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Elijah Personal Vendetta	Posted - 2008.02.03 14:41:00 - [1] During the course of the war, we [Personal Vendetta] have attempted to provoke Smash into bringing it. Needless to say hit and run tactics in Bwf and the surrounding low sec systems, were met by a combination of Smash and Roadkill ships. At this point I hasten to add we were only at war with Smash alliance. Hoping for a fight in empire, where Smash no longer had the advantage of their allies and/or carrier spasm; we formed up with 11 bs along with 2-3 support ships on the Oijanen gate in Airaken (a 0.5 system). Around 22:30 eve time we received reports of around 30 odd Smash as well as multiple Roadkill jumping into Oijanen (estimated numbers were around 50 Smashkill in total of mixed Bs and support.) It was looking like all our attempts at provoking Smash had worked as they formed up on the other side of our gate. MinuteÆs later local outside bumped from 70 to 130+, as both the Smash and Roadkill gang jumped in. Primaries were called, and the fight was going in our favor, even with R0adkill repping the smash ships, things went against us when the R0adkill gang decided to join in. As had happened twice previously, Roadkill ships aggressed our gang which brought Concord and completely lagged what had been previously lag free. The battle quickly turned into a slide show and PV started to take multiple losses, and Smash managed to take the field. In our minds there is no doubt that SmashÆs plan all along was to have Roadkill aggress in order to bring in Concord and completely lag up the fight, thus insuring Smash could use their numerical advantage to force us to retreat. Total Kills:Losses BS: 6:6 CS: 1:1 Has: 1:1 Recon 0:2 Bc: 2:0 Dictor 1:0 Cruiser 3:0 Total 14:10 Congrats Smash and thanks for the fight pity you couldnÆt win it without R0adkill holding your hands. shall we say same time tonight? but without concord =)
Shaa Ku Black Knight Buccaneers Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.02.03 14:46:00 - [2] I remeber when roadkill could not win anything without smash. Now aparently smash can`t do **** withour roadkill haha ! Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.02.03 14:53:00 - [3] Edited by: Rikeka on 03/02/2008 14:53:29 CONCORD? Sorry, I think you forgot to mention something, cause without that part of the story, the CONCORD part makes no sense. Who declared who? Assuming you guys are in war with SMASH, if RoadKill engaged you I assume CONCORD was in your side (and the RK ships ended dead anyway)
Ridjeck Thome The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.03 15:03:00 - [4] Edited by: Ridjeck Thome on 03/02/2008 15:03:11 \o/ another COAD classic
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.02.03 15:07:00 - [5] Thats right ladies and gentlemen, a mighty battle, one that will always be remembered, 24 ships losses in total. My God.
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.02.03 15:09:00 - [6] Originally by: Darko1107 Thats right ladies and gentlemen, a mighty battle, one that will always be remembered, 24 ships losses in total. My God. Don't be so harsh, I remember when a big fight was 11 ships total, both sides. losing that caracal hurt :(
Kikuko Personal Vendetta	Posted - 2008.02.03 15:13:00 - [7] Welcome to Powerpoint... Enjoy the slideshow.
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.03 15:16:00 - [8] Sounds like a nice fight. I personally think CAOD should have more little fight reports, its far more interesting than alt spammers and smack.
TeufelsBeitrag Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.03 15:30:00 - [9] calls in concord
Iva Soreass Personal Vendetta	Posted - 2008.02.03 15:36:00 - [10] Originally by: Rikeka Edited by: Rikeka on 03/02/2008 14:53:29 CONCORD? Sorry, I think you forgot to mention something, cause without that part of the story, the CONCORD part makes no sense. Who declared who? Assuming you guys are in war with SMASH, if RoadKill engaged you I assume CONCORD was in your side (and the RK ships ended dead anyway) Did you even read the post ? When some noobkill pilots engaged us concord came in which caused mass lagg, so no concord didn't help.
Zillazuki Personal Vendetta	Posted - 2008.02.03 15:40:00 - [11] It doesn't matter how many ships were involved, nor does it really matter that we lost the ships and the K/D ratio now looks a bit sucky on the killboard. The most frustrating part of the engagement was not that we did not hold the field or stay alive. It is just frustrating that we all know the rules concerning combat in Empire and yet Smash were outnumbered in their gang by Roadkill pilots. We only wardec'd Smash so there is little point in Roadkill coming to Empire unless they are there to either cause lag, cause confusion and hope we Concord ourselves as the overview changes OR to get Concorded themselves in order to unbalance the fight. I know it sounds like whining (that was the bit in my post that the forum addicts can "QFT") and all Smash have to say is "you dec'd us, no point in moaning when you lose a fight" but they really should be able to look after themselves in a fight in a 0.5 system against a handful of pilots in a RR Battleship gang. We don't want to be like the corp's who wardec you and then live off the cheap ganks in BWF and your empire runs to Jita. We WANT you to bring it fair and square, not cheap and dirty...we'll take the fights outnumbered, even-numbered or whatever, but bring them in a manner that the game supports. Thanks Zilla! Signature removed after it was found hanging around with a wax crayon.
Nhoj Sllew Amarr Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.03 15:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Zillazuki It doesn't matter how many ships were involved, nor does it really matter that we lost the ships and the K/D ratio now looks a bit sucky on the killboard. The most frustrating part of the engagement was not that we did not hold the field or stay alive. It is just frustrating that we all know the rules concerning combat in Empire and yet Smash were outnumbered in their gang by Roadkill pilots. We only wardec'd Smash so there is little point in Roadkill coming to Empire unless they are there to either cause lag, cause confusion and hope we Concord ourselves as the overview changes OR to get Concorded themselves in order to unbalance the fight. I know it sounds like whining (that was the bit in my post that the forum addicts can "QFT") and all Smash have to say is "you dec'd us, no point in moaning when you lose a fight" but they really should be able to look after themselves in a fight in a 0.5 system against a handful of pilots in a RR Battleship gang. We don't want to be like the corp's who wardec you and then live off the cheap ganks in BWF and your empire runs to Jita. We WANT you to bring it fair and square, not cheap and dirty...we'll take the fights outnumbered, even-numbered or whatever, but bring them in a manner that the game supports. Thanks Zilla! you don't "get" smashkill I RP EWOK
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.02.03 15:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Iva Soreass Originally by: Rikeka Edited by: Rikeka on 03/02/2008 14:53:29 CONCORD? Sorry, I think you forgot to mention something, cause without that part of the story, the CONCORD part makes no sense. Who declared who? Assuming you guys are in war with SMASH, if RoadKill engaged you I assume CONCORD was in your side (and the RK ships ended dead anyway) Did you even read the post ? When some noobkill pilots engaged us concord came in which caused mass lagg, so no concord didn't help. What I wanted to know is: The RK ships were killed by CONCORD? That¦s it. As is this is CAOD worthy or not... Last time I checked, the "C" on this forum stands for "Corporation", and I¦m guessing that stands for EVERY corporation on the game, no matter how small it is, or how small the fight was. In fact, all that matters is that it¦s well written. A well-written battle report delays the usual CAOD self-destuction, at least for a while... Though I don¦t agree with the point of this thread ("SMASH is helped too much by RK"), as it¦s up to them how they fight their battles (Hey, we know!)
Lprezidente Minmatar Personal Vendetta	Posted - 2008.02.03 15:55:00 - [14] It is a shame when a large alliance is seemingly to scared to fight their own battles, I mean, 16 pilots, how much dmg can they do right? Well if you bring it fairly and without the stooges i'm sure we will find out. Although from our last war i feel you did find out 128 kills v 45 kills, obviously your botties are still smarting. nevermind, rub on some more ointment.
Nizar Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.03 16:03:00 - [15] epic battle and thread. lol
Crackzilla The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.03 16:06:00 - [16] Originally by: Iva Soreass ... pilots engaged us concord came in... The op makes it sound like a Concord fleet was hot dropped in. More likely someone got trigger happy and forgot they were in high sec. Lag affects everyone. Many 0.0 members feel that empire wars suck. There isn't anything to fight over and limited methods to pin down a fleet. Usually it involves ganks by one side or the other followed by a quick dock up. Mostly its an approved method to gank haulers near to or going to or from Jita. Either way the kills/losses are insignificant. Usually how it works is a gang is formed, roams a bit in 0.0, then gets bored. Usually at this point the gangs have a mixture of RK/Smash/Atlas/CI, each with their own war decs. Empire is somewhat the last resort to finding pvp. Sometimes RK gets a war dec fight and Smash watches. Sometimes Smash gets a war dec fight and RK watches. No point in splitting out the fleet. For the tl;dr crowd: Empire wars are boring and unproductive. The kills/losses are amusing but insignificant. We'll have another war dec next week and someone else whining on the forums.
Kenion THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.03 16:08:00 - [17] Thats the worst stats I've ever seen. Seriously, go play WoW. ---------------------------------------------
Mark Lucius The Vinlanders	Posted - 2008.02.03 16:25:00 - [18] Wardeccing a 0.0 alliance.... ---
zykerx Lo0nEy To0nS R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.03 16:27:00 - [19] if ya want even fights ask for a 10 vs 10 orso at 8mg or where ever dont wardec and then cry they bring more then you got, thats yust stupid 99% of all wardecs are for easy hauler / missionrunner ganks and crying about concordlagg is stupid aswel . "MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
Kirex Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2008.02.03 16:30:00 - [20] lol... Personal Vendetta are tuff guys, watch out.
FinrodFelagund Rome Rare Faction	Posted - 2008.02.03 16:49:00 - [21] Perhaps its time to institute slashdots infamous... "You're new here arn't you." Roadkill and smash are not seperate alliances, anyone whos ever been aroudn them for >5 minutes can realize that they are the same enity. I've gotta say with every new merc nub corp making a NAST and complaining they are getting blobbed, my respect for MDK goes up. IIRC they wardecced both they did their gank thing, said look at our insane kill death ratio and went on their way, don't remember them complaining about blobs either. (but my memory is fuzzy) GL with your quest for respect PV. But ganking smash and complaining about being blobbed by smashkill only makes you guys look like complete nubs. From the sound of it youre not even in it for the pure griefing of hauler ganking and gate camping bwf while smashkill is busy with something else... If you want good fights why dont you wardec an alliance or corp your size and then sit in their home system for 24 hours.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.03 17:25:00 - [22] Originally by: Elijah In our minds there is no doubt that SmashÆs plan all along was to have Roadkill aggress in order to bring in Concord and completely lag up the fight, thus insuring Smash could use their numerical advantage to force us to retreat. I recommend you apply occam's razor here. Is that really the most plausible and sensible answer?
Reax Grim Final Conflict UK SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.03 17:32:00 - [23] Originally by: FinrodFelagund Roadkill and smash are not seperate alliances, anyone whos ever been aroudn them for >5 minutes can realize that they are the same enity. yep it seems everyone thinks we are seperate alliances. roadkill and smash are the same. from what i learned roadkill was formed due to lack of space in smash(due to someones skills at begining or somthing). hense smashkill if you fly around our space u will notice that rk and smash work out the same stations,work with each other, chat play and dance with each other etc etc lol and is this a corp bragging that concord bashed peeps for them?
Nizar Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.03 17:36:00 - [24] Originally by: Reax Grim ...u will notice that rk and smash work out the same stations,work with each other, chat play and dance with each other etc etc lol... WOOT? no sex???
Missy Black The Collective	Posted - 2008.02.03 17:37:00 - [25] Originally by: Kikuko Welcome to Powerpoint... Enjoy the slideshow. Haha, thats kinda funny. But fixed it for you.. Originally by: Kikuko Welcome to EvE Online... Enjoy the slideshow.
Ragnar Ska	Posted - 2008.02.03 17:44:00 - [26] Concord joined Smashkill? When did that happen, we must be super leet.
Oofig VanDoogan Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.03 17:47:00 - [27] Six foot bongs! ---------------------------------------------- Full circle.
McFly Path of Light R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.03 17:54:00 - [28] Empire WarDeccers...... <sigh> SmashKill = Neighbors Our PVP goes something like this... If we form a gang because of a threat IE: TRI nano gang coming from the north, or idiot getting ganked in empire or merc corp holding the OIJ gate in BWF. All pilots respond that are interested. Smash, RK, CI and Atlas all have their systems, but we do mingle and mix a bit. If you "bring it" and expect to only fight the neighbor that you have a war dec open on, well then you are heavily mistaken. I'm guessing an RK member did get trigger happy, and that's what brought Concord into it. When Ethereal Dawn or xxDeathxx bring a fleet through or near WNM, it's the same, when TRI bring nano gangs through Q-T, L-T and P-E we see the same thing. SmashKill is not quite one entity but we are all heavily allied and when a fight is brought to us, there has never been... Smash Guys only on this one. It goes along the lines of this "Pilot 1> Hostiles BWF..." followed by "Pilot 2> x". Dont expect to only fight one of the entities of SmashKill. We all work together and fighting is the same. Besides if a PVPer is itching like me I dont care if you want to fight SMASH only I'll land on the gate in whatever I have in my hangars be it a Command Ship, Capital or Inty. So if you are going to Dec a member of SmashKill get used to all of us showing up and quit *****ing on CAOD. -- --my opinions do not reflect that of my corp nor my alliance--
Sinbad56 Caldari Personal Vendetta	Posted - 2008.02.03 18:04:00 - [29] Originally by: McFly Empire WarDeccers...... <sigh> I'm guessing an RK member did get trigger happy, and that's what brought Concord into it. You make it sound like it was just one RK, try 5 of them doing it.
Trass Personal Vendetta	Posted - 2008.02.03 18:15:00 - [30] To get a bit of attention we was flying around in group in Oijj, BWF, 8MG etc. In 0.0 systems which they temporary clamed we was outnumbered 3-4:1 taking local. We was waiting, waiting, and ... waiting. Its really disapointing when two our pilots jumping into 8MG, and suddenly whole bunch of smash/rk guys insta running away to their outpost. Well yes thats probably normal way of play for them, anyway still no fight... So we decide to stay in one very visible place in Airaken (gate Oijj) because it could be a bit to hard for smash guys to locate 1x man gang flying on one of three systems, really... With little help from RK they 'find' us in Airaken, staying and waiting. Few times a recon/cops decloaked >100k from gate. Some smack talk like smash is invincible, and that we better run away and things like that. Well it doesnt help at all (sorry guys) and we was still waiting for them. After some time, they came and fight was started. Like my corpmates write before, when smash saw that they not winning (outnumbered us didnt help much), more their allies jumped and they start laghell with concord, drones etc. We was having scouts in two system ahead, and we know about blob before fight was started. Difference is that we're not running away when we know that we all probably die, almost everytime we are outnumbered and thats a normal thing for us. Anyway we are a small corp - yes, so small engagement too, but we didnt join this corp to run away, but to fight, and thats what we doing. Well truth is that (sorry for that) coward smash can't win without blobing (simmilar to RK their allies). They cant win fight in hi sec for example 10 vs 10 and they know that. Thats nothing new, they are like they are and thats probably wont change. BTW if someone want great KB ratio, really... join BoB, and engage only when you know that you will win without probs, and/or press self destruct if something goes wrong (no offence to BoB fans).

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