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Minyana	Posted - 2008.02.16 01:48:00 - [1] I just offered to help a guy named Saber Stuner on a lvl4 mission. Formed a fleet with him and warped to him. One minute later i find myself a ransom, a ship and a pod poorer, as his friends waiting there kick my butt. How come this kind of tactic, based upon other peoples good will even exist?! Lesson: Don't ever help people. 2008.02.16 01:19:00 Victim: Minyana Alliance: NONE Corp: Ministry of War Destroyed: Abaddon System: Dodixie Security: 0.9 Damage Taken: 43047 Involved parties: Name: Lynisle (laid the final blow) Security: 1.3 Alliance: NONE Corp: Out-Rage Ship: Abaddon Weapon: Warrior II Damage Done: 21809 Name: Pak Seongsu Security: -2.0 Alliance: NONE Corp: Out-Rage Ship: Megathron Weapon: Megathron Damage Done: 10512 Name: ALPHA LEET Security: -0.2 Alliance: NONE Corp: Out-Rage Ship: Deimos Weapon: Deimos Damage Done: 9606 Name: Berackus Security: -2.2 Alliance: NONE Corp: Out-Rage Ship: Rifter Weapon: Rifter Damage Done: 1120 Destroyed items: Berserker TP-900 (Drone Bay) Mega Pulse Laser II, Qty: 4 Radio L, Qty: 3 (Cargo) Multifrequency L, Qty: 4 Infrared L, Qty: 8 (Cargo) Cap Recharger II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Capacitor Control Circuit I, Qty: 3 Dropped items: Damage Control II Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I, Qty: 2 LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Mega Pulse Laser II, Qty: 4 Radio L, Qty: 5 (Cargo) Type-D Power Core Modification: Capacitor Power Relay Multifrequency L, Qty: 4 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Cap Recharger II, Qty: 2 Berserker SW-900, Qty: 2 (Drone Bay) Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
PraetorNZ The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.02.16 01:51:00 - [2] LOL awesome
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.02.16 01:53:00 - [3] Lllloftied ! Berserker TP-900 Originally by: ivan draco we didnt want your post anyway
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2008.02.16 01:55:00 - [4] I really wish these SHOCKING EXPOSE! posts would get deleted
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.02.16 01:55:00 - [5] When you formed a fleet with him, there was a warning popup that said that by accepting him into the fleet, anyone he is at war with can fire on you. That popup would also list the corporations he may be at war with. You should have checked the local chat for anyone in the listed corporations to make sure. Sorry. ---------------- Tarminic - 32 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.3
Val Vympel Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.02.16 02:00:00 - [6] There are many "turds" in EVE,and you just happened to step on one. Don't let this betrayal sour you. Cheers
Uzuness Caldari stone grave haulage PROBABLE CAUSE	Posted - 2008.02.16 02:01:00 - [7] This is why I stopped talking in local. Sorry it happened to you. Hope you get revenge soon.
Richard Phallus	Posted - 2008.02.16 02:03:00 - [8] Originally by: Minyana Lesson: Don't ever help people. Well at least you learned something from the event. -- For heresy against CCP by posting images of the sacrificial goat Zulupark you are banished for two weeks - Wrangler
Kyra Felann Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2008.02.16 03:11:00 - [9] Your point?
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.02.16 03:16:00 - [10] Simple solution: Fly there in a disposable t1 frig with a ship scanner.
Vikarion Caldari United Heavens	Posted - 2008.02.16 05:00:00 - [11] Heh, I had this happen to me fairly recently. It's a pretty clever scam, in that it preys on the goodwill of others to kill them. EvE is a dark, harsh, cruel place where you have to be powerful and wealthy if you want to be "nice" without risking everything you own. Sorry, but that's the way it is. The fact is, you should never help anyone you don't implicitly trust with your ship and your pod. Never join a fleet with anyone not in your corp...some people will tell you ways to make it "safe", but fleets are not safe. Period. So, pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and go refit a new ship, and maybe hire some mercs on the guys if you need retribution. It's not the end of the world, although it feels like it now. --------
Diciamin Hand Of Muritor	Posted - 2008.02.16 05:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Tarminic When you formed a fleet with him, there was a warning popup that said that by accepting him into the fleet, anyone he is at war with can fire on you. That popup would also list the corporations he may be at war with. You should have checked the local chat for anyone in the listed corporations to make sure. That's not always the case. You don't get the "Dodgy" warning, listing all wars, if the original inviter is clean as a whistle (and un-ganged, at time of invite). You'll notice Saber Stuner is not on the killmail... the one the OP initially joined up to aid. Saber was most likely solo (at that time), invited the OP (who received no warning)... then when OP is mid-warp to Saber, invites all the crowd of uglies. You don't get "dodgy" warnings if you're already in the gang, when new members join. Not sayin' it doesn't suck when it happens... just sayin' it is completely possible to join an ambush gang unawares, and with no warning. _______ The fire burns bright!
Earl Black	Posted - 2008.02.16 07:55:00 - [13] Please pay tribute to the pilot who refined this to an art form, in a short time he pulled this trick many times. lofty29 Love him or hate him, he's a legend in his own lunchtime
Erin Xaelan Forging Industries	Posted - 2008.02.16 07:56:00 - [14] The sadness I see in this is that pirates ask for a ransom to spare your life...then kill you anyway... Doesn't seem very pirate-ish to me >.> Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2008.02.16 08:08:00 - [15] Originally by: Erin Xaelan The sadness I see in this is that pirates ask for a ransom to spare your life...then kill you anyway... Doesn't seem very pirate-ish to me >.> Pirates that actually deserve that name don't have to stoop to these 'tactics' to make their epeen explode. Gang sploiters and suicide gankers, both the same ilk. They're about the lowliest form of life to be found in EVE, ranking even below Goons. This is why I always have autoreject on when operating in highsec. And the real funny thing is, the people condoning these actions, which kinda encourage people into misrust and rather staying on their own, then turn around and harp about how this is a multiplayer game and you should be interacting with others when they whine about solo L4 runners in a different thread... There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Amberly Coteaz Amarr Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.02.16 08:13:00 - [16] The real tragedy is not the ship loss but the fact that they went to all that trouble for a plain t2 fit Abbadon. Where are the deadspace hardeners? Officer Damage mods? Hell even faction gear would do, somewhere lofty is crying over having his name associated with this poor mans high sec gank If you find yourself in a fair fight, something has gone wrong
Vaal Erit	Posted - 2008.02.16 08:41:00 - [17] Dear Minyana, Please post this in Crime & Punishment. I'm sure the morally upstanding citizens of eve will be outraged by this in that section of the forum. giggle
Frug True Foundation R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.02.16 08:46:00 - [18] Hi. My name is Eve Online and I'm not a nice guy. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Firkragg PREDATORS OF DESTRUCTION	Posted - 2008.02.16 12:14:00 - [19] Originally by: Frug Hi. My name is Eve Online and I'm not a nice guy. And yet i cant resist the urge to bury myself inside you at least once a day
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.16 12:17:00 - [20] Edited by: Grimpak on 16/02/2008 12:17:42 rule n¦1 of Grimpaks Guideline book of EVE: TRUST NOONE. if I posted the guideline book in the forums, it would be a huge success. --- planetary interaction idea!
Nova Fox	Posted - 2008.02.16 12:17:00 - [21] Next time ask him to make you gang lead and kick anybody else out of the gang.
Karma Eve University	Posted - 2008.02.16 12:25:00 - [22] trust, completely optional... but discouraged.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.02.16 12:49:00 - [23] Edited by: Qui Shon on 16/02/2008 12:52:44 What's with all the scum infesting Gen pop? Back to C & P with you! Shoo! Anyway, this sort of mechanic probably exists because Eve's lead(?) developer is the type of person who wants, feels compelled, to throw grenades at noobs, if that ever becomes possible in internet walking, I mean Ambulation. That's what I read in some devblog or some such. In other words, this loophole in gang mechanics exists because the makers of this game want such loopholes to exist. It's been around for so long it cannot be considered an oversight, and thus it's WaD. Even if I think it's ridiculous.
Kyoto Luyi MX3 Development Zzz	Posted - 2008.02.16 13:48:00 - [24] If you do get the urge to 'help' any more 'poor players', accept the invite, click on 'warp to member', wait for the warp to activate, click on 'leave fleet'... If they're stupid enough to still fire on you, you get to see concord wtfpwn them :)
Thorexion Lynch Gallente Shadows of Valor	Posted - 2008.02.16 14:03:00 - [25] OFFS!!! Clearly people that get caught by this "tactic" are the ones that only run to the forums when THEY need something (or to whine exibit A: Le OP). This "kill the carebear****s" tactic has been poppin up alot in the last few weeks because dont like to listen and they CLEARLY dont know how to leave gang when being locked.... takes at least 5 seconds to lock a battleship (in another battleship i think, dont quote me it) so thats 5 seconds PLUS those 2 seconds from when the warp bubble is about to collapse......so in total around 7 seconds (1337 math skills yo) to right click and leave the frakkin' fleet.. OR even better when the other dude warps you, leave the fleet that way if it aint a trap just frakkin join up again i mean REALLY, some of the player base of this game is that of two frakkin dead frogs!!!
Cinbad Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.02.16 14:12:00 - [26] Originally by: Thorexion Lynch OFFS!!! Clearly people that get caught by this "tactic" are the ones that only run to the forums when THEY need something (or to whine exibit A: Le OP). This "kill the carebear****s" tactic has been poppin up alot in the last few weeks because dont like to listen and they CLEARLY dont know how to leave gang when being locked.... takes at least 5 seconds to lock a battleship (in another battleship i think, dont quote me it) so thats 5 seconds PLUS those 2 seconds from when the warp bubble is about to collapse......so in total around 7 seconds (1337 math skills yo) to right click and leave the frakkin' fleet.. OR even better when the other dude warps you, leave the fleet that way if it aint a trap just frakkin join up again i mean REALLY, some of the player base of this game is that of two frakkin dead frogs!!! Is there anyone around that can translate this gibberish?
4rc4ng3L Gallente C R Y O	Posted - 2008.02.16 14:13:00 - [27] ........i for one, am SHOCKED, SHOCKED TO MY VERY CORE! ------------------------------------------ - To Jumanji, or not to Jumanji...... -
Elles D Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.02.16 14:19:00 - [28] We call this being loftied. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Thorexion Lynch Gallente Shadows of Valor	Posted - 2008.02.16 14:26:00 - [29] Originally by: Cinbad Is there anyone around that can translate this gibberish? Quiet you!
Zoe Scirocco	Posted - 2008.02.16 15:18:00 - [30] Reading the way you write your posts, I fully understand why you got banned... Anyway, someone had to learn the hard way about those low-life ambushers... Hope someone will help him get his revenge!
Bryg Philomena Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2008.02.16 15:34:00 - [31] its the losers that kill t2 fit ships that I hate... Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
Doonoo Boonoo Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.16 15:50:00 - [32] This is an old trick. Either make the gang yourself or don't accept invites from people you don't know. fyi Lofty was not the inventor of this.
Vikarion Caldari United Heavens	Posted - 2008.02.16 16:02:00 - [33] Oddly enough, they don't have to invite someone else into the fleet. I formed a fleet with a guy, and no one else joined it that I saw, and I still got pew-pewed. I also left the fleet as soon as I realized what was happening, but they still killed me with no Concordokken. So, because there are so many ways to exploit the fleet/war mechanics, the only safe way to deal with this is to refuse to join a fleet. --------
Thommy	Posted - 2008.02.16 16:20:00 - [34] Edited by: Thommy on 16/02/2008 16:23:26 If you did not fire an shot on them whatsoever you should have killrights on them if im not mistaken. That is unless wardec fleet tricks wont hand out killrights. Also i have not read all followup posts but like have been said many times you cant always know 100% sure this trick is going to be pulled on you because of the following situation: - Char A (lets call him bait mission runner without negative status). - Char A puts out an call for people to help him on mission. - At this point you join in. - In the join fleet is an standard text with no confronting warning about an wardec (although im not sure anymore what the exact standard text is). - Player would think its ok and joins fleet. - From this point Char B and Char C join in who are in war with each other. - Original fleet members are not warned about these joining the fleet nor that they are in war with each other, however duo to wardec & altered fleet mechanics i believe you will get an 15 minute flag at this point (so if your at this point in warp and notice suddenly 1, 2 or even more guys join its probably to late allready, add fleet notification lag and your sure not to know before its to late). - Ship is destroyed, if you stay in that fleet so will your pod. Personally i would say these 2 things "whats the counter?" and "can i get them back for it?". Counter is obvious dont join with strangers unless you control the fleet yourself or you are really sure you can trust them other then that if you find yourself makeing the mistake of still joining in on it and warping i think atleast once in warp there is little you can do. For the 2nd one im not sure you can but id make good use of the killrights . Edit: btw worse is when they just keep spamming you with fleet invites hopeing you accidently join it when your occupied with other tasks when in space. Guide \| Patch day
Thorexion Lynch Gallente Shadows of Valor	Posted - 2008.02.16 17:22:00 - [35] Edited by: Thorexion Lynch on 16/02/2008 17:22:52 Originally by: Zoe Scirocco Reading the way you write your posts, I fully understand why you got banned... More of a suspension.....was for callin someone a nerd apperantly thats frowned upon who knew eh? anyway my points was that all ya gotta do is leave the god dam gang while in mid warp, then if it's all gravey and turns out you arent gonna get royally f**ked by a 1337 high sec piwate just reform the gang. There's been posts just like this one poppin up on the forums alot in the last few weeks, doesnt take much to read em and take the advice of the repliers. That way there's less posts like this and evertually people stop getting caught by this exploit.
Rabbitgod Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.02.16 18:04:00 - [36] The lesson here, and fyi it's an oldie but a goodie. -=DO NOT EXCEPT GANG INVITES FROM STRANGERS=-
William Darkk Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.02.16 18:23:00 - [37] Edited by: William Darkk on 16/02/2008 18:23:14 Originally by: Thommy Personally i would say these 2 things "whats the counter?" and "can i get them back for it?". Counter is obvious dont join with strangers unless you control the fleet yourself or you are really sure you can trust them other then that if you find yourself makeing the mistake of still joining in on it and warping i think atleast once in warp there is little you can do. There's also a version where they can still do it if you form the gang. I think it involves the bait changing what corp he's in. IMO this should be considered an exploit unless the warning popup appears. If you say "yes" when it asks you if you want to do something risky it's your own fault, but somebody who doesn't know about this gets no warning. -------------------------------------------------- <3 my Drones
000Hunter000 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.02.16 18:28:00 - [38] Edited by: 000Hunter000 on 16/02/2008 18:29:57 Yeah this tactic does suck but u could have taken a few easy steps to avoid it. Could have checked if the guy was at war, accept him into your fleet (u get the warning message which shows if the guy is at war), don't let him accept u in his. And last but not least, EVE is a cold harsh place, Don't help people u do not know or trust. Quote: There's also a version where they can still do it if you form the gang. I think it involves the bait changing what corp he's in. I thought u could not change corp in space? but this should definitly be considered an exploit, and the easiest way to fix it is to make it impossible to switch corps while ur in a gang. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Stryker Vanguard Nice Corp	Posted - 2008.02.16 18:37:00 - [39] Originally by: Val Vympel There are many "turds" in EVE This. Eve is full of the scum of the earth that was thrown out of other games for being *******s, scamming and doing other things which are considered immoral by most. Get out while you still can. ---SIG HERE--- Why am I still here? I'm an addict.
Biirk	Posted - 2008.02.16 20:12:00 - [40] I dissagree that this is heartless of CCP. Its more like an open 'sand box'. And more importantly so is 'R/L' Much better to get 'taken' here, and lose ISK. Than to get taken in R/L by 'Deposed Nigerian Nobility', or worse. And lose Real Life Money, resources, health, life. If we could Ban these things in 'R/L', then it could further to make Eve more 'realistic'. _______ All Our Base Are Belong To Them
Vikarion Caldari United Heavens	Posted - 2008.02.16 20:30:00 - [41] Actually, this is what happened to me: I made the fleet. The guy had a waiting application to join a shell corp at war with his buddies' corp. The guy warped us to his buddies They blew up my ship. This way, the target never gets a warning, and thinks he's safe because no one else has joined the fleet. Unlike the regular lofty trick, this one smacks a bit more of "exploit" because it uses corporation mechanics to avoid the warning. However, I'm still pretty sure that it is perfectly legal, so I would advise not petitioning it. Just don't help strangers. --------
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.16 20:33:00 - [42] Edited by: lofty29 on 16/02/2008 20:33:40 Real men use 1 dominix to do it They're idiots tho. The more you do it, the more people know about it, so it's only profitable to hit the really pricey targets. Durr Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo fyi Lofty was not the inventor of this. And noone said I invented it. I just made it famous! 族---族 Latest Video : Relentless
Cerishe	Posted - 2008.02.16 20:51:00 - [43] The only thing famous about you, Lofty, is the size of your fat head. I've never heard anyone talk of Eve outside the game and these boards, you're a legend of your own mind ..you slope brow'd pond scum. You fit the level of intellectual inventiveness of a chimp that steal's a banana, "..hey, it's a banana!" Eat it, Moriarity.
Spectre80 Caldari The Knights Templar Pure.	Posted - 2008.02.16 20:58:00 - [44] There is lots off *******s in eve sadly.. only thing is not to trust anyone. like i have said before. there is no honor in eve.
Billy Sastard Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.	Posted - 2008.02.16 21:08:00 - [45] Originally by: Minyana I just offered to help a guy named Saber Stuner on a lvl4 mission. Formed a fleet with him and warped to him. One minute later i find myself a ransom, a ship and a pod poorer, as his friends waiting there kick my butt. How come this kind of tactic, based upon other peoples good will even exist?! Lesson: Don't ever help people. ... #1. Look for similar posts before making a new one and... #2 LOL!!! This kind of stuff is the main reason im still even playing eve! Being nice in EVE... It just doesn't pay -=^=-
Billy Sastard Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.	Posted - 2008.02.16 21:10:00 - [46] Originally by: Cerishe The only thing famous about you, Lofty, is the size of your fat head. I've never heard anyone talk of Eve outside the game and these boards, you're a legend of your own mind ..you slope brow'd pond scum. You fit the level of intellectual inventiveness of a chimp that steal's a banana, "..hey, it's a banana!" Eat it, Moriarity. This should warrant some form of moderation... This is a blatant personal attack. -=^=-
Biirk	Posted - 2008.02.16 21:54:00 - [47] This is a 'sand box' type of deal. Where people can say stuff and junk. This may help you prepare for 'R/L'. In which you mayt recieve blatant personal attacks from Deposed Nigerian Nobility. (Or Worse!) _______ All Our Base Are Belong To Them
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Spaceways	Posted - 2008.02.17 02:12:00 - [48] Don't fly anything you can't afford to lose.
EglantinFinfleur R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2008.02.17 02:55:00 - [49] Pathetic tactic. Sad thing that some people don't take this game seriously and use this kind of trick (emotional leverage), to obtain ingame victory. Preying on others' goodwill has more to do with taking advantage of a gimmick in general gaming social behavior -gamers help each other in mmorpgs,in pve-, than playing well, good fittings, good tactical understanding of the situation etc. This is garbage and should not happen in such a game as Eve that has excellent pvp-oriented gameplay.
Cadde Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.17 07:54:00 - [50] Edited by: Cadde on 17/02/2008 07:55:15 If it was me i would not accept anything other than a bookmark and then i would man a shuttle and warp in WITHOUT being in a fleet. I find it hard to believe they would suicide gank a shuttle just so they can ransom you for some implants. But on the other hand, like everybody else said... TRUST NO ONE AND NEVER FLY ANYTHING YOU CANT AFFORD TO LOSE OR ARE WILLING TO RISK FOR A JUICY REWARD! (And that reward hardly lies in doing a LVL 4 mission for someone else if you can do it alone!) Cheers! Edit: Damn typo --------------- Die ferret!
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.02.17 09:06:00 - [51] Originally by: Cadde TRUST NO ONE AND NEVER FLY ANYTHING YOU CANT AFFORD TO LOSE OR ARE WILLING TO RISK FOR A JUICY REWARD! (And that reward hardly lies in doing a LVL 4 mission for someone else if you can do it alone!) Cheers! And let the turds dictate not only how I play, but how I think? Screw that. I'll take precautions, like using a cheap T2 fit Domi or Raven, but I'll keep helping people when i feel like it. And I don't help people for a reward, what kind of talk is that?
Myyona Minmatar Thukker Mix	Posted - 2008.02.17 09:41:00 - [52] Originally by: Kyoto Luyi If you do get the urge to 'help' any more 'poor players', accept the invite, click on 'warp to member', wait for the warp to activate, click on 'leave fleet'... If they're stupid enough to still fire on you, you get to see concord wtfpwn them :) \me notes down. Simple and brilliant solution.
Arman Rhey The Riot Formation	Posted - 2008.02.17 10:13:00 - [53] Its an Out-rage !!! Sorry. Couldnt resist.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.02.17 10:19:00 - [54] Originally by: Richard Phallus Originally by: Minyana Lesson: Don't ever help people. Well at least you learned something from the event. You can help people,you just need to learn how or help them with cheapo ships...There are many ways to cover your arse,however one of them isnt posting on the forums. This is what happens when a kestrel with thermal missiles declares war on earth
Pabs Sco Blue Screen of Death Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.02.17 10:25:00 - [55] lol it still amazes me that people find this shocking Face it Eve is not "Kitty onine". No sacrifice....no victory! Blue Screen of Death Corp
Crazyhate	Posted - 2008.02.17 11:22:00 - [56] Take the million away from the millionaire and yet, watch him make it back. Lesson learned, same as its ok to war dec a corp of newbies. Ok or not ok, that is the truth of this mmo. I have learned eve is a cruel place..........if you let it be. Chalk it up as one you wont fall for again and rebuild. Just my 2 cents.
Pan Crastus Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.17 11:40:00 - [57] This is a stupid old scam. CCP could fix this by simply disallowing warring parties to be invited to a gang when people who weren't vulnerable to them previously are already in it. It's not hard, but CCP chose to grief their newer players like this and keep this scam in the game. But hey, they spend a lot of money on advertising to bring in new players to replace those who were disappointed with the dodgy game mechanics and left. EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...

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