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CaptMorgan	Posted - 2004.03.31 12:13:00 - [1] Edited by: CaptMorgan on 14/04/2004 10:53:21 I tryed searching for this request thinking im sure someone already thought of this but... Could we have a way to train our skills via this site? It would be very nice to do do some skill training at work. My work computer cant run eve because of the video card. This would also help if anyone is having computer problems and cant get into eve. EDIT:I would like to also push the Qued skill idea mentioned in most of the replys in this post. Rum.com Hadean Drive Yards Your Civilian Auto Cannon perfectly strikes Sansha's Servant Ship, wrecking for 987,547,415.3 damage.
Lindorf	Posted - 2004.03.31 12:18:00 - [2] Yeah, exactly the same situation, can't run Eve at work and i'd like to be able to switch my researches by the Eve website. I think it could be more profitable for you, CCP, because of people who go on hollidays during one month, unable to switch their researches, it's possible they don't pay for this month. But in the case they could switch it only wia an internet connection could make them keep their subscription during their vacations... Lindorf - XORG inc We are XORGs - Resistance is futile
Nihility	Posted - 2004.03.31 14:41:00 - [3] I would even pay extra to be able to switch skills via the web interface.
NeoDark	Posted - 2004.03.31 18:10:00 - [4] It will be great to have this on use. Anyone that cant run eve cuz they are at work, college or other than his owm PC. Can access his character and train their skill. I can't run eve sometimes cuz im at college and on work. Neo
Drakk	Posted - 2004.03.31 18:30:00 - [5] Yeah, that'd be great. I'm being deployed for 12 months and I wont have access to EVE. But if I could continue training my skills via a web based program somehow, I'd probably keep my subscription.
Hachon Napier	Posted - 2004.03.31 19:53:00 - [6] I think web-based training is absolutely a good idea.. How about a training-que too? When you're off to vacation or something then you can set up a que with deisred skills to train.. Especially good with those skills who take 9 hours etc.. I can only train them in weekends or a bit there and a bit here..
Jagolis	Posted - 2004.04.01 01:56:00 - [7] wow, i'll definately sign this thread. that would be awesome. my laptop can't run eve, but it always has net access. plus if you could browse / buy / sell on the eve market with a web interface, that would be even better!
vecdran	Posted - 2004.04.01 06:12:00 - [8] I've thought of this since the first day I played, and it really is a brilliant idea :) The Civilized Civire
CaptMorgan	Posted - 2004.04.01 07:18:00 - [9] Quote: I think web-based training is absolutely a good idea.. How about a training-que too? When you're off to vacation or something then you can set up a que with deisred skills to train.. Especially good with those skills who take 9 hours etc.. I can only train them in weekends or a bit there and a bit here.. I like that idea about the training que. I would actually settle for that if a web based skill training could not be possible. Maybe this could be introduced as a new learning skill, to be able to que your skill training...? Rum.com Hadean Drive Yards Your Civilian Auto Cannon perfectly strikes Sansha's Servant Ship, wrecking for 987,547,415.3 damage.
Cubis	Posted - 2004.04.01 07:39:00 - [10] That's a wonderful idea to train skills from the internet. It would keep people conected to Eve when they could not access thier gaming system. I would use it from work. A skill training queue would be awesome, save me from setting alarms in the middle of the night. If that wasn't possible, I've even settle for a in game search on skills based on hours. You could select from a drop down "Skills under one hour, Skills 2-3 hours, Skills 4-5 hours, etc., Skills 1Day, Skills 1Day+" Perhaps not as vital but at least you could get an idea of the next time your logging on and select a training sesion based on that time. Great ideas here, be nice to see them realized. Midshipman Cubis(Mining & Transport) -Logistics Division -
Chaos	Posted - 2004.04.01 07:51:00 - [11] Great idea Morgan, gets my vote Hadean Special Operations Group Death Before Dishonour
Dynnr	Posted - 2004.04.01 08:26:00 - [12] Great idea, Capt. Count me in. This would make things so much easier, all around. All my arguements have already been said by the others above me, so if you want to know what I'm thinking...just look up. ~~Dynnr~~ Cadet Dynnr(Mining & Transport) - Logistics Division - Hadean Drive Yards
Gunganklr	Posted - 2004.04.01 10:18:00 - [13] /Agree I was going to post this myself, but since this is already up, I'll just add my name. I've just started playing really, and I have internet access from work. It would be rather spiffy to be able to train skills via the internet.
Hardwired	Posted - 2004.04.01 10:40:00 - [14] Damn awesome idea mate. I would love to see such a feature open for us.
Hot Space	Posted - 2004.04.01 11:07:00 - [15] I think many have this problem. But if you could run skills and etc from this site it would be a huge help. Like many are working overday that couls check quick once the site and activate some things with out starting up the game. Sure it must be possible as they proposed SMS message that means that CCP can extract info out of EVE in a non eve software. So the idea proposed in this topic has my 5000% support Resigned CEO of UPS
csebal	Posted - 2004.04.01 12:03:00 - [16] Actually, the idea was mentioned several times, even in some CSMs. Its a good idea indeed, no need to say more. Skill training at the moment is a pain in the ass. For example: i had to stop training of a skill yesterday, because it only had 9-10 hours left, and i knew i'll be at work at that time, not being ablt to start a new one. The interface to check what your skills are is already there, they would only have to add a train button next to each skill. Additionally, what about an EVE-Chat client, that lets you to chat in EVE without actually running the game. An EVE manager for example, that lets you: - check / set skills and training - read / write EVE-Mail messages - join / talk on corporate and custom chat channels I dont care if you need to have the game installed for it to work, just make a simple windows gui version of the manager, as while i can install the game anywhere i want, i cant have it running at work. ;) just my two cents ------------- This post is nothing more than my personal opinion. It does not represent the official standpoint of Fountain Alliance, or the HUN Corporation in any way. -------------
Bandus	Posted - 2004.04.01 12:24:00 - [17] I like this idea. Captain Bandus, Human Resources Officer
Jared Martell	Posted - 2004.04.01 12:51:00 - [18] Aye, if CCP could implement this, I think it would be a fantastic feature. The idea of queueing your skill training is also a good idea.
BlackRevenge	Posted - 2004.04.01 14:12:00 - [19] This is a GRAT IDEIA!!!!! I tottaly agree... That seems a great advantage to the game. How many time i went crazy cuz i skill ended and i will stay at work almost more 4 hours... __________________________________________________________
Apothil	Posted - 2004.04.01 15:06:00 - [20] May i say... THIS IS AN AMAZING IDEa, and i dotn often say that :-) Good luck with this, you lot have my full suport!
Ozius	Posted - 2004.04.01 16:07:00 - [21] I love that idea! That would make it so much easier to train skills from work.....Since the firewall here sucks and won't let me connect to eve. Hell, half the time I can't even get to the corp or eve-online site..... "Reality is an illusion created by a lack of alcohol."
Tyr Guann	Posted - 2004.04.01 19:02:00 - [22] This debate has been around since the dawn of eve. It was argued that many people log in just to set skills off, before logging out. By using a web based skill system, people would just not bother to log on and "play". As you can imagine, the debate ended with a resounding "no". Eve veterans from the lauch would remember this arguement.
PoPa	Posted - 2004.04.01 21:03:00 - [23] This would really help alot of the players especially those who can't always login for long periods. Or for people who are at work for example. PoPa - FireFlies corp
whohuhwhat	Posted - 2004.04.01 21:45:00 - [24] Totally agree with Capt. To counter the point of "ppl won't log in anymore". what difference does it make. CCP still gets their monthly fee so why not make it easier to change skills. Especially for all the noobs. Having 10 skills that take 30-50mins each is a pain. Having the ability to train skills offline, imo, would make eve a more diverse universe. I have a bunch of skills i would love to train up but don't have the ingame time to wait for the training to complete. Sretara whohuhwhat Director, WWJD 'STRIPPING A BELT NEAR YOU' w00t for patch day 2004.08.10 18:19:08combatYour Inferno Torpedo I hits Serpentis Guard, do
CaptMorgan	Posted - 2004.04.01 22:02:00 - [25] Edited by: CaptMorgan on 01/04/2004 22:04:57 Quote: This debate has been around since the dawn of eve. It was argued that many people log in just to set skills off, before logging out. By using a web based skill system, people would just not bother to log on and "play". As you can imagine, the debate ended with a resounding "no". Eve veterans from the lauch would remember this arguement. Disagree: Good example of this benefitting CCP/EVE is, one of our corp mates is in Iraq for a year. He has iternet access so he would be able to train skills if this idea were implemented. Luckly he has RL co-workers in the corp who are training his skills up for him while he is away. Now if he didnt have anyone to login to his account and train skills for him for a year...would you pay CCP to have an active account? No, of coarse not. I corp mate of mine (Bandus) posted in our corp forums a link to this: http://www.eve-i.com/home/dancer/page/page_eveskillmonitor.php This is neat little tool, BUT READ THE DISCLAIMER!!! Rum.com Hadean Drive Yards Your Civilian Auto Cannon perfectly strikes Sansha's Servant Ship, wrecking for 987,547,415.3 damage.
Flaeta	Posted - 2004.04.01 22:06:00 - [26] Take my situation for instance, if I can have a second of your time. I work at a university which of course has as many games and P2P services blocked as they can, as they should. For the most part of the week, I simply dont have access to a computer that I can run EVE on. It should be obvious that since my skills are being neglected from all that downtime, I'm considering simply giving the game up entirely. If I could watch after my skills on the web (which of course isn't blocked at the university), I would most likely keep my subscription.
Sintwar	Posted - 2004.04.01 22:28:00 - [27] Quote: This debate has been around since the dawn of eve. It was argued that many people log in just to set skills off, before logging out. By using a web based skill system, people would just not bother to log on and "play". As you can imagine, the debate ended with a resounding "no". Eve veterans from the lauch would remember this arguement. Ok, so what would be the difference from me installing Eve at work, logging in real fast and setting my skill? Some people are fortunate enough to be able to do that... Many are not so fortunate. So why single out the people who don't have that option? Its the same thing. And what do you care if they "play" or not? They pay for the account just like everyone else. Its just a different method of getting the same thing done. Wether I log in through the game or through a website. Its all connected to the same network bud.
CaptMorgan	Posted - 2004.04.02 06:56:00 - [28] So...ya good idea captmorgan! Your so intelligent! Rum.com Hadean Drive Yards Your Civilian Auto Cannon perfectly strikes Sansha's Servant Ship, wrecking for 987,547,415.3 damage.
Apothil	Posted - 2004.04.02 08:10:00 - [29] Well, if alot of people are doing this logging in to change skills then logging of they arenot really playing anyway so what differnce does it make if they changed it on the website. They still have an active account and it would just make less traffic for the ones who wanna play!
Vigo Barboza	Posted - 2004.04.02 09:39:00 - [30] my vote Recruitment
Imperishable	Posted - 2004.04.02 10:17:00 - [31] I heard some CCP representative say that if enough people request this, they'll do it. I also like the idea
Apothil	Posted - 2004.04.02 11:56:00 - [32] well lots of poele do want this so
Dontcha	Posted - 2004.04.02 18:44:00 - [33] This would be Very Very helpful CO Logistics
Darkhawk	Posted - 2004.04.02 19:54:00 - [34] Great thinking batman.. now CCP get to it! This would be really good to have, as logging all the way into the game just to do a few clicks (setting a skill) is a right bugger, this would make life a whole lot easier. Lieutenant Commander - Mining & Transport - Hadean Drive Yards OFFICIAL DISCLAIMER 1. This post may contain large amounts of sarcasm, satire and occasional parody. 2. I cannot be held accountable for anything I say, do, think or feel. 3. By existing and/or not existing, you forfeit any right to pursue legal action against me. 4. This post may contain traces of nuts.
Atansa	Posted - 2004.04.02 21:14:00 - [35] Quote: I tryed searching for this request thinking im sure someone already thought of this but... Could we have a way to train our skills via this site? It would be very nice to do do some skill training at work. My work computer cant run eve because of the video card. This would also help if anyone is having computer problems and cant get into eve. I would love that so very much. I would be able to be at work and doing my skills.
Nihility	Posted - 2004.04.04 22:35:00 - [36] Could someone from CCP comment on this thread?
Atansa	Posted - 2004.04.04 23:12:00 - [37] I would say we should keep making it circle till they do answer it.
Merlron Dreasis	Posted - 2004.04.05 19:29:00 - [38] I've been playing for 3 whole days, but IMHO, when I saw there was no skills queueing I thought, "this has to be some really questionable design decision". Obviously, with the "fatness" of the Eve client, almost no one can play it at work, so they are trying to keep people logged on, but inactive for some reason. In any case, some sort of "thin" access to the Eve world would greatly enhance my enjoyment of the game, since I only have a few potential hours on a weekday to actually play. Skills management, access to trading, etc., would probably make more of us employed adults likely to join the gameworld, since we wouldn't feel so disadvantaged to the people who have more access to the gameworld.
CaptMorgan	Posted - 2004.04.05 20:43:00 - [39] And in response to the post above, the only problem having a 'thin' client would be DLing the software and not having that port blocked where ever your trying to access it from. For instance: If you try to access your skills from locations other than home, such as work, you'll most likely run into a problem with your companies firewall. And some of us just cant get ports opened up. Also with the wireless scence getting bigger, wouldnt it be cool to have ur PDA or other small portable device (which is able to browse the internet) access your skills? I think so...even though im anti-wireless. Rum.com Hadean Drive Yards Your Civilian Auto Cannon perfectly strikes Sansha's Servant Ship, wrecking for 987,547,415.3 damage.
Cowboy	Posted - 2004.04.05 22:24:00 - [40] Quote: Captain Morgan looks an awful lot like Danny Trejo, don't ya think? Damn that is funny.... ohh yeah this topic gets my vote aswell. "Come on God. Answer me. For years I am asking you why. Why are the innocent dead and the guilty alive? Where is justice? Where is punishment? Or have you already answered? Have you already said to the world, here is justice, here is punishment, here..............in me"
corporal hicks	Posted - 2004.04.06 04:14:00 - [41] I think it's a great Idea I could get a account pay for a year train every skill and after a year i would have a character with 10 million or more skill points that I could sell on E-bay for a fortune with no work involved, I could use my main account and just transfer isk to the other to buy gear..would be great spend 200 euro over the year and sell the account for 500 or more euro at end. [Sarcasim off] The reason you can not queue skills is to stop people doing crap like the above. This topic has came up so many times in the past and I do pity the peeps away for a year ect who can not train skills and such, but then again there are the people who play games like this just to make real money. Blame them. " Stay Frosty "
Janus Rebelknight	Posted - 2004.04.06 05:05:00 - [42] Yeah give us this feature please! Account transfer is banned for monetary gain by CCP. ----- Janus "I'm not a stripper, I'm a miner."
Svodairs	Posted - 2004.04.06 06:36:00 - [43] vote yes
Nikolai Reidar	Posted - 2004.04.06 07:18:00 - [44] I'll be AWOL over the summer for two months, and that's two months wasted as far as skills go. What little internet connection I have at my summer house COULD be used switching skills, but what can you do? I could just train Gallente Battleship to lvl 5, but that would still leave me with a solid month of skill stagnation. Come on, CCP, how bad could it be? :. http://eve.lividandgifted.com (In-game) :. ph33r my HORNETS OF D00M!!!!111
Apothil	Posted - 2004.04.06 09:10:00 - [45] yes, it is very usfull, i know that i would use the internet skill changer alot but the skill queing, well that would be GREAT! please CCP
GSSINE	Posted - 2004.04.06 10:00:00 - [46] Quote: I think it's a great Idea I could get a account pay for a year train every skill and after a year i would have a character with 10 million or more skill points that I could sell on E-bay for a fortune with no work involved, I could use my main account and just transfer isk to the other to buy gear..would be great spend 200 euro over the year and sell the account for 500 or more euro at end. This argument doesnt not make any sense, if someone wants to train a second account to sell it what difference does it do to the feature that is disscused here. I hate signatures GodsStars
Lindorf	Posted - 2004.04.06 11:47:00 - [47] Quote: 200 euro over the year and sell the account for 500 or more euro at end. Eheh i know better ways to make 300 euros in one year lol. Lindorf - XORG inc We are XORGs - Resistance is futile
Kipkruide	Posted - 2004.04.06 12:27:00 - [48] hmm , well things like this have been suggested since launch but the never appeared so i guess there's some reason ccp doesn't like it much, btw i'd love a limited version, like one or 2 skill que, or auto train next level toggle, and web based training might be cool , dunno might be vulnerable to exploiting maybe.
Dazzar	Posted - 2004.04.06 13:37:00 - [49] Yeah this idea is great got my vote ----------------------------------------------- Director Of Public Relations GTAC
Nihility	Posted - 2004.04.06 13:49:00 - [50] Quote: I think it's a great Idea I could get a account pay for a year train every skill and after a year i would have a character with 10 million or more skill points that I could sell on E-bay for a fortune with no work involved, I could use my main account and just transfer isk to the other to buy gear..would be great spend 200 euro over the year and sell the account for 500 or more euro at end. [Sarcasim off] The reason you can not queue skills is to stop people doing crap like the above. The fact that skill training persists after you are logged out is a greater benefactor to this scenario that you describe. I have had this conversation with others, and one person brought up a very good point. He said he would love to fight the guy who buys an account off ebay. His point is that game play experience amounts to alot more then isk and sp. Also, this feature is mainly useful to the newer players, where every skill takes a few hours.
Po Eun	Posted - 2004.04.06 17:52:00 - [51] Quote: I think it's a great Idea I could get a account pay for a year train every skill and after a year i would have a character with 10 million or more skill points that I could sell on E-bay for a fortune with no work involved, I could use my main account and just transfer isk to the other to buy gear..would be great spend 200 euro over the year and sell the account for 500 or more euro at end. You still have to raise the money ingame to buy the skills
Enceladus	Posted - 2004.04.06 21:04:00 - [52] As many of you, I also have an issue logging in at work, but my issue is a strict firewall policy that blocks almost everything but Email and web. I think it would be cool if you were currently docked in the game, you could do online whatever is available to do at the station you are docked at. Heck, even possibly chatting via web browser to those logged in the game in your corp. And for those who think people should have to log into the game, you still technically would be... Just using the web browser as your interface rather than the EVE program. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The context and expressions put forth in this message are for entertainment purposes only. Any comments contained within this post are not necessarily my opinions but rather the opinions expressed by just the voices in my head. If you disagree from the voices, you can excersize your right (finger) and you can choose to not read this. Use that finger and turn off your monitor while I format your hard drive! ;)
YoYonis	Posted - 2004.04.07 00:21:00 - [53] I love the idea about training on the Web. I disagree how ever on the queing of skills. I think the alarm setting for in the middle of the night is a good thing. And if they did put queing in, it should only be for one future skill not a whole list of skills. Maybe the skill that ends rolls right over to the next level if you are not logged in? Don' know just thinking. "HDY building it's way to greatness one ship at a time."
Nihility	Posted - 2004.04.07 13:58:00 - [54] Well I went to switch skills this morning, but couldn't because of the extended outage, so now it looks like I will waste 8+ hours of valuable training time. If there was something like web based training, or even automatic train to the next level this wouldn't have happend
mrbabooon	Posted - 2004.04.07 18:13:00 - [55] i like the idea, 2 thumbs up.
Vaio	Posted - 2004.04.07 21:30:00 - [56] yes, this would be a very sweet feautre, i got same problem while i am at school. u think it would not be hard, they already got it so u can check your skills on site, how hard would it be to change your skill on the site. GOOD IDEA!
Ishkur	Posted - 2004.04.08 19:45:00 - [57] Great idea. Let's do it. And while they're at it, an interface to read eve-mail from the web would rule too.
Draximus Prime	Posted - 2004.04.08 20:47:00 - [58] I want to train skills from work! Code this t20 puuuuuuurlease. ______________________ To dare in fields is valor; but how few dare to be throughly valiant to be true?
Jake Tyler	Posted - 2004.04.09 09:18:00 - [59] Damn fine idea, training skills while at work? makes it (almost) worth going..lets see it SOON
Subvertio	Posted - 2004.04.09 19:12:00 - [60] I would very much like to see this idea implimented, count me in.
Enceladus	Posted - 2004.04.09 20:38:00 - [61] Accessibility to the market from the web would be cool too. eVEbay would be better to surf from work than ebay! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The context and expressions put forth in this message are for entertainment purposes only. Any comments contained within this post are not necessarily my opinions but rather the opinions expressed by just the voices in my head. If you disagree from the voices, you can excersize your right (finger) and you can choose to not read this. Use that finger and turn off your monitor while I format your hard drive! ;)
Jags	Posted - 2004.04.10 10:10:00 - [62] Defo a good idea although limit it to 3 or 4 skills in the queue , either web based or queued in the game (preferred option is queued in game).
Jerek Laz	Posted - 2004.04.11 02:02:00 - [63] Hey, this gets my vote... damn annoying when it takes half an hour to log into Eve (I blame AOL) when at home, or I just don't have the time to sit and watch things load. I agree with limiting the list/having skill continuity. hile some'd argue that it'd just mean people wouldn't log in that just isn't true: how else are you going to A) Earn the money for the skills? B) Get the skills C) decide which order to put them in? frankly profit / input doesn't justify "making" an account to sell. Also, people who may even TRY that would be aVERY small percentage, if even in existence. So, my vote! -------------------------------------------- "I say that every prince must desire to be considered merciful and not cruel; nevertheless, he must take care not to misuse this mercy. Cesare Borgia was considered cruel; nonetheless his cruelty had brought ORDER to Romagna, united, restored it to PEACE and OBEDIENCE." -Machiavelli The Prince
Sitar	Posted - 2004.04.12 21:00:00 - [64] This get my vote too. I hope this thread continues, so they see the big interest in this idea
Daka DreamStalker	Posted - 2004.04.12 23:55:00 - [65] I'll vote for that too. It's bad for players going away on holiday for a week or two. They should have the oppertunity to remote train their skills, there's several bandwidth benefits for CCP too. Member of the Freelancing Corp. /// EVE Signature & Banner Design Your Civilian Blaster perfectly strikes Serpentis Fugitive, wrecking for 2 damage.
Brunhilda	Posted - 2004.04.13 01:09:00 - [66] I, like most others, give the idea of web-based training all of my support. Work often gets in the way of training. queing skills would also rock
CaptMorgan	Posted - 2004.04.13 07:46:00 - [67] Another night of sitting at work while my character is not skill training This is due to me not remembering to switch to a long skill (10 days) before heading to work. If this idea were implemented i would be able to switch... Rum.com Hadean Drive Yards Your Civilian Auto Cannon perfectly strikes Sansha's Servant Ship, wrecking for 987,547,415.3 damage.
Lindorf	Posted - 2004.04.13 12:28:00 - [68] Could we have an answer from CCP, about this beautifull idea ? Lindorf - XORG inc We are XORGs - Resistance is futile
Bran Hale	Posted - 2004.04.13 12:36:00 - [69] Add my signature to the petition. In the meantime, if you can install the viewer at work, try using WinVNC
Odaroff	Posted - 2004.04.13 14:43:00 - [70] This is not something that is wanted to be done. This is not something that should be done. This is beyond both of those things, this is something that * needs * to be done. There comes a point where CCP needs to cede just a hair's breadth of control of the game to the community, and this is it. Not having this, means loss of revenue for CPP, from people who will not maintain their accounts due to not being able to perform simple maintenance on their characters. All of these features should be implemented in a web-based secure format : * changing and queueing of skill training * reading and posting EVEmail * chatting in in-game channels This is not about the spirit of the game, this is about the revenues of CCP, which will permit this game to stay alive longer and stronger than without it.
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.04.13 15:41:00 - [71] lol This is the umpteenth time something like this came up. The last time it was asked somewhere, Pann (relaying Hellmar's response) was something along the lines of "We need more people logging in, not less". And I agree. Eve is not about managing your character remotely from a site, it is logging in and doing your stuff that counts. If you want to lose as little skillpoints as possible, plan ahead. Web-training is never going to happen, live with it. [Heterocephalus glaber]
sebjr	Posted - 2004.04.14 04:02:00 - [72] yeah that is a good argument i guess....pity because it does help maintain interest when not available to play.
Raskil	Posted - 2004.04.14 06:02:00 - [73] If web training were to not be implemented even against overwhelming public outcry... I would settle for some type of que system, even just one skill ahead, and if you have to have restrictions, make it so you can only que a skill you already know, like if your training Mining 3, you cant que Mining 4. But I would love Web training, it would mean so much less pain than having to look at my Character Sheet on the website at work and see that no skills are being trained.
Discorporation	Posted - 2004.04.14 09:37:00 - [74] I don't think it will maintain interest. What interest can there be if you can just log into the site, and not even have to worry, or get anxious about getting home in time? [Heterocephalus glaber]
CaptMorgan	Posted - 2004.04.14 10:51:00 - [75] Quote: I don't think it will maintain interest. What interest can there be if you can just log into the site, and not even have to worry, or get anxious about getting home in time? I dont get worried or anxious, i get ****ed off...On the other hand i have heard from other sources that this idea is not going to happen. From what i hear CCP has already decided against this a long time ago. Although i do like the idea about Qued skillz. Of coarse maybe only 1 or 2 at the most should be allowed. To use the qued option there should be a skill for it too. Learning lvl 5 a pre req. Rum.com Hadean Drive Yards Your Civilian Auto Cannon perfectly strikes Sansha's Servant Ship, wrecking for 987,547,415.3 damage.
Nihility	Posted - 2004.04.14 16:05:00 - [76] Quote: This is the umpteenth time something like this came up. The last time it was asked somewhere, Pann (relaying Hellmar's response) was something along the lines of "We need more people logging in, not less". The need for this feature is based upon the lack of the ability to login, which makes this argument invalid. All this feature would allow you to do is change which skill you are training. You still have to buy skills, fly them somewhere, and train them in the actual console. I seriously doubt that the times when ppl login for about 30 secs to switch a skill affects CCP's attempt to break "record conncurent users", and if this actually were a problem, they could just count eve insider logins.
MAXIMO 2ND	Posted - 2004.04.14 16:19:00 - [77] I did'nt read evey response for lack of time here at work so I apologize if someone has already mentioned this... I was thinking of being able to select multiple skills you want to train and they would train in a domino effect so that when the firts training finishes it will automatically start training the next until all skills selected to train have finihed training. Maybe have a maximum of only able to que 5 skills to train in this domino way at a time.
Whitethorn	Posted - 2004.04.14 17:45:00 - [78] CCP asked recently about sending SMS messages whenever things happened in the Eve world, for things like completion of skills and so on. The general opinion seemed to be that it wasn't very useful if you couldn't actually do anything about them. Giving us the facility to manage training through the web site would make that idea a lot more viable, and that would earn CCP additional income from providing the SMS service since they were talking about it being a premium service with an extra cost attached. Personally, I'd like to see the ability to manage your training through the web site. This would actually benefit the newer players more than the established player-base, because they have lots of skills at low level that need only a couple of hours to complete. The established players have skills that take days or weeks to train, so can make far better use of their offline time. If we can't get that, I'd like to see either queueing of skills to train (limited queue of maybe 3 skills) or the option of letting a skill keep training up to the next level when the current one completes. I have unrestricted web access at work, but can't install any games on my PC and am sitting behind multiple firewalls that restrict external access to practically anything else. This means that I can only get online in Eve for about 3 hours in the evenings during the week, and have to choose skills very carefully to ensure I have something long-duration to train for the following 21 hours. It also means I have a lot of low-rank skills sitting at level 2 because the 4-6 hours needed for level 3 will waste practically the entire next day's possible training. I'm a relative newbie, so I'd be one of those that would benefit most if this was currently available. By the time it is likely to be implemented, I'll have joined the ranks of established players and no longer need it as much. It would still be very useful to me though. Whitethorn
Khal Drago	Posted - 2004.04.15 07:58:00 - [79] I'm a newly newbie ( ) and I'll really like the opportunity to train my skill (or at least 1 skill per day) from the web interface. Why ? because I'm not playing all days and some times, I connot play for weeks because of my familly life and work. So I would really appreciate to begin some training while at work (I can't launch Eve at work, my boss would kill me and I'm always in clients offices). Maybe limitating the train skill with the web interface to 1 or 2 ? Thanks a lot to Devs if it's possible
Zyxlo	Posted - 2004.04.15 13:16:00 - [80] Good ideas indeed, I hardly can play 4 hours a day compromising my sleep to wait to switch skill traninig and hoping i will have a skill that will take longer than 19 hours or so to train till i get back from sleep+work. Well. So far lots of unused time.
dave smith	Posted - 2004.04.16 15:30:00 - [81] I want it now. Hurry up CCP. You know it makes sense
Uncle Bruno	Posted - 2004.04.16 17:44:00 - [82] Yes yes, you want people signed in to train, not sitting on a webpage. Does it really matter to you to have us signed in for 45 seconds while we train a skill? This wouldn't encourage me to play less, nor would it make me play more. I work 10-6pm, and everyday I get home I want to play! Training while at work would be great! I think the follow are wonderful ideas! - Web-based Skilling - External EVE-Mail - External Chat (EQ has it) - Skill Queuing. Offer it as a skill, pre-req Learning 5.
sretara	Posted - 2004.04.26 20:30:00 - [83] OMG, i can't believe this fell so far down!!!! This is, IMO, critical. Please CCP can someone at least comment about this.
Starzan	Posted - 2004.04.26 21:43:00 - [84] i vote AYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anubies Hazas	Posted - 2004.04.27 04:46:00 - [85] i want this too :) im no programer, but is it really that difficult to do this?
Telnen Kahfir	Posted - 2004.04.27 06:44:00 - [86] Yeah, I'm for it too. But I wouldn't be surprised if we never see this get implemented. "Fly beyond the reaches of your own expectations. There you gain a measure of satisfaction." -- Jacques Altron, Gallente Philosopher
Gutharius	Posted - 2004.04.27 12:31:00 - [87] HEAR! HEAR! I have been wanting this since day one!!! (3days ago... :-) ) Being able to switch skills via the website and queue them up is an EXCELLENT IDEA!!!!!
Gutharius	Posted - 2004.04.27 13:34:00 - [88] Edited by: Gutharius on 27/04/2004 16:01:19 Edited by: Gutharius on 27/04/2004 14:23:05 Edited by: Gutharius on 27/04/2004 14:09:06 Originally by: Anubies Hazas i want this too :) im no programer, but is it really that difficult to do this? As for as web enabling anything, Eve is after all, on the hosting side, a huge relational database which simply holds the users data and responds to requests from the client for such data. In today's world there are very few modern databases which do not have the ability to link to a website in some fasion of manner, except for custom in home built ones. As far as Queueing goes an average first year C++ college programmer could write an object oriented C++ queue in a few hours. So there has to be some good reason, other than CCP wanting to be a complete pain in the subscriber's ass or plain stupidity and ignorance (not that I am ruling that one out mind you), why they would not and really have not already done this! If we look at the sheer volume of posts from people wanting this, versus the relative number, er rather lack of, people who can come up with good arguments against this it should be clear this is in the interests of keeping the gaming spirit alive. (By good argument i mean arguments which can stand up to basic common sense) After all, my frustration with having to spend hours attached to Earth and Beyond just to gain a few levels was one of the reasons I quit playing the game! A game should be fun and draw you in and keep you attached to it. EVE should not be frustrating, agnozing, or painful (unless you as a user did something stupid and got your ass tweaked) EVE should be fun and entertaining! Which is the main reason anyone would buy a game in the first place. Who in their right mind would buy a game which they know will cause them endless amounts of pain, suffering, and frustration without any real enjoyment. After all if i want pain, suffering, and frustration all i have to do is walk outside my front door! I play EVE because I think it is fun! I play EVE because I like to explore its universe because I have seen my own and it is too frustrating to deal with! CCP WE NEED YOUR INPUT ON THIS!!! PLEASE RESPOND!
Cameron Hatch	Posted - 2004.04.27 15:52:00 - [89] Great idea! I'm for it as well.
Darsk'hul	Posted - 2004.04.27 16:11:00 - [90] u got my vote too __________ No more CEO of Placid Partners Inc. Contact for this corp is now Yilo. Freelancer at Lost Order
Benedictus Setaro	Posted - 2004.04.28 12:55:00 - [91] Edited by: Benedictus Setaro on 28/04/2004 12:57:59 And my vote too, for what it's worth. Though if for some reason web-based training wouldn't be added, along with queuing niether, could CCP at least make it, as some people above have said, that once you finish learning a level of a skill, you automatically learn the next level of the same skill, only stopping once you get to Lv 5. ---------------------------------------- Space-Slacker
amego	Posted - 2004.04.28 13:07:00 - [92] you got my support altho i dont have the problem but would be great as a back up if the old technical difficulties reared their ugly heads as they so ever increasingly often do and at the end of the day eve does belong to the players so i would support their right to help or suggest improvements which benefit the unfortunates who have to graft for a living and therefore miss out on aspects such as training while at work...cos we all know its all about the skills
Oscar Fedora	Posted - 2004.04.28 20:57:00 - [93] i just startet playing and this was the first thing i'm missing its a very good idea..please make it so
Ryan Hart	Posted - 2004.04.28 21:33:00 - [94] Edited by: Ryan Hart on 28/04/2004 21:37:57 This is an awesome idea! I have thought of this before, but I never got around to posting it on the forums. Right now I am a student (k-12), and I don't always (actually never) have access to my skill training from the school computers. This would help me so I can set skills like during a break or my lunch. ------------------------- Personally I would like the idea of having a queue for skills, but that also would encourage people to not lo in as much and load up their queue and then leave for a long time. The game would be alot more empty and vacant. In this perspective, I do not agree.
General Stargazer	Posted - 2004.04.29 08:52:00 - [95] I agree to This web based program, it is a good idea if someones pc crashs and they are unable to log on, it means that they can continue there skill training at another external source without losing out on skill training whilst there PC is repaired. 2 thumbs up here
Moah	Posted - 2004.04.29 11:48:00 - [96] Originally by: Discorporation Eve is not about managing your character remotely from a site, it is logging in and doing your stuff that counts. If you want to lose as little skillpoints as possible, plan ahead. Web-training is never going to happen, live with it. 100% agree... In the most MMO(R)PGS you couldnt even view your character stats on a website... Fancy.
Vance Black	Posted - 2004.04.29 15:57:00 - [97] like many that have posted to this thread i cant belive that ccp havent stuck train skill to their website especially when u can see whats training at the moment. and again i had thought about a skill queue to especially when on holiday at work etc, games like civilisation 3 have a build queue so why can we to have a queue? glad someone posted this thread....note to self make sure the next 5 page thread is urs --------------------------------- Back from the Dead never forgotten
Alexi Romanov	Posted - 2004.05.04 01:33:00 - [98] If there was a skill automation implementation, all someone would have to do is: 1. Find an ISK-rich friend 2. Start your skill list 3. Wait about 3-4 months 4. Have a pretty good character, without logging in once! Now, the web-based thing is a pretty good idea, my motherboard fried and while I'm waiting for my new ASUS to come, I could be training skills but... NO! Why should I sign something that isn't mine?
Alexi Romanov	Posted - 2004.05.04 01:37:00 - [99] Well, I'm sure there's a reason why CCP hasn't added web-based skill training (I mean, you can already see all your skills and how much time is left for your current in-training in the EVE-Insider). Why? because if you didn't need to login ever, they wouldn't be breaking any 1*k barriers Why should I sign something that isn't mine?
Odaroff	Posted - 2004.05.12 02:52:00 - [100] I find it very disturbing that CCP has not said one single word in this thread, in their own forums, about this topic.
YuuKnow	Posted - 2004.05.12 03:17:00 - [101] I don't like it, I say NAY.
TaNnEnBaUm	Posted - 2004.05.12 08:01:00 - [102] You didn't searched enough! I just posted it here 2 days ago But it's my speech!!! I will skill at work !!!! ~peace~ TaNnEnBaUm
CrashOverride	Posted - 2004.05.12 10:46:00 - [103] I beleive this is a very good idea considering the fact that everyone doesnt have time to get home, turn on the game, change skills. Most of the time people dont even have the time to get home. A lot of people actually work most of the day, therefore wasting the time inbetween skills. We are allowed to view our skills, see whats training, and how much time left until its done. So why not allow us to change the skill training itself. It would be a lot simpler to incorperate this into the game rather then incorperate my "Study Guide" Skill suggestion. Also, to YK, explain yourself, why dont you like it? the fact that you dont like it leaves me to beleive your young and have all the time in the world to be on the computer. _____________________________________________________ Life Is Only 9 Months Long, Everything After That Is Death.
Omos	Posted - 2005.05.12 15:33:00 - [104] I agree, this needs implementing badly. Some way other then the client to change skills being trained is good, The website seems the most logical. The queue idea is nice but could be exploited I guess but who cares... PS if this looks like a bump well...it is...
Roger Dodger	Posted - 2005.05.12 16:10:00 - [105] I would kill a man for this feature. I often have to go days without being able to train skills because I'm not near my home PC, and I'm not exactly allowed to install EVE at work. All the arguments against web-based skill training so far are completely irrelevant, because I'm UNABLE TO LOG IN, that's why I want web-based skill training. ---- Proud member of the SinBin Fan Club
Karl Borhman	Posted - 2005.05.12 16:41:00 - [106] Web based skill training would make character farming a lot easier. I'm not saying everyone would do it. They probably wouldn't. Lord knows there are times I'd like to have been able to log at work and change my skill training. Unfortunately, for every 10 people that play this game legitimately there is one that just wants to milk the crap out of it. After the first couple of months, setting a longer skill training isn't a big deal. So if you go out of town (which I do frequently) training industrial 5 at 20 days isn't really a problem per se. __________________________________ Mining ... the other white meat. __________________________________
Elieza	Posted - 2005.05.12 20:48:00 - [107] Talk about dragging up the bottom of the board...! Anyway, I vote against this. My reasons are just that I think you should be in game in order to alter the game universe. In other words: I have no real reason, I just don't really support the idea.
Benilopax	Posted - 2005.05.13 03:05:00 - [108] Im gonna put my name on this good idea guys!
Blackacez	Posted - 2005.06.03 11:26:00 - [109] I have been a member for almost two months on eve and I think it is an amazing game. I agree with the comments posted here as i would love to train my character at work but cannot and a web based system to do that would be great. However I cannot believe that CCP has not responded that any of these 30 or so comments to let everyone know what they think and what they will do as it seems almost 95% of the posts here are asking for this addition. CCP will you not even respond to these questions...Why have a discussion board when the owner doesnt even respond. or do they not even realise users are asking for this feature?
Aina Stormborn	Posted - 2005.06.03 13:11:00 - [110] This would be a useless feature. To alter the game, log in. No chance to login, no gaming experience. Anyway, why care about "a lost day, week" whatever. It¦s just a game!!
IZON	Posted - 2005.06.03 14:08:00 - [111] This is not a new idea, it's as old as EVE and has been thrashed out in many threads. THE DEVS WONT DO IT - WHY? I REALLY DON'T KNOW. "...master! there's a guy in the south village called IZON, he is a Ninja!"
Periculum	Posted - 2005.06.05 21:41:00 - [112] you got my vote too!
Kaemonn	Posted - 2005.06.06 03:14:00 - [113] This has been over done, and its an old post. CCP wants people to play the game. The Devs have said this many many times. It will never ever ever ever happen.

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