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Tnilf Xeno Xanadu The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.02 23:54:00 - [1] We were just war dec'd by an Amarr alliance. I dont really give a **** since we are about 70 jumps from amarr space. But the issue I have is supposedly a GM gave them the isk to do it because it is part of a "storyline". Apparently this was because a noob was doing a 1/10 complex w/ amarr rats in empire in a frigate. If some stupid rp corp wants to war dec someone for that whatever. But I take issue with CCP giving alliances the money to war dec. Removing a substantial part of the cost for aggressors. I mean why make it cost money if they are just going to make it free for thier friends?
ArmaggedonPSA Minmatar Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.02.02 23:57:00 - [2] The same happened when a "storyline" was issued and an amarr RP alliance wardecced by corp aswell...was way back, but I don't think GM's would pay for it...I think its just an alliance trying to find something to do with a GM's blessing, unless you have proof ofcourse HF tho! If you dont win...call us -Logistics pilots decide who lives or dies, its called "triage" -Funny, they kept calling it piracy when I did it...
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2008.02.02 23:58:00 - [3] 2 mill a week is substantial? -----sig-starts-here------ ALL HAIL APOCALOOMPH!
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.02.03 00:00:00 - [4] Originally by: Verx Interis 2 mill a week is substantial? Everything is relative. If it's wrong it's wrong wether it's 2 billion or 5 isk.
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.03 00:08:00 - [5] Originally by: Tnilf We were just war dec'd by an Amarr alliance. I dont really give a **** since we are about 70 jumps from amarr space. But the issue I have is supposedly a GM gave them the isk to do it because it is part of a "storyline". Apparently this was because a noob was doing a 1/10 complex w/ amarr rats in empire in a frigate. If some stupid rp corp wants to war dec someone for that whatever. But I take issue with CCP giving alliances the money to war dec. Removing a substantial part of the cost for aggressors. I mean why make it cost money if they are just going to make it free for thier friends? I have never heard of that before. They are probably just feeding you bs. The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.
Teyrala Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.02.03 00:11:00 - [6] Hang on, did I read that right? CCP give roleplayers the isk to make random wars because someone ran a plex in amarr space? running a plex does not make you a roleplayer...
Pajamas Jack	Posted - 2008.02.03 00:11:00 - [7] Now is when we say Proof or STFU
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.02.03 00:12:00 - [8] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 03/02/2008 00:12:22 Originally by: Pajamas Jack Now is when we say Proof or STFU Wait, is this the Panama Jack from Tribes? Nevermind, pajama jack lmao _________________ Burn.
Pajamas Jack	Posted - 2008.02.03 00:18:00 - [9] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 03/02/2008 00:12:22 Originally by: Pajamas Jack Now is when we say Proof or STFU Wait, is this the Panama Jack from Tribes? Nevermind, pajama jack lmao No
Francis Inch Amarr Lightyear Inc	Posted - 2008.02.03 00:21:00 - [10] Originally by: Tnilf We were just war dec'd by an Amarr alliance. I dont really give a **** since we are about 70 jumps from amarr space. But the issue I have is supposedly a GM gave them the isk to do it because it is part of a "storyline". Apparently this was because a noob was doing a 1/10 complex w/ amarr rats in empire in a frigate. If some stupid rp corp wants to war dec someone for that whatever. But I take issue with CCP giving alliances the money to war dec. Removing a substantial part of the cost for aggressors. I mean why make it cost money if they are just going to make it free for thier friends? You see those news articles that come up every day when you select your character? Sometimes they actually... mean something. Your pilot friend was busy interacting with a new complex that CCP made part of a roleplay event that has been playing out for weeks in those new articles and in game, for those that look for those kinds of activities. If anyone had paid attention, they would have seen the Amarr Navy attempting to engage support to protect those assets. This is just another of those events that the people that pay attention can get involved in - just as past events have netted others all sorts of items, kills, rewards or other such things. It's not anyone giving anyone else favouritism, it's just another part of EVE being a living, breathing, joined up world where CCP try to at least keep the Empires part of EVE. As a side issue, bearing in mind an alliance or even a corp costs more to set up and maintain than 1 week of war dec cost, it's hardly a significant benefit to start jumping up and down about. In addition since the offers were made publicly to all players, it can hardly be favouritism for those that actually respond and get involved - everyone had the chance to do so equally.
Laerise Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.02.03 01:09:00 - [11] You should ask your new aliance mate Andreus Ixiris about this, he has a lot of experience in these things.
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.02.03 01:49:00 - [12] If you were attacking amarr rats in the 7th fleet things in the bleak land , you really were asking for it... Originally by: ivan draco we didnt want your post anyway
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.02.03 02:02:00 - [13] Edited by: Tharrn on 03/02/2008 02:03:34 Dude... Linky to the IGS announcement Those that enlisted are basically part of the Navy 'Auxilliary'. And your 'noob in a 1/10' is full well knowing that or he wouldn't be 70 jumps from your space (he is a quite prolific anti-Amarr poster on the IGS). Invite RPers into your alliance and you get involved, that is how the cookie crumbles. Now recruiting!
Talla Hurzin Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.02.03 02:14:00 - [14] EVE Roleplayers do not get their own separate server to play on. As such they must interact with everyone else, and sometimes that means non-rpers. If you get decced by a RP corp or alliance, you or some one under your banner must have done something to earn their ire. I suggest you look into the matter on your end.
Tnilf Xeno Xanadu The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.03 02:20:00 - [15] Like I said they can war dec us I really dont give a crap. It is the fact that CCP gives ppl money to war dec ppl is the thing I have issue with.
Micia Minmatar Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.02.03 02:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Tnilf It is the fact that CCP gives ppl money to war dec ppl is the thing I have issue with. The Amarr may be (morally) bankrupt, but I highly doubt their financial ability to pay for war is. There's no way CCP is subsidising this. Are you maybe confusing this with the U'K payments made to pilots, who take on these disputed complexes? Oh... and keep up the good work, Covenant Alliance. _______ We are Ushra'Khan. We come for our people.
Tnilf Xeno Xanadu The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.03 03:49:00 - [17] [ 2008.02.02 23:34:31 ] Tharrn > We even get the money for the war back by the Amarr Navy [ 2008.02.02 23:34:33 ] Dunbar Regan > so cut us a little slack as to understanding your motivations please [ 2008.02.02 23:34:50 ] Tnilf > what do you mean you get the war dec money back? [ 2008.02.02 23:35:01 ] Haverloth > The Imperial Navy is funding these wars. [ 2008.02.02 23:35:07 ] Haverloth > We are defending Imperial installations. [ 2008.02.02 23:35:11 ] Tharrn > basically a Navy officer (GM) contacted us asking us to defend those 7th Fleet Installations.
Darth Revanant Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.02.03 03:51:00 - [18] So... you think you can attack an organization in EVE and not have that organization get its allies to attack you back? It's about time attacking NPCs in EVE had more consequences than just -0.00000001% faction standing. Everything in EVE has consequences, including killing NPCs. In the game and NPC is another person, just like a PC. _______________ Recruitment Office
Rexthor Hammerfists Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.02.03 04:01:00 - [19] pretty cool if true, should happen mroe often - maybe scripted or something. bring on faction warfare cpp ;) -
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.02.03 04:29:00 - [20] I expect that this is a beta for faction warfare. Just as a friendly OOC Public Service Announcement: If you shoot a 7th fleet complex and we catch you doing it, Amarrian groups will declare war on you. If you don't want this, make it utterly clear to anyone who might run plex's in the Bleak Lands that 7th fleet complexes are off limits. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Benny Hill Caldari Deceased Inc	Posted - 2008.02.03 06:25:00 - [21] Originally by: Tnilf [ 2008.02.02 23:34:31 ] Tharrn > We even get the money for the war back by the Amarr Navy [ 2008.02.02 23:34:33 ] Dunbar Regan > so cut us a little slack as to understanding your motivations please [ 2008.02.02 23:34:50 ] Tnilf > what do you mean you get the war dec money back? [ 2008.02.02 23:35:01 ] Haverloth > The Imperial Navy is funding these wars. [ 2008.02.02 23:35:07 ] Haverloth > We are defending Imperial installations. [ 2008.02.02 23:35:11 ] Tharrn > basically a Navy officer (GM) contacted us asking us to defend those 7th Fleet Installations. If they are excited that CCP might refund them 2 million isk, 10 mil isk of 20 mil isk, they they are the most pathetic alliance in the game. They need ccp ask them them to role play something they are perfectly capable of doing on their own? You should be able to pwn them sinc ethey have no isk to replace ships.
Galen Darksmith Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.02.03 06:41:00 - [22] Originally by: Benny Hill Originally by: Tnilf [ 2008.02.02 23:34:31 ] Tharrn > We even get the money for the war back by the Amarr Navy [ 2008.02.02 23:34:33 ] Dunbar Regan > so cut us a little slack as to understanding your motivations please [ 2008.02.02 23:34:50 ] Tnilf > what do you mean you get the war dec money back? [ 2008.02.02 23:35:01 ] Haverloth > The Imperial Navy is funding these wars. [ 2008.02.02 23:35:07 ] Haverloth > We are defending Imperial installations. [ 2008.02.02 23:35:11 ] Tharrn > basically a Navy officer (GM) contacted us asking us to defend those 7th Fleet Installations. If they are excited that CCP might refund them 2 million isk, 10 mil isk of 20 mil isk, they they are the most pathetic alliance in the game. They need ccp ask them them to role play something they are perfectly capable of doing on their own? You should be able to pwn them sinc ethey have no isk to replace ships. OR....maybe they need to wardec a lot of corps who attack 7th fleet assets. I'd say it's about time real consequences were put in place for shooting at faction NPCs, but this isn't even real consequences. CCP is just paying player corps to put out the consequences for them. Factional warfare needs to hurry up and get here. And, of course, RPers cannot PvP. Just ask Tri. ;)
Synapse Archae Amarr Demonic Retribution Pure.	Posted - 2008.02.03 06:42:00 - [23] Edited by: Synapse Archae on 03/02/2008 06:43:14 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 03/02/2008 00:12:22 Originally by: Pajamas Jack Now is when we say Proof or STFU Wait, is this the Panama Jack from Tribes? Nevermind, pajama jack lmao TRIBES FOREVER. My name in Tribes 2 is Dr Spock, I'm in Team Energy [NrG], used to run United Storm Guard (USG) on the latters. - - - Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
Grr Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.02.03 06:47:00 - [24] Lets give you some facts here from the people who did the deccing: 1) Our wardec costs was 100m. 2) This is not the the 1st war the Amarr Navy has paid for and probably will not be the last saving our alliance alot of money so far. The Amarr paramilitary have probably saved close to 1.5b by now. 3) The small gang warfare we have been provided (only frigates can enter the complexes) makes our wars cheap and fun so hats off to the person who came up with the idea. 4) You are warned when entering the complexes and have been given a news story. Any corp/alliance seen attacking the complexes are given fair warning by us. 5) The "noob" in question, Andreus Ixiris is a well known wind bag on the Intergalactic Summit Forum and knew exactly what he was doing. Covenant alliance should be more ****ed off about letting him join than a few war decs. 6) We have no interest in attacking The Covenant alliance 70 jumps away and only wish to defend our forces. A wardec is the only way to achieve this when we have complexes in hisec. Epitoth Fleetyards is Recruiting
Micia Minmatar Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.02.03 07:09:00 - [25] Originally by: Benny Hill Originally by: Tnilf [ 2008.02.02 23:34:31 ] Tharrn > We even get the money for the war back by the Amarr Navy [ 2008.02.02 23:34:33 ] Dunbar Regan > so cut us a little slack as to understanding your motivations please [ 2008.02.02 23:34:50 ] Tnilf > what do you mean you get the war dec money back? [ 2008.02.02 23:35:01 ] Haverloth > The Imperial Navy is funding these wars. [ 2008.02.02 23:35:07 ] Haverloth > We are defending Imperial installations. [ 2008.02.02 23:35:11 ] Tharrn > basically a Navy officer (GM) contacted us asking us to defend those 7th Fleet Installations. If they are excited that CCP might refund them 2 million isk, 10 mil isk of 20 mil isk, they they are the most pathetic alliance in the game. They need ccp ask them them to role play something they are perfectly capable of doing on their own? You should be able to pwn them sinc ethey have no isk to replace ships. I think there's a lot of confusion going on, here. A lot of it can be sorted out by going through some of the links that were listed earlier. Or maybe not... there's a lot of additional threads down in IGS which cover what's happening, in that "crazy RP lingo". CCP picked up (and expanded on) a storyline that had been dropped a while back (when they got rid of AURORA, the original CCP RP team). Part of this included in-character communications from NPC factions (Defiants & 7th Fleet) asking for "help", and having interested RP corporations to pick their sides. Shortly after this, random complexes started appearing (with Minmatar to destroy & Amarr to defend), and a goal of certain objects to be collected in the process. It probably is part of a test of the upcoming factional warfare, as someone mentioned earlier. When Tharrn (as quoted) states OOC'ly that a GM contacted them to defend the installations, he's bang on. Likewise, anti-Amarrian forces were asked to attack the installations, essentially. How the various RP corps & alliances choose to react to unknown parties getting involved is up to their policies. If Ushra'Khan was mid-destruction of an installation, and a random person popped in to try and save it... you'd better believe there'd be repercussions of some kind. (Exactly what... I have no idea. I'm a grunt) It's no surprise that PIE have taken an action against what they perceive to be a threat against their goal/mission. One of CA's pilots (bless his heart) has taken a shine to collecting U'K rewards for his collected pieces. VV & PIE are certainly perfectly capable of doing what they do, and always have been. In spite of our idealogical differences, I would never dismiss them out of hand as "most pathetic alliance in the game". That would be incredibly disrespectful, towards RP enemies that have put their all on the line for over three years. ...though you are welcome to blow them up, too. _______ We are Ushra'Khan. We come for our people.
Johnny Darkseid Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.02.03 07:14:00 - [26] Political metagaming on the forums. Whodathunkit?
Ironnight Caldari x13 When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.02.03 07:15:00 - [27] Sweet a free war, sign us up CCP. The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.02.03 08:15:00 - [28] This sounds cool. Anyone knows where can I get this mission from? I would like to taek part please. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.03 08:33:00 - [29] While I think that some announcement about this in general forum or even better in the news would have been nice, it seem very interesting and positive. So there is some testing being done for faction warfare , good.
Karlemgne Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.02.03 09:10:00 - [30] Edited by: Karlemgne on 03/02/2008 09:12:25 Originally by: Francis Inch Edited by: Francis Inch on 03/02/2008 00:27:43 Originally by: Tnilf We were just war dec'd by an Amarr alliance. I dont really give a **** since we are about 70 jumps from amarr space. But the issue I have is supposedly a GM gave them the isk to do it because it is part of a "storyline". Apparently this was because a noob was doing a 1/10 complex w/ amarr rats in empire in a frigate. If some stupid rp corp wants to war dec someone for that whatever. But I take issue with CCP giving alliances the money to war dec. Removing a substantial part of the cost for aggressors. I mean why make it cost money if they are just going to make it free for thier friends? You see those news articles that come up every day when you select your character? Sometimes they actually... mean something. Your pilot friend was busy interacting with a new complex that CCP made part of a roleplay event that has been playing out for weeks in those new articles and in game, for those that look for those kinds of activities. This is just another of those events that the people that pay attention can get involved in - just as past events have netted others all sorts of items, kills, rewards or other such things. It's not anyone giving anyone else favouritism, it's just another part of EVE being a living, breathing, joined up world where CCP try to at least keep the Empires part of EVE. As a side issue, bearing in mind an alliance or even a corp costs more to set up and maintain than 1 week of war dec cost, it's hardly a significant benefit to start jumping up and down about. Number one, when I read the EULA I don't see anywhere where it says I'm required to Role play. I don't mind role playing, I've been doing the pencil and paper variety for years. Personally, I don't find that it works well in video games like this. So I don't do it here period. A rping alliance/corp can dec me and my corp, however, DON'T expect me to to "Roleplay" with you when you convo me in character demanding my surrender. Its not going to happen. I digress. My point is, its a game, you can war dec whoever you want for whatever reason you want. If you want to "role play" (very little of what passes for rping in eve is worth me even looking at) that war dec, well then more power to you. I will not participate. Don't expect me too. Don't expect others to give a sh** either. Lastly, if the OP is correct, and a GM allows people to war dec other corps for free, because the aggressor is "role playing" I've got a problem with that. If you want to role play a war because some noob ran a complex, fine. You should have to pay for that war like everyone else. And you should never, ever try to impose your character interaction "style" on those who don't want to participate. Keep it in corp, or local, don't convo people who don't want to RP in character AND don't LECTURE us on the forums about how your play style is better. That's just asinine. -Karlemgne

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