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Tnilf Xeno Xanadu The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.03 09:14:00 - [31] Originally by: Karlemgne Lastly, if the OP is correct, and a GM allows people to war dec other corps for free, because the aggressor is "role playing" I've got a problem with that. If you want to role play a war because some noob ran a complex, fine. You should have to pay for that war like everyone else. This was my point.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.03 09:22:00 - [32] If you involve yourself in a published storyline you are role playing. Make the most of it, some of the best times I've had in Eve were during such events. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Karlemgne Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.02.03 09:35:00 - [33] Originally by: Tnilf Originally by: Karlemgne Lastly, if the OP is correct, and a GM allows people to war dec other corps for free, because the aggressor is "role playing" I've got a problem with that. If you want to role play a war because some noob ran a complex, fine. You should have to pay for that war like everyone else. This was my point. Well, since the role players think its a great idea to give out free wars to role players, I've got an excellent idea. Reform privateers, and petition for free war dec's. They're "role playing" hi-sec pirates. In fact, I've got a few wars I'd like to start. I better get to work on those petitions. -Karlemgne
Riho Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2008.02.03 09:50:00 - [34] Originally by: Tnilf Originally by: Karlemgne Lastly, if the OP is correct, and a GM allows people to war dec other corps for free, because the aggressor is "role playing" I've got a problem with that. If you want to role play a war because some noob ran a complex, fine. You should have to pay for that war like everyone else. This was my point. your alliance member involved in a ROLEPLAY event... that means your ALLIANCE involved in the roleplay event.... you where roleplaying and they got orders from the navy to defend. it doesnt matter if you roleplay or not... it matters that one of your members did and now everyone will be involved. your member represented your allinace in the event. thats the point. and i dont get why ppl allways belittle Roleplayers... thats just funny and shows theyr own stupidity. PS. im not a roleplayer and never have been, but if events get better in the future.. i might start aswell :) ---------------------------------- This is Me
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2008.02.03 09:59:00 - [35] Edited by: Frug on 03/02/2008 10:00:03 What is all this? Didn't CCP scrap aurora because of this kind of tinfoilhattery? I'd like to know what's going on, and who's giving who how much, and why. Edit: I mean with proof from CCP - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Saraith Narr Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.02.03 10:00:00 - [36] Edited by: Saraith Narr on 03/02/2008 10:06:22 Edited by: Saraith Narr on 03/02/2008 10:01:50 As Riho pointed out, one of your members knew full well the background and mechanics behind the 7th Fleet ADU's, and chose to attack them whilst a member of your Alliance. One of the mechanics that he was aware of is that loyalist forces must wardec opposing alliances/corps if we are to defend the ADU's effectively, or even at all. I agree, that this is a poorly thought out and clunky system, but its what we have to play with. We can either accept its failings, or pack up our toys and go back to Amarr. We've chosen to accept it, but not without much grumbling, let me assure you. IMHO the ADU complexes should count as 0.0 space for everyone in them, or attacking the NPC's should flag you for PvP in some way. Perhaps this is a lesson CCP will learn for the future, and I certainly hope that it is. If Covenant Alliance do not want this war, you can simply tell your members not to attack the ADU's, and we will have no reason to be at war with you. But if you do attack the ADU's, we will defend them in the only manner that CCP has allowed us, and that is war. Edit To clarify, PIE are not currently at war with Covenant Alliance, and on reading my post it seems to suggest that we are.
Tnilf Xeno Xanadu The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.03 10:10:00 - [37] Yeah you guys who keep responding that he is involving himself in rp are missing the point. I dont really give a crap if he gets involved in it. That is the way he likes to play the game like he likes to play the game. If I think it is r-tarded w/ a capital R, that is my problem. It is the fact that CCP is giving alliances 100mil to war dec people. If you want to war dec us fine. I would prefer that you not. But if you do oh well. The issue I have with it. Is if we wanted to war dec someone and kill thier noobs or whatever in empire. It would cost us isk. But it doesnt cost them anything? wtf is up with that. B/c you are rpers you get special rights? Like free war decs?
Francis Inch Amarr Lightyear Inc	Posted - 2008.02.03 10:17:00 - [38] Originally by: Tnilf Yeah you guys who keep responding that he is involving himself in rp are missing the point. I dont really give a crap if he gets involved in it. That is the way he likes to play the game like he likes to play the game. If I think it is r-tarded w/ a capital R, that is my problem. It is the fact that CCP is giving alliances 100mil to war dec people. If you want to war dec us fine. I would prefer that you not. But if you do oh well. The issue I have with it. Is if we wanted to war dec someone and kill thier noobs or whatever in empire. It would cost us isk. But it doesnt cost them anything? wtf is up with that. B/c you are rpers you get special rights? Like free war decs? So Alliance Tournaments should have no prizes? No unique ships should ever have been given out for the events CCP have done to involve players in Empire events such as the appointment of a new Amarr Emperor, Caldari sports racing and Gallente Elections? CCP shouldn't drop loot when they interact with players as pirate or navy fleets or research scientists or jovian visitors? All of these things have happened and some player or another benefits directly - should all of this be taken away just because you can't give to everyone equally - even when all events are open to all if they just choose to pursue them?
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2008.02.03 10:19:00 - [39] Originally by: Tnilf Yeah you guys who keep responding that he is involving himself in rp are missing the point. I dont really give a crap if he gets involved in it. That is the way he likes to play the game like he likes to play the game. If I think it is r-tarded w/ a capital R, that is my problem. It is the fact that CCP is giving alliances 100mil to war dec people. If you want to war dec us fine. I would prefer that you not. But if you do oh well. The issue I have with it. Is if we wanted to war dec someone and kill thier noobs or whatever in empire. It would cost us isk. But it doesnt cost them anything? wtf is up with that. B/c you are rpers you get special rights? Like free war decs? Did you or did you not willingly provoke them into this war, knowing at the time that they are an RP alliance fulfilling a role? I'm assuming that their "free war decs" you're whining about are conditional. Not "here's a few hundred million go fight random people you feel like fighting" but "if you fulfill this role in our universe we will help you do it" In which case you need to stop whining. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Tnilf Xeno Xanadu The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.03 10:23:00 - [40] Originally by: Francis Inch Originally by: Tnilf Yeah you guys who keep responding that he is involving himself in rp are missing the point. I dont really give a crap if he gets involved in it. That is the way he likes to play the game like he likes to play the game. If I think it is r-tarded w/ a capital R, that is my problem. It is the fact that CCP is giving alliances 100mil to war dec people. If you want to war dec us fine. I would prefer that you not. But if you do oh well. The issue I have with it. Is if we wanted to war dec someone and kill thier noobs or whatever in empire. It would cost us isk. But it doesnt cost them anything? wtf is up with that. B/c you are rpers you get special rights? Like free war decs? So Alliance Tournaments should have no prizes? I believe there is a billion isk entry fee for the alliance tournaments.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.02.03 10:26:00 - [41] When you run missions, you get isk from the Empires, no? How is this different. Service to the NPC empires gets tangible rewards in game. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Grr Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.02.03 10:45:00 - [42] Frug you assume correctly we are indeed filling a role. Here are some more facts so the idiots speculating here might be silenced: 1) We are being reimbursed for our wardec costs but only if we proove that they are for the purpose of defending the bleaklands complexes (I assume CCP have some way of telling or they might just take our word for it) 2) It has been stated that only smaller corps and alliances will be given financial support. CVA for example would probably be told where to go ;) For the record I agree that the complexes should be 0.0 sec status so these wardecs are not neccersary and we can do our job without them. However since no mechanic exists CCP are doing a good job providing a temporary solution imo. Oh and Covenant alliance to make this clear we have no grudge against you OOC, we will not be sending fleets your way and picking on your noobs. Defence of The Bleaklands is our priority. Epitoth Fleetyards is Recruiting
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.02.03 10:53:00 - [43] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 03/02/2008 10:54:14 Originally by: Tnilf Originally by: Francis Inch So Alliance Tournaments should have no prizes? I believe there is a billion isk entry fee for the alliance tournaments. I believe that it gets refunded if you turn up for your fights. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.02.03 11:09:00 - [44] Just to add to what has been said by others, most of the wars that have been paid for by the 7th have been dropped relatively quickly after some private diplomacy. This is often a better way of resolving differences than running to the forums. Additionally, when the orders came through from the 7th, PIE was left with a decision. As an independent corporation, we were limited to three simultaneous war declarations, and we had already reached our limit. Therefore we had a choice - either give up our independence by joining an alliance or spend money to create our own one. We chose the latter. The cost of creating the alliance was greater than the war fees to date, so these wars haven't been totally free for us. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Andtha Splits	Posted - 2008.02.03 11:17:00 - [45] Originally by: Tnilf Like I said they can war dec us I really dont give a crap. It is the fact that CCP gives ppl money to war dec ppl is the thing I have issue with. CCP give you money when you go ratting. Difference?
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2008.02.03 11:30:00 - [46] Originally by: Francis Inch No unique ships should ever have been given out for the events CCP have done to involve players in Empire events such as the appointment of a new Amarr Emperor, Caldari sports racing and Gallente Elections? CCP shouldn't drop loot when they interact with players as pirate or navy fleets or research scientists or jovian visitors? All of these things have happened and some player or another benefits directly - should all of this be taken away just because you can't give to everyone equally - even when all events are open to all if they just choose to pursue them? QFT Relax, CCP cares a little about their RPers. Everyone should be happy about that, because they are the reason that there's even a little hope for the backstory and "lore" of EVE. Everyone should be happy about this, especially PvPers because this means you can take part in the forthcoming factional warfare without having to fight them booooring NPCs you always complain about ;)
Francis Inch Amarr Lightyear Inc	Posted - 2008.02.03 11:35:00 - [47] Originally by: Karlemgne Edited by: Karlemgne on 03/02/2008 09:37:07 Number one, when I read the EULA I don't see anywhere where it says I'm required to role play. I don't mind role playing, I've been doing the pencil and paper variety for years. Personally, I don't find that it works well in video games like this. So I don't do it here period. A rping alliance/corp can dec me and my corp, however, DON'T expect me to to "role play" with you when you convo me in character demanding my surrender. Its not going to happen. I digress. My point is, its a game, you can war dec whoever you want for whatever reason you want. If you want to "role play" that war dec, well then more power to you. I will not participate. Don't expect me too. Don't expect others to give a sh either. Ahh, I see, so it's okay to be a non-consentual PvPer, and pirate people who don't want to be involved in it, because non-consentual pvp is part of EVE as a MMORPG. But don't allow anyone non-consentual roleplay, because roleplay isn't really part of a roleplay** game? EVE is roleplay, whether you like it or not. Picking and choosing to ignore that and whining about it is the same as a carebear whining that pirates shouldn't get to attack them.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.02.03 11:41:00 - [48] I think what CCP is doing here is admirable in terms of effort to enrich game content. I am quite certain that far more people would want to join the EVE Universe to take part in such immersions than the very few naysayers who might leave because of it. Up until this thread I was not even aware that CCP did this kind of thing. I just finished reading the linked blog by the CCP employee in charge of the G TEAM (Don't Ask) and frankly I will no longer just forget about those news articles when I log in. From now on I will read them with a renewed interest.
Vabjekf	Posted - 2008.02.03 11:41:00 - [49] Its refreshing to see a modern day MMO with things like this. Most mainstream ones are dead and static and have no player interaction with the game world ;_;
Rogue Roy Minmatar Rogue Aces	Posted - 2008.02.03 12:09:00 - [50] Edited by: Rogue Roy on 03/02/2008 12:09:48 This sounds awesome and I think it is high time that MMORPG developers take an active role in promoting the game storyline. This creates a sensation that the huge NPC space empires in EVE actually DO exist as astropolitical factions rather than map labels. I hope we will see much more of this stuff in the future. It's about the mid-level players fighting to maintain their standings, treading on those below and plotting against those above. -CCP Ginger
Khes	Posted - 2008.02.03 12:20:00 - [51] If the wardecs is all within the storyline then fine. If there are people willing to roleplay some instance in the game for the small fee of som wardecs then all power to them. It only makes the game more fun if there where more REAL people behind the ships you encounter in missions etc. i only wished that ALL NPC were played by real players and if they got a small sallery for that (like getting their wardecs paid) its all fine.
NeoTheo Caldari Species 5618 Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.02.03 12:32:00 - [52] Edited by: NeoTheo on 03/02/2008 12:33:56 I have no problems with CCP organising events that help roleplay, BUT IF THEY ARE GIVING FUNDING FOR A WAR THAT POTENTIALLY IMPACTS OTHER PLAYERS IT HAS TO STOP. this is exactly as bad as CCP devs helping bob, its not on the same scale in terms of impact but it crosses the SAME LINE. if gm's are handing out free wardec's then they need firing. (again i say i have no issue with roleplayes, but i want them to live by the same rules as the rest of us - no cash, NO WARDEC). GRRRRRR, this is something that might push me over the edge. /Theo. PS: some blue comment ASAP, its important.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.03 12:45:00 - [53] I must admit that this thread has a positive effect. I want to send one of my alts to look what is happening. I would like to be involved (with my standing I would be exactly at home with the anti Amarr forces) but my alliance wouldn't appreciate it (bunch of Caldari lovers) . A little point, what will happen if some member of a NPC corp start running the complex? It seem that setting the complex to a 0.0 equivalent (or allowing people there to fire against characters with -5 or worse standing with the empire) would be a valid solution. (I hope no one take this a s asuggestion to do that)
Saraith Narr Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.02.03 12:50:00 - [54] Quote: BUT IF THEY ARE GIVING FUNDING FOR A WAR THAT POTENTIALLY IMPACTS OTHER PLAYERS IT HAS TO STOP. To clarify, I believe that these wardecs are only subsidised if evidence is given that the corp in question has assaulted an ADU. If your members are going to interact with a given RP event, then you have to expect us to interact with you in return. We aren't getting free reign to go to war with whomever we please. We are working within the mechanics of a system which gives us only one recourse to defend the ADU's. That recourse is to declare war. The reason why CCP has set the system up in this manner is so that a small RP corp/alliance can get involved in the event without being penalisaed financially. As other posters have said, this is not a blanket policy, we are not all getting free wars against whoever we feel like fighting. If you and your corp does not wish to enter into this RP storyline, or in fact any RP at all, you are of course free to do so. Just be aware that if you enter an ADU and start firing, you are getting involved and you are impacting on other players.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.03 12:54:00 - [55] Originally by: NeoTheo Edited by: NeoTheo on 03/02/2008 12:33:56 I have no problems with CCP organising events that help roleplay, BUT IF THEY ARE GIVING FUNDING FOR A WAR THAT POTENTIALLY IMPACTS OTHER PLAYERS IT HAS TO STOP. this is exactly as bad as CCP devs helping bob, its not on the same scale in terms of impact but it crosses the SAME LINE. if gm's are handing out free wardec's then they need firing. (again i say i have no issue with roleplayes, but i want them to live by the same rules as the rest of us - no cash, NO WARDEC). GRRRRRR, this is something that might push me over the edge. /Theo. PS: some blue comment ASAP, its important. Sorry, but it seem to me that it is a choice by the "invading" corp, not the roleplaying corp. They have decided to enter a restricted area to play there, the rules are specific and clear, so why they should be allowed to run free a restricted dungeon because they "don't want to roleplay"? If the wardecced corp isn't interested they can ask the people running the dungeon to stop or they can expel them. If the corp don't run the dungeon the wardec should be retracted and/or CCP should stop reimbursing it. But as long as the other corp is playing in the restricted area, they should abide to the restricted area rules. You can argue that better rules to handle a area like that, but the rules are the same for all people. If you want to participate to the war there you can ask for it and get the same rule on refunding that other people get. So it is not a form of favoritism, it is a state sponsored war. If you enter it you get some advantage (0 cost war) and disavantages (you must partecipate to the war in that location).
NeoTheo Caldari Species 5618 Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.02.03 13:05:00 - [56] Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: NeoTheo Edited by: NeoTheo on 03/02/2008 12:33:56 I have no problems with CCP organising events that help roleplay, BUT IF THEY ARE GIVING FUNDING FOR A WAR THAT POTENTIALLY IMPACTS OTHER PLAYERS IT HAS TO STOP. this is exactly as bad as CCP devs helping bob, its not on the same scale in terms of impact but it crosses the SAME LINE. if gm's are handing out free wardec's then they need firing. (again i say i have no issue with roleplayes, but i want them to live by the same rules as the rest of us - no cash, NO WARDEC). GRRRRRR, this is something that might push me over the edge. /Theo. PS: some blue comment ASAP, its important. Sorry, but it seem to me that it is a choice by the "invading" corp, not the roleplaying corp. They have decided to enter a restricted area to play there, the rules are specific and clear, so why they should be allowed to run free a restricted dungeon because they "don't want to roleplay"? If the wardecced corp isn't interested they can ask the people running the dungeon to stop or they can expel them. If the corp don't run the dungeon the wardec should be retracted and/or CCP should stop reimbursing it. But as long as the other corp is playing in the restricted area, they should abide to the restricted area rules. You can argue that better rules to handle a area like that, but the rules are the same for all people. If you want to participate to the war there you can ask for it and get the same rule on refunding that other people get. So it is not a form of favoritism, it is a state sponsored war. If you enter it you get some advantage (0 cost war) and disavantages (you must partecipate to the war in that location). hang on, are you telling me that there are places in game that i am not allowed to go cause i dont roleplay? and that if i go there i am automatically signing up to be wardec by a none standard mechanic? if so, just show me news item, or where this is stated and ill be happy with that. i was under impression that some dude used a plex in amarr space and then got wardeced by none standard funds, well theres a alot of amarr space man, and its there for others to use - no just the pro amaar roleplay crew. like i said just show me where its documented.
NeoTheo Caldari Species 5618 Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.02.03 13:07:00 - [57] Edited by: NeoTheo on 03/02/2008 13:09:26 Originally by: Saraith Narr Quote: BUT IF THEY ARE GIVING FUNDING FOR A WAR THAT POTENTIALLY IMPACTS OTHER PLAYERS IT HAS TO STOP. To clarify, I believe that these wardecs are only subsidised if evidence is given that the corp in question has assaulted an ADU. If your members are going to interact with a given RP event, then you have to expect us to interact with you in return. We aren't getting free reign to go to war with whomever we please. We are working within the mechanics of a system which gives us only one recourse to defend the ADU's. That recourse is to declare war. The reason why CCP has set the system up in this manner is so that a small RP corp/alliance can get involved in the event without being penalisaed financially. As other posters have said, this is not a blanket policy, we are not all getting free wars against whoever we feel like fighting. If you and your corp does not wish to enter into this RP storyline, or in fact any RP at all, you are of course free to do so. Just be aware that if you enter an ADU and start firing, you are getting involved and you are impacting on other players. this is cleared, can you show me the doco with regards to this system please? it actully sounds like fun, its dam close to the concept of a wow battleground however and i dont like that. id be much happyer if the "War" was only valid in the systems / area's set aside for the "roleplay". maybe i misunderstood the system, my fault for not reading as much as i should i guess. still the system sounds a bit farked up to me. ohh btw dont take me as a aint roleplay person, i believe it brings some richness to eve - i just saw alliagations of crooked GMS and went off on one i think.
Laerise Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.02.03 13:38:00 - [58] Originally by: NeoTheo (snip, mods dont like pyramids, no?) hang on, are you telling me that there are places in game that i am not allowed to go cause i dont roleplay? and that if i go there i am automatically signing up to be wardec by a none standard mechanic? if so, just show me news item, or where this is stated and ill be happy with that. i was under impression that some dude used a plex in amarr space and then got wardeced by none standard funds, well theres a alot of amarr space man, and its there for others to use - no just the pro amaar roleplay crew. like i said just show me where its documented. Invading these 7th fleet "complexes", which you have to scan for first by the way, in the bleak lands region is something you choose to do freely. It is highly unlikely that you will get war'dec'ed right away without any form of warning, be that in local or via diplomatic measures. Or, to use a fitting example. If you fly into BoB/RA space and go on rampage against their miners/ratters there you have to expect repercussions too. You are of course welcome to visit the blak lands (although they are lowsec and slightly pirate infested...) and have a look around. As long as you leave the 7th fleet bases alone I assure you you will not get into troubles with amarrian paramilitaries. :Hint: If you want to have quite regular fights against rather competent enemies with frigate sized ships, get involved, I doubt neither side would mind yet another supporter of "the cause". (Only frigates and estroyers can enter the complexes.) :Hint end:
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2008.02.03 13:59:00 - [59] Originally by: NeoTheo hang on, are you telling me that there are places in game that i am not allowed to go cause i dont roleplay? and that if i go there i am automatically signing up to be wardec by a none standard mechanic? if so, just show me news item, or where this is stated and ill be happy with that. i was under impression that some dude used a plex in amarr space and then got wardeced by none standard funds, well theres a alot of amarr space man, and its there for others to use - no just the pro amaar roleplay crew. like i said just show me where its documented. ROFL Hang on there, you're telling me there are places in game I can't go if I don't want to PvP? There's a lot of lowsec and 0.0 space, and it's there for people to use. Not just the PvPers... /sarcasm with a stint of irony Oh how I love gravity and the way it makes the pendulum swing both ways
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.02.03 14:00:00 - [60] For those upset about CCP paying for wardecs or having to engage RPers a few points to consider. - RP events are part of the long history of Eve. EVERY EVENT IS AN RP EVENT!!!!!! Sure you may not RP yourself but your participating in an RP event. Heck the whole game is RP when you think about it. Anyway these events are provided to the Eve community as a whole (not just roleplayers) to enhance the player experience. Some have been really good and some not quite so good. The key is ITS FOR US. - In this event you can either be a Defiant or Amarrian supporter. You have a CHOICE. You don't have to RP one specific way. - CCP has basically "funded" wardecs before. Anytime you participated in an event with Aurora pilots you could shoot at without concord intervention that was basically a "free war" outside game mechanics was it not? These Aurora pilots were usually in corps yet you could shoot them without declaring. Isn't that basically a "free war" too? - CCP does a good job of publicizing these events on the news when you login and on the ingame browser news. Try reading the news sometimes and you'll see stuff like this appear. In the past I've missed out on patch notes and chances to make isk due to upcoming market changes yet I've had no one to blame but myself. CCP put the news out there I was just not being proactive in reading it. It's like that. - If you jump into an RP storyline you can expect RPers to interact with you on an RP level. No you don't have to interact on an RP basis yourself but you also shouldn't whine when others do. Thats life. - CCP has long given out prizes for events and in effect wardec fees are a "prize" of sorts. The Golden and Silver Magnates for the Amarr Championships. The Mothership. Remember the Jovian Bodyparts deal and the free cloaking blueprints? How about that Admiral guy running around lowsec being shot at by everyone. Loot, mods, blueprints, prizes. All those events. Those were all RP events that EVERYONE participated in. Even if you're not a "roleplayer" per se you participated in a RP event if you took part. Now for the OP who seems upset...... A word of wisdom to those who let someone into a corp/alliance. There's a great website called EVE-SEARCH where you can search out the past posts of people. Heck you don't even need that just click their portrait here on the Eve forums and view their last posts. In this case the instigator of this wardec has a LONG history of anti-Amarr sentiment and he's posted almost exclusively on the IGS forum (where the RPers live). It's simple negligence to let someone into a corp without doing even the most rudimentary background check. I know in this case if I was the OP I'd be asking "ah what is all this stuff" in an interview not a week later after I've been wardecd. Archie PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS

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