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Elijah
Personal Vendetta
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Posted - 2008.02.03 14:41:00 -
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During the course of the war, we [Personal Vendetta] have attempted to provoke Smash into bringing it. Needless to say hit and run tactics in Bwf and the surrounding low sec systems, were met by a combination of Smash and Roadkill ships. At this point I hasten to add we were only at war with Smash alliance.
Hoping for a fight in empire, where Smash no longer had the advantage of their allies and/or carrier spasm; we formed up with 11 bs along with 2-3 support ships on the Oijanen gate in Airaken (a 0.5 system). Around 22:30 eve time we received reports of around 30 odd Smash as well as multiple Roadkill jumping into Oijanen (estimated numbers were around 50 Smashkill in total of mixed Bs and support.)
It was looking like all our attempts at provoking Smash had worked as they formed up on the other side of our gate. MinuteÆs later local outside bumped from 70 to 130+, as both the Smash and Roadkill gang jumped in. Primaries were called, and the fight was going in our favor, even with R0adkill repping the smash ships, things went against us when the R0adkill gang decided to join in. As had happened twice previously, Roadkill ships aggressed our gang which brought Concord and completely lagged what had been previously lag free. The battle quickly turned into a slide show and PV started to take multiple losses, and Smash managed to take the field. In our minds there is no doubt that SmashÆs plan all along was to have Roadkill aggress in order to bring in Concord and completely lag up the fight, thus insuring Smash could use their numerical advantage to force us to retreat.
Total Kills:Losses
BS: 6:6
CS: 1:1
Has: 1:1
Recon 0:2
Bc: 2:0
Dictor 1:0
Cruiser 3:0
Total 14:10
Congrats Smash and thanks for the fight pity you couldnÆt win it without R0adkill holding your hands. shall we say same time tonight? but without concord =)
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Shaa Ku
Black Knight Buccaneers
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.03 14:46:00 -
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I remeber when roadkill could not win anything without smash. Now aparently smash can`t do **** withour roadkill haha !
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Rikeka
Amarr
Eye of God
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.02.03 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: Rikeka on 03/02/2008 14:53:29
CONCORD? Sorry, I think you forgot to mention something, cause without that part of the story, the CONCORD part makes no sense.
Who declared who?
Assuming you guys are in war with SMASH, if RoadKill engaged you I assume CONCORD was in your side (and the RK ships ended dead anyway) 
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Ridjeck Thome
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.03 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Ridjeck Thome on 03/02/2008 15:03:11
\o/
another COAD classic
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Darko1107
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.02.03 15:07:00 -
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Thats right ladies and gentlemen, a mighty battle, one that will always be remembered, 24 ships losses in total.
My God.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.02.03 15:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Darko1107
Thats right ladies and gentlemen, a mighty battle, one that will always be remembered, 24 ships losses in total.
My God.
Don't be so harsh, I remember when a big fight was 11 ships total, both sides. losing that caracal hurt :(
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Kikuko
Personal Vendetta
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Posted - 2008.02.03 15:13:00 -
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Welcome to Powerpoint...
Enjoy the slideshow.
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Darknesss
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.03 15:16:00 -
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Sounds like a nice fight.
I personally think CAOD should have more little fight reports, its far more interesting than alt spammers and smack.
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TeufelsBeitrag
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.03 15:30:00 -
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*calls in concord* 
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Iva Soreass
Personal Vendetta
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Posted - 2008.02.03 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rikeka
Edited by: Rikeka on 03/02/2008 14:53:29
CONCORD? Sorry, I think you forgot to mention something, cause without that part of the story, the CONCORD part makes no sense.
Who declared who?
Assuming you guys are in war with SMASH, if RoadKill engaged you I assume CONCORD was in your side (and the RK ships ended dead anyway)
Did you even read the post ?
When some noobkill pilots engaged us concord came in which caused mass lagg, so no concord didn't help.
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Zillazuki
Personal Vendetta
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Posted - 2008.02.03 15:40:00 -
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It doesn't matter how many ships were involved, nor does it really matter that we lost the ships and the K/D ratio now looks a bit sucky on the killboard.
The most frustrating part of the engagement was not that we did not hold the field or stay alive. It is just frustrating that we all know the rules concerning combat in Empire and yet Smash were outnumbered in their gang by Roadkill pilots. We only wardec'd Smash so there is little point in Roadkill coming to Empire unless they are there to either cause lag, cause confusion and hope we Concord ourselves as the overview changes OR to get Concorded themselves in order to unbalance the fight.
I know it sounds like whining (that was the bit in my post that the forum addicts can "QFT") and all Smash have to say is "you dec'd us, no point in moaning when you lose a fight" but they really should be able to look after themselves in a fight in a 0.5 system against a handful of pilots in a RR Battleship gang. We don't want to be like the corp's who wardec you and then live off the cheap ganks in BWF and your empire runs to Jita. We WANT you to bring it fair and square, not cheap and dirty...we'll take the fights outnumbered, even-numbered or whatever, but bring them in a manner that the game supports.
Thanks
Zilla!
Signature removed after it was found hanging around with a wax crayon.
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Nhoj Sllew
Amarr
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.03 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Zillazuki
It doesn't matter how many ships were involved, nor does it really matter that we lost the ships and the K/D ratio now looks a bit sucky on the killboard.
The most frustrating part of the engagement was not that we did not hold the field or stay alive. It is just frustrating that we all know the rules concerning combat in Empire and yet Smash were outnumbered in their gang by Roadkill pilots. We only wardec'd Smash so there is little point in Roadkill coming to Empire unless they are there to either cause lag, cause confusion and hope we Concord ourselves as the overview changes OR to get Concorded themselves in order to unbalance the fight.
I know it sounds like whining (that was the bit in my post that the forum addicts can "QFT") and all Smash have to say is "you dec'd us, no point in moaning when you lose a fight" but they really should be able to look after themselves in a fight in a 0.5 system against a handful of pilots in a RR Battleship gang. We don't want to be like the corp's who wardec you and then live off the cheap ganks in BWF and your empire runs to Jita. We WANT you to bring it fair and square, not cheap and dirty...we'll take the fights outnumbered, even-numbered or whatever, but bring them in a manner that the game supports.
Thanks
Zilla!
you don't "get" smashkill
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Rikeka
Amarr
Eye of God
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.02.03 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Iva Soreass
Originally by: Rikeka
Edited by: Rikeka on 03/02/2008 14:53:29
CONCORD? Sorry, I think you forgot to mention something, cause without that part of the story, the CONCORD part makes no sense.
Who declared who?
Assuming you guys are in war with SMASH, if RoadKill engaged you I assume CONCORD was in your side (and the RK ships ended dead anyway)
Did you even read the post ?
When some noobkill pilots engaged us concord came in which caused mass lagg, so no concord didn't help.
What I wanted to know is: The RK ships were killed by CONCORD? That¦s it.
As is this is CAOD worthy or not... Last time I checked, the "C" on this forum stands for "Corporation", and I¦m guessing that stands for EVERY corporation on the game, no matter how small it is, or how small the fight was.
In fact, all that matters is that it¦s well written.
A well-written battle report delays the usual CAOD self-destuction, at least for a while...
Though I don¦t agree with the point of this thread ("SMASH is helped too much by RK"), as it¦s up to them how they fight their battles (Hey, we know!)
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Lprezidente
Minmatar
Personal Vendetta
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Posted - 2008.02.03 15:55:00 -
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It is a shame when a large alliance is seemingly to scared to fight their own battles, I mean, 16 pilots, how much dmg can they do right?
Well if you bring it fairly and without the stooges i'm sure we will find out. Although from our last war i feel you did find out 128 kills v 45 kills, obviously your botties are still smarting.
nevermind, rub on some more ointment.
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Nizar
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.03 16:03:00 -
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epic battle and thread.
lol
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.03 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Iva Soreass
... pilots engaged us concord came in...
The op makes it sound like a Concord fleet was hot dropped in. More likely someone got trigger happy and forgot they were in high sec. Lag affects everyone.
Many 0.0 members feel that empire wars suck. There isn't anything to fight over and limited methods to pin down a fleet. Usually it involves ganks by one side or the other followed by a quick dock up. Mostly its an approved method to gank haulers near to or going to or from Jita. Either way the kills/losses are insignificant.
Usually how it works is a gang is formed, roams a bit in 0.0, then gets bored. Usually at this point the gangs have a mixture of RK/Smash/Atlas/CI, each with their own war decs. Empire is somewhat the last resort to finding pvp. Sometimes RK gets a war dec fight and Smash watches. Sometimes Smash gets a war dec fight and RK watches. No point in splitting out the fleet.
For the tl;dr crowd: Empire wars are boring and unproductive. The kills/losses are amusing but insignificant. We'll have another war dec next week and someone else whining on the forums.
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Kenion
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.03 16:08:00 -
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Thats the worst stats I've ever seen. Seriously, go play WoW.
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Mark Lucius
The Vinlanders
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Posted - 2008.02.03 16:25:00 -
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Wardeccing a 0.0 alliance....
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zykerx
Lo0nEy To0nS
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.03 16:27:00 -
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if ya want even fights ask for a 10 vs 10 orso at 8mg or where ever
dont wardec and then cry they bring more then you got, thats yust stupid
99% of all wardecs are for easy hauler / missionrunner ganks
and crying about concordlagg is stupid aswel
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"MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
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Kirex
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.02.03 16:30:00 -
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lol...
Personal Vendetta are tuff guys, watch out.
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FinrodFelagund
Rome
Rare Faction
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Posted - 2008.02.03 16:49:00 -
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Perhaps its time to institute slashdots infamous...
"You're new here arn't you."
Roadkill and smash are not seperate alliances, anyone whos ever been aroudn them for >5 minutes can realize that they are the same enity.
I've gotta say with every new merc nub corp making a NAST and complaining they are getting blobbed, my respect for MDK goes up. IIRC they wardecced both they did their gank thing, said look at our insane kill death ratio and went on their way, don't remember them complaining about blobs either. (but my memory is fuzzy)
GL with your quest for respect PV. But ganking smash and complaining about being blobbed by smashkill only makes you guys look like complete nubs.
From the sound of it youre not even in it for the pure griefing of hauler ganking and gate camping bwf while smashkill is busy with something else... If you want good fights why dont you wardec an alliance or corp your size and then sit in their home system for 24 hours.
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Graalum
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.03 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Elijah
In our minds there is no doubt that SmashÆs plan all along was to have Roadkill aggress in order to bring in Concord and completely lag up the fight, thus insuring Smash could use their numerical advantage to force us to retreat.
I recommend you apply occam's razor here. Is that really the most plausible and sensible answer?
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Reax Grim
Final Conflict UK
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.03 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: FinrodFelagund
Roadkill and smash are not seperate alliances, anyone whos ever been aroudn them for >5 minutes can realize that they are the same enity.
yep it seems everyone thinks we are seperate alliances. roadkill and smash are the same. from what i learned roadkill was formed due to lack of space in smash(due to someones skills at begining or somthing). hense smashkill
if you fly around our space u will notice that rk and smash work out the same stations,work with each other, chat play and dance with each other etc etc lol
and is this a corp bragging that concord bashed peeps for them?
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Nizar
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.03 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Reax Grim
...u will notice that rk and smash work out the same stations,work with each other, chat play and dance with each other etc etc lol...
WOOT? no sex???
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Missy Black
The Collective
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Posted - 2008.02.03 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kikuko
Welcome to Powerpoint...
Enjoy the slideshow.
Haha, thats kinda funny. But fixed it for you..
Originally by: Kikuko
Welcome to EvE Online...
Enjoy the slideshow.
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Ragnar Ska
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Posted - 2008.02.03 17:44:00 -
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Concord joined Smashkill? When did that happen, we must be super leet.
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Oofig VanDoogan
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.03 17:47:00 -
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Six foot bongs!
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McFly
Path of Light
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.03 17:54:00 -
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Empire WarDeccers...... <sigh>
SmashKill = Neighbors
Our PVP goes something like this... If we form a gang because of a threat IE: TRI nano gang coming from the north, or idiot getting ganked in empire or merc corp holding the OIJ gate in BWF. All pilots respond that are interested. Smash, RK, CI and Atlas all have their systems, but we do mingle and mix a bit. If you "bring it" and expect to only fight the neighbor that you have a war dec open on, well then you are heavily mistaken. I'm guessing an RK member did get trigger happy, and that's what brought Concord into it.
When Ethereal Dawn or xxDeathxx bring a fleet through or near WNM, it's the same, when TRI bring nano gangs through Q-T, L-T and P-E we see the same thing. SmashKill is not quite one entity but we are all heavily allied and when a fight is brought to us, there has never been... Smash Guys only on this one. It goes along the lines of this "Pilot 1> Hostiles BWF..." followed by "Pilot 2> x". Dont expect to only fight one of the entities of SmashKill.
We all work together and fighting is the same. Besides if a PVPer is itching like me I dont care if you want to fight SMASH only I'll land on the gate in whatever I have in my hangars be it a Command Ship, Capital or Inty.
So if you are going to Dec a member of SmashKill get used to all of us showing up and quit *****ing on CAOD.
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Sinbad56
Caldari
Personal Vendetta
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Posted - 2008.02.03 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: McFly
Empire WarDeccers...... <sigh>
I'm guessing an RK member did get trigger happy, and that's what brought Concord into it.
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Trass
Personal Vendetta
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Posted - 2008.02.03 18:15:00 -
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To get a bit of attention we was flying around in group in Oijj, BWF, 8MG etc. In 0.0 systems which they temporary clamed we was outnumbered 3-4:1 taking local. We was waiting, waiting, and ... waiting. Its really disapointing when two our pilots jumping into 8MG, and suddenly whole bunch of smash/rk guys insta running away to their outpost. Well yes thats probably normal way of play for them, anyway still no fight...
So we decide to stay in one very visible place in Airaken (gate Oijj) because it could be a bit to hard for smash guys to locate 1x man gang flying on one of three systems, really...
With little help from RK they 'find' us in Airaken, staying and waiting. Few times a recon/cops decloaked >100k from gate. Some smack talk like smash is invincible, and that we better run away and things like that. Well it doesnt help at all (sorry guys) and we was still waiting for them.
After some time, they came and fight was started. Like my corpmates write before, when smash saw that they not winning (outnumbered us didnt help much), more their allies jumped and they start laghell with concord, drones etc. We was having scouts in two system ahead, and we know about blob before fight was started.
Difference is that we're not running away when we know that we all probably die, almost everytime we are outnumbered and thats a normal thing for us.
Anyway we are a small corp - yes, so small engagement too, but we didnt join this corp to run away, but to fight, and thats what we doing.
Well truth is that (sorry for that) coward smash can't win without blobing (simmilar to RK their allies). They cant win fight in hi sec for example 10 vs 10 and they know that. Thats nothing new, they are like they are and thats probably wont change.
BTW if someone want great KB ratio, really... join BoB, and engage only when you know that you will win without probs, and/or press self destruct if something goes wrong (no offence to BoB fans).
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Porgy
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.03 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Elijah
Hoping for a fight in empire, where Smash no longer had the advantage of their allies and/or carrier spasm but we can dock up quickly just in case we still dont have the advantage
completed your sentence. Don't bite off more than you can chew and stick to fighting other corps or alliances that are maybe a little more on your level.
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Dez Affinity
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.03 18:21:00 -
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Wait you are saying that the lag CONCORD caused stopped you from winning? Do you not believe that both sides suffer from lag? Do you not believe CONCORD EEEEEEENSTAPOP with great vengeance and furious anger those who commit a crime?
Sorry dude I'm not buying it.
There was a SMASHKILL gang already around when someone said 'oh look smash wts in airaken', so they took the gang there, there was 'accidents'.
Oh and MAH K/D RATIO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.02.03 18:32:00 -
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Wardec Roadkill too. Problem solved.
Your mistake is simply in assuming that they aren't going to help each other just because you only wardec'd one of them.
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Elijah
Personal Vendetta
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Posted - 2008.02.03 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Elijah on 03/02/2008 18:39:08
Originally by: Porgy
Originally by: Elijah
Hoping for a fight in empire, where Smash no longer had the advantage of their allies and/or carrier spasm but we can dock up quickly just in case we still dont have the advantage
completed your sentence. Don't bite off more than you can chew and stick to fighting other corps or alliances that are maybe a little more on your level.
Lol yeah we really ran away and docked last night, admittedly im not going to have 5 of us engage 20 odd, but last night we knew the odds and stood our ground.
We are just miffed that every time we engage you 1 of your lot agro concord, last night in our logs we counted 4 RK members. Are they really that bad with their overview settings? If that is the case I retract my statement and apologize.
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Trass
Personal Vendetta
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Posted - 2008.02.03 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Suffering
Wardec Roadkill too. Problem solved.
Your mistake is simply in assuming that they aren't going to help each other just because you only wardec'd one of them.
Well its not quite as it is. We wardeced rk before and it was simmilar like now with their closest allies. I myself was in smashkill pet corp one year ago and i saw their 'tactics'.
Topic is a relation from small battle, nothing more. Besides this forum shouldnt be only about "great" war bob vs rsf so there is it.
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Porgy
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.03 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Elijah
admittedly im not going to have 5 of us engage 20 odd,
then you chose the wrong group to dec. Its not like we sit around, sort, and divvy out proper portions of pilots to go engage people. We have an intel channel where people report when they see hostiles (yourselves) and anybody who cares to (and often times this can equal a blob since we are starving for pew pew) can x up and run the hostile down. If you think out of a conjoined Smash/Atlas/Chaos/Kill player pool you are going to only see 5 of us come meet your 5 then you are delusional and need to go find a much smaller entity to dec. Have a nice day.
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Lottie
Templar Republic
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.03 18:53:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Trass
Difference is that we're not running away when we know that we all probably die, almost everytime we are outnumbered and thats a normal thing for us.
Originally by: Elijah
Lol yeah we really ran away and docked last night, admittedly im not going to have 5 of us engage 20 odd
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Stoned Runner
Spartan Industrial Manufacturing
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.03 19:23:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Lottie
Originally by: Trass
Difference is that we're not running away when we know that we all probably die, almost everytime we are outnumbered and thats a normal thing for us.
Originally by: Elijah
Lol yeah we really ran away and docked last night, admittedly im not going to have 5 of us engage 20 odd
i quote dis... never gonna run but eventually you ran  way out !
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Pinza
Point-Zero
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.03 20:07:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Elijah
During the course of the war, we [Personal Vendetta] have attempted to provoke Smash into bringing it. Needless to say hit and run tactics in Bwf and the surrounding low sec systems, were met by a combination of Smash and Roadkill ships. At this point I hasten to add we were only at war with Smash alliance.
Hoping for a fight in empire, where Smash no longer had the advantage of their allies and/or carrier spasm; we formed up with 11 bs along with 2-3 support ships on the Oijanen gate in Airaken (a 0.5 system). Around 22:30 eve time we received reports of around 30 odd Smash as well as multiple Roadkill jumping into Oijanen (estimated numbers were around 50 Smashkill in total of mixed Bs and support.)
It was looking like all our attempts at provoking Smash had worked as they formed up on the other side of our gate. Minute’s later local outside bumped from 70 to 130+, as both the Smash and Roadkill gang jumped in. Primaries were called, and the fight was going in our favor, even with R0adkill repping the smash ships, things went against us when the R0adkill gang decided to join in. As had happened twice previously, Roadkill ships aggressed our gang which brought Concord and completely lagged what had been previously lag free. The battle quickly turned into a slide show and PV started to take multiple losses, and Smash managed to take the field. In our minds there is no doubt that Smash’s plan all along was to have Roadkill aggress in order to bring in Concord and completely lag up the fight, thus insuring Smash could use their numerical advantage to force us to retreat.
Total Kills:Losses
BS: 6:6
CS: 1:1
Has: 1:1
Recon 0:2
Bc: 2:0
Dictor 1:0
Cruiser 3:0
Total 14:10
Congrats Smash and thanks for the fight pity you couldn’t win it without R0adkill holding your hands. shall we say same time tonight? but without concord =)
http://smash-alliance.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=28713
Sure about that whole RK triggering Concord thing?
PS. Get more people and fight us in actual pvp space so you don't tear about the lag.
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Eventus
Spartan Industrial Manufacturing
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.03 20:28:00 -
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So your saying that concord won the fight for us. Not us breaking your remote rep tanks and killing you. I personally got on 2 Battleship killmails before going down adding enough dps to break the 2 large remote reps one of your bs had on another. I recieved no remote rep. After the fight my corp arranged another gang as we wanted some more pvp, as soon as we jump to air, you guys ran to new caldari and began logging. If you hadnt noticed this is EVE finding fair fights happens sometimes but not very often.
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CiNi
Daiwa.
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Posted - 2008.02.03 21:16:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Mistress Suffering
Wardec Roadkill too. Problem solved.
Your mistake is simply in assuming that they aren't going to help each other just because you only wardec'd one of them.
This
Hi PV <3
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.03 21:41:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Splagada on 03/02/2008 21:41:27
Quote:
Total 14:10
lol
much ado about nothing
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The Comatorium
The Ghazi
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Posted - 2008.02.03 22:01:00 -
[43]
Edited by: The Comatorium on 03/02/2008 22:02:37
Doesnt SMASH have a 300 man fleet or so with POS spammin Triumvirates space... or was it just one of their "we can do it but it means we cant get drunk tonite" operations... like helping Ronin kick a bunch of Industrial corps out of outer Rings with a 60 man fleet and leaving 1 by 1 the day after without any fights.
or maybe... they are so threatened by PV! oh i get it now... Nevermind!
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Anikadir
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.03 22:14:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Trass
I myself was in smashkill pet corp one year ago and i saw their 'tactics'.
We have "pets"??
Can I ask for one of those nasty little siamese cats (the bald ones with the ebil eyes) then? I can then fire it at my foe when I run out of missiles :D
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Funky Feeling
Ventis Secundis
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.03 22:52:00 -
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We won simply because when one of the newer guys brought in Concord.. I blew the buggers up in my doomsday osprey.
tsk tsk.. whine because the game mechanics got in the way of a horribly bad plan.
next time.. jump where concord can't screw you.
Now excuse me... I have to go see my concord parole officer.
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Chr0nosX
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.04 00:07:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Chr0nosX on 04/02/2008 00:10:43
Originally by: Elijah
In our minds there is no doubt that SmashÆs plan all along was to have Roadkill aggress in order to bring in Concord and completely lag up the fight, thus insuring Smash could use their numerical advantage to force us to retreat.
Ermm no. It was just RK nubs shooting. If the point was to lag up the fight I don't think they would of aggressed in battleships. Anyway if you don't like concord - maybe come out of Hisec into BWF in force. Im actually suprised how well it went for SMASH (I think RK repping helped a lot) seeing as it was just a mix and match gang against a BS spider tanking gang.
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EvilChipmunk
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Posted - 2008.02.04 00:56:00 -
[47]
you really dont get roadsmash, when smash is loosing a fight, they dont say "oh no, we need to call in rk", because it is rare that there is a 100% smash gang. The primary channel for xing up is shared, hence gangs are mixed
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Peoke
Caldari
Unknown Shoe Corp.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.04 01:24:00 -
[48]
Smash and rk have 2 seperate names because of the way we came to geminate. the corps in rk left chimera pact and created roadkill. we left xzh and goon war with d2 to take a chunk of our own space. we headed to old space we knew of as we help vale stations for a time. we show up see scooter1 in local. next day ratel drops outpost we told them not to. we decided years of fighting eachother as smash and stain. then working with each other vs g and iron azn invasion. Made the simple a single alliance with 2 names. 4 leaders at the top with 2 figure heads. as you have it today Peoke and scooter1, we wont be divided as we took our homes and defended them. as for a fight head in deeper then bwf, i dont give a crap about campers there.
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Lorq vonRay
Spartan Industrial Manufacturing
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.04 02:22:00 -
[49]
read this
i laughed, i cried
then i forgot y this matters at all
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.04 04:22:00 -
[50]
Edited by: *****zilla on 04/02/2008 04:24:24
Originally by: Elijah
...lot agro concord, ... bad with their overview settings...
Many of us rarely visit Empire. It isn't unusual to go a few months without leaving 0.0. Low sec is more common, but even then there isn't any worry about Concord.
Spend that much time shooting anything not blue and its a natural reaction in empire. I sincerely doubt that more than a few have empire specific overview settings because its more likely a major patch will be released that nukes the settings before the overview is even used again.
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Calypso's Wrath
Caldari
Black Watch Legionnaires
Rare Faction
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Posted - 2008.02.04 06:09:00 -
[51]
Any of you people who think its dumb for a small corp to War dec a 00 alliance don't know what your missing. As BWL may have been a minor annoyance to the likes of Smash/RK, CVA, or Ka-tet they sure as hell know who we are. I don't know ONE 0.0 alliance that can keep a positive ratio vs a small gurilla Corp raiding against them.
Good on you, Personal Vendetta. Keep up the fight.
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FinrodFelagund
Rome
Rare Faction
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Posted - 2008.02.04 09:06:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Calypso's Wrath
Any of you people who think its dumb for a small corp to War dec a 00 alliance don't know what your missing. As BWL may have been a minor annoyance to the likes of Smash/RK, CVA, or Ka-tet they sure as hell know who we are. I don't know ONE 0.0 alliance that can keep a positive ratio vs a small gurilla Corp raiding against them.
Good on you, Personal Vendetta. Keep up the fight.
The deccing is not dumb! It's the smack and complaints about blobbing that most of these corps do that is.
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Lprezidente
Minmatar
Personal Vendetta
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Posted - 2008.02.04 09:26:00 -
[53]
It is blatently obvious that not many of you have actually taken in what the OP said.
We are in no way whining about the numbers that were brought in, we have lived in the area long enough to know that the Smash guys and RK guys are pretty much a whole unit, that tends to go without saying and good luck to them.
The whole point of this was to outline the fact that even though they outnumbered us at least 2 - 1 they still felt the need to drag concord in to the fight knowing full well what effect this would have on the system and also knowing full well that this would take out the effectiveness of the PV gang.
We are a small corp and as such nearly always end up fighting outnumbered and this is not an issue in any way shape or form. but, when we take on a much bigger force and start whittling them down, due to us being organised and not dependent on numbers then it is a shame.
And as for us running, I am quite sure that no FC worth his salt would put his gang out to fight something he didnt think he had even a slim chance of walking away from.
We regrouped and if i recall correctly came back to nail another on the gate.
I seem to recall a convo in airaken local last night between a Smash / RK (apologies as i cant recall which alliance the member was from) and a TRI guy, the Smashkill guy was saying that TRI only come into BWF with nano gangs and smack, smack, smack.
10 mins later a 9 man TRI BS gang drops in to BWF and the Smash/RK blob disperesed immediately.
So you gents can flame all you like as you are the worst culprits.
But all said, its a game and we all try to enjoy it.
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Ventro69
Caldari
Manson Family
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.04 09:57:00 -
[54]
Are you just trying to justify the contract?
Keep in mind we jumped into a system where you guys had the grids loaded already. You had the benefit from the lag for the first bit.
I got on like 5 kill mails with a Blackbird, including a Falcon that I was able to jam up. Skills?
Your corp is 20 odd strong and you dec a large alliance like Smash, then complain about being outnumbered?
You seem to find excuses for everything you do wrong. 2 days prior, when a Vagabond and Deimos couldn't pin down my Thorax, you accused me of having stabs fitted, whilst I had for some silly reason only had one ECM fitted. With 7 of you in system, you were still unable to kill me, even when I jumped into your gate camp.
If you suck at being merc's, go mine.
To your client, money wasted. I won't hire these guys again tbh.
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Iva Soreass
Personal Vendetta
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Posted - 2008.02.04 10:05:00 -
[55]
Keep smacking smash makes you guys look oh so great, funny how its always you guys that smack in local when we pop you.
And who said anything about it being a contract?
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Ventro69
Caldari
Manson Family
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.04 10:12:00 -
[56]
Stating the fatcs is not smacking.
Anyways, can PV please stop noobs from posting. The skilled, mature players are trying to enjoy the game.
If there is no contract and you're funding this yourselves, follow my advice, go mine.
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Talpa Iute
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.04 10:17:00 -
[57]
Lol one has to enjoy the smashkill smackmachine at work, start a thread about an engagement and they'll sure as hell lay the smacketh on ya.
Give them hell Eli and the gang
/Talpa
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Lprezidente
Minmatar
Personal Vendetta
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Posted - 2008.02.04 10:20:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Lprezidente on 04/02/2008 10:22:22
Edited by: Lprezidente on 04/02/2008 10:21:09
Originally by: Ventro69
Your corp is 20 odd strong and you dec a large alliance like Smash, then complain about being outnumbered?
You obviously cant read, why don't you get on with your remedial english lesson. i did state that we are not complaining about being outnumbered as we always are due to the size of the corp.
We are not on contract either.
We did nothing wrong, you are the tards that brought in concord not us.
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Ventro69
Caldari
Manson Family
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.04 10:30:00 -
[59]
Was it **** Van patten or Kiekegaard who said, "wtf"?
"You obviously cant read, why don't you get on with your remedial english lesson. i did state..."
I must go for English lessons? How about you start using a capital letter here and there? Anyways, we do have a station for kids who cun't read good, guess I'll go dock...
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.04 10:32:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Ventro69
To your client, money wasted. I would hire these guys again tbh.
Fixed the typo.
+++++would buy again.
Originally by: Iva Soreass
Keep smacking smash
/me tips hat.
Will do. We smack everyone. Including each other. If you count an explanation of common sense "smack".
What we do try to do is have fun and not make that many excuses. We don't mind losing ships. We don't hold k/d ratios in very high regard.
Very amusing to be in a gang where the members are demanding that the FC suicide the fleet on the off chance of a few kills *grin*.
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TeufelsBeitrag
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.04 11:35:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Lprezidente
We did nothing wrong, you are the tards that brought in concord not us.
Everytime you repeat this, it gets a bit more funny. =D
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Shinori
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.02.04 11:41:00 -
[62]
Say what you will about SmashKill, but they are good at degenerating situations and assuring smack all around them.
That's a + in my book
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Plaetean
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2008.02.04 11:42:00 -
[63]
Originally by: FinrodFelagund
Originally by: Calypso's Wrath
Any of you people who think its dumb for a small corp to War dec a 00 alliance don't know what your missing. As BWL may have been a minor annoyance to the likes of Smash/RK, CVA, or Ka-tet they sure as hell know who we are. I don't know ONE 0.0 alliance that can keep a positive ratio vs a small gurilla Corp raiding against them.
Good on you, Personal Vendetta. Keep up the fight.
The deccing is not dumb! It's the smack and complaints about blobbing that most of these corps do that is.
Not once are they whining about the numbers smashkill bring, just like smashkill shouldn't whine when PV don't engage. Neither corps have any obligation to engage/bring small gangs/whatever to each other. The issue is with (either through complete and utter ********ness or it being intentional) RK pilots consistently concording themselves and getting the whole grid lagged to ****, making fights impossible.
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Felax Thurin
Pegasus Mining and Securities
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Posted - 2008.02.04 12:03:00 -
[64]
We brought CONCORD - are you guys serious. To get this right - we were so scared of you winning we killed ourselves?
Stay off the drugs
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misscoda
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.04 12:29:00 -
[65]
PV: ZOMG Smash called reinforcements
PV: Let's whine about it on CAOD!
PV: ZOMG Smash, you called in R0ADKILL and CONCORD. You can't win without them holding your hands!
SMASH: Smack!
PV: ZOMG you smacked!
SMASH: Bite me nub
PV: Everyone, now you see what honorless blobbers they are! We did nothing wrong!
EVERYONE: Quit whining nubs, you got SACK'd. Should get your intel straight.
Bottomline: dont get mad on the forums, get even ingame.
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TalanR
Personal Vendetta
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Posted - 2008.02.04 13:44:00 -
[66]
Edited by: TalanR on 04/02/2008 13:46:24
IÆll try to explain it as simple as I can.
GOOD
- a gang thatÆs more the double our size
- using a friendly corp. for logistics
BAD
- Shooting concord so the whole grid gets lagged out
First few times I would have believed that it wasnÆt done on purpose but it has happened to many times now to be accidental. Although I donÆt agree with their tactics I still enjoyed the first part of the fight before the powerpoint presentation.
I would say: All is fair in love and war.
But also every action as a reaction. Eve is about being able to adapt to changes in the game. In this case it just means that we need to rethink our tactics to prevent this from happening in the future.
This topic was created with only one purpose and that was to address one tactic that was used in the last big engagement. That tactic was lagging out the grid by use of concord.
Still credits to smashkill for bringing us a fight. It's better than having no fights at all
TalanR
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Lprezidente
Minmatar
Personal Vendetta
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Posted - 2008.02.04 14:32:00 -
[67]
Originally by: TalanR
Edited by: TalanR on 04/02/2008 13:46:24
BAD
- Shooting concord so the whole grid gets lagged out
But also every action as a reaction. Eve is about being able to adapt to changes in the game. In this case it just means that we need to rethink our tactics to prevent this from happening in the future.
Still credits to smashkill for bringing us a fight. It's better than having no fights at all
Agree on all counts there, and to those that wander why a small corp would dec a large alliance (and friends) it is plain and simple, you are always guaranteed a fight of some description.
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Reax Grim
Final Conflict UK
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.04 14:54:00 -
[68]
this is a simple fix.. why even bother to fight in empire. drag urselfs out to 0.0 and then thers no concord to get in the way.
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Wesley Baird
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.04 15:23:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Reax Grim
this is a simple fix.. why even bother to fight in empire. drag urselfs out to 0.0 and then thers no concord to get in the way.
Here's a clue, Cyno Jammers and Jump Bridges! I know, you want to fight with all the cards stacked in your favour...makes being awesome alot easier...a war dec forces fights away from your strengths.
If you don't like it, stay in 0.0, and pretend only 'real pvp' happens under the warm skirt of cyno jammers and jump bridges...
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Dez Affinity
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.04 15:37:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Lprezidente
Edited by: Lprezidente on 04/02/2008 10:28:31
You obviously cant read, why don't you get on with your remedial learning lesson. i did state that we are not complaining about being outnumbered as we always are due to the size of the corp.
We are not on contract either.
We did nothing wrong, you are the tards that brought in concord not us.
Your smack is weak and so is your logic.
Originally by: Plaetean
Not once are they whining about the numbers smashkill bring, just like smashkill shouldn't whine when PV don't engage. Neither corps have any obligation to engage/bring small gangs/whatever to each other. The issue is with (either through complete and utter ********ness or it being intentional) RK pilots consistently concording themselves and getting the whole grid lagged to ****, making fights impossible.
As someone said previously, some people never leave 0.0 and when they jump into high sec and hear primaries called they simply forget, you get over it though, both sides get lag, not just one. You're right abotu your first statement but everyone gets frustrated when they don't get a fight.
Originally by: TalanR
First few times I would have believed that it wasnÆt done on purpose but it has happened to many times now to be accidental. Although I donÆt agree with their tactics I still enjoyed the first part of the fight before the powerpoint presentation.
Fight in Oijanen instead
Originally by: Wesley Baird
Here's a clue, Cyno Jammers and Jump Bridges! I know, you want to fight with all the cards stacked in your favour...makes being awesome alot easier...a war dec forces fights away from your strengths.
If you don't like it, stay in 0.0, and pretend only 'real pvp' happens under the warm skirt of cyno jammers and jump bridges...
Bevel and Emboss, DO NOT WANT. (In reference to your signature =])
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sharkyballs
Amarr
Priory Of The Lemon
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.04 15:48:00 -
[71]
/me posting in an honor tanking thread
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.04 15:57:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Wesley Baird
...you want to fight with all the cards stacked in your favour...
This from tri? But now that you mention it VFK-IV was mighty comfortable.
Originally by: Wesley Baird
...a war dec forces fights away from your strengths...
Thats the point. A war dec forces nothing. Its rather unusual for a large alliance close to empire to be *not* in constant war decs. Unless someone posts in COAD most have no clue who the war decs are. Our responses have mostly to help *them* get fights from *us*. We're not the ones whining about fights.
Originally by: Wesley Baird
...stay in 0.0, and ... 'real pvp' happens ...
Fixed.
Much easier than dealing with multiple war decs, multiple alliances, and all those blinking red and having to deal with security status.
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Nizar
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.04 16:16:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Wesley Baird
Originally by: Reax Grim
this is a simple fix.. why even bother to fight in empire. drag urselfs out to 0.0 and then thers no concord to get in the way.
Here's a clue, Cyno Jammers and Jump Bridges! I know, you want to fight with all the cards stacked in your favour...makes being awesome alot easier...a war dec forces fights away from your strengths.
If you don't like it, stay in 0.0, and pretend only 'real pvp' happens under the warm skirt of cyno jammers and jump bridges...
well, pvp under the "warm skirt" of empire stations isnt very noble either...
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Reax Grim
Final Conflict UK
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.04 16:27:00 -
[74]
@Wesley Baird
i remember sitten above tri hard station for hours making a giant GF out of our ships while all of the tri sat in a station... so its nothing todo with sitten in our own space ;) (cant find the image we took but sure someone has it)
just find PV laughable.... wardec one part of SACK and expect the rest to watch. then moan on the forums about concord when they dont bother to come to our space after wardecing "us" and expect us to go to them...
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MrTriggerHappy
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.04 16:41:00 -
[75]
Edited by: MrTriggerHappy on 04/02/2008 16:41:17
Originally by: FinrodFelagund
Perhaps its time to institute slashdots infamous...
"You're new here arn't you."
Roadkill and smash are not seperate alliances, anyone whos ever been aroudn them for >5 minutes can realize that they are the same enity.
I've gotta say with every new merc nub corp making a NAST and complaining they are getting blobbed, my respect for MDK goes up. IIRC they wardecced both they did their gank thing, said look at our insane kill death ratio and went on their way, don't remember them complaining about blobs either. (but my memory is fuzzy)
GL with your quest for respect PV. But ganking smash and complaining about being blobbed by smashkill only makes you guys look like complete nubs.
From the sound of it youre not even in it for the pure griefing of hauler ganking and gate camping bwf while smashkill is busy with something else... If you want good fights why dont you wardec an alliance or corp your size and then sit in their home system for 24 hours.
*Hands Finrod some Bree* His post is spot on!
Anyway PV...
Basically your whine post is pointless, you war dec smash and dont go beyond BWF.. go deeper into geminate then you deserve to whine (you would also save yourself some war dec iskies).
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Wesley Baird
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.04 17:57:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Nizar
well, pvp under the "warm skirt" of empire stations isnt very noble either...
On this I agree...most pvp isn't very noble as most everyone seeks a clear advantage before they engage. Sadly those willing to fight without a clear advantage are in the minority.
To be fair, there are FC's in Roadkill who will engage without having clear odds in their favour...I don't know about Smash, as frankly despite fighting them for 3 weeks, I only ever saw them fight under Roadkill FC's...
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The Comatorium
The Ghazi
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Posted - 2008.02.04 18:35:00 -
[77]
Who the F are Personal Vendetta? Why does smash always get the drama with those nowhere people.
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Plaetean
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2008.02.04 18:41:00 -
[78]
Originally by: The Comatorium
Who the F are Personal Vendetta? Why does smash always get the drama with those nowhere people.
Who the F are you?
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Bashiri
Point-Zero
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.04 18:57:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Trass
To get a bit of attention we was flying around in group in Oijj, BWF, 8MG etc. In 0.0 systems which they temporary clamed we was outnumbered 3-4:1 taking local. We was waiting, waiting, and ... waiting. Its really disapointing when two our pilots jumping into 8MG, and suddenly whole bunch of smash/rk guys insta running away to their outpost. Well yes thats probably normal way of play for them, anyway still no fight...
So we decide to stay in one very visible place in Airaken (gate Oijj) because it could be a bit to hard for smash guys to locate 1x man gang flying on one of three systems, really...
With little help from RK they 'find' us in Airaken, staying and waiting. Few times a recon/cops decloaked >100k from gate. Some smack talk like smash is invincible, and that we better run away and things like that. Well it doesnt help at all (sorry guys) and we was still waiting for them.
After some time, they came and fight was started. Like my corpmates write before, when smash saw that they not winning (outnumbered us didnt help much), more their allies jumped and they start laghell with concord, drones etc. We was having scouts in two system ahead, and we know about blob before fight was started.
Difference is that we're not running away when we know that we all probably die, almost everytime we are outnumbered and thats a normal thing for us.
Anyway we are a small corp - yes, so small engagement too, but we didnt join this corp to run away, but to fight, and thats what we doing.
Well truth is that (sorry for that) coward smash can't win without blobing (simmilar to RK their allies). They cant win fight in hi sec for example 10 vs 10 and they know that. Thats nothing new, they are like they are and thats probably wont change.
BTW if someone want great KB ratio, really... join BoB, and engage only when you know that you will win without probs, and/or press self destruct if something goes wrong (no offence to BoB fans).
Ok and if you was outnumber 100 to 1 how come your corp mate said only 5 rk was there if your going to post crap please stay with your statement from the op.
P.S welcome to EvE whoever you are
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CCP Saint
C C P
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Posted - 2008.02.04 19:01:00 -
[80]
There is a lot of trolling going on in this thread. Please get back on topic or it will be locked.
Saint
Community Representative
EVE Online, CCP Games
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Bashiri
Point-Zero
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.04 19:04:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Lprezidente
Originally by: TalanR
Edited by: TalanR on 04/02/2008 13:46:24
BAD
- Shooting concord so the whole grid gets lagged out
But also every action as a reaction. Eve is about being able to adapt to changes in the game. In this case it just means that we need to rethink our tactics to prevent this from happening in the future.
Still credits to smashkill for bringing us a fight. It's better than having no fights at all
Agree on all counts there, and to those that wander why a small corp would dec a large alliance (and friends) it is plain and simple, you are always guaranteed a fight of some description.
KK back on topic take the fight into low sec so you can get SACK love instead?
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ZenTex
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.04 19:06:00 -
[82]
Damnit! the OP is onto us!
The truth is out guys, lets admit it. Yes, it's true, we can call Concord for help anytime we need them. Really.
C'mon. Getting our pilots to suicide to lag you out? ROFL. Seriously, what were you smoking man.
There's little a sledgehammer can't fix.
If you can't fix it, you need a bigger sledgehammer.
If it's unfixable, blame CCP. :p
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Elijah
Personal Vendetta
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Posted - 2008.02.04 19:13:00 -
[83]
[ 2008.02.02 22:31:19 ] (notify) RK Member: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences.
[ 2008.02.02 22:31:20 ] (notify) RK Member: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences.
[ 2008.02.02 22:31:28 ] (notify) RK Member: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences.
[ 2008.02.02 22:32:43 ] (notify) RK Member: You have foolishly engaged in criminal activity within sight of sentry guns and must suffer the consequences.
Names removed for obvious reasons, getting bored of this now TBH,
Cya out there
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TeufelsBeitrag
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.04 19:31:00 -
[84]
[ 2008.02.02 22:31:19 ] (notify) Elijah: You have foolishly engaged in hostile activity within sight of Roadkill and must suffer the lagsploits.
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Calypso's Wrath
Caldari
Black Watch Legionnaires
Rare Faction
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Posted - 2008.02.04 20:08:00 -
[85]
Originally by: TeufelsBeitrag
[ 2008.02.02 22:31:19 ] (notify) Elijah: You have foolishly engaged in hostile activity within sight of Roadkill and must suffer the lagsploits.
You win this thread. 
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Bashiri
Point-Zero
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.04 20:10:00 -
[86]
Originally by: TeufelsBeitrag
[ 2008.02.02 22:31:19 ] (notify) Elijah: You have foolishly engaged in hostile activity within sight of Roadkill and must suffer the lagsploits.
haha you win
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Archesh
Caldari
Final Conflict UK
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.04 20:12:00 -
[87]
This thread makes me LawL.
I dont think I've even read a wardec mail in the last two months. There is no point, it doesnt really change my behavior at all in the scope of what I try to accomplish in eve.
If your gonna wardec someone, why not wardec somone who actually has an interest in being in empire. Wardec a 00 alliance and all you are is a statistic in the calculated risk of doing buisness.
Threads like this just make ppl like Tri look like they have balls a solid rock.
PV just needs to grow up a bit before they start lookn at us on there radar. They may very well have some solid pvp skillz, but at the moment, they look like they just want to fight pointless battles.
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CCP Saint
C C P
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Posted - 2008.02.04 20:15:00 -
[88]
*Locked*
Saint
Community Representative
EVE Online, CCP Games
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