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Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.01.30 13:20:00 - [1] Edited by: Darth Decon on 30/01/2008 13:25:16 SMALL GANG SETUP: high's: x2 Arbalist Assult Launcher's w/Caldari Navy flame burst light missles x5 250mm Railgun II's w/ Caldari Navy Antimater Med's: x1 Medium Sheild booster II's x1 Invul field II's x1 Photon Scadering Field II's x2 Large Sheild Exstender II's x1 10mn MWD Lows: x2 Power Diegnostics Systems II's x2 Magnetic Field Stabulyzers II's Drone's: x5 Hobgoblin's Rig Slots: x2 Sheild Exstender rigs SNIPER SETUP: Highs: x5 250mm Railgun II's w/ Spike ammo x2 seige warfare link mods Meds: x1 Medium Sheild Booster II's x3 Sensor Booster II's x2 Tracking Computers II's Lows: x2 Magnetic field Stabulizers II's x2 Tracking enhancer II's Drone's: x5 Hobgoblin's Rig Slots: x2 Sheild Exstender rigs FLEET SETUP: High's: x2 250mm Railgun II w/ Caldari Navy Antimatter x2 Advanced Limos Heavy Launchers w/ Caldari Navy Widow maker Heavy Missles x3 Seige Warfare Link mods Med's: x1 Medium Sheild booster II's x1 Invul field II's x1 Photon Scadering Field II's x3 Large Sheild Exstender II's Lows: x2 Power Diegnostics Systems II's x2 Magnetic Field Stabulyzers II's Drone's: x5 Hobgoblin's Rig Slots: x2 Sheild Exstender rigs *GANK SETUP:* High's: x5 Heavy Nutron Blasters II w/ Void ammo x2 Abolist assult Launchers w/ Caldari Navy Flamburst Missles Med's: x1 Medium Sheild booster II x1 Invul Feild II x1 Photon Scadering Field II x1 Warp Disruptor I x1 Stasis Web II x1 10 MN MWD Lows: x4 Magnetic Field Stabulizers II Drone's: x5 Hobgoblin's Rig Slots: x2 Sheild Exstender rigs Hope you try them:
Rathverg Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.01.30 19:29:00 - [2] bump
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.30 20:24:00 - [3] 1) Medium shield booster on a command ship is pointless. Use a LSB II, or drop it entirely for more resists or extenders. 2) Half of your setups are missing the MWD. Fix this. 3) 4x magstabs on the gank setup is pointless due to stacking penalties, so drop one of them for something useful. Now, then, setups: FLEET SNIPER: Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Sensor Booster II Sensor Booster II Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II 250mm Railgun II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Improved Cloaking Device II Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing Spike M and a faction long-range ammo also in cargo, of course. SMALL-GANG TANK (Tanks 1400 dps as long as the cap lasts) Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II 10MN Afterburner II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I,Cap Booster 800 Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II 200mm Railgun II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing Siege Warfare Link - Active Shielding Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Optionally, switch the rigs for shield booster cap reduction, dropping maximum tank down to 1000 dps but letting you run it longer before draining your cap. BLASTER VULTURE Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Neutron Blaster II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II,Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Missile Launcher II,Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Drones_Active=Warrior II,5 Null M in cargo, of course. 15-20km effective range with blasters is nice.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.01.30 20:29:00 - [4] Edited by: Darth Decon on 30/01/2008 20:29:59 See with the Medium Sheild Booster II you can tank 366 dps with the small gang setup 456 dps with the fleet setup and still do decent ammount of damage with your rails and two missle launcher's.
Gypsio III Darkness Inc. Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.30 20:49:00 - [5] A fourth damage mod adds ~5% DPS. That may not be great, but it's certainly not pointless either. Whether a different mod would be a better choice is a different question.
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.30 20:50:00 - [6] Originally by: Darth Decon Edited by: Darth Decon on 30/01/2008 20:29:59 See with the Medium Sheild Booster II you can tank 366 dps with the small gang setup 456 dps with the fleet setup and still do decent ammount of damage with your rails and two missle launcher's. 350-450 dps tanked is just laughable for a Vulture. An active tank with a LSB II can tank 1400 dps. My passive buffer tanked blaster setup tanks 490 dps just as a side effect of getting 185,000 EHP. A MSB is just a complete waste of a slot, either go passive and tank slightly more dps with no cap drain, or go with a true active tank, fit a LSB II, and tank well over 1000 dps.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.01.30 20:54:00 - [7] Ok mabey but you and i have diffrent i deas about setup and fitting diffrent ship type's not to mention your in bob so you probly have alot more sp then me so you could probly tank it better..... How ever these setups do work so give them a try..... They work for me and they can work for you aswell
MuffinsRevenger EmpiresMod	Posted - 2008.01.30 21:08:00 - [8] Originally by: Darth Decon Ok mabey but you and i have diffrent i deas about setup and fitting diffrent ship type's not to mention your in bob so you probly have alot more sp then me so you could probly tank it better..... How ever these setups do work so give them a try..... They work for me and they can work for you aswell If you wana tank a vulture extenders and hardners is the way to go irelevant of skillpoints pretty much :p
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.30 22:48:00 - [9] Originally by: Darth Decon Ok mabey but you and i have diffrent i deas about setup and fitting diffrent ship type's not to mention your in bob so you probly have alot more sp then me so you could probly tank it better..... How ever these setups do work so give them a try..... They work for me and they can work for you aswell It's not about skills or preferences, your setups are simply wrong. A MSB and LSB give the exact same shield/cap ratio, the LSB simply gives it to you twice as fast. By fitting a LSB and activating it half as often, you get the exact same results as the MSB, but you also have the option to run it more often and get a higher (but less sustainable long-term) peak tank when you need it. The real problem is the MSB gives you the worst of both worlds. You get all of the downsides of an active tank (cap use, less HP buffer) with none of the benefits (much higher peak dps tanked). The only time you ever fit a MSB is on ships that lack the fitting for a LSB, and the Vulture is definitely not one of them. And this is true regardless of your skills. Yes, I probably have better skills than you, since I have max siege warfare skills + mindlink and almost all of my tanking skills to V, but that just means all of my setups will be better than all of yours. This doesn't change the relative merits of those setups, my Vulture with a MSB will be better than your Vulture with a MSB, but both of us will still do better with a LSB. The only reason your setups "work" is that the Vulture is just naturally so good at tanking that any halfway sane setup will do alright in a lot of situations. Unless you fit something completely stupid like 5x civilian shield boosters, it's almost impossible to make a Vulture with a truly bad tank. But that doesn't mean you can't do better than you are right now.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.01.30 22:58:00 - [10] look evryone fly's there ships diffrently and i have found a setup that does work for what i use it for. So if you have diffrent idea's for vulture setups then fine post them here if not then stop telling me that my fitt's are all wrong because there not.

Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.30 23:08:00 - [11] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 30/01/2008 23:11:42 Originally by: Darth Decon look evryone fly's there ships diffrently and i have found a setup that does work for what i use it for. So if you have diffrent idea's for vulture setups then fine post them here if not then stop telling me that my fitt's are all wrong because there not. WTS: Reading Comprehension I Seriously, did you even read my post, or did you just stop at "waaaaaahh!!! the evil bob player is disagreeing with me!!! it's not FAIR!!!!"? Your setups "work" because the Vulture is so good at tanking that even a mediocre setup will do alright in a lot of situations. If you only take on easy targets, you can get away with a MSB fit. But that doesn't change the simple fact that a LSB is better in every way. I will repeat, since you didn't read it the first time: A LSB and MSB have exactly identical shield/cap ratios, the LSB just gives it to you twice as fast. By running the LSB half the time, you get the exact same effect as a MSB, but you have the option to run it full time and get twice the tank if you need it. Therefore there is absolutely no reason to fit a MSB over a LSB. A Vulture has way more than enough grid/cpu to allow a LSB, so do it. And maybe you should actually read before whining. I posted three setups already, how many more do you want?
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.01.30 23:17:00 - [12] Im not whining i just said a LSB uses alot more cap then the MSB and your getting steamed over it. so i would like you to stop calling my setup's pointless because that is a false Acusation. They work just fine
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.30 23:28:00 - [13] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 30/01/2008 23:31:03 Originally by: Darth Decon Im not whining i just said a LSB uses alot more cap then the MSB and your getting steamed over it. so i would like you to stop calling my setup's pointless because that is a false Acusation. They work just fine Seriously, read the damn post before trying to argue about this. The LSB uses the exact same amount of cap as a MSB. If you want to boost 1000 shield HP, it costs you exactly the same amount of cap to do it with the MSB as it does with the LSB. The only difference is with the LSB, you have two choices: 1) Boost that 1000 shield HP in half the time, with twice the cap used per second. This gives you twice the dps tanked as the MSB for short periods of time. 2) Boost that 1000 shield HP in the same amount of time, with the same cap per second used, by alternating on/off cycles with the LSB. This exactly duplicates the function of the MSB. If this is still too complicated, think about it this way: A LSB is a MSB with the option to "overload" it for an unsustainable increase in tank over short periods of time. There is no reason to fit a plain MSB, since a LSB does exactly the same thing with a bonus option the MSB lacks. And no, it's entirely a true accusation. Your setups only work "fine" because you're using an inherently good ship against less than impressive opposition. In a situation that actually challenges a command ship properly, yours will die horribly, while mine lives and gets the killmails. Seriously, just think about this for a second... I could fit a Vulture with civilian shield boosters and it would do "fine", as long as I use it for killing unarmed industrials. Would you consider this a good setup, or would you laugh at it and tell me to fix it?
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.01.30 23:32:00 - [14] Listen i dont kill unarmed industrials with this i kill combatships so as far as this goes your way off track my setups work for fleets small gangs and sniping so dont tell me i dont know how to fit my damn ships
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.30 23:44:00 - [15] Originally by: Darth Decon Listen i dont kill unarmed industrials with this i kill combatships so as far as this goes your way off track my setups work for fleets small gangs and sniping so dont tell me i dont know how to fit my damn ships And this just once again proves how little you actually understand about the game... your setups "work" in fleets because when you have a group of ships, the individual quality of those ships matters much less. Where in a 1v1 fight if we knock off 50% of your ship's effectiveness your side loses 50% effectiveness, in a 100 man fleet, that same 50% drop on your ship only means a .5% decrease in effectiveness for the fleet as a whole. Going from 99 people to 100 provides twice as much benefit to the fleet as fixing your broken setup. Now, does this mean your setups are working as well as they could be? Hell no. It only means that your flaws are being compensated for by the rest of your gang. Now, stop getting all defensive and actually read the posts I've made explaning WHY your setups are wrong, and you will do better. Unless of course you're perfectly satisfied with mediocre performance and just barely doing the job well enough to survive. In that case, feel free to keep using broken setups. Just don't come whining to the forums when you lose your ships to an opponent who actually knows what they're doing and fits the best they possibly can.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.01.30 23:51:00 - [16] The only thing mediocer is your attitued tward people who dosnt have perfect skills listen I use EFT and i use those fittings in combat Small gangs it works very well..... not mediocer.. you may not think i know what im talking about but i do.... And far as tank is concernd i would not be able to tank over 1000 dps with your setup hen's the diffrence in skills to lvl 5 comes in to play and you dont seem to get that.....
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.30 23:55:00 - [17] sigh Seriously, would you please take the time to read beyond "OMG HE DOESN'T RECOGNIZE MY GENIUS, NOT FAIR!!! NOT FAIR!!!!" and actually understand the numbers I've posted? If you have the minimum skills to undock the ship, you will do better with my setups than with yours. If you have decent skills, IVs with a couple Vs, you will do better with my setups than with yours. If you have perfect level Vs in everything, you will do better with my setups than with yours. The only difference is that you might tank 400 dps with the MSB and 800 with the LSB, while I tank 700 dps with the MSB and 1400 with the LSB. But in both cases, the LSB is far better.
Calexis Atredies Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.31 00:01:00 - [18] Listen to the BoBit... I fly one too, even though I use passive I can say from experience that a MSB II even with the gang boosts gives a patyhetic tank, only ship where you have no choice is a cerb. And no flaming BoBits when they post... they may be ebil but they do know how to fit ships for pvp.
ElCholo Minmatar The SMITE Brotherhood Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.01.31 00:05:00 - [19] You are wasting your breath Bobbit This one either does not understand the philosophy of toggling the shield booster or is simply too lazy to manually control it.
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 00:10:00 - [20] Originally by: Calexis Atredies Listen to the BoBit... I fly one too, even though I use passive I can say from experience that a MSB II even with the gang boosts gives a patyhetic tank, only ship where you have no choice is a cerb. And no flaming BoBits when they post... they may be ebil but they do know how to fit ships for pvp. Passive is good too. Arguably, it's better for larger gang fights... you lose a lot of peak tank, but you get a much higher buffer. That blaster setup I posted tanks almost 500 dps passive, with 185,000 EHP. The 1400 dps tank on the active one is nice for smaller gangs, but not so nice when 10,000 incoming dps blows right through your much smaller buffer before you can cycle your booster a second time. It's all a tradeoff, really. LSB for small fights, passive buffer for medium fights, un-tanked sniper for fleet blobs. That's why I love the ship, really, you get a lot of good options for how to use it. Now if only they'd fix the split weapon problem and give me my 7 guns...

Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.01.31 00:12:00 - [21] sorry you don't agree with me we both have diffrent setups so lets leave it at that thank you
Calexis Atredies Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.31 00:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Calexis Atredies Listen to the BoBit... I fly one too, even though I use passive I can say from experience that a MSB II even with the gang boosts gives a patyhetic tank, only ship where you have no choice is a cerb. And no flaming BoBits when they post... they may be ebil but they do know how to fit ships for pvp. Passive is good too. Arguably, it's better for larger gang fights... you lose a lot of peak tank, but you get a much higher buffer. That blaster setup I posted tanks almost 500 dps passive, with 185,000 EHP. The 1400 dps tank on the active one is nice for smaller gangs, but not so nice when 10,000 incoming dps blows right through your much smaller buffer before you can cycle your booster a second time. It's all a tradeoff, really. LSB for small fights, passive buffer for medium fights, un-tanked sniper for fleet blobs. That's why I love the ship, really, you get a lot of good options for how to use it. Now if only they'd fix the split weapon problem and give me my 7 guns... My passive can run 2 out of my 1 invul and 2 gang links... tanks over 2000 DPS if you average out its resists. Cant say I am looking forward to the 10% knock to the shield exp resist, for a ship built upon solid resists its gonna be a kick in the nuts.
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 00:23:00 - [23] Originally by: Calexis Atredies Edited by: Calexis Atredies on 31/01/2008 00:17:28 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Calexis Atredies Listen to the BoBit... I fly one too, even though I use passive I can say from experience that a MSB II even with the gang boosts gives a patyhetic tank, only ship where you have no choice is a cerb. And no flaming BoBits when they post... they may be ebil but they do know how to fit ships for pvp. Passive is good too. Arguably, it's better for larger gang fights... you lose a lot of peak tank, but you get a much higher buffer. That blaster setup I posted tanks almost 500 dps passive, with 185,000 EHP. The 1400 dps tank on the active one is nice for smaller gangs, but not so nice when 10,000 incoming dps blows right through your much smaller buffer before you can cycle your booster a second time. It's all a tradeoff, really. LSB for small fights, passive buffer for medium fights, un-tanked sniper for fleet blobs. That's why I love the ship, really, you get a lot of good options for how to use it. Now if only they'd fix the split weapon problem and give me my 7 guns... My passive can run 2 out of my 1 invul and 2 gang links... tanks over 2000 DPS if you average out its resists. Cant say I am looking forward to the 10% knock to the shield exp resist, for a ship built upon solid resists its gonna be a kick in the nuts. And yes it is highly versatile as a warship... I have 3 :P I assume you're talking about a pure-tank SPR passive tank with no MWD? I don't like that one... SPRs kill your cap too much, to the point that even firing your guns is going to run you dry (and let's not talk about missile-Vultures, I hate those). And run into one of those big systems in 0.0, and warping around is going to be a nightmare with your cap regen crippled that badly. Maybe it's good for a mission-running tank, but it's pretty poor for PvP. Originally by: Darth Decon sorry you don't agree with me we both have diffrent setups so lets leave it at that thank you Fine, we'll leave it at this: our ships are different, in a fundamental way. Mine are good, yours are broken. There isn't really much more to say, anyway, I've already pointed out why you're wrong, you just refuse to actually understand it and admit that you aren't the perfect EFT god.
Calexis Atredies Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.31 00:28:00 - [24] Edited by: Calexis Atredies on 31/01/2008 00:28:58 To be honest... yeah warping around kills my cap, wouldnt take a pure passive into a fleet fight, works well for combating small roaming gangs and tanking plexes. For fleet warfare its 5 t2 250's with sensor boosters and mag stabs makes a nice ceptor pawning mobile :P
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.01.31 00:36:00 - [25] Can some of you post some other ideas that might help other people in this post thank you....
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 00:42:00 - [26] Originally by: Darth Decon Can some of you post some other ideas that might help other people in this post thank you.... WTS: Reading Comprehension Level I I already posted three setups (fleet sniper, small-gang active tank, blasters), and someone else posted the mandatory heavy missile uber-passive mission tank. Between those four setups, that's all you need to know about flying the Vulture. If they don't do exactly what you want, they should be a good enough base to make whatever minor changes you consider necessary to fit your specific role. Your problem is you don't want people to post good Vulture setups, you want people to agree with you. Which is not going to happen, because your setups are just broken.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.01.31 01:03:00 - [27] The way my skills are right now i cannot fitt a LBS on my Vulture i can only fitt it to the best of my ablility thats why your setups wont work for me but they will for others and thanks for giving me some ideas when i get my skills up there and sorry for being a hot head
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 02:11:00 - [28] Originally by: Darth Decon The way my skills are right now i cannot fitt a LBS on my Vulture i can only fitt it to the best of my ablility thats why your setups wont work for me but they will for others and thanks for giving me some ideas when i get my skills up there and sorry for being a hot head Those setups fit with Engineering V, Electronics V, Weapon Upgrades V and Advanced Weapon Upgrades IV. Honestly, if you don't have those skills, you have no business flying a command ship.
Eardianm Darkness Inc. Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.01.31 02:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Darth Decon The way my skills are right now i cannot fitt a LBS on my Vulture i can only fitt it to the best of my ablility thats why your setups wont work for me but they will for others and thanks for giving me some ideas when i get my skills up there and sorry for being a hot head Those setups fit with Engineering V, Electronics V, Weapon Upgrades V and Advanced Weapon Upgrades IV. Honestly, if you don't have those skills, you have no business flying a command ship. This. How the hell are you in a Vulture and can't get a LSB on there? And the general idea when posting setups on the forum is for critique. Merin has given you good advice, and a simple change for that matter, and you've basically stuck your fingers in your ears. Or your trolling. --------------
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.01.31 03:03:00 - [30] Edited by: Darth Decon on 31/01/2008 03:04:18 hey i have engenigering to lvl 5 electornic's to lvl 5 wepon upgrads to 5 and advanced to lvl 4 and over a mill in leadership just because i cant use your fittings dosnt mean i have no buiseness in a commandship

Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 03:28:00 - [31] Originally by: Darth Decon Edited by: Darth Decon on 31/01/2008 03:04:18 hey i have engenigering to lvl 5 electornic's to lvl 5 wepon upgrads to 5 and advanced to lvl 4 and over a mill in leadership just because i cant use your fittings dosnt mean i have no buiseness in a commandship Then the fitting works. Why is this complicated? I have the exact same fitting skills as you do, and I've actually flown the ship, not just put it together in EFT. I think I've even flown it with lower fitting skills and the same setups, before I got AWU IV.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.01.31 03:48:00 - [32] ok with my setup's with missle Launchers i cant fitt a LSB i dont have the ability to have a LSB on it with my setup's Your setups work good for you and mine work good for mine lets leave it at that please.
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 05:47:00 - [33] This rant is just so beautiful I just have to share it: Quote: 2008.01.31 03:25 Listen i dont know who you think you are but you can stop it right now im getting sick of you acting like a baby critisizing my vulture setup when you dont even know how i use it ok.... how about i say your fittings suck and you dont know how to fitt your ships and your setups are broke and mine is good enoph is enoph man so stop posting on my post...... you Think your setup is the best becuase there not nether is mine i fitt whats best for my skills and you fitt whats best for yours leave it as that and stop Posting there Merin........ So many things wrong with this horrible abuse of the english language. But the simple fact is, if you disagree with my setups, feel free to say so, just as long as you say WHY you disagree and back it up with some numbers. You posted a setup for comment, so you have no right to complain that we actually commented instead of just mindlessly complimenting you on your amazing EFT skills. The simple fact is your setups are just not very good. The fact that you've so far only been in situations where other factors compensate for the poor setups does not change this one bit. And neither does your silly "you have your setup I have mine" comment... that's nothing more than stubborn refusal to consider that someone else might have a better idea than your pet setup. Now if you're willing to settle for "good enough", fine, that's your right. But those of us who actually fit the best ship we possibly can will be happy to take your killmail.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.01.31 06:38:00 - [34] ok lets talk about your Sniping setup it can has an optimal of 206km +14km falloff which in total is 220 km and deal 210 Dps not bad. How ever mine can shoot out to 218 +14 falloff which is 232 km and deal 226 DPS far as the fleet setup your about 500dps off yo can only tank 990 still is impressive but its still no 1400 like you clam and it dosnt do more but less dps then your sniper setup at 209 and you dont use only two seige links you use all three in a fleet. you blaster setup can only tank 360 and deal 447 DPS which is good how ever if you ar trying to use blasters you need a web if you dont have a point and a web your setup isnt that affective for the blaster setup not to mention if you did fit the blaster setup with a scram and a web you would only tank 177 dps. i am sorry but unless you fitt 4 t2 Sheild power reallys and 2 core defense field purgers in rig slot you wont tank over 1400 and i got these statistics on EFT using the All lvl 5 skill set so it is not posible to tank 1400 dps with any of your setups you have just posted.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.01.31 06:50:00 - [35] Edited by: Darth Decon on 31/01/2008 06:50:14 Merin Ryskin If you dont know we are bob friendly and i dissagre with your setups. Like all setups in this game none of them are perfect but they are good pending on what there purpose of the pilots intending on using them wether it be PVP or PVE. As ive shown in my prevous post those are the reasons i dissagree with your setup's
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 06:53:00 - [36] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 31/01/2008 06:53:41 Originally by: Darth Decon ok lets talk about your Sniping setup it can has an optimal of 206km +14km falloff which in total is 220 km and deal 210 Dps not bad. How ever mine can shoot out to 218 +14 falloff which is 232 km and deal 226 DPS And THIS is why EFT is a bad thing for 95% of EVE. Yes, you hit slightly farther because you drop a magstab for a tracking enhancer, where I consider 200km range good enough (you will rarely ever have a target that far away to shoot at). However, you are completely wrong on the dps. Your "extra" dps comes from using Hobgoblins where I use Warrior IIs for anti-tackler defense. But remember, drones have a limit of around 50km, so for pure gun dps, I'm doing more damage where it counts. Quote: far as the fleet setup your about 500dps off yo can only tank 990 still is impressive but its still no 1400 like you clam and it dosnt do more but less dps then your sniper setup at 209 and you dont use only two seige links you use all three in a fleet. 1) Again, this is why EFT is a bad thing. You're forgetting to apply the gang mod and mindlink bonuses. Since my character has all the mindlink and all shield gank skills to V with the exception of Warfare Link Specialization (10% bonus), I will be tanking well over 1000 dps. I tank 1252 dps out of a theoretical maximum of 1394 (not counting implants besides the mindlink, which will raise it over 1400). 2) Of course it does less damage than my sniper setup, my sniper setup is an un-tanked fleet sniper, while the small gang railboat is set up for maximum tank. Which means PDUs in the lows instead of damage mods (more cap to sustain the tank), and dropping the guns to 200mm rails to fit the injector, LSB II, and two gang mods. 3) No, you don't use all three links in a fleet. You always use the resist link. You sometimes use cycle time link if you have active tankers in your gang (which is almost never, in a large fleet). You (almost) never waste space on the cap reduction link, since PvP ships are never sustainable and are expected to die before running out of cap. If you want to fit a third gang mod, you fit something from another race. Quote: you blaster setup can only tank 360 and deal 447 DPS which is good how ever if you ar trying to use blasters you need a web if you dont have a point and a web your setup isnt that affective for the blaster setup The blaster ship is a gang ship, and does not need a web or scram. I have tackler frigates to do that for me. But if you want to try to fly the ship solo, feel free to drop the EM hardener and an invulnerability field for the web and scram. I don't think this is a very good idea, because the Vulture is too slow and a bit too lacking in dps to be a really effective solo ship. Quote: not to mention if you did fit the blaster setup with a scram and a web you would only tank 177 dps. You're missing the entire point of the blaster setup. It's a passive buffer tank, not a passive regen tank. The whole point is to get a huge effective hitpoint total to survive un-tankable fire for as long as possible before you die. The regen is just a nice side effect, I only mention it to point out how useless a medium shield booster is. Quote: i am sorry but unless you fitt 4 t2 Sheild power reallys and 2 core defense field purgers in rig slot you wont tank over 1400 and i got these statistics on EFT using the All lvl 5 skill set so it is not posible to tank 1400 dps with any of your setups you have just posted. Gang mods. Mindlink. Use them.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.01.31 07:04:00 - [37] Edited by: Darth Decon on 31/01/2008 07:05:11 im sorry to inform you but i did do all of that you just stated and its still no 1400 dps srry but your calculations are wrong
Katrina Coreli The Scope	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:16:00 - [38] Please just swallow your pride and use merins setups. Your setups may work for you but you are not getting the best out of the ship at all. Its all very well saying "it works for you" but it is not doing nearly as well as it could be. Hop off EFT and hop on the test server or something and give it a try.
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 08:23:00 - [39] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 31/01/2008 08:32:42 Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 31/01/2008 08:31:01 Originally by: Darth Decon Edited by: Darth Decon on 31/01/2008 07:05:11 im sorry to inform you but i did do all of that you just stated and its still no 1400 dps srry but your calculations are wrong I'm sorry to inform you that you are not doing it right. I'm sitting here with the setup loaded in EFT right here. The problem is you are looking at sustained tank, where I am quoting the maximum tank (which lasts 1 min 40 seconds). Sustained tank is completely irrelevant, if you survive over 2 minutes under focused fire from your opponents, your gang has pretty much won the fight already. In a more realistic scenario, you will be taking well over 1400 dps, and you will die well before you run out of cap. Actually, I'm not sure which mistake you're making, since either way you're rounding something to 900. If you're actually getting a peak tank of 900 dps (905 actually), you are forgetting two things: 1) Add the Siege Warfare Mindlink implant. 2) Set the ship as fleet commander to recieve bonuses properly. And I notice you aren't even trying to answer my responses to your criticisms. I will take that as a concession that my setups actually are better than yours, and the "flaws" you pointed out are due to nothing more than your misunderstanding of the ship and game mechanics in general.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:17:00 - [40] The fact is i dont agree with merins setups there for im not going to use them because they wont work well for the gang/ fleet's or gang pvp that i use it for Plain and simple. and evry time he post he sounds like a major *** i know what i am doing and if you want to be a *** further merin how about you try my setups befopre you open your mouth further. Because im getting you havent even tryed my setup at all. or the base of your argument is that i dont have a LSB Boo hoo, I know my setup's will work otherwise why would i post them here. i dont post setup's that wont work so Merin get off your high horse and take a look at my setup's and swallow the fact not evryone has the same damn setup that you use But i sont know how you dont see it. Ive looked at your setup i did the math and i did not like what i see therefore i willnot use your setup's in the fleets i am in. Also Just because i dont use your's dosnt mean i will die but you think thatand your dead wrong.

Kealem	Posted - 2008.01.31 13:50:00 - [41] Originally by: Darth Decon Edited by: Darth Decon on 31/01/2008 13:36:16 Edited by: Darth Decon on 31/01/2008 13:34:25 will die but you think thatand your dead wrong. and im not moking how you type so dont moke me i know the english laguege very well because i was born in the US. Oh... dear... Lord... make it... stop... GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.01.31 15:20:00 - [42] I'm shaking my head here at you Darth... Merin may be abrasive - but he really knows what the hell he's talking about. I've argued with him before, and I ended up changing my mind on a couple things after the discussion (mind you half the time I was rolling my eyes at his attitude). Darth you are locked into a very very stubborn mindset. Look at what a lot of people are telling you. If you have the grid/CPU - there is NO - NONE whatsoever - reason NOT to use a large shield booster over a medium shield booster. If you're active tanking you're setup to absorb a spike of damage over a relatively short time. A large shield booster does that 2x as effectively as a medium shield booster. If you need to be more cap stable to run a MSB instead of the LSB - pulse the damn thing, so you still maintain the tactical flexibility to spike your defence when needed. Or go passive - he has a stout passive setup which will help you absorb damage for a tremendous amount of time without the cap issues. Your setup may work - but his works better. If you want to be stubborn have at it - you may just be doing it because Merin annoyed you, but let it go, and achieve the best you can with your ship. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.01.31 15:25:00 - [43] Originally by: Darth Decon ...and im not moking how you type so dont moke me i know the english laguege very well because i was born in the US. Sigh... Now I can see why the world makes fun of us... __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Weeka Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.01.31 15:36:00 - [44] Originally by: Omarvelous Sigh... Now I can see why the world makes fun of us... You'll get over it some day Darth? You are wrong, Merin is right. Its rather obvious you can't see his point, even when he explained it in a way that would make even Forrest Gump bored. Did the EFT thing, 1400 dps is right - heaven knows what you keep doing wrong. Please just believe it, even if you can't understand it.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.01.31 15:41:00 - [45] Originally by: Omarvelous I'm shaking my head here at you Darth... Merin may be abrasive - but he really knows what the hell he's talking about. I've argued with him before, and I ended up changing my mind on a couple things after the discussion (mind you half the time I was rolling my eyes at his attitude). Darth you are locked into a very very stubborn mindset. Look at what a lot of people are telling you. If you have the grid/CPU - there is NO - NONE whatsoever - reason NOT to use a large shield booster over a medium shield booster. If you're active tanking you're setup to absorb a spike of damage over a relatively short time. A large shield booster does that 2x as effectively as a medium shield booster. If you need to be more cap stable to run a MSB instead of the LSB - pulse the damn thing, so you still maintain the tactical flexibility to spike your defence when needed. Or go passive - he has a stout passive setup which will help you absorb damage for a tremendous amount of time without the cap issues. Your setup may work - but his works better. If you want to be stubborn have at it - you may just be doing it because Merin annoyed you, but let it go, and achieve the best you can with your ship. yeah Ok ill see what i can modify my setup so i can get a LSB on my vulture and see how it goes.... Or mabey i will go passive tank but i will see what i can do and build on it. I just dont like Merin's attitued about the whole thing... Thanks your your imput Omarvelous
evriss Dark Materials	Posted - 2008.01.31 16:10:00 - [46] this topic wins.... i personally dont understand peoples errections for tuning on a SB all the time, when they criple there peak DPS tanked to do so.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.01.31 16:15:00 - [47] Originally by: evriss this topic wins.... i personally dont understand peoples errections for tuning on a SB all the time, when they criple there peak DPS tanked to do so. Dont know how to respond to that one lol
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 18:44:00 - [48] Originally by: Omarvelous Originally by: Darth Decon ...and im not moking how you type so dont moke me i know the english laguege very well because i was born in the US. Sigh... Now I can see why the world makes fun of us... What he said. Seriously, this is just painful to read... you should be learning to write, not wasting time on a video game. Quote: Because im getting you havent even tryed my setup at all. or the base of your argument is that i dont have a LSB I don't need to try your setups to know they're broken. All I have to do is look at the numbers to see that if you're going with an active tank, the LSB is the only correct choice. Quote: Boo hoo, I know my setup's will work otherwise why would i post them here. i dont post setup's that wont work so Merin get off your high horse and take a look at my setup's and swallow the fact not evryone has the same damn setup that you use Do you even bother reading my posts, or do you just stop at the first disagreement and whine a little more? I've already explained this multiple times: your setups "work" because you fly them in a gang, and the rest of your fleet compensates for your poor setups. Individual ship quality matters far less in gangs, but this doesn't make your setups good. You still have a lot of room to improve, even if you're able to fool yourself into thinking otherwise. Quote: But i sont know how you dont see it. Ive looked at your setup i did the math and i did not like what i see therefore i willnot use your setup's in the fleets i am in. You did the math wrong. I don't know why this is hard to understand, not only do I have the setup right in front of me, but someone else in this thread verified my numbers. Now, your setups have fundamental mistakes, whether you want to admit it or not. I will repeat them, just to be clear: 1) Your sniper and "fleet" setups lacks a MWD. MWDs are mandatory on all PvP ships, so fit one. 2) Your use of MSBs is fundamentally flawed, giving lower performance in every way than a LSB setup. 3) Your combination of extenders and boosters gives a worst of both worlds setup, with all the cap problems of an active setup and the lower regen of a passive setup. Same with rigs... you're using extender rigs, without thinking about making them as effective as possible. Just look at your blaster setup, you use a MSB tank with zero extenders... but you still have the extender rigs. Active shield boost rigs do exist, you know. 4) You obviously don't understand sniping mechanics, because you are claiming higher damage on your sniper setup with fewer damage mods than mine. Drones do not work at 200km, so counting them is just silly. And so is bragging about 10km better range at 200km, when you will almost never have a target outside 200km to shoot at anyway. 5) You don't understand gang mods, because you insist on fitting all three shield mods in a fleet fight (and even complain that my setup does not do this). In reality, only one, maybe two of them are worth fitting, and if you want to fit three gang mods, you fit one from another race. I fly in gangs where command ships are common, so I don't bother with this, since a correct-race CS will be providing a higher bonus than I could. 6) Your small gang setup lacks a gang mod, you should always at least fit the resist mod. 7) You don't understand the stacking penalty, because you fit four magstabs on your blaster setup. The fourth one is essentially useless, so a PDU or damage control is better in every way.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.01.31 19:13:00 - [49] Edited by: Darth Decon on 31/01/2008 19:14:07 Mern i understand about my setup BUT SHUT UP ABOUT EVRYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO ACT LIKE AN ASS HOLE LIKE YOU ARE YOUR BEING A BIG *** AND POKING AT HOW I TYPE SO STFU IM A GRADUATE GOING TO COLLEGE RIGHT NOW SO JUST STFU I DONT NEED TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL YOU * YOUR TAKING THIS ** TO FAR AND IT ENDS HERE
Kealem	Posted - 2008.01.31 19:26:00 - [50] Oh, oh God, wow, I love this thread. Do some pot man or take some valium, you need to chill.

Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.31 19:35:00 - [51] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 31/01/2008 19:37:14 Originally by: Darth Decon Edited by: Darth Decon on 31/01/2008 19:14:07 Mern i understand about my setup BUT SHUT UP ABOUT EVRYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO ACT LIKE AN ASS HOLE LIKE YOU ARE YOUR BEING A BIG *** AND POKING AT HOW I TYPE SO STFU IM A GRADUATE GOING TO COLLEGE RIGHT NOW SO JUST STFU I DONT NEED TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL YOU * YOUR TAKING THIS TO FAR AND IT ENDS HERE You know, I was going to say something about how you are obviously lying, and no self-respecting university would let you in with such awful writing skills. But instead, I will let your own words (taken from your little in-game rant to me) speak for themselves: Rathverg > I AM ENGLISH I WAS BORN IN THE USA** I do, of course, accept your concession on setups. I'm glad I could help you improve your setups and maybe score a few more killmails.
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.31 19:35:00 - [52] Wtf?! I fly a vulture, i forget to post here, and i miss an arguement with a basement 30 year old :( Damnit. hi all!
Ral Ulgur Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.01.31 21:49:00 - [53] Ohnoes's the use's of the op's apostrophe's give my eye's the hurt'z Sorry for that, back on topic: POS Hugger Vulture: Lows: 3x Caldary Navy Co-Processor 1x PDS II Meds: 4x Command Processor 1x Cap Recharger II Higs: 7 Warfarelinks of your choice Permaruns everything with decent cap skills.
NeoTheo Caldari Species 5618 Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.01.31 23:55:00 - [54] Originally by: Darth Decon Edited by: Darth Decon on 31/01/2008 19:14:07 Mern i understand about my setup BUT SHUT UP ABOUT EVRYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO ACT LIKE AN ASS HOLE LIKE YOU ARE YOUR BEING A BIG *** AND POKING AT HOW I TYPE SO STFU IM A GRADUATE GOING TO COLLEGE RIGHT NOW SO JUST STFU I DONT NEED TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL YOU * YOUR TAKING THIS ** TO FAR AND IT ENDS HERE Ohhh Just LOL, VERY LoL. Merin, thank you. Lots ;)
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.02.01 01:28:00 - [55] my setup 2x gang mods 5(?) x neutron blasters t2 mwd web disruptor t2 lse t2 dread guristas passive em hardner 1x large sb 3x pds 1x mag stab 2x core defence whatsits drones
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.01 05:12:00 - [56] Edited by: Darth Decon on 01/02/2008 05:14:30 Originally by: slothe my setup 2x gang mods 5(?) x neutron blasters t2 mwd web disruptor t2 lse t2 dread guristas passive em hardner 1x large sb 3x pds 1x mag stab 2x core defence whatsits drones instead of 1 magstab you would want at least two if not three and 1 PDS in the low's In the mids You can keep you're MWD, web and Disruptor 2, Put a invule t2 and keep the EM hardner and the LSB and you can tank 513 DPS In the High's Keep the x5 Nutron blaster II's and use only 1 gang assist mod that will give you 407 DPS and 1175 alpha to work with. the drones should be Hobgoblin II's x5 which in total will bring your Dps to 506 and still 1175 alpha. In the rigslots Put 2 core diffrence field purger 1
velmistr Ecco Caldari InNova Tech Inc Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.01 10:30:00 - [57] Originally by: Darth Decon ... If I were you I would be happy that guys from respectable alliances who actually flies their vultures often share their setups. I'm surprised Merin even read your posts (I'm not that good). Vulture is not a main damage boat for any gang. So there is no point in using hobgoblins at all. IMHO warriors or ECM drones are far better.
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.01 12:23:00 - [58] Originally by: Darth Decon Edited by: Darth Decon on 01/02/2008 05:14:30 Originally by: slothe my setup 2x gang mods 5(?) x neutron blasters t2 mwd web disruptor t2 lse t2 dread guristas passive em hardner 1x large sb 3x pds 1x mag stab 2x core defence whatsits drones instead of 1 magstab you would want at least two if not three and 1 PDS in the low's In the mids You can keep you're MWD, web and Disruptor 2, Put a invule t2 and keep the EM hardner and the LSB and you can tank 513 DPS In the High's Keep the x5 Nutron blaster II's and use only 1 gang assist mod that will give you 407 DPS and 1175 alpha to work with. the drones should be Hobgoblin II's x5 which in total will bring your Dps to 506 and still 1175 alpha. In the rigslots Put 2 core diffrence field purger 1 Lol @ Your Advice giving. But you made a spelling mistake - Shouldnt it be a Medium Shield Booster?
Guygeboe	Posted - 2008.02.01 13:37:00 - [59] This Darth Decon dude is so funny :D
Calexis Atredies Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.01 13:45:00 - [60] Calexis Atredies waves to Waxau Originally by: Waxau Originally by: Darth Decon Edited by: Darth Decon on 01/02/2008 05:14:30 Originally by: slothe my setup 2x gang mods 5(?) x neutron blasters t2 mwd web disruptor t2 lse t2 dread guristas passive em hardner 1x large sb 3x pds 1x mag stab 2x core defence whatsits drones instead of 1 magstab you would want at least two if not three and 1 PDS in the low's In the mids You can keep you're MWD, web and Disruptor 2, Put a invule t2 and keep the EM hardner and the LSB and you can tank 513 DPS In the High's Keep the x5 Nutron blaster II's and use only 1 gang assist mod that will give you 407 DPS and 1175 alpha to work with. the drones should be Hobgoblin II's x5 which in total will bring your Dps to 506 and still 1175 alpha. In the rigslots Put 2 core diffrence field purger 1 Lol @ Your Advice giving. But you made a spelling mistake - Shouldnt it be a Medium Shield Booster? ^ owned :P This thread is now belong to the drunkards!! But Darth seriously you're getting input from people who have thrown their ships in the deep end and tweaked their setups untill they are at their optimum. Here is the best tip though: Take your ship onto SI and sit it in FFA1 and adjust the tank untill you find the one which helps you survive longest :P

Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.01 14:15:00 - [61] sorry just thought i would give an input on a setup that's all.... I alredy have a setup on my Vulture that helps me alot in Fleet's and small gang's, aswell as Sniper....
Jourm	Posted - 2008.02.01 14:29:00 - [62] I must say, thanks to Darth's stubbornness and Merlin's resulting explanations this has been one of the most educational posts I've seen on the forums as a new player. It's nice to see how versatile one ship can be, and how to adapt it to different situations. Nice to see some poor setups and have a good explanation as to why.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.05 00:58:00 - [63] bump
Clansworth Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.05 05:20:00 - [64] To get this thread back on track, here is by far the best vulture setup ever. This thing actually fits, and has stable cap... obviously, I'm using this for purely carebear activities, but it does do it QUITE well. H: Modulated Deep Core Miner II H: Modulated Deep Core Miner II H: Modulated Deep Core Miner II H: Modulated Deep Core Miner II H: Modulated Deep Core Miner II H: Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization H: 'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher M: Explosion Dampening Amplifier II M: Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II M: Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction M: Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction M: Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction M: Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction L: Expanded Cargohold II L: Expanded Cargohold II L: Expanded Cargohold II L: Expanded Cargohold II R: Core Defence Field Purger I R: Core Defence Field Purger I D: Mining Drone II x5 It can tank, run the mining link, and still pull in about 1000m¦/min.. not bad... no longer do i have to waste a miner for tanking or commanding... :-) New Prospector Class
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.05 13:45:00 - [65] nice setup for a mining vulture first time for evrything
Clansworth Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.06 03:10:00 - [66] Originally by: Darth Decon nice setup for a mining vulture first time for evrything Well, I figured I'm always sitting there in a bc or cs tanking and providing the links.. then i realized the vulture has decent cap and turret slots, so i figured i could pull in ore too... i didn't expect to ge3t this much fit o there, but at least for my skills, it all fits, and now I'm not so bored.. i get to mindless drag ore like the rest of the gang New Prospector Class
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.06 06:45:00 - [67] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 06/02/2008 06:52:49 Ooh. You came back! This is going to be fun! Originally by: Darth Decon Edited by: Darth Decon on 01/02/2008 05:14:30 Originally by: slothe my setup 2x gang mods 5(?) x neutron blasters t2 mwd web disruptor t2 lse t2 dread guristas passive em hardner 1x large sb 3x pds 1x mag stab 2x core defence whatsits drones instead of 1 magstab you would want at least two if not three and 1 PDS in the low's The Vulture's strength is not its dps. Even with 3x magstabs, damage is underwhelming. Your strength is in good range (for blasters) and a strong tank to protect those gang mods. Fitting PDUs gives you more cap for the active tank, and a better HP buffer. Yes, you can trade them for magstabs if you want, but that's personal preference, PDUs are a perfectly legitimate choice, especially for the active tank. And if you're running an active tank, the LSE is kind of pointless. Pick passive or active and do it well, don't try to do both. If you go passive, fit a second LSE II instead of the booster and fit extender rigs. If you go active, fit a cap booster instead of the LSE II, and fit either shield boost cycle time rigs (more peak tank) or shield booster cap use reduction rigs (sustainable for longer). Quote: In the mids You can keep you're MWD, web and Disruptor 2, Put a invule t2 and keep the EM hardner and the LSB and you can tank 513 DPS 513 dps with a LSB tank is pitiful. And you don't want a web on a Vulture, your guns hit well beyond web range, and you're going to have someone tackling for you anyway. If you're going to accept the huge cap drain of an active tank, you want to make it worth it, and that means full tank + MWD in the mids. If you want to fit tackle mods, go with a dual-LSE II buffer tank. For comparison: on my Vulture, I can either fit for maximum peak tank and tank 1400 dps as long as I have cap, or fit for sustainability and tank 1000 dps as long as I have cap booster charges. At only 513 dps tanked (my passive buffer tanked blaster setup tanks that much), you're far better off with the passive buffer setup. Quote: In the High's Keep the x5 Nutron blaster II's and use only 1 gang assist mod that will give you 407 DPS and 1175 alpha to work with. Using only one gang mod is kind of silly. This is a small-gang setup, and that's where the other two gang mods are awesome (the resist gang mod is mandatory on every Vulture). The cycle time mod is amazing for small gangs, so dropping it for the tiny dps improvement from a missile launcher is just stupid. Quote: the drones should be Hobgoblin II's x5 which in total will bring your Dps to 506 and still 1175 alpha. No, the drones should be 5x Warrior IIs for the superior speed and tracking. Dps is NOT the Vulture's strength, you will benefit far more from the superior anti-frigate performance of Warrior IIs than from the tiny dps increase from Hobgoblin IIs. Quote: In the rigslots Put 2 core diffrence field purger 1 Completely wrong, for two major reasons: 1) You're suggesting an active tank, and purger rigs are completely pointless for this. You either fit booster cycle time rigs (more peak tank) or booster cap use reduction rigs (sutainable longer). Any other rig is wrong. 2) Even if you go with a passive tank, you always fit extender rigs for PvP. Purgers are only good for mission ships, in PvP your're taking massive amounts of damage that will blow right through your ideal peak regen zone. Extender rigs give you almost as much peak regen, while giving you a much larger region at that regen, and a much higher buffer to absorb extra damage.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.06 13:44:00 - [68] bump
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.06 13:51:00 - [69] Merin Stay off this post it you want to act like that
Clansworth Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.06 15:21:00 - [70] Now I feel bad for posting in this thread, if this is how it's going to be. Anyways, Merin, dedicating strictly to 'active' or 'passive' tanking is NOT the best way in most cases, as you end up living with too many stacking penalties. If you can get a good mix of resists, regen, AND boosting, you can avoid some of the stacking penalties, and end up getting the most benefit from all your modules. Saying both that a PDU is good because it increases buffer HP, and then also saying that an LSE is bad just makes no sense. Especially since the combination of these two modules actually build upon each other. New Prospector Class

Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.06 16:19:00 - [71] Merin you have 49 kills and you have been playing a year or two longer than I and that tells me one of two things 1) You don't really partake in pvp ops with bob or corp. mate's.... 2) You are afraid to lose ship's in combat hence why you have so few.... Telling everyone on this post what they need to do when you hardly pvp yourself is just plain stupid how about taking some advice from other's who actually pvp and go on op's before you start talking on what people need to do.
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.06 18:03:00 - [72] Originally by: Darth Decon Merin you have 49 kills and you have been playing a year or two longer than I and that tells me one of two things 1) You don't really partake in pvp ops with bob or corp. mate's.... 2) You are afraid to lose ship's in combat hence why you have so few.... Telling everyone on this post what they need to do when you hardly pvp yourself is just plain stupid how about taking some advice from other's who actually pvp and go on op's before you start talking on what people need to do. Lol. Honestly... You wont have found all of Merins kills. Same as you cant find all of mine. Not everyone posts ALL their kills, on the same boards, etc. On topic however, the fact is Darth, people have posted their own opinions here, and you just shut them down. So ill give you mine now: There are 4 types of vulture setups that i use. Blaster Vulture (low dps, but tactic is to tank the opponents DPS long enough for yours to affect their weaker tank), Rail vulture (Full snipe, gang mods, tracking comps and sensor boosters, mag stabs), hp vulture (Mainly a bait ship, with 280k effective hp + gang mods) and the last - sustainable tank setup, used mainly for missions (shield recharge). Your active tanks tank a pitiful amount. Your passive tanks are mixed with actives. And well - We'll leave it there shall we :) Dont start dishing out insults to people, when they outclass you in knowledge and experience. Take their advice, or dont. But dont start SCREAMING IN CAPS THAT THEYRE HUGE SOMETHINGSOMETHING!!!.
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.06 18:05:00 - [73] Originally by: Clansworth Now I feel bad for posting in this thread, if this is how it's going to be. Anyways, Merin, dedicating strictly to 'active' or 'passive' tanking is NOT the best way in most cases, as you end up living with too many stacking penalties. If you can get a good mix of resists, regen, AND boosting, you can avoid some of the stacking penalties, and end up getting the most benefit from all your modules. Saying both that a PDU is good because it increases buffer HP, and then also saying that an LSE is bad just makes no sense. Especially since the combination of these two modules actually build upon each other. Totally disagree. The benefits you gain from a purger rig is good yes. But unless you FIT for that, then it does nothing. You have what? 7k shield hp or something? Actively tanked? Fine. Thats no problem. But then to shove on passive rigs? All that does is mean you die 5 seconds slower than normal. Whereas you could have shield boost cycle rigs, which means you can tank more. Or cap usage, so you use less cap. Either of these gives you a more effective tank, with more use.
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.06 18:06:00 - [74] Originally by: Darth Decon Merin Stay off this post it you want to act like that Surely then, you should stop posting with your attitude problem. Or is this a case of 'its my thread, i can do/say what i want'?
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.06 18:07:00 - [75] Originally by: Darth Decon whine I can't handle criticism! go away! why won't you agree with meeeeeeee!!!!!! If you don't like criticism of your setups and advice, don't post on a public forum. This is a discussion forum, not a "praise the almighty Darth Decon" forum. Originally by: Darth Decon Merin you have 49 kills and you have been playing a year or two longer than I and that tells me one of two things 1) You don't really partake in pvp ops with bob or corp. mate's.... 2) You are afraid to lose ship's in combat hence why you have so few.... Telling everyone on this post what they need to do when you hardly pvp yourself is just plain stupid how about taking some advice from other's who actually pvp and go on op's before you start talking on what people need to do. No, actually it tells you two things: 1) I'm a university student with a life outside of EVE. So while I'm posting from the library between classes right now, there's a limit to how often I can spend 6 hours on a fleet op. So I've been playing for two years, but there are large gaps where I just log in to change skills. 2) I hate killboards. We're talking fiery passion level of hate. The ONLY reason you see those 49 kills is because BoB rules make killboard posts mandatory. So you will never see my kills made outside of BoB, and that's where I've flown the Vulture. Any killboard I appear on will significantly under-represent my actual PvP experience, and that's exactly how I like it. ================================================================= Originally by: Clansworth Anyways, Merin, dedicating strictly to 'active' or 'passive' tanking is NOT the best way in most cases, as you end up living with too many stacking penalties. If you can get a good mix of resists, regen, AND boosting, you can avoid some of the stacking penalties, and end up getting the most benefit from all your modules. Yes, in theory, what you're saying is correct, if you had 30 mid slots or something. But with only 6, you have to focus on doing one thing and doing it well. Let's look at what you have to fit: Every setup: MWD, EM hardener Passive tank: 2x LSE II Active tank: LSB II, cap injector So once you have the mandatory modules fitted, you have two slots left. In the case of the passive tank, you fit 2x invulnerability fields, with active you fit one invulnerability field and a boost amp. Stacking penalties are minor at this point. Your idea of "get some of each" ignores the major problem that a good focused tank is far better than the sum of multiple weak tanks. Putting a booster on a passive tank costs you HP/regen, and drains your cap too quickly. Putting a LSE on the active tank costs you active boost and gives you very little regen without the other passive modules. This is especially true when you consider rigs, passive and active tanks require two completely different sets of rigs. Quote: Saying both that a PDU is good because it increases buffer HP, and then also saying that an LSE is bad just makes no sense. Especially since the combination of these two modules actually build upon each other. There are two issues: 1) The PDU's increased shield HP is listed more as a nice bonus effect rather than the primary goal. The main reason to fit the PDU is for the extra cap to run the active tank and the grid to fit all of your modules. = 2) With PDUs, it isn't a choice between improving the active tank and improving the passive tank. There's no cost to your active tank to fit a PDU, in fact they improve it significantly. On the other hand, every LSE you fit means a direct cost in your active tanking abilities.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.06 18:11:00 - [76] Edited by: Darth Decon on 06/02/2008 18:14:04 Merin the fact of the matter is I donÆt like you I have no problem with anyone else but you because of you attitude and how you act and as far as me shooting all setup's down I donÆt I just donÆt like Merin plain and simple beside's IAC the only thing I shoot down is you in 0.0
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.06 18:55:00 - [77] Rofl :D Oh dear god, the comic genuis that is Darth Decon! Honestly, ive never loved an OP as much as you Darth. You get proved wrong on EVERY front, and you still come back whining and insulting. Merin pointed out your setups downsides. This is after all a public vulture thread for all to see and gain from. What type of community member would he be if he didnt attempt to lead people away from your bad setups. (trust me - Vulture pilot for 2 years...i know how bad those setups are) If you dont like his answers, then fine. But all you're doing is whining like a child who hasnt got his own way. Stop whining, stop being a child, and perhaps take other peoples advice. Or dont even listen to it. But stop throwing your toys out of the cot, or soon people will stop picking them up for you.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.06 19:04:00 - [78] Originally by: Waxau Rofl :D Oh dear god, the comic genuis that is Darth Decon! Honestly, ive never loved an OP as much as you Darth. You get proved wrong on EVERY front, and you still come back whining and insulting. Merin pointed out your setups downsides. This is after all a public vulture thread for all to see and gain from. What type of community member would he be if he didnt attempt to lead people away from your bad setups. (trust me - Vulture pilot for 2 years...i know how bad those setups are) If you dont like his answers, then fine. But all you're doing is whining like a child who hasnt got his own way. Stop whining, stop being a child, and perhaps take other peoples advice. Or dont even listen to it. But stop throwing your toys out of the cot, or soon people will stop picking them up for you. Na im not whining i just dont like merin and some reason you dont seem to grasp that but oh well..... I hate merin thats a fact i dont like IAC either ive never had a prob with anyone else posting here exept merin because of his attitude.
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.06 19:14:00 - [79] Originally by: Darth Decon Originally by: Waxau Rofl :D Oh dear god, the comic genuis that is Darth Decon! Honestly, ive never loved an OP as much as you Darth. You get proved wrong on EVERY front, and you still come back whining and insulting. Merin pointed out your setups downsides. This is after all a public vulture thread for all to see and gain from. What type of community member would he be if he didnt attempt to lead people away from your bad setups. (trust me - Vulture pilot for 2 years...i know how bad those setups are) If you dont like his answers, then fine. But all you're doing is whining like a child who hasnt got his own way. Stop whining, stop being a child, and perhaps take other peoples advice. Or dont even listen to it. But stop throwing your toys out of the cot, or soon people will stop picking them up for you. Na im not whining i just dont like merin and some reason you dont seem to grasp that but oh well..... I hate merin thats a fact i dont like IAC either ive never had a prob with anyone else posting here exept merin because of his attitude. And you seem to forget that IAC, much like all alliances is made of a large number of people. One person doesnt equal ALL of the allianc, and vise versa. As for merin; You honestly think he doesnt like you either? lol. Difference is, hes being constructive. All you're doing is whining (yes - It is whining). So as for attitude problem...You posted setups. Merin gave his opinion. You didnt like it, got moody, and now are in a personal war. Whos got the attitude issue again?
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.06 19:34:00 - [80] Leave it to IAC to mess around in buisness that does not concern them. I stated my opinon of merin and thats all i got to say

Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.06 21:50:00 - [81] Originally by: Darth Decon Leave it to IAC to mess around in buisness that does not concern them. I stated my opinon of merin and thats all i got to say Oh, what a beautiful thing unintentional irony is... Yes, your opinion of me is all you have to say. Instead of actually responding to my criticism and explaining why your setups are better, your entire argument has consisted of "merin isn't nice to me!!!!". And now you're accusing IAC of "messing around in business that does not concern them", because one of their people dared to disagree with you. All you do is continue the pattern of trying to present this as a personal conflict about who is nicer, rather than an objective question of which setup is better. The difference between us is I have answered the second question, in detail, while all you have done is whine about the first.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.06 22:50:00 - [82] Edited by: Darth Decon on 06/02/2008 22:50:25 oh well merin you think you know all there is to know you think you know what my intention is and yet you have no clue i dont like you because you you think you an elete but hey thats just what im getting out from your post's so.... Oh well
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.07 01:11:00 - [83] Originally by: Darth Decon Edited by: Darth Decon on 06/02/2008 22:50:25 oh well merin you think you know all there is to know you think you know what my intention is and yet you have no clue i dont like you because you you think you an elete but hey thats just what im getting out from your post's so.... Oh well Hold on..Im **ed, and i still dont understand what you said. Please, in english, restate what your post was about. If it was a whine or ***, please - Dont bother. Which tbh, means you dont need to post. However on the unlikely occasion that you DO post - GL posting something coherent.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.07 02:16:00 - [84] Originally by: Waxau Originally by: Darth Decon Edited by: Darth Decon on 06/02/2008 22:50:25 oh well merin you think you know all there is to know you think you know what my intention is and yet you have no clue i dont like you because you you think you an elete but hey thats just what im getting out from your post's so.... Oh well Hold on..Im **ed, and i still dont understand what you said. Please, in english, restate what your post was about. If it was a whine or ***, please - Dont bother. Which tbh, means you dont need to post. However on the unlikely occasion that you DO post - GL posting something coherent. you know nothing lol
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.07 07:09:00 - [85] Originally by: Darth Decon Edited by: Darth Decon on 06/02/2008 22:50:25 oh well merin you think you know all there is to know you think you know what my intention is and yet you have no clue i dont like you because you you think you an elete but hey thats just what im getting out from your post's so.... Oh well I would say something in response to this, but honestly, with your painfully bad writing "skills", I have no idea what this incoherent mess is actually supposed to mean. I guess that speaks for itself, really. So anyway, feel free to come back when you have something constructive to say about Vulture setups. I'm done listening to you whine about how everyone is being so unfair to you by not showing the proper respect for your godlike EFT skills.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.07 12:20:00 - [86] merin seriously im sick of you mocking my spelling so you can go **** yourself
Amber Lazarin	Posted - 2008.02.07 17:48:00 - [87] To be honest despite the the OP and Merin arguing thsi is a very good thread for vulture setup information, and I am hoping Merin that you might have a kick ass mining director vulture setup up your sleeve. Basically i am looking for a vulture setup running all 3 mining links and the best tank it can possibly field, mostly against the Drone region rats.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.02.07 18:40:00 - [88] I haven't laughed so hard at a thread in a long time! Let it go Darth. Just Let It Go The more you respond to things the worse you're coming off. You claimed to be an American, so you should be a native English speaker. Take 5 minutes from your e-rage, preview what you have written, check for spelling and grammar. Then check to see if it has something constructive to say about Vulture setups. Hilarity aside - this is a very informative post for a vulture. When the Ferox changes come through I will refer to this thread as a basis for potential setups. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
Klavayne Free Mercenaries Union FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2008.02.07 19:00:00 - [89] Originally by: Amber Lazarin Basically i am looking for a vulture setup running all 3 mining links and the best tank it can possibly field, mostly against the Drone region rats. I'd guess you'd start with something simple like this... 3x Mining links 4x whatever, room for quite a bit. 3x Large t2 extenders 2x Invulnerability fields 1x EM hardener 2x PDS 2x Shield power relay Can be made cap stable with good enough skills, tank will last forever ofc. Can be improved in individual aspects i guess but it will do exactly the job required of it. Oh yea, should omnitank around 900+ dps if not about 1100 with gang skills.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.07 19:22:00 - [90] yeah your right it's not worth it

Sheamis Kast I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2008.02.07 21:44:00 - [91] Merin, for you Blaster setup you have a Heavy Missile Launcher on their and I am curious as to why not a HAM? Since you will be in Blaster range it would seem like you may as well fit a HAM for the slightly better damage. Also would you consider Blasters viable on the Small-Gang setup? The DPS on Rails is so pitiful that it seems like you are better off fitting Blasters and just waiting until you get into range with the AB.
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.07 22:49:00 - [92] Originally by: Sheamis Kast Merin, for you Blaster setup you have a Heavy Missile Launcher on their and I am curious as to why not a HAM? Since you will be in Blaster range it would seem like you may as well fit a HAM for the slightly better damage. Also would you consider Blasters viable on the Small-Gang setup? The DPS on Rails is so pitiful that it seems like you are better off fitting Blasters and just waiting until you get into range with the AB. HAM = Higher fitting reqs. However, i used to use Heavy Missiles due to skill placement. I could use t2 Heavies far more effectively (dps wise) than t1 HAMs. As for blasters, i tend to always go blasters in small gang, and rails in fleet. Bulture setups tend not to work well for fast locking situations (Eg - Fleet ops, and such). So if i were you, small gangs = Neutrons (Range and damage/alpha (as best as caldari can get:P)) Large gangs = 250mm (no tank, just lock time and tracking) The damage may suck on rails, but when compared, rails and blasters dont alter much. Slightly more dps with blasters, and ofc a decent 'damage' ammo type, but its all based on preference.
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.08 03:23:00 - [93] Originally by: Sheamis Kast Merin, for you Blaster setup you have a Heavy Missile Launcher on their and I am curious as to why not a HAM? Since you will be in Blaster range it would seem like you may as well fit a HAM for the slightly better damage. Also would you consider Blasters viable on the Small-Gang setup? The DPS on Rails is so pitiful that it seems like you are better off fitting Blasters and just waiting until you get into range with the AB. Like Waxau, I just don't have the skills for T2 HAMs. I'd rather use T2 HMLs instead of T1 HAMs. As for blasters... yeah, it's a viable small-gang setup. Actually, that's the only place where it's a good setup, since for larger fights you want the extra range of rails. But for a small 2-5 man gang, go with the blasters. And while I'm here, let's all enjoy the brilliant humor of our friend Darth Decon. For some reason, despite claiming it isn't worth it, he seems to enjoy EVEmailing me more incoherent rants. Could anyone translate this into english for me? Quote: 2008.02.07 18:02 your a whiny ass hole you know that i use eft skills but i got my first setup's nuy useing them in a fleet and a small gang so you can go to hell you pulpuse ass
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.08 04:21:00 - [94] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Sheamis Kast Merin, for you Blaster setup you have a Heavy Missile Launcher on their and I am curious as to why not a HAM? Since you will be in Blaster range it would seem like you may as well fit a HAM for the slightly better damage. Also would you consider Blasters viable on the Small-Gang setup? The DPS on Rails is so pitiful that it seems like you are better off fitting Blasters and just waiting until you get into range with the AB. Like Waxau, I just don't have the skills for T2 HAMs. I'd rather use T2 HMLs instead of T1 HAMs. As for blasters... yeah, it's a viable small-gang setup. Actually, that's the only place where it's a good setup, since for larger fights you want the extra range of rails. But for a small 2-5 man gang, go with the blasters. And while I'm here, let's all enjoy the brilliant humor of our friend Darth Decon. For some reason, despite claiming it isn't worth it, he seems to enjoy EVEmailing me more incoherent rants. Could anyone translate this into english for me? Quote: 2008.02.07 18:02 your a whiny ass hole you know that i use eft skills but i got my first setup's nuy useing them in a fleet and a small gang so you can go to hell you pulpuse ass Yeah im calmed down now and let it go fly safe people
Seven Reth Minmatar Institute of Engineering STELLAR LEGION	Posted - 2008.02.08 04:24:00 - [95] Wow.
Viscount Hood UK Corp Rare Faction	Posted - 2008.02.08 10:41:00 - [96] Edited by: Viscount Hood on 08/02/2008 10:44:02 Excellent a Vulture thread! I'm currently working towards Vulture's, i'm about 2 months or so away from flying one, but I can't help myself tinker with a few setups. These are in theory of course. Do you think i'm on the right lines here or am I barking up the wrong moon? Small gang setup hi slots 5 x Heavy Neutron II 2 x shield gang mod med slots 1 x Large shield booster II 2 x invuln field II 1 x cap booster II 1 x sensor booster II 1 x 10mn MWD lo slots 1 x PDS II 1 x RCU II 1 x Mag stab II 1 x damage control II Rigs 2 x shield extender Fleet setup Hi slots 5 x 250mm railgun II 1 x shield gang mod med slots 1 x L shield extender II 1 x tracking comp II 1 x invuln field II 2 x sensor booster II 1 x 10mn MwD low slots 2 x PDS II 1 x RCU II 1 x mag stab II Rigs 2 x shield extender
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.08 11:25:00 - [97] Originally by: Viscount Hood Edited by: Viscount Hood on 08/02/2008 10:44:02 Excellent a Vulture thread! I'm currently working towards Vulture's, i'm about 2 months or so away from flying one, but I can't help myself tinker with a few setups. These are in theory of course. Do you think i'm on the right lines here or am I barking up the wrong moon? Small gang setup hi slots 5 x Heavy Neutron II 2 x shield gang mod med slots 1 x Large shield booster II 2 x invuln field II 1 x cap booster II 1 x sensor booster II 1 x 10mn MWD lo slots 1 x PDS II 1 x RCU II 1 x Mag stab II 1 x damage control II Rigs 2 x shield extender Fleet setup Hi slots 5 x 250mm railgun II 1 x shield gang mod med slots 1 x L shield extender II 1 x tracking comp II 1 x invuln field II 2 x sensor booster II 1 x 10mn MwD low slots 2 x PDS II 1 x RCU II 1 x mag stab II Rigs 2 x shield extender Blaster setup looks near enough ok tbh. Keep in mind, the idea behind it in solo fights (I know thats not what your setup is for, but for general knowledge) is that your lesser dps breaks their tank over a long period of time, meanwhile their higher dps doesnt break your tank. I would however replace your 2nd invuln for a photon scattering field II. Gives you more balanced resists, and more worthwhile. As for the sensor booster, i see little point in all honesty. Yes you lock faster, but if you're in a small gang, its not as vital. atleast in my eyes. Focus on dps and tank. Eg - replace with shield boost amp. On that note, extender rigs dont do much, unless you go passive/hp. Id suggest you go for the shield cap usage/cycle time reducers. I use a pith c-type LSB on my bulture, and has a cycle time of 2.7 seconds or something. Very nice in gank situations. I think i tanked a few BS for my deagression time to drop on a gate. Also - Try to reduce the amount of RCU you have. I dont fit any, and only have AWU to lvl 3. The gang mods are probs to blame, but might be ways to reduce it etc. As for the snipe setup - focus here on sniping. My mids i focus on 3 sensor boosters, 3 tracking comps, 3 mag stabs, and 1 tracking enhancer. An mwd is justified, granted. But no form of tank imo. You should be at ranges of 150km if sniping, and 60km if using antimatter. If you're at the latter, you need a suicide letter for your wife, and in that situation, tank doesnt matter. You'll either live or not :) An extender or two wont save you. When sniping, i usually sit at 170km, sniping frigs and pods - And have ecm drones out - For any tacklers that i cant dispatch on their way to me. Generally speaking, if anything is within 60km of you, you shouldnt be there when sniping.
Viscount Hood UK Corp Rare Faction	Posted - 2008.02.08 12:02:00 - [98] Useful advice thanks. Sniping optimal range is 156km + optimal. I don't think thats too bad Time and again I find that I need to fit a sensor booster to gain lock time in gangs. If you can't lock fast enough, you won't get a shot off before the target is dead, which can be very frustrating. Really small gangs of about 10 and under I would be tempted to fit a target painter.
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.08 12:16:00 - [99] Originally by: Viscount Hood Useful advice thanks. Sniping optimal range is 156km + optimal. I don't think thats too bad Time and again I find that I need to fit a sensor booster to gain lock time in gangs. If you can't lock fast enough, you won't get a shot off before the target is dead, which can be very frustrating. Really small gangs of about 10 and under I would be tempted to fit a target painter. Whilst it may be annoying that you dont get a shot off, the fact that the target dies so fast, means you dont NEED one to be effective.
Sedai Hara The Forsakened Companions Pure.	Posted - 2008.02.08 15:28:00 - [100] Edited by: Sedai Hara on 08/02/2008 15:28:23 Oh noes! Another vulture thread and I have missed it!! Four pages!! Bloody hll much reading to do. Anyway Marin and Waxau got some great setups (Used them with great sucess) Though i myself fell in total love with teh following setup: (Ops, I like using some faction stuff, which realy makes the ship better by a large margin) 5x Medium Neutrons II 2x Medium Nos (diminishing or any faction you find, I didnt see it worth it throwing out for the faction stuff here though) 1x Large Dread Gurista Sheild booster (Love this one, and is realy worth it) 1x TS med cap injector 1x Booster amp (t2) 1x 24km point (or anything better if you like, but I work in gangs so meh) 1x Invulver II, as faction ones are very expensive but worth it 1x Photon scattering fild II 2x Magnetic field stabs II (Recently i am using this Tuvans modified I found, cant find a buyer :( 1x Shadow serp PDS II for that extra powergrid 1x DCU II 2x Cycle time rigs(cant remember name) 5x Hornet ECM drones or warrior II What this setup lacks is a MWD, clearly, but its used in defence gangs atm and for giggles. But you could drop the med NOSes for say gang modules and ditch the Point for a MWD. Anyway with a effective range of well over 20km+ it doesnt need a MWD for gate-to-gate work. Also this fits without AWU 4, and no havent done it in EFT (hate that tool) so i got no numbers, though i sat happily ever after tanking a Torp raven, Megathron and a fleet issue tempest, all good fitted, for a very long time. Might even do a fleet sniper of one of these :D ----------------------------- Originally by:* Ozzie Asrail A mega without 3 magstabs fitted is like kladdkaka without chocolate.

Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.09 14:51:00 - [101] bump
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.09 16:06:00 - [102] Originally by: Darth Decon bump No need to bump it mate - If folks need a vulture setup, they'll come here. If folks want to add stuff, they'll add it. It doesnt need to be on the front page each and every day.
Fitz VonHeise The New Order. United Connection's	Posted - 2008.02.09 18:26:00 - [103] You missed my setup for PVP Support: Siege Warfare Link - Shield Efficiency Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing Siege Warfare Link - Active Shielding 2x X-Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter Large Energy Transfer Array II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Medium Shield Booster II 3x Cap Recharger II 4x Capacitor Power Relay II Rigs : 2x Capacitor Control Circuit I This assumes you have Siege Mindlink installed.
Calexis Atredies Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.10 19:45:00 - [104] Edited by: Calexis Atredies on 10/02/2008 19:49:06 Originally by: Darth Decon Originally by: Waxau Rofl :D Oh dear god, the comic genuis that is Darth Decon! Honestly, ive never loved an OP as much as you Darth. You get proved wrong on EVERY front, and you still come back whining and insulting. Merin pointed out your setups downsides. This is after all a public vulture thread for all to see and gain from. What type of community member would he be if he didnt attempt to lead people away from your bad setups. (trust me - Vulture pilot for 2 years...i know how bad those setups are) If you dont like his answers, then fine. But all you're doing is whining like a child who hasnt got his own way. Stop whining, stop being a child, and perhaps take other peoples advice. Or dont even listen to it. But stop throwing your toys out of the cot, or soon people will stop picking them up for you. Na im not whining i just dont like merin and some reason you dont seem to grasp that but oh well..... I hate merin thats a fact i dont like IAC either ive never had a prob with anyone else posting here exept merin because of his attitude. Did someone just say they dont like IAC?? Good God what have we done wrong :) Sorry to rain on your parade Darth but if you were to judge IAC by Waxau's standard that would be a compliment, he's a good caldari pilot and is a valued asset in our fleets. I as a fellow vulture pilot who bases his ships purely on tank (my god the wivern couldnt have me) am dying a little inside everytime you flame reasonable responses from the community. I ask people out of their free will to please do not post any mopre comments here as you are only throwing fuel onto a fire that should have burnt out long ago.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.10 22:30:00 - [105] Originally by: Calexis Atredies Edited by: Calexis Atredies on 10/02/2008 19:49:06 Originally by: Darth Decon Originally by: Waxau Rofl :D Oh dear god, the comic genuis that is Darth Decon! Honestly, ive never loved an OP as much as you Darth. You get proved wrong on EVERY front, and you still come back whining and insulting. Merin pointed out your setups downsides. This is after all a public vulture thread for all to see and gain from. What type of community member would he be if he didnt attempt to lead people away from your bad setups. (trust me - Vulture pilot for 2 years...i know how bad those setups are) If you dont like his answers, then fine. But all you're doing is whining like a child who hasnt got his own way. Stop whining, stop being a child, and perhaps take other peoples advice. Or dont even listen to it. But stop throwing your toys out of the cot, or soon people will stop picking them up for you. Na im not whining i just dont like merin and some reason you dont seem to grasp that but oh well..... I hate merin thats a fact i dont like IAC either ive never had a prob with anyone else posting here exept merin because of his attitude. Did someone just say they dont like IAC?? Good God what have we done wrong :) Sorry to rain on your parade Darth but if you were to judge IAC by Waxau's standard that would be a compliment, he's a good caldari pilot and is a valued asset in our fleets. I as a fellow vulture pilot who bases his ships purely on tank (my god the wivern couldnt have me) am dying a little inside everytime you flame reasonable responses from the community. I ask people out of their free will to please do not post any mopre comments here as you are only throwing fuel onto a fire that should have burnt out long ago. This is just a post to post vulture setup now the argument's are over so please just comment on setup's or post one your self thanks
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.10 22:43:00 - [106] Originally by: Darth Decon Originally by: Calexis Atredies Edited by: Calexis Atredies on 10/02/2008 19:49:06 Originally by: Darth Decon Originally by: Waxau Rofl :D Oh dear god, the comic genuis that is Darth Decon! Honestly, ive never loved an OP as much as you Darth. You get proved wrong on EVERY front, and you still come back whining and insulting. Merin pointed out your setups downsides. This is after all a public vulture thread for all to see and gain from. What type of community member would he be if he didnt attempt to lead people away from your bad setups. (trust me - Vulture pilot for 2 years...i know how bad those setups are) If you dont like his answers, then fine. But all you're doing is whining like a child who hasnt got his own way. Stop whining, stop being a child, and perhaps take other peoples advice. Or dont even listen to it. But stop throwing your toys out of the cot, or soon people will stop picking them up for you. Na im not whining i just dont like merin and some reason you dont seem to grasp that but oh well..... I hate merin thats a fact i dont like IAC either ive never had a prob with anyone else posting here exept merin because of his attitude. Did someone just say they dont like IAC?? Good God what have we done wrong :) Sorry to rain on your parade Darth but if you were to judge IAC by Waxau's standard that would be a compliment, he's a good caldari pilot and is a valued asset in our fleets. I as a fellow vulture pilot who bases his ships purely on tank (my god the wivern couldnt have me) am dying a little inside everytime you flame reasonable responses from the community. I ask people out of their free will to please do not post any mopre comments here as you are only throwing fuel onto a fire that should have burnt out long ago. This is just a post to post vulture setup now the argument's are over so please just comment on setup's or post one your self thanks Could have said the same about that last post. You didnt talk about setups, nor post your own
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.11 00:22:00 - [107] I alredy posted my setup just said let this be a post to post setup's so please no more arguing....
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.13 18:09:00 - [108] bump
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.02.13 19:20:00 - [109] i never said my setup was perfect its just what i use. ive tried various setups but this one suits me for what i do and the way the gangs i work with operate. there is no uber setup that works in all scenarios, there are simply setups that work with the right people at the right times.
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.13 19:43:00 - [110] Originally by: Darth Decon bump Stop bumping it..geez. What use is there in bumping it? You dont see me bumping my chimera setup threads do you????

Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.13 20:12:00 - [111] Originally by: Merin Ryskin And while I'm here, let's all enjoy the brilliant humor of our friend Darth Decon. For some reason, despite claiming it isn't worth it, he seems to enjoy EVEmailing me more incoherent rants. Could anyone translate this into english for me? Unless you speak exceptionally brutal Sith, you don't have much of a chance of understanding anything he says.
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.13 20:20:00 - [112] The rule for the fourms say i can bump once a day and ive olny bumped once a week with this post :P PS: any one know of a good geddon setup?
Lorz0r You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.02.13 20:44:00 - [113] This thread is ******* hilarious In all seriousness: Fit a LSB not a MSB. Here's a simple list for you. 1.Double the shield for double the cap. That simple. 2.Has NO (ZERO.NONE.NOTHING.NADA) disadvantage to a MSB apart from fitting. 3.If you can't fit a LSB, don't use a MSB. Use something else. 4.But really you should fit a LSB for an active tank so MAKE IT FIT.
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.13 21:30:00 - [114] Originally by: Darth Decon The rule for the fourms say i can bump once a day and ive olny bumped once a week with this post :P PS: any one know of a good geddon setup? So lets make a ship setup thread for every ship out there, and bump it every day. Therefore, any Non-ship setup threads will be 5 pages back. Good idea? hmm lets think about that....
Colonel Branigain Midnight Suns	Posted - 2008.02.13 22:36:00 - [115] I say fit your ships as you want. I've used the vulture in many capacities. But in my opinion the first rule of fitting any ship must be to fit it to the job you are putting it to. One of my favorite set ups I use is long range sniper set up with the mids filled with t2 sensor boosters and tracking comps, the lows fitted with tracking enhancers and sensor mods. and 5 t2 250s with spike ammo for the long range pinging. I use this mostly to support gang ops and to pick off drones before they come to bear on my corpmates. Which is just good fun. In my opinion though the vulture is a wonderful ship for squad leaders who have squads of shield dependent ships like drakes, cerbs, etc. which begs that the pilot of said vulture have his seige warfare specialization maxed out and his implant in. Fortunately the price of siege warfare mindlinks is down considerably from what they were when they were first introduced. The extra shielding this passes onto your gang, not to mention its effect on your seige modules are important. That said, one should consider the value of maxing out skirmish warfare as well, and making one of the skirmish warfare gang mods an essential part of your gang-boosting high slots. I'll leave the specifics for your own deduction. Again Just my two cents... flame away We hate Mirph, its the kind of personal, deep down loathing that makes you pet your favorite gun and smile. Yes we hate Mirph, the kind of hate that keeps our lasers warm, and our railguns low on ammo
Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.13 23:50:00 - [116] Waxu dont get sentamental just because i choose to bump once a week
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.14 01:17:00 - [117] Originally by: Darth Decon Waxu dont get sentamental just because i choose to bump once a week ?
musgrattio Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.02.14 08:21:00 - [118] All I can say is that this thread is made of 100% pure WIN. Much love from me. Some nice setups too...
Reacz Caldari Empirius Enigmus Navy Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.14 10:19:00 - [119] Edited by: Reacz on 14/02/2008 10:21:19 I put forward the motion that Darth Decon be elected king of the EVE-O forums. Does he have your vote? Fleet: Rails + HMLS II. Gang: Blasters + HAMS II. Rest of my setup is like the BoB guys.
Magazaki	Posted - 2008.02.14 14:49:00 - [120] Edited by: Magazaki on 14/02/2008 14:50:59 Originally by: Sedai Hara 1x Large Dread Gurista Sheild booster (Love this one, and is realy worth it) Second that, I use them on my eagles, they rock, and they're not THAT expensive... Although the Large Dread gurista ShIEld boosters work marginally better On another note: This thread delivers. -----sig----- Originally by: Kaemonn:Signature Originally by: kieron: off duty You dont have to swallow! Win...

Darth Decon Shadow Of The Light Scorched Earth Directive	Posted - 2008.02.14 19:52:00 - [121] Edited by: Darth Decon on 14/02/2008 19:52:28 Hey i seen what there doing to the ferox does that mean they will put and extra turret on a vulture aswell?
King O'Ireland	Posted - 2008.02.17 12:44:00 - [122] Holy crap, I actually read all 5 pages of logical setup suggestions and the drama that consumes some people as if they had sand in their vaginas. The fact that I read all the way to here shows why 'reality' tv shows have such good ratings these days. When it comes to the vulture, or any other ship, I always try to remember what situation I am bringing it into and then apply my tank properly. But first I fit my ship for its specified role and then I fit the tank. If I know I will be sitting 200km of a gate camp giving bonuses then active tanking all the way....and not always with a LSB but sometimes a X-Large SB depending on setup. If I know we will be warping into gate camps or there is a good chance of up close and personal pvp....then I go passive due to the fact I seem to get nuetralized more often that not. Also, if you have gang links applied your tank can be tweaked to maximize your abilities with the 3 siege warfare links. As an example...shield harmonizing provides a decent resist boost, so instead of doubling up on invul II's(if that's what you do) you may want to leave one off and place a passive/active specific shield resist in its place. Also with maxed siege warfare skills it is almost a shame not to keep a shield boost on your vulture to take advantage of the other bonuses to SB'ing. They can make you tank like a beast, and your fleet mates too, as long as somoene doesn't rob you of all your cap. Well I hope I added something to think about on this thread though I did not say any specific set ups. Mine always change depending on what situation I know I will find myself in and I haven't lost a vulture yet(*crosses fingers behind back). That day is fast and coming I am sure. I will try to post specific setups that I have had luck with in the near future.
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.17 13:13:00 - [123] Originally by: Darth Decon Edited by: Darth Decon on 14/02/2008 19:52:28 Hey i seen what there doing to the ferox does that mean they will put and extra turret on a vulture aswell? No - Welcome to last month.
JenDen Caldari The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.02.18 23:21:00 - [124] Tried few setups and so far I like my passive fleet vulture the most. Gives me nice DD survivability and ability to sustain decent focus fire for the time being. With some fancy implants the numbers could've been even better but I'm too poor for that And yeah, sometimes I replace Cloak with Cyno generator, depends on CTA's goal. Sig: StackNerfing * GangLinks
Darth Decon Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.02.20 13:20:00 - [125] bump IAC blue to Bruce?
Viscount Hood UK Corp Rare Faction	Posted - 2008.02.20 13:29:00 - [126] Why bump this. If it runs it course it will do so. bumping it makes it very uninteresting.
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.20 13:35:00 - [127] Originally by: Darth Decon bump IAC blue to Bruce? Dont care about standings - With your vulture setups, you'll be easy to pop, and with these posts and bumps youre doing, youre just making me even more tempted to do blue on blue..
Darth Decon Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.02.20 13:38:00 - [128] Edited by: Darth Decon on 20/02/2008 13:38:53 Originally by: Waxau Originally by: Darth Decon bump IAC blue to Bruce? Dont care about standings - With your vulture setups, you'll be easy to pop, and with these posts and bumps youre doing, youre just making me even more tempted to do blue on blue.. Waxau Let my vulter setup go dude lol oh and pluse if you havent killed it dont mock it but hey dont take my word for it And as far as bumping gose ill bump once a week because i know what the rule's are.
Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.20 14:56:00 - [129] Originally by: Darth Decon Edited by: Darth Decon on 20/02/2008 13:38:53 Originally by: Waxau Originally by: Darth Decon bump IAC blue to Bruce? Dont care about standings - With your vulture setups, you'll be easy to pop, and with these posts and bumps youre doing, youre just making me even more tempted to do blue on blue.. Waxau Let my vulter setup go dude lol oh and pluse if you havent killed it dont mock it but hey dont take my word for it And as far as bumping gose ill bump once a week because i know what the rule's are. And you're also also allowed to consumate you love with your sibling in Texas or somewhere. Doesnt mean you should.
Darth Decon Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.02.20 15:07:00 - [130] Thats the most discusting crap i heard Waxau ya need your head examend

Waxau The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.20 15:19:00 - [131] Originally by: Darth Decon Thats the most discusting crap i heard Waxau ya need your head examend ? Lol. Yes im sorry - Let me go change those laws, because you know - I made them up. Stop bumping this thread. If people need it, they'll search for it. Honestly..
Darth Decon Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.02.20 15:24:00 - [132] Edited by: Darth Decon on 20/02/2008 15:24:54 Yeah ok ill stop bumping but no more EWWWWWW stuff ok I only bumped because someone might get some help off of these setup's that are posted here but your right they can Search it if they need it.
Clamn8er Refuge of the Damned	Posted - 2008.02.26 13:58:00 - [133] God bless ye for the mirth you have provided in this thread! Was scanning for a validation of a vulture setup and was expecting the usual convoluted, boring threads. Well not here! Merin, thank you for sharing your thoughts; clear, concise and effective. Darth, you should consider adding "Brutally Stupid Player" after your name. Your one saving grace is that Merin took the trouble to explain his thinking, thereby illuminating the rest of us also. -- Find Peace in the Flame
Klavayne Free Mercenaries Union	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:04:00 - [134] Edited by: Klavayne on 27/02/2008 15:05:21 Definitely a very useful topic as i'm planning on finally putting my command ship skills to a use other than the NH. Merins blaster vulture setup especially caught my eye as it looks pretty damn good. Putting it into EFT i did find some variations which people might consider. Swapping out an invuln field for a 3rd extender in the mids increases the effective HP, with the downside of leaving no room for a second gang link up to. But, a second wasnt mentioned in the original setup. Alternatively, as well as swapping the invuln, swapping out a PDS for a damage control also boosts effective HP further. But this is much more of a tight squeeze and needs AWU5 and a 3% power grid implant, which is fine for me but might be a stretch skillwise for some. I think Merin mentioned having about 185k effective HP with the original bulture setup, if thats the case then with the same gang skills swapping both invuln and PDS will boost effective HP to about 220k. There are drawbacks however which may be why the other setup is used but both look quite valid in theory. Hopefully this is useful for people considering a passive vulture setup.


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