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TornSoul
BIG
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.02.28 19:16:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Denton Juutan
This site doesnt even have the right teams. I think the UCAM guys should file a discrimination lawsuit, BIG should have their CONCORD gaming license revoked 
I've been waiting for those to be decided before starting to change them - only to perhaps have to change them *again* 
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TornSoul
BIG
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.02.28 19:19:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Jeetah
Quote:
If you are the only one making a particular bet, you will win what everyone else have wagered (on that particular bet type) minus a 10% admin fee
theoretically, if i wager 25b in a given type bet, and i'm the only winner, and let say the counterbets total is 10m, will i get 9m + my 25b, or 9m only (cause that's how it reads)?
The wording is always difficult.. Getting it (100%) precise while avoiding "lawyer speak" is quite hard...
"9m + my 25b" is ofc the (common sense) correct amount you'll be paid back.
All depends what you put in the word "win" in this case...
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TornSoul
BIG
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.02.28 19:39:00 -
[33]
Have to add this somewhere so here goes...
Thank you ISD, for the plug.
The text itself is simply mindblowingly professionally written.
Thank you very much for that :kiss:
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Intigo
Amarr
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.02.29 05:22:00 -
[34]
A quick bump since this is your last chance to get early bets in!
Get to it guys, all the more fun if there's more people participating.
Remember, early entry bets untill 15.00 GMT today. Just under 8 hours to go.
(I'm plugging it because I want more ISK in the pot for my own bets. :D)
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ISD Tsuki Kiyuu
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2008.02.29 06:10:00 -
[35]
You're very welcome Torn, apologies we didn't get to it sooner. I hope it turns out to be a success. 
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PaRaZiTuRL
Amarr
modro
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.02.29 07:07:00 -
[36]
Am i actually the only one that bet on "late entry" by mistake ?
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Malar
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2008.02.29 09:39:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Malar on 29/02/2008 09:41:07
Edited by: Malar on 29/02/2008 09:40:32
Originally by: Jeetah
Quote:
If you are the only one making a particular bet, you will win what everyone else have wagered (on that particular bet type) minus a 10% admin fee
theoretically, if i wager 25b in a given type bet, and i'm the only winner, and let say the counterbets total is 10m, will i get 9m + my 25b, or 9m only (cause that's how it reads)?
actually, you will get 10m - 10% (9m) + your 25b - 10% (22.5b).
At least thats my understanding of it.
Generally it is not worth betting more than 10 times the total worth of bets in the pool. As there is no chance for you to win that way.
say the total amount of bets is 10m, and you bet 100m.
You will get 10-10% + 100-10% = 99m in the end, given you are the only one winning.
This whoe betting scheme is a bit arkward to be honest. The odds are just pointless and misleading. It is a simple pot system, where those winning share the money in the pot amongst themselves based on the ammount they entered the pot with. So the only money you can actually 'win' is the money someone loses.
The only bets that makes sense in my opinion is the one about who might win the tournament, or the one about semi finalists.. as those have a rather limited set of potential winning tips. (like 1 and 4 only) Making it likely that enough people will 'lose' their bets for winnings to be worth.
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Life Machine
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.02.29 10:44:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Life Machine on 29/02/2008 10:44:28
The close time for betting is in EVE time, right?...don't wanna be sending in money for a bet and then it being closed and losing money like that.
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools
Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2008.02.29 10:54:00 -
[39]
Your "hotline" link on the main page goes to the thread you made for betting on the fourth tournament.
MP
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:16:00 -
[40]
A large number of bets that I made quite a while ago have not yet shown up on the Overview page, yet I am certain I entered the info portion correctly. Can you please check your logs? Or perhaps the script to update that page hasn't run yet?
Thanks,
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Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
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Blazde
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:22:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Malar
Edited by: Malar on 29/02/2008 09:41:07
Edited by: Malar on 29/02/2008 09:40:32
Originally by: Jeetah
Quote:
If you are the only one making a particular bet, you will win what everyone else have wagered (on that particular bet type) minus a 10% admin fee
theoretically, if i wager 25b in a given type bet, and i'm the only winner, and let say the counterbets total is 10m, will i get 9m + my 25b, or 9m only (cause that's how it reads)?
actually, you will get 10m - 10% (9m) + your 25b - 10% (22.5b).
I hope not. The web page is a bit contradictory, the example on "Summary of all bets" page implies the admin fee applies to all isk bet but it's a bit vague. But the main page as well as Tornsoul's post above is clear, the admin fee is only taken from the losing bets pool before it's distributed to winners. It doesn't make sense to do it any other way otherwised winning bettors could easily get back less than their stake in some bet types.
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Hey You
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.29 16:34:00 -
[42]
so if odds for certain alliance are 20.00 and i bet 10 mill does that mean im getting 200 if that team score overall win?
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.02.29 18:37:00 -
[43]
update betting overview !!
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Shandas
Gallente
Purple Squirrel of Doom Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.29 19:02:00 -
[44]
Don't forget to figure the odds into the mix before deducting the 10% fee.
you bet 110mil and odds finish at 2 to 1 you win 220mil - 10% which leave you with 198mil...
Copied off the bets page
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Odds of 1.23 means that you'll get back 1.23M ISK if you've bet 1M ISK.
This is *before* the 10% admin fee. So in reality you'd get 1.107M ISK (1.23M ISK - (10% of 1.23M ISK))
So your overall profit would be 107K ISK in this case
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.29 22:10:00 -
[45]
*bump* for BIG love
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you can understand our goal, disagree with our solution and offer a solution that is equal or better your opinion has a better chance of being heard...
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acompton
Dragons Of Redemption
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.29 22:33:00 -
[46]
Edited by: acompton on 29/02/2008 22:33:56
Can I put in a real screwed-up bet because I am a dense and then get mad, blame you, and war-dec Ka-tet?
Oh wait, DHB beat me to it last year 
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Trzzbk
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.01 02:00:00 -
[47]
Damn, we're not even a long shot!
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Darknesss
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.01 14:35:00 -
[48]
So, i sent you some isk nearly 24 hours ago, your website hasnt been updated in that time. Can you either confirm that this is still going ahead or like refund me. You should be watching the tournament to constantly update the site if you are running a service like this.
Dark
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Life Machine
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.03.01 14:48:00 -
[49]
I'm in the same boat as darknesss, sent more than half a billion ISK, and the site hasn't updated...when I know I sent it to the right person with the right code (I double checked today).
Please keep it updated to show our bets, or if its not happening refund us, cos I for one am getting a bit paranoid..
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Blazde
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.03.02 10:19:00 -
[50]
Tornsoul where are you  Wanna know what odds I'm getting...
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TornSoul
BIG
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.03.02 21:40:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Motivated Prophet
Your "hotline" link on the main page goes to the thread you made for betting on the fourth tournament.
MP
Whops - Copy/paste ftl. Fixed.
Thanks.
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I'll get back to the other questions (Havent had time to check yet - Been out for the weekend)
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.05 00:35:00 -
[52]
Why are all my bets missing ? I placed them before EVETV started broadcasting.....
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TornSoul
BIG
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.03.05 23:54:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Why are all my bets missing ? I placed them before EVETV started broadcasting.....
They where missing due to erherm a small typo on my part...
So valid bets made between 2008.02.28 15:00 and 2008.02.29 15:00 where flagged as entered too late.... (maybe you can guess the typo  )
This has now been fixed, so all bets should now be visible.
Furthermore, I've added a "receipt" page, where you can check your bets (very similiar to the one found on the BIG Lottery pages)
The AT5 receipt page only works ingame!
To get to the AT5 receipt page you'll, due to the (****poor) state of the IGB, need to use the following unwieldy link :
http://82.147.248.98/at5/MyBets.aspx
This link is now also visible on all AT5 pages (so it's easier to find - Rather than having to dig up this post again)
Have fun.
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Life Machine
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.03.06 01:39:00 -
[54]
wow, big thanks for getting back to everyone...and the receipts page is great (even if it is a little weird to look at). I just realised I have almst 200mil on Tyrrax winning his group...DAMMIT!
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.06 07:25:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Pilk on 06/03/2008 07:27:11
Can you please help me understand this? In fact, if you can just glance over all the transfers I've made, that'd be very helpful (or add a "total bet on bet type 1: xx million" or something). I'm having a hard time double-checking my bets, given that I made what might be loosely called "quite a few".
Edit: I'm also not thrilled about betting with outdated information (/me looks at the 250m+ bet on IAC in group D and says, "If only!"), but thank you for being open about it.
Thanks!,
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Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
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TornSoul
BIG
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.03.06 17:55:00 -
[56]
Edited by: TornSoul on 06/03/2008 17:55:49
Originally by: Life Machine
wow, big thanks for getting back to everyone...and the receipts page is great (even if it is a little weird to look at).
Yeah it is isnt it 
ASP.NET output, displays a bit funky in the IGB
(there *is* a "disclamer" about it at the top of the page )
Originally by: Pilk
Edited by: Pilk on 06/03/2008 07:27:11
Can you please help me understand this?
Thanks for posting.
I'd gotten the GridView hooked up to the wrong datasource for that particular table (GridView) - Fixed now.
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mothermoon2
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Posted - 2008.03.07 03:37:00 -
[57]
you can bet more than once right?
I sure hope sop I bet that two different alliances would make it to the semi finals
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Blazde
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.03.07 08:41:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Pilk
Edit: I'm also not thrilled about betting with outdated information (/me looks at the 250m+ bet on IAC in group D and says, "If only!"), but thank you for being open about it.
Gotta second this. I made all my bets as close as possible to the close and now find it was with info 24 hours out of date Nothing to be done about it, but it seriously messes up by betting mojo.
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Witless
ASSASSIN SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2008.03.07 21:12:00 -
[59]
Question about bet 5 group G. Seems that nobody picked United Legion to win group G. Where does the ISK go if United win? Refund, Second place, donation to BIG??
Kudo's TS & BIG for running this!
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Life Machine
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.03.07 22:49:00 -
[60]
I just lost soooo much money on IAC today...grrr
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