
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.01.28 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ungdall
It's an ambush, plain and simple.
I disagree. There is more to think about. Logging in and out of Eve is not part of gameplay. What you're doing is taking something that is outside of the game and using it to influence in game events. Where to draw the line? I have no idea. But to call it a simple ambush tactic is shortsighted.
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Mark Interiis
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Posted - 2008.01.28 23:52:00 -
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Following this string of arguments harrasing a person in real life to prevent him from helping his ingame friends would also count as a mere ambush. When out of game affects ingame something's wrong.
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Ogul
Caldari
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.29 00:03:00 -
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No they are not legal. You should report anyone using them to your nearest police station.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.01.29 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mark Interiis
Following this string of arguments harrasing a person in real life to prevent him from helping his ingame friends would also count as a mere ambush. When out of game affects ingame something's wrong.
Any idiot can poast on teh intrawebz.
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Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2008.01.29 00:27:00 -
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AFAIK its illegal but they can rarely prove for sure thats what it was. Apparently the rules for reimbursement are more lax, though.
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Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
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Posted - 2008.01.29 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Valan
I thought CCP did a u-turn on this one. They said it was an exploit then pretty much said they weren't going to enforce it.
If you can find me an example of them saying this, then i'll change my stance, but i've regularly petitioned this for clarification since i started playing the game and every response has been "not an exploit"
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.01.29 01:12:00 -
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One way to fix it is to have you warp back to the place you logged off in half the time, half the time to a random spot in the system. That'll put a serious damper on logging on as a strategical tool.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
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Posted - 2008.01.29 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
One way to fix it is to have you warp back to the place you logged off in half the time, half the time to a random spot in the system. That'll put a serious damper on logging on as a strategical tool.
thats actually a nice idea
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Originally by: Kehmor
Corp: PAK
But ye, I guess we suck pretty hard.
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