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Gorefacer Caldari Resurrection	Posted - 2008.02.02 23:59:00 - [91] Originally by: Eacham Graeme It's been fun, and I'm looking forward to having more fun. Tis why we play the game, no? Common sense would dictate "yes". You don't get that feeling by reading this message board though, do you? "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus
Exioce Gallente Trisomy 21	Posted - 2008.02.03 00:01:00 - [92] Originally by: Zorland You sound like a racist to me.... When your argument fails, accuse them of racism, eh?
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.02.03 00:02:00 - [93] Edited by: Zorland on 03/02/2008 00:04:25 Edited by: Zorland on 03/02/2008 00:03:02 Originally by: Exioce Originally by: Zorland Well if BOB is under attack by the rest of EVE for the reason of cheating then they must all be involved in the act right? And I said already, if you think that an alliance like BOB (or any other alliance tbh) will benefit from 1 tech 2 BPO, then you are really clueless about how biggest alliances in game generate ISK. Yes, because a bpo worth at least 10 billion isk on the open market, producing an item of limited supply and great practical use, confers absolutely no benefit whatsoever to those who have it. And it was more than one bpo, eight if I remember correctly. And you call others clueless... Even if they received a single t1 bpo any use of it would still be the proceeds of cheating. That will never change. Well I have to at you for thinking that 10 bil is a LOT of isk. Eight what? BOB members had stolen 8 tech 2 BPO's? Is that what you are saying? You have a proof to back that up or you just making stuff up now? Yes, one guy was cheating. And CCP reversed that. What does that have to do with other BOB members?
Exioce Gallente Trisomy 21	Posted - 2008.02.03 00:07:00 - [94] Edited by: Exioce on 03/02/2008 00:07:37 Originally by: Zorland Well I have to at you for thinking that 10 bil is a LOT of isk. So I'm a racist AND poor. wow Zorland, you really are clutching at straws today. If you could formulate a decent point it wouldn't really be necessary. Quote: Eight what? BOB members had stolen 8 tech 2 BPO's? Is that what you are saying? You have a proof to back that up or you just making stuff up now? Eight bpo's were given to BoB by t20, dumbass. Most were ammo types, but it's more than anyone else got from any dev.
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.02.03 00:10:00 - [95] Originally by: Exioce Originally by: Zorland You sound like a racist to me.... When your argument fails, accuse them of racism, eh? Who said my arguments failed? But yes, in general when you accuse many for the act of one, you can say that's because you hate a specific group or race.
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.02.03 00:15:00 - [96] Edited by: Zorland on 03/02/2008 00:16:05 Edited by: Zorland on 03/02/2008 00:15:37 Originally by: Exioce Edited by: Exioce on 03/02/2008 00:07:37 Originally by: Zorland Well I have to at you for thinking that 10 bil is a LOT of isk. So I'm a racist AND poor. wow Zorland, you really are clutching at straws today. If you could formulate a decent point it wouldn't really be necessary. Quote: Eight what? BOB members had stolen 8 tech 2 BPO's? Is that what you are saying? You have a proof to back that up or you just making stuff up now? Eight bpo's were given to BoB by t20, dumbass. Most were ammo types, but it's more than anyone else got from any dev. Oh so I am a dumbass now, my dear Goon alt(and I call you Goon alt based on your corp history). Talking about failed argument right there. No need for me to furhter discuss this subject with you , Sir. I'll leave it to the forum readers to make their own conclusions.
Exioce Gallente Trisomy 21	Posted - 2008.02.03 00:18:00 - [97] Originally by: Zorland Who said my arguments failed? But yes, in general when you accuse many for the act of one, you can say that's because you hate a specific group or race. Your arguments have clearly failed, since your only recourse is to attempt to equate my factual assertion that BoB as a whole benefited from those ill-gotten assets with racism.
TWD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.03 00:18:00 - [98] Damn alts arguing with eachother.
Exioce Gallente Trisomy 21	Posted - 2008.02.03 00:20:00 - [99] Originally by: Zorland I've failed to make any decent arguments so I shall now run away Fixed that for you.
DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2008.02.03 00:22:00 - [100] Hey, there's a guy here still pretending to be me. Even after my return? That is pretty hilarious, but it infringes on my forum greatness. Specifically, your propaganda blows massive chunks Digicomm, and I am forced to consign you to witlessness in my space journal :( If you want to make an argument for why the Coalition sucks, all you have to do is tell the truth. LIKE SO: Its a coalition consisting of virtually all the major players in 0.0, and the merger of two geographic power blocs that were each massive on their own. Common hate being the only unifying factor in this otherwise unlikely pairing. This hate being the resultant of being provoked and threatened sufficiently enough by a single group no bigger than any of theirs across a time span of two years. For one year now, individual Coalition members put aside any personal ambitions to each become the strongest and greatest alliances in EVE - simply to focus on annihilating said group. Presumably because they saw the power gap between the enemy and each one of themselves grow wider, while the gap in territory grew narrower. Either way they had no desire/ability/willpower to achieve it alone. This Coalition failed in the first six months, while having the largest advantage in numbers and propaganda anyone has ever had in EVE history by orders of magnitude. They were also simultaneous victims to both the two largest single military defeats, and the biggest failure of spy intelligence in this time. Now they're claiming space and making ground, using the only strategy BoB hasn't found a counter for already, and the strategy they intended to use from the start. All the while, this Coalition is preparing themselves for the coming declaration of victory when the last station falls based on all accounts. Only the enemy they're fighting isn't likely to care and disband as they might have in a similar situation, since the whole war is a testament to domination in EVE and one massive ego stroke for BoB. Especially more so since the conquest of more territory than one needs had this intent to begin with, and despite memetic jokes to the contrary, no one would put it past BoB to look for such an ego stroke (personal experience hay). The shady Halo2/Crysis ending where BoB has no space but still lives as a competent fighting force will result in a propaganda war. Proponents of the Coalition try to present the idea of having achieved goals/victory to BoB and EVE, and having done a service to EVE. Which is only serving as fuel for the next two years of war as BoB fights for the precarious position of "best alliance" as they always have, only with different momentum and more freedom of choice. It will be in a 0.0 environment where everyone can see the giant pink rhino in the room but nobody wants to talk or deal with it outside of token anti-rhino support groups to token allies. Because for the first time in years there isn't an obvious solution, and the incentives to focus on empire building at home (or become disinterested or paranoid of certain other groups) are back. <bsg> All this has happened before, and all this will happen again </bsg> Unf _______________________________ http://epicwords.net/
DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2008.02.03 00:25:00 - [101] Hey where'd my avatar go ;\ _______________________________ http://epicwords.net/
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.02.03 00:28:00 - [102] Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 03/02/2008 00:30:45 Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 03/02/2008 00:29:32 Originally by: Exioce Edited by: Exioce on 03/02/2008 00:07:37 Originally by: Zorland Well I have to at you for thinking that 10 bil is a LOT of isk. So I'm a racist AND poor. wow Zorland, you really are clutching at straws today. If you could formulate a decent point it wouldn't really be necessary. Quote: Eight what? BOB members had stolen 8 tech 2 BPO's? Is that what you are saying? You have a proof to back that up or you just making stuff up now? Eight bpo's were given to BoB by t20, dumbass. Most were ammo types, but it's more than anyone else got from any dev. I thought it was a sabre bpo and a t2 ammo bpo i do not remember there being 6 others or that the whole of bob was involved so blaming an entire alliance for the misdeads of a select few is stupid. Plus i do not see how it changed the course of all the wars they fought even if their was 8 cos at best it would have made 4 ppl self suffecient. The whole t20 issue seems to me like a flag bitter victims of bob wars or currant enemies drag out like some sort of flag to wave around but tbqfh its a rather thread bare and pathetic flag at best. The t20 thing could have happened in any alliance in game not just bob and to blame an entire alliance for the misdeads of a few is pitiful. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it! Free marakor unjustly imprisoned (banned) i miss his posts.
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2008.02.03 00:29:00 - [103] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Specifically, your propaganda blows massive chunks Digicomm, and I am forced to consign you to witlessness in my space journal :( If you want to make an argument for why the Coalition sucks, all you have to do is tell the truth... LIKE SO: ...This Coalition failed in the first six months... Factually wrong. I thought you wanted to give a good example by posting "the truth"? EVE War I-The Beginning - EVE History Wiki
Exioce Gallente Trisomy 21	Posted - 2008.02.03 00:41:00 - [104] Edited by: Exioce on 03/02/2008 00:41:37 Originally by: HEY LISTEN I thought it was a sabre bpo and a t2 ammo bpo i do not remember there being 6 others or that the whole of bob was involved so blaming an entire alliance for the misdeads of a select few is stupid. Plus i do not see how it changed the course of all the wars they fought even if their was 8 cos at best it would have made 4 ppl self suffecient. Did I say all were to blame? No. Did I say all benefited from the assets as a whole? Yes, and that's a fact because what benefits an alliance benefits its individual members. And if you don't see how an asset worth over ten billion isk changes anything then perhaps you should pass all your money and assets to a random person because hey, it won't changed anything for you or that person either, right? Quote: The whole t20 issue seems to me like a flag bitter victims of bob wars or currant enemies drag out like some sort of flag to wave around but tbqfh its a rather thread bare and pathetic flag at best. The t20 thing could have happened in any alliance in game not just bob and to blame an entire alliance for the misdeads of a few is pitiful. Yeah, because it's not like any of it ever happened, right, so let's not mention it ever again
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.02.03 00:51:00 - [105] Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 03/02/2008 00:56:05 Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 03/02/2008 00:52:10 Originally by: Exioce Edited by: Exioce on 03/02/2008 00:41:37 Originally by: HEY LISTEN I thought it was a sabre bpo and a t2 ammo bpo i do not remember there being 6 others or that the whole of bob was involved so blaming an entire alliance for the misdeads of a select few is stupid. Plus i do not see how it changed the course of all the wars they fought even if their was 8 cos at best it would have made 4 ppl self suffecient. Did I say all were to blame? No. Did I say all benefited from the assets as a whole? Yes, and that's a fact because what benefits an alliance benefits its individual members. And if you don't see how an asset worth over ten billion isk changes anything then perhaps you should pass all your money and assets to a random person because hey, it won't changed anything for you or that person either, right? Quote: The whole t20 issue seems to me like a flag bitter victims of bob wars or currant enemies drag out like some sort of flag to wave around but tbqfh its a rather thread bare and pathetic flag at best. The t20 thing could have happened in any alliance in game not just bob and to blame an entire alliance for the misdeads of a few is pitiful. Yeah, because it's not like any of it ever happened, right, so let's not mention it ever again I did not say it made no differance at all i said it made no differance to the wars they won lets face it in a multi multi thousand player war 10 bil is the cost of 1 engagment if that. And i do not say it never happened only that ppl like you drag it up wave it like a sad little flag as if it was the whole of the alliance and like it made some sort of differance to eve apart from for 2 or 3 ppl at most. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it! Free marakor unjustly imprisoned (banned) i miss his posts.
DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2008.02.03 01:02:00 - [106] Originally by: Victor Vision Originally by: DigitalCommunist Specifically, your propaganda blows massive chunks Digicomm, and I am forced to consign you to witlessness in my space journal :( If you want to make an argument for why the Coalition sucks, all you have to do is tell the truth... LIKE SO: ...This Coalition failed in the first six months... Factually wrong. I thought you wanted to give a good example by posting "the truth"? Factually: GBC gained more allies and space :W Factually: Putting "intelligence" in your corp name doesn't mean you have any :G Besides, if I was wrong you'd be quoting something furiously instead of going "nuh uh!". _______________________________ http://epicwords.net/
Exioce Gallente Trisomy 21	Posted - 2008.02.03 01:03:00 - [107] Originally by: HEY LISTEN I did not say it made no differance at all i said it made no differance to the wars they won lets face it in a multi multi thousand player war 10 bil is the cost of 1 engagment if that. When any other alliance in this game is given one free engagement or ten or more deathstars by a dev, then we'll talk. Cheating that benefits someone only slightly is still cheating. Quote: And i do not say it never happened only that ppl like you drag it up wave it like a sad little flag as if it was the whole of the alliance and like it made some sort of differance to eve apart from for 2 or 3 ppl at most. When an alliance insists on telling you how great it is, it is only fitting to remind it that some of that greatness was bought with ill-gotten gains.
Ekram Riz Minmatar Wyland-Yutani Corporation	Posted - 2008.02.03 01:06:00 - [108] Originally by: Exioce Originally by: HEY LISTEN I did not say it made no differance at all i said it made no differance to the wars they won lets face it in a multi multi thousand player war 10 bil is the cost of 1 engagment if that. When any other alliance in this game is given one free engagement or ten or more deathstars by a dev, then we'll talk. Cheating that benefits someone only slightly is still cheating. Quote: And i do not say it never happened only that ppl like you drag it up wave it like a sad little flag as if it was the whole of the alliance and like it made some sort of differance to eve apart from for 2 or 3 ppl at most. When an alliance insists on telling you how great it is, it is only fitting to remind it that some of that greatness was bought with ill-gotten gains. It's the person that was cheating, not the alliance.
Exioce Gallente Trisomy 21	Posted - 2008.02.03 01:09:00 - [109] Originally by: Ekram Riz It's the person that was cheating, not the alliance. The alliance benefited, and was not reduced of assets equal to the value of the benefit derived. The cheater is still employed with the company.
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.02.03 01:10:00 - [110] Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 03/02/2008 01:12:16 Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 03/02/2008 01:10:19 Originally by: Exioce Originally by: HEY LISTEN I did not say it made no differance at all i said it made no differance to the wars they won lets face it in a multi multi thousand player war 10 bil is the cost of 1 engagment if that. When any other alliance in this game is given one free engagement or ten or more deathstars by a dev, then we'll talk. Cheating that benefits someone only slightly is still cheating. Quote: And i do not say it never happened only that ppl like you drag it up wave it like a sad little flag as if it was the whole of the alliance and like it made some sort of differance to eve apart from for 2 or 3 ppl at most. When an alliance insists on telling you how great it is, it is only fitting to remind it that some of that greatness was bought with ill-gotten gains. The coalition had taken 11 bil a day losses in delve so far acording to the molle post you are a clue less noob if you think 10 bil is anything other than pocket change for the alliances involved in this war. But if you wanna believe that the 10 bil worth of bpo's is as you say "greatness was bought with ill-gotten gains" then by all means do so but understand that the rest of us that know how large wars and alliances work are laughing our asses off at you bud cos you do not have a clue. Acouple of players were made self suffecient and they happened to be members of bob anything else is propoganda from bitter victims of their wars. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it! Free marakor unjustly imprisoned (banned) i miss his posts.
Smacker1	Posted - 2008.02.03 01:10:00 - [111] Tbh ALL alliances currently attacking BoB should take a look at themselfs as not one of them could possibly come close to matching them one vs one, or even 2 vs 1 tbh. The dislike for each other BoB and Goons have is caused by the north ( D2 ,Iron and the rest) not being able to lay the smack down on Goons that BoB did themselfs.After all it was Goons smack that got them in trouble with BoB in the first place (xzh-4x being the system i believe this started at) I sit on the fence and watch this all the time and truth be known , i have trouble deciding who i dislike out of BoB and Goon BoB = arrogant ( with rights to be imo but it still don't make it right) Goon = complete idiots boring as hell , and very insulting on the forums on many subjects But the thing that really gets me is watching this forum and seeing chest beating losers like Iron, Mostly useless, and the rest going on like they actually matter in the grand scale of things. Again i state your alliances could ever do anything alone. BoB stand alone against most of EVE right now, and i personally wish them luck and thank them for showing alliances like D2(dead) Iron ,FLA(dead) MM, RZR, ASCN (dead) and Goons just how useless they really are. If the servers could handle this game better you would all be getting owned even more.
Ekram Riz Minmatar Wyland-Yutani Corporation	Posted - 2008.02.03 01:11:00 - [112] Originally by: Exioce Originally by: Ekram Riz It's the person that was cheating, not the alliance. The alliance benefited, and was not reduced of assets equal to the value of the benefit derived. The cheater is still employed with the company. So destroy the company or remove the cheater?
Exioce Gallente Trisomy 21	Posted - 2008.02.03 01:14:00 - [113] Originally by: HEY LISTEN The coalition had taken 11 bil a day losses in delve so far acording to the molle post you are a clue less noob if you think 10 bil is anything other that pocket change for the alliances involved in this war. But if you wanna believe that the 10 bil worth of bpo's is as you say "greatness was bought with ill-gotten gains" then by all means do so but understand that the rest of us that know how large wars and alliances work are laughing our asses off at you bud cos you do not have a clue. And the Coalition wasn't given back 11 billion isk by t20, so your point is rather stupid. If the Coalition was given back 11 billion by t20 you might have a point, but until then you don't. Sorry.
Exioce Gallente Trisomy 21	Posted - 2008.02.03 01:19:00 - [114] Originally by: Ekram Riz So destroy the company or remove the cheater? A company of dozens is not destroyed by the removal of one person. At the very least, the company could have tallied a rough value of the benefit derived from the bpo (daily production capacity x days owned x average market value) and taken that isk value from the BoB corp wallet. That would have gone some way to making amends, but it was never done.
Murina Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.02.03 01:19:00 - [115] Edited by: Murina on 03/02/2008 01:20:59 Edited by: Murina on 03/02/2008 01:20:33 Originally by: Exioce Originally by: HEY LISTEN The coalition had taken 11 bil a day losses in delve so far acording to the molle post you are a clue less noob if you think 10 bil is anything other that pocket change for the alliances involved in this war. But if you wanna believe that the 10 bil worth of bpo's is as you say "greatness was bought with ill-gotten gains" then by all means do so but understand that the rest of us that know how large wars and alliances work are laughing our asses off at you bud cos you do not have a clue. And the Coalition wasn't given back 11 billion isk by t20, so your point is rather stupid. If the Coalition was given back 11 billion by t20 you might have a point, but until then you don't. Sorry. His point is that 10 or 11 billion is chump change to alliances and in wars this large pal you are the one claiming it was a eve changing momentous event lol. HEY LISTEN is my hero not my alt.
Exioce Gallente Trisomy 21	Posted - 2008.02.03 01:20:00 - [116] Originally by: Ekram Riz Sorry, but your propaganda just don't work on some of us. Those would be the people who like to excuse BoB its cheating derived benefits.
Exioce Gallente Trisomy 21	Posted - 2008.02.03 01:22:00 - [117] Originally by: Murina HIS point is that 10 or 11 billion is chump change to alliances and in wars this large pal you are the one claiming it was a eve changing momentous event lol. So where is the "chump change" CCP dumped in everyone elses lap via t2 bpo's?
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.02.03 01:23:00 - [118] Originally by: Exioce Originally by: Ekram Riz So destroy the company or remove the cheater? A company of dozens is not destroyed by the removal of one person. At the very least, the company could have tallied a rough value of the benefit derived from the bpo (daily production capacity x days owned x average market value) and taken that isk value from the BoB corp wallet. That would have gone some way to making amends, but it was never done. Yada,yada,yada. If you Goons are so concerned about some stupid tech 2 BPO, and not the fact that BOB griefed you and still does, like no one EVER will, why don't you remove them from the game? Oh, wait, you've been trying.... Including this propaganda war you are taking to the forum. I for one, don't beleive one word you are typing here.
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.02.03 01:25:00 - [119] Originally by: Exioce Originally by: Murina HIS point is that 10 or 11 billion is chump change to alliances and in wars this large pal you are the one claiming it was a eve changing momentous event lol. So where is the "chump change" CCP dumped in everyone elses lap via t2 bpo's? Nowhere but then as i have been trying to drum into your head not every single bob member got the bpo's only 1 or 2 did (most did not even know about it) and it proly made those 2 ppl self suffecient but hey if you think that changed bobs fortunes and made them all those titans and gained them all that space then i can only say LOL. I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it! Free marakor unjustly imprisoned (banned) i miss his posts.
Murina Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.02.03 01:26:00 - [120] Originally by: Exioce Originally by: Murina HIS point is that 10 or 11 billion is chump change to alliances and in wars this large pal you are the one claiming it was a eve changing momentous event lol. So where is the "chump change" CCP dumped in everyone elses lap via t2 bpo's? Neither did i get any but then i suppose nor did all of bob just a couple of em. HEY LISTEN is my hero not my alt.

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