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Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.01 14:15:00 - [61] sorry just thought i would give an input on a setup that's all.... I alredy have a setup on my Vulture that helps me alot in Fleet's and small gang's, aswell as Sniper....
Jourm	Posted - 2008.02.01 14:29:00 - [62] I must say, thanks to Darth's stubbornness and Merlin's resulting explanations this has been one of the most educational posts I've seen on the forums as a new player. It's nice to see how versatile one ship can be, and how to adapt it to different situations. Nice to see some poor setups and have a good explanation as to why.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.05 00:58:00 - [63] bump
Clansworth Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.05 05:20:00 - [64] To get this thread back on track, here is by far the best vulture setup ever. This thing actually fits, and has stable cap... obviously, I'm using this for purely carebear activities, but it does do it QUITE well. H: Modulated Deep Core Miner II H: Modulated Deep Core Miner II H: Modulated Deep Core Miner II H: Modulated Deep Core Miner II H: Modulated Deep Core Miner II H: Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization H: 'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher M: Explosion Dampening Amplifier II M: Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II M: Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction M: Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction M: Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction M: Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction L: Expanded Cargohold II L: Expanded Cargohold II L: Expanded Cargohold II L: Expanded Cargohold II R: Core Defence Field Purger I R: Core Defence Field Purger I D: Mining Drone II x5 It can tank, run the mining link, and still pull in about 1000m¦/min.. not bad... no longer do i have to waste a miner for tanking or commanding... :-) New Prospector Class
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.05 13:45:00 - [65] nice setup for a mining vulture first time for evrything
Clansworth Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.06 03:10:00 - [66] Originally by: Darth Decon nice setup for a mining vulture first time for evrything Well, I figured I'm always sitting there in a bc or cs tanking and providing the links.. then i realized the vulture has decent cap and turret slots, so i figured i could pull in ore too... i didn't expect to ge3t this much fit o there, but at least for my skills, it all fits, and now I'm not so bored.. i get to mindless drag ore like the rest of the gang New Prospector Class
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.06 06:45:00 - [67] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 06/02/2008 06:52:49 Ooh. You came back! This is going to be fun! Originally by: Darth Decon Edited by: Darth Decon on 01/02/2008 05:14:30 Originally by: slothe my setup 2x gang mods 5(?) x neutron blasters t2 mwd web disruptor t2 lse t2 dread guristas passive em hardner 1x large sb 3x pds 1x mag stab 2x core defence whatsits drones instead of 1 magstab you would want at least two if not three and 1 PDS in the low's The Vulture's strength is not its dps. Even with 3x magstabs, damage is underwhelming. Your strength is in good range (for blasters) and a strong tank to protect those gang mods. Fitting PDUs gives you more cap for the active tank, and a better HP buffer. Yes, you can trade them for magstabs if you want, but that's personal preference, PDUs are a perfectly legitimate choice, especially for the active tank. And if you're running an active tank, the LSE is kind of pointless. Pick passive or active and do it well, don't try to do both. If you go passive, fit a second LSE II instead of the booster and fit extender rigs. If you go active, fit a cap booster instead of the LSE II, and fit either shield boost cycle time rigs (more peak tank) or shield booster cap use reduction rigs (sustainable for longer). Quote: In the mids You can keep you're MWD, web and Disruptor 2, Put a invule t2 and keep the EM hardner and the LSB and you can tank 513 DPS 513 dps with a LSB tank is pitiful. And you don't want a web on a Vulture, your guns hit well beyond web range, and you're going to have someone tackling for you anyway. If you're going to accept the huge cap drain of an active tank, you want to make it worth it, and that means full tank + MWD in the mids. If you want to fit tackle mods, go with a dual-LSE II buffer tank. For comparison: on my Vulture, I can either fit for maximum peak tank and tank 1400 dps as long as I have cap, or fit for sustainability and tank 1000 dps as long as I have cap booster charges. At only 513 dps tanked (my passive buffer tanked blaster setup tanks that much), you're far better off with the passive buffer setup. Quote: In the High's Keep the x5 Nutron blaster II's and use only 1 gang assist mod that will give you 407 DPS and 1175 alpha to work with. Using only one gang mod is kind of silly. This is a small-gang setup, and that's where the other two gang mods are awesome (the resist gang mod is mandatory on every Vulture). The cycle time mod is amazing for small gangs, so dropping it for the tiny dps improvement from a missile launcher is just stupid. Quote: the drones should be Hobgoblin II's x5 which in total will bring your Dps to 506 and still 1175 alpha. No, the drones should be 5x Warrior IIs for the superior speed and tracking. Dps is NOT the Vulture's strength, you will benefit far more from the superior anti-frigate performance of Warrior IIs than from the tiny dps increase from Hobgoblin IIs. Quote: In the rigslots Put 2 core diffrence field purger 1 Completely wrong, for two major reasons: 1) You're suggesting an active tank, and purger rigs are completely pointless for this. You either fit booster cycle time rigs (more peak tank) or booster cap use reduction rigs (sutainable longer). Any other rig is wrong. 2) Even if you go with a passive tank, you always fit extender rigs for PvP. Purgers are only good for mission ships, in PvP your're taking massive amounts of damage that will blow right through your ideal peak regen zone. Extender rigs give you almost as much peak regen, while giving you a much larger region at that regen, and a much higher buffer to absorb extra damage.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.06 13:44:00 - [68] bump
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.06 13:51:00 - [69] Merin Stay off this post it you want to act like that
Clansworth Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.06 15:21:00 - [70] Now I feel bad for posting in this thread, if this is how it's going to be. Anyways, Merin, dedicating strictly to 'active' or 'passive' tanking is NOT the best way in most cases, as you end up living with too many stacking penalties. If you can get a good mix of resists, regen, AND boosting, you can avoid some of the stacking penalties, and end up getting the most benefit from all your modules. Saying both that a PDU is good because it increases buffer HP, and then also saying that an LSE is bad just makes no sense. Especially since the combination of these two modules actually build upon each other. New Prospector Class

Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.06 16:19:00 - [71] Merin you have 49 kills and you have been playing a year or two longer than I and that tells me one of two things 1) You don't really partake in pvp ops with bob or corp. mate's.... 2) You are afraid to lose ship's in combat hence why you have so few.... Telling everyone on this post what they need to do when you hardly pvp yourself is just plain stupid how about taking some advice from other's who actually pvp and go on op's before you start talking on what people need to do.
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.06 18:03:00 - [72] Originally by: Darth Decon Merin you have 49 kills and you have been playing a year or two longer than I and that tells me one of two things 1) You don't really partake in pvp ops with bob or corp. mate's.... 2) You are afraid to lose ship's in combat hence why you have so few.... Telling everyone on this post what they need to do when you hardly pvp yourself is just plain stupid how about taking some advice from other's who actually pvp and go on op's before you start talking on what people need to do. Lol. Honestly... You wont have found all of Merins kills. Same as you cant find all of mine. Not everyone posts ALL their kills, on the same boards, etc. On topic however, the fact is Darth, people have posted their own opinions here, and you just shut them down. So ill give you mine now: There are 4 types of vulture setups that i use. Blaster Vulture (low dps, but tactic is to tank the opponents DPS long enough for yours to affect their weaker tank), Rail vulture (Full snipe, gang mods, tracking comps and sensor boosters, mag stabs), hp vulture (Mainly a bait ship, with 280k effective hp + gang mods) and the last - sustainable tank setup, used mainly for missions (shield recharge). Your active tanks tank a pitiful amount. Your passive tanks are mixed with actives. And well - We'll leave it there shall we :) Dont start dishing out insults to people, when they outclass you in knowledge and experience. Take their advice, or dont. But dont start SCREAMING IN CAPS THAT THEYRE HUGE SOMETHINGSOMETHING!!!.
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.06 18:05:00 - [73] Originally by: Clansworth Now I feel bad for posting in this thread, if this is how it's going to be. Anyways, Merin, dedicating strictly to 'active' or 'passive' tanking is NOT the best way in most cases, as you end up living with too many stacking penalties. If you can get a good mix of resists, regen, AND boosting, you can avoid some of the stacking penalties, and end up getting the most benefit from all your modules. Saying both that a PDU is good because it increases buffer HP, and then also saying that an LSE is bad just makes no sense. Especially since the combination of these two modules actually build upon each other. Totally disagree. The benefits you gain from a purger rig is good yes. But unless you FIT for that, then it does nothing. You have what? 7k shield hp or something? Actively tanked? Fine. Thats no problem. But then to shove on passive rigs? All that does is mean you die 5 seconds slower than normal. Whereas you could have shield boost cycle rigs, which means you can tank more. Or cap usage, so you use less cap. Either of these gives you a more effective tank, with more use.
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.06 18:06:00 - [74] Originally by: Darth Decon Merin Stay off this post it you want to act like that Surely then, you should stop posting with your attitude problem. Or is this a case of 'its my thread, i can do/say what i want'?
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.06 18:07:00 - [75] Originally by: Darth Decon whine I can't handle criticism! go away! why won't you agree with meeeeeeee!!!!!! If you don't like criticism of your setups and advice, don't post on a public forum. This is a discussion forum, not a "praise the almighty Darth Decon" forum. Originally by: Darth Decon Merin you have 49 kills and you have been playing a year or two longer than I and that tells me one of two things 1) You don't really partake in pvp ops with bob or corp. mate's.... 2) You are afraid to lose ship's in combat hence why you have so few.... Telling everyone on this post what they need to do when you hardly pvp yourself is just plain stupid how about taking some advice from other's who actually pvp and go on op's before you start talking on what people need to do. No, actually it tells you two things: 1) I'm a university student with a life outside of EVE. So while I'm posting from the library between classes right now, there's a limit to how often I can spend 6 hours on a fleet op. So I've been playing for two years, but there are large gaps where I just log in to change skills. 2) I hate killboards. We're talking fiery passion level of hate. The ONLY reason you see those 49 kills is because BoB rules make killboard posts mandatory. So you will never see my kills made outside of BoB, and that's where I've flown the Vulture. Any killboard I appear on will significantly under-represent my actual PvP experience, and that's exactly how I like it. ================================================================= Originally by: Clansworth Anyways, Merin, dedicating strictly to 'active' or 'passive' tanking is NOT the best way in most cases, as you end up living with too many stacking penalties. If you can get a good mix of resists, regen, AND boosting, you can avoid some of the stacking penalties, and end up getting the most benefit from all your modules. Yes, in theory, what you're saying is correct, if you had 30 mid slots or something. But with only 6, you have to focus on doing one thing and doing it well. Let's look at what you have to fit: Every setup: MWD, EM hardener Passive tank: 2x LSE II Active tank: LSB II, cap injector So once you have the mandatory modules fitted, you have two slots left. In the case of the passive tank, you fit 2x invulnerability fields, with active you fit one invulnerability field and a boost amp. Stacking penalties are minor at this point. Your idea of "get some of each" ignores the major problem that a good focused tank is far better than the sum of multiple weak tanks. Putting a booster on a passive tank costs you HP/regen, and drains your cap too quickly. Putting a LSE on the active tank costs you active boost and gives you very little regen without the other passive modules. This is especially true when you consider rigs, passive and active tanks require two completely different sets of rigs. Quote: Saying both that a PDU is good because it increases buffer HP, and then also saying that an LSE is bad just makes no sense. Especially since the combination of these two modules actually build upon each other. There are two issues: 1) The PDU's increased shield HP is listed more as a nice bonus effect rather than the primary goal. The main reason to fit the PDU is for the extra cap to run the active tank and the grid to fit all of your modules. = 2) With PDUs, it isn't a choice between improving the active tank and improving the passive tank. There's no cost to your active tank to fit a PDU, in fact they improve it significantly. On the other hand, every LSE you fit means a direct cost in your active tanking abilities.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.06 18:11:00 - [76] Edited by: Darth Decon on 06/02/2008 18:14:04 Merin the fact of the matter is I donÆt like you I have no problem with anyone else but you because of you attitude and how you act and as far as me shooting all setup's down I donÆt I just donÆt like Merin plain and simple beside's IAC the only thing I shoot down is you in 0.0
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.06 18:55:00 - [77] Rofl :D Oh dear god, the comic genuis that is Darth Decon! Honestly, ive never loved an OP as much as you Darth. You get proved wrong on EVERY front, and you still come back whining and insulting. Merin pointed out your setups downsides. This is after all a public vulture thread for all to see and gain from. What type of community member would he be if he didnt attempt to lead people away from your bad setups. (trust me - Vulture pilot for 2 years...i know how bad those setups are) If you dont like his answers, then fine. But all you're doing is whining like a child who hasnt got his own way. Stop whining, stop being a child, and perhaps take other peoples advice. Or dont even listen to it. But stop throwing your toys out of the cot, or soon people will stop picking them up for you.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.06 19:04:00 - [78] Originally by: Waxau Rofl :D Oh dear god, the comic genuis that is Darth Decon! Honestly, ive never loved an OP as much as you Darth. You get proved wrong on EVERY front, and you still come back whining and insulting. Merin pointed out your setups downsides. This is after all a public vulture thread for all to see and gain from. What type of community member would he be if he didnt attempt to lead people away from your bad setups. (trust me - Vulture pilot for 2 years...i know how bad those setups are) If you dont like his answers, then fine. But all you're doing is whining like a child who hasnt got his own way. Stop whining, stop being a child, and perhaps take other peoples advice. Or dont even listen to it. But stop throwing your toys out of the cot, or soon people will stop picking them up for you. Na im not whining i just dont like merin and some reason you dont seem to grasp that but oh well..... I hate merin thats a fact i dont like IAC either ive never had a prob with anyone else posting here exept merin because of his attitude.
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.06 19:14:00 - [79] Originally by: Darth Decon Originally by: Waxau Rofl :D Oh dear god, the comic genuis that is Darth Decon! Honestly, ive never loved an OP as much as you Darth. You get proved wrong on EVERY front, and you still come back whining and insulting. Merin pointed out your setups downsides. This is after all a public vulture thread for all to see and gain from. What type of community member would he be if he didnt attempt to lead people away from your bad setups. (trust me - Vulture pilot for 2 years...i know how bad those setups are) If you dont like his answers, then fine. But all you're doing is whining like a child who hasnt got his own way. Stop whining, stop being a child, and perhaps take other peoples advice. Or dont even listen to it. But stop throwing your toys out of the cot, or soon people will stop picking them up for you. Na im not whining i just dont like merin and some reason you dont seem to grasp that but oh well..... I hate merin thats a fact i dont like IAC either ive never had a prob with anyone else posting here exept merin because of his attitude. And you seem to forget that IAC, much like all alliances is made of a large number of people. One person doesnt equal ALL of the allianc, and vise versa. As for merin; You honestly think he doesnt like you either? lol. Difference is, hes being constructive. All you're doing is whining (yes - It is whining). So as for attitude problem...You posted setups. Merin gave his opinion. You didnt like it, got moody, and now are in a personal war. Whos got the attitude issue again?
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.06 19:34:00 - [80] Leave it to IAC to mess around in buisness that does not concern them. I stated my opinon of merin and thats all i got to say

Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.06 21:50:00 - [81] Originally by: Darth Decon Leave it to IAC to mess around in buisness that does not concern them. I stated my opinon of merin and thats all i got to say Oh, what a beautiful thing unintentional irony is... Yes, your opinion of me is all you have to say. Instead of actually responding to my criticism and explaining why your setups are better, your entire argument has consisted of "merin isn't nice to me!!!!". And now you're accusing IAC of "messing around in business that does not concern them", because one of their people dared to disagree with you. All you do is continue the pattern of trying to present this as a personal conflict about who is nicer, rather than an objective question of which setup is better. The difference between us is I have answered the second question, in detail, while all you have done is whine about the first.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.06 22:50:00 - [82] Edited by: Darth Decon on 06/02/2008 22:50:25 oh well merin you think you know all there is to know you think you know what my intention is and yet you have no clue i dont like you because you you think you an elete but hey thats just what im getting out from your post's so.... Oh well
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.07 01:11:00 - [83] Originally by: Darth Decon Edited by: Darth Decon on 06/02/2008 22:50:25 oh well merin you think you know all there is to know you think you know what my intention is and yet you have no clue i dont like you because you you think you an elete but hey thats just what im getting out from your post's so.... Oh well Hold on..Im **ed, and i still dont understand what you said. Please, in english, restate what your post was about. If it was a whine or ***, please - Dont bother. Which tbh, means you dont need to post. However on the unlikely occasion that you DO post - GL posting something coherent.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.07 02:16:00 - [84] Originally by: Waxau Originally by: Darth Decon Edited by: Darth Decon on 06/02/2008 22:50:25 oh well merin you think you know all there is to know you think you know what my intention is and yet you have no clue i dont like you because you you think you an elete but hey thats just what im getting out from your post's so.... Oh well Hold on..Im **ed, and i still dont understand what you said. Please, in english, restate what your post was about. If it was a whine or ***, please - Dont bother. Which tbh, means you dont need to post. However on the unlikely occasion that you DO post - GL posting something coherent. you know nothing lol
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.07 07:09:00 - [85] Originally by: Darth Decon Edited by: Darth Decon on 06/02/2008 22:50:25 oh well merin you think you know all there is to know you think you know what my intention is and yet you have no clue i dont like you because you you think you an elete but hey thats just what im getting out from your post's so.... Oh well I would say something in response to this, but honestly, with your painfully bad writing "skills", I have no idea what this incoherent mess is actually supposed to mean. I guess that speaks for itself, really. So anyway, feel free to come back when you have something constructive to say about Vulture setups. I'm done listening to you whine about how everyone is being so unfair to you by not showing the proper respect for your godlike EFT skills.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.07 12:20:00 - [86] merin seriously im sick of you mocking my spelling so you can go **** yourself
Amber Lazarin	Posted - 2008.02.07 17:48:00 - [87] To be honest despite the the OP and Merin arguing thsi is a very good thread for vulture setup information, and I am hoping Merin that you might have a kick ass mining director vulture setup up your sleeve. Basically i am looking for a vulture setup running all 3 mining links and the best tank it can possibly field, mostly against the Drone region rats.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.02.07 18:40:00 - [88] I haven't laughed so hard at a thread in a long time! Let it go Darth. Just Let It Go The more you respond to things the worse you're coming off. You claimed to be an American, so you should be a native English speaker. Take 5 minutes from your e-rage, preview what you have written, check for spelling and grammar. Then check to see if it has something constructive to say about Vulture setups. Hilarity aside - this is a very informative post for a vulture. When the Ferox changes come through I will refer to this thread as a basis for potential setups. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Klavayne Free Mercenaries Union FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2008.02.07 19:00:00 - [89] Originally by: Amber Lazarin Basically i am looking for a vulture setup running all 3 mining links and the best tank it can possibly field, mostly against the Drone region rats. I'd guess you'd start with something simple like this... 3x Mining links 4x whatever, room for quite a bit. 3x Large t2 extenders 2x Invulnerability fields 1x EM hardener 2x PDS 2x Shield power relay Can be made cap stable with good enough skills, tank will last forever ofc. Can be improved in individual aspects i guess but it will do exactly the job required of it. Oh yea, should omnitank around 900+ dps if not about 1100 with gang skills.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.07 19:22:00 - [90] yeah your right it's not worth it



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