Originally by: Zorland

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Yada,yada,yada. If you Goons are so concerned about some stupid tech 2 BPO, and not the fact that BOB griefed you and still does, like no one EVER will, why don't you remove them from the game? Oh, wait, you've been trying.... Including this propaganda war you are taking to the forum. I for one, don't beleive one word you are typing here.

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Originally by: HEY LISTEN

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Originally by: Exioce

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Originally by: Murina

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HIS point is that 10 or 11 billion is chump change to alliances and in wars this large pal you are the one claiming it was a eve changing momentous event lol.

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So where is the "chump change" CCP dumped in everyone elses lap via t2 bpo's?

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Nowhere but then as i have been trying to drum into your head not every single bob member got the bpo's only 1 or 2 did (most did not even know about it) and it proly made those 2 ppl self suffecient but hey if you think that changed bobs fortunes and made them all those titans and gained them all that space then i can only say LOL.

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Originally by: Amerame

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Originally by: thoth foc

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Currently the coalition is spamming the forums that they ahve won.. while still not having significantly weakened BOB..

it's mildly entertaining

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You have only lost hundreds (300 ? 400 ?) poses, the direct or indirect control over 50ish stations. You have lost hundreds of billions of income per month from renting / stations / moonmining poses. You have also lost every single allies you had, as well as any diplomatical power (remember the time when people would beg to be "allied" to BoB ?)

You have given up on attacking anything or anyone, you're stuck in cyno jammed system. You have already forgotten that at some point everyone feared to be invaded by BoB. You have also forgotten the time when BoB was flying better ships than anyone else in Eve now looking at the fitting you can't tell the difference between an average GS battleship and BoB battleship.

You're right, BoB has not been "significantly weakened". There are no coalition troops in Delve either.

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Originally by: DigitalCommunist

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Hey, there's a guy here still pretending to be me. Even after my return? That is pretty hilarious, but it infringes on my forum greatness.

Specifically, your propaganda blows massive chunks Digicomm, and I am forced to consign you to witlessness in my space journal :(

If you want to make an argument for why the Coalition sucks, all you have to do is tell the truth. LIKE SO:

Its a coalition consisting of virtually all the major players in 0.0, and the merger of two geographic power blocs that were each massive on their own. Common hate being the only unifying factor in this otherwise unlikely pairing. This hate being the resultant of being provoked and threatened sufficiently enough by a single group no bigger than any of theirs across a time span of two years.

For one year now, individual Coalition members put aside any personal ambitions to each become the strongest and greatest alliances in EVE - simply to focus on annihilating said group. Presumably because they saw the power gap between the enemy and each one of themselves grow wider, while the gap in territory grew narrower. Either way they had no desire/ability/willpower to achieve it alone.

This Coalition failed in the first six months, while having the largest advantage in numbers and propaganda anyone has ever had in EVE history by orders of magnitude. They were also simultaneous victims to both the two largest single military defeats, and the biggest failure of spy intelligence in this time.

Now they're claiming space and making ground, using the only strategy BoB hasn't found a counter for already, and the strategy they intended to use from the start. All the while, this Coalition is preparing themselves for the coming declaration of victory when the last station falls based on all accounts.

Only the enemy they're fighting isn't likely to care and disband as they might have in a similar situation, since the whole war is a testament to domination in EVE and one massive ego stroke for BoB. Especially more so since the conquest of more territory than one needs had this intent to begin with, and despite memetic jokes to the contrary, no one would put it past BoB to look for such an ego stroke (personal experience hay).

The shady Halo2/Crysis ending where BoB has no space but still lives as a competent fighting force will result in a propaganda war. Proponents of the Coalition try to present the idea of having achieved goals/victory to BoB and EVE, and having done a service to EVE.

Which is only serving as fuel for the next two years of war as BoB fights for the precarious position of "best alliance" as they always have, only with different momentum and more freedom of choice.

It will be in a 0.0 environment where everyone can see the giant pink rhino in the room but nobody wants to talk or deal with it outside of token anti-rhino support groups to token allies. Because for the first time in years there isn't an obvious solution, and the incentives to focus on empire building at home (or become disinterested or paranoid of certain other groups) are back.

<bsg> All this has happened before, and all this will happen again </bsg>

Unf

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Originally by: Murina

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Originally by: HEY LISTEN

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Originally by: Exioce

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Originally by: Murina

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HIS point is that 10 or 11 billion is chump change to alliances and in wars this large pal you are the one claiming it was a eve changing momentous event lol.

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So where is the "chump change" CCP dumped in everyone elses lap via t2 bpo's?

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Nowhere but then as i have been trying to drum into your head not every single bob member got the bpo's only 1 or 2 did (most did not even know about it) and it proly made those 2 ppl self suffecient but hey if you think that changed bobs fortunes and made them all those titans and gained them all that space then i can only say LOL.

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Howdy dude love your posts btw mara will be back in about 10 or 12 days btw keep up the good work

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Originally by: HEY LISTEN

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Nowhere but then as i have been trying to drum into your head not every single bob member got the bpo's only 1 or 2 did (most did not even know about it) and it proly made those 2 ppl self suffecient but hey if you think that changed bobs fortunes and made them all those titans and gained them all that space then i can only say LOL.

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Originally by: Murina

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Neither did i get any but then i suppose nor did all of bob just a couple of em.

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Originally by: Exioce

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Originally by: Zorland

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Yada,yada,yada. If you Goons are so concerned about some stupid tech 2 BPO, and not the fact that BOB griefed you and still does, like no one EVER will, why don't you remove them from the game? Oh, wait, you've been trying.... Including this propaganda war you are taking to the forum. I for one, don't beleive one word you are typing here.

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I must be reading the maps wrong, because apparently I see BoB losing its precious Fountain and Delve and the Coalition gaining it. Don't tell me, they didn't want those regions anyway.

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Originally by: Exioce

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Originally by: Murina

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Neither did i get any but then i suppose nor did all of bob just a couple of em.

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All of BoB did benefit as they were alliance held assets, and what benefits an alliance benefits its individual members.

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Originally by: Exioce

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Originally by: Murina

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Neither did i get any but then i suppose nor did all of bob just a couple of em.

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All of BoB did benefit as they were alliance held assets, and what benefits an alliance benefits its individual members.

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Originally by: Exioce

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Originally by: Murina

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HIS point is that 10 or 11 billion is chump change to alliances and in wars this large pal you are the one claiming it was a eve changing momentous event lol.

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So where is the "chump change" CCP dumped in everyone elses lap via t2 bpo's?

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Originally by: Arturus Vex

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Eh. T2 BPOs are worth far more than 11 billion over the course of months/years (especially pre-invention or before they have even been released). And '11 billion' is only what they were caught with. No one has any idea how many times this happened prior to them being caught.

It would make sense if bob had received T2 BPOs prior to this, as they were in fully T2 fit ships long before anyone else. And T2 ships were most of what allowed them to roll over all of the other alliances when they were building their empire. It completely destroys any legitimate greatness that they could have been able to claim.

It is a sad fact that regardless of whether or not the regular bob member had any involvement or knowledge of this, they all would have been reaping the benefits.

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Originally by: Zorland

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Well, after NAPing MC, TOXIN and KIA, the only remaining entities on BOB side are Reikoku, FinFleet and Evolution. If you can somehow make them believe in your forum crap like others on this forum do, you might actually win against BOB.

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Originally by: thoth foc

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so why do you still suck so badly?? you can only beat an excuse for so many years tbh..

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Originally by: HEY LISTEN

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11 bil devided by say 4000 = 2 million 750 thousand each lol omfg why dont they all have titans!!!!!!! lol

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Originally by: Exioce

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Originally by: HEY LISTEN

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11 bil devided by say 4000 = 2 million 750 thousand each lol omfg why dont they all have titans!!!!!!! lol

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I don't recall a dev giving anyone else a free 2 million 750 thousand each.

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Originally by: Exioce

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Originally by: Zorland

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Well, after NAPing MC, TOXIN and KIA, the only remaining entities on BOB side are Reikoku, FinFleet and Evolution. If you can somehow make them believe in your forum crap like others on this forum do, you might actually win against BOB.

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Oh I see: BoB is superior due to its ability to LOSE regions and allies. And here I was thinking the ability to TAKE regions and make allies conferred superiority...

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Originally by: Arturus Vex

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Eh. T2 BPOs are worth far more than 11 billion over the course of months/years (especially pre-invention or before they have even been released). And '11 billion' is only what they were caught with. No one has any idea how many times this happened prior to them being caught.

It would make sense if bob had received T2 BPOs prior to this, as they were in fully T2 fit ships long before anyone else. And T2 ships were most of what allowed them to roll over all of the other alliances when they were building their empire. It completely destroys any legitimate greatness that they could have been able to claim.

It is a sad fact that regardless of whether or not the regular bob member had any involvement or knowledge of this, they all would have been reaping the benefits.

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Originally by: Lucas Avignon

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Someone beating their drum about a dev who abused his power and cheated, that could have been in any alliance but happened to be in BoB, therefore you believe all of BoB are guilty of cheating.

Your making pathetic arguments of little consquence and your only goal is to smear bob in some way, to the casual observer your actually achieving the opposite of what your aim is.

You must be attention starved or something, but tbh I don't care either way but it's terribly boring to read one or two people drag up the same crap that happened what, one or two years ago now and beat it to death, what nearly everyday since it happened

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Originally by: HEY LISTEN

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Neither do i but then as i have already said im not stupid enough to think that such a pitiful ammout could or did change the face of eve and made bob a super power lol lets face it that ammout is about what you would get from a good rat including the loot.

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Originally by: Zorland

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Yes, they play EVE online. You Goons are more into "Lets make friends because we can't do **** on our own" online.

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Originally by: Exioce

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Originally by: HEY LISTEN

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Neither do i but then as i have already said im not stupid enough to think that such a pitiful ammout could or did change the face of eve and made bob a super power lol lets face it that ammout is about what you would get from a good rat including the loot.

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People who get that amount from a rat haven't got it through cheating.

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Originally by: Zorland

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Ah I see, so now, you think they should be accused not only for factual things but also for imaginary things? What if....

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I guess it's true, when people want to believe in something they will, and it doesn't matter how stupid that might be. Why don't you just say the real reason why you hate BOB? Do you hate them for something they did to you (or your alliance) in the past? Do you hate them because you lose every fleet fight against them? Or do you hate them becaus they didn't accept your application? You see, reasons like this are acceptable, just stop with "they cheat, they hack" bull****.

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Originally by: Jonny JoJo

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Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 03/02/2008 01:49:43

Originally by: Arturus Vex

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Eh. T2 BPOs are worth far more than 11 billion over the course of months/years (especially pre-invention or before they have even been released). And '11 billion' is only what they were caught with. No one has any idea how many times this happened prior to them being caught.

It would make sense if bob had received T2 BPOs prior to this, as they were in fully T2 fit ships long before anyone else. And T2 ships were most of what allowed them to roll over all of the other alliances when they were building their empire. It completely destroys any legitimate greatness that they could have been able to claim.

It is a sad fact that regardless of whether or not the regular bob member had any involvement or knowledge of this, they all would have been reaping the benefits.

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JoJo's law of forum posting.

Any argument COAD will eventually result in one party calling the other as bob h4x or bpo spawners. When someone makes such a said post, the thread is over as the posters side have lost.

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Originally by: HEY LISTEN

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1) Most importantly i nor anybody else has denied that it happened what we say is that it is such an insignificant ammount when measured against a normal days ratting. But you claim it changed the course of eve and that is stupid.

2) Most bob members proly were not aware of it and like i said only a hate freak would want to keep dragging it up like it actual matters to the big picture and using terms like "bob cheats" instead of more acurate terms like "a couple of bob members cheated and the members of bob at that time may have benifited by a couple of million isk or so over a very long period".

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Originally by: Arturus Vex

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Your persecution complex is in full swing. I think I was fairly fair in saying that the whole BPO incident does raise certain reasonable questions relating to the question of why exactly BoB was able to fit T2 ships far before other alliances.

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Originally by: Exioce

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Originally by: HEY LISTEN

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1) Most importantly i nor anybody else has denied that it happened what we say is that it is such an insignificant ammount when measured against a normal days ratting. But you claim it changed the course of eve and that is stupid.

2) Most bob members proly were not aware of it and like i said only a hate freak would want to keep dragging it up like it actual matters to the big picture and using terms like "bob cheats" instead of more acurate terms like "a couple of bob members cheated and the members of bob at that time may have benifited by a couple of million isk or so over a very long period".

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So you're saying 'insignificant' cheating is fine and shouldn't be punished, only 'significant' cheating is bad and should be punished?

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