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Bared Bel'Medar
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Posted - 2004.04.04 22:43:00 -
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ok, I just thought of this, a devine epiphany from the
Ore gods Tenashi prays to. As a An Intensive Carebear, I want both combat and a rocks to hump. More than anything I'm sick of the constant squaballing about the ore distrabution after castor... yes CCP nerfed Stain, and they needed to. But they friggen small weak rubberbanded it. So my salution. CCP you should give the Stain and Curse Regions 5 systems with Bistot and Gniees each. Give the Capturable Station regions 10 systems with Arkanor and Crockite. Give all .1 and .0 systems Spodanium roids never totaling more that 10 roids a system. Really, I think since yu'll never get rid of the Bship numbers, you might as well make the costomer's happy, cause its about us, not you. Anyway, I also hate having to find safespots, so maybe you could do something with the autoscanner to make it useful again in that department?
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Shiwan Khan
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Posted - 2004.04.05 02:24:00 -
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Honestly this is not an argument. Stain used to have bistot IN systems with stations and Curse had to mine bistot 15+ jumps away and we never complained. FA and SA declaired war on us and we still mined those 15+ jumps to supply our PvP, we persevered. Now that we can get ahead in mins and crap and Stain has to haul 5 jumps (max) they complain. Personally i think this guy is proposing this idea so that Stain can try and rebound in .1 systems mining spod and Nerf us....
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eXeCt
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Posted - 2004.04.05 02:48:00 -
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Honestly this is not an argument. Stain used to have bistot IN systems with stations and Curse had to mine bistot 15+ jumps away and we never complained. FA and SA declaired war on us and we still mined those 15+ jumps to supply our PvP, we persevered. Now that we can get ahead in mins and crap and Stain has to haul 5 jumps (max) they complain. Personally i think this guy is proposing this idea so that Stain can try and rebound in .1 systems mining spod and Nerf us....
The reason you didn't complane was that you wasn't used to anything better. You found a home and mined what ore your home provided you with. 5 jumps? whatever  But as I was told.. Stain got the short end of the stick this time.. that might change next time..  |
Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.04.05 04:08:00 -
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you have got to be kidding me.
Listen you had ark 4 jumps from DSS, your home system. You've had bistot in same system as stations, you were at one time, the richest area in the game. Well cry me a river stain the fact that u got nerfed, cry me a 'effin river.
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Shiwan Khan
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Posted - 2004.04.05 05:22:00 -
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oh for sh1ts sake...If the roles were reversed and the present or the old Stain Alliance controlled the old curse where you had to mine 15+ jumps you would have folded and packed it up for empire much sooner. The plain and simple fact is you are too lazy to go out and get the necessary ore so you ***** and moan hoping that CCP will hear your cries and give you a sympathy vote because you are getting smashed by the Evil Curse Alliance. well go **** yourselves....
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Majin Buu
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Posted - 2004.04.05 05:38:00 -
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this isnt just about high end ores, its about all ore types. Yes the highend ores were removed from stain, but that was only bistot/crok which doesnt give half as much megacyte as ark does. This might seem strange to some people but low end ores also cannot be mined because of the current npc pirate situation. Before the castor patch we could mine all ore types in stain, which we did, now we have NPC BS's guarding the same ore types as you can get in empire in a 0.5 system.
If ccp want 0.0 space to be populated then they have to change this. Ive been told that the strength of npc pirates is changed according to the systems sec rating 0.0 to -1.0. If this is the case why carnt they make the ore/pirate distribution the same as in empire, so only systems -0.8 to -1.0 have crok/bistot/ark in WITH npc bs spawns there, and systems 0.0 to -0.4 have fairly weak rat spawns (no bs spawns and max 5-6 cruiser spawn) but with also only low end ores in.
I am also not only talking about stain. All alliance space is held for high end ore mining only. If an alliance corp wants to mine low end ores they simply go back into empire space and mine there.
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Majin Buu
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Posted - 2004.04.05 05:44:00 -
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you have got to be kidding me.
Listen you had ark 4 jumps from DSS, your home system. You've had bistot in same system as stations, you were at one time, the richest area in the game. Well cry me a river stain the fact that u got nerfed, cry me a 'effin river.
we had ark there for about 1 month, and that was during the baby roid bug, and the ark that was there was only in small quantities 5-6 roids per belt, not like todays ark belts with 15-20 roids per belt. Also if i remember correctly OC had what 4 times asmuch bistot belts as anyother corp is SA
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eXeCt
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Posted - 2004.04.05 06:11:00 -
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Edited by: eXeCt on 05/04/2004 06:12:40
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oh for sh1ts sake...If the roles were reversed and the present or the old Stain Alliance controlled the old curse where you had to mine 15+ jumps you would have folded and packed it up for empire much sooner. The plain and simple fact is you are too lazy to go out and get the necessary ore so you ***** and moan hoping that CCP will hear your cries and give you a sympathy vote because you are getting smashed by the Evil Curse Alliance. well go **** yourselves....
If the roles where reversed, you would have been telling exactly what we are saying now, and we would have asked you to shut up - as you ask us to do..
I don't like SA's current situation, but there is little I can do to change the ore situation in stain.. life goes on.
Why do you get so angry? Because you where wrong, and don't know a better way to reply?
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Raknor
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Posted - 2004.04.05 06:16:00 -
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Edited by: Raknor on 05/04/2004 06:29:36
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Also if i remember correctly OC had what 4 times asmuch bistot belts as anyother corp is SA
Stain was full of Bist at one time but due to over mining area's that OC did not hold, as they only mined enough to fund there Pvp, most of Stain was striped of any high end ores. Thus resulting in everyone saying that OC held 4 times as many Bist producing belts as any other Stain corp as they seem to only remember the time right before Castor.
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DaShmoo
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Posted - 2004.04.05 07:06:00 -
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I remember mining, hauling to a depot, then hauling bistot from a depot to a station 28 jumps away, all the while worring if SA would shoot me even though we had a NAP.
Now I just undock and mine and haul a couple jumps and refine. Guess all those months of dodging bullets and lasers paid off.
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Ackath
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Posted - 2004.04.05 07:33:00 -
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Honestly this is not an argument. Stain used to have bistot IN systems with stations and Curse had to mine bistot 15+ jumps away and we never complained. FA and SA declaired war on us and we still mined those 15+ jumps to supply our PvP, we persevered. Now that we can get ahead in mins and crap and Stain has to haul 5 jumps (max) they complain. Personally i think this guy is proposing this idea so that Stain can try and rebound in .1 systems mining spod and Nerf us....
I am getting real ****ed off at 'CA had bistot 15 jumps away' while stain had it in their backyard.
Its true Stain had it easy but its not true that curse region was depleted of bistot.
Been to curse in that period of time and i know that altho scarce, bistot and crockite was there to mine and if you want an example i am sure that k88 or soemthing had bistot.
And 15+ jumps out to mine bistot?? another blatant lie i know for a fact that 11 jumps from hlw in scaldic pass was plenty of bistot.
Also, curse as a region has its exits pretty close one to another making it reeally easy to acces different regions.
Stain on the other hand has its exists 20 jumps on from another and also from the southern end (former oc hq) to the exist is about 40 fricking jumps.
Another bonus in terms of quickly assembly of troops and so forth.
So stop bringing that argument into discussion CA cause you were nowhere so nerfed as Stain is today.
Disclaimer i am SA and of course my opinion is biased.
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2004.04.05 08:19:00 -
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Ok wait now i'm gonna laugh ;)
CFS:
- 25 jumps from station to mine bistot
- No ark
Now we have conquerable stations, closer to other alliance space than to khanid space ;)
Now which alliance was nerfed the most?
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HavokTBP
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Posted - 2004.04.05 08:22:00 -
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Lol I dunno about you guys but I gotta go about 20 jumps to mine, you don't see anyone mining in curse space nowadays. An honestly quit crying because we own more systems then you do :)
Member of the Curse Alliance before the Corruption
Leader of The Black Plague.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.04.05 08:28:00 -
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So if i am getting this right... You are talking about Curse having 11 jumps 'only' back in the days, and you claim that 5 jumps is too far?
The closest location i seen in curse with good roids was 4 or 5 jumps away, and i never ever heard someone complain about that. Would your royal highnes settle with instadock from the belt, a station next to your bistot roid... Or do you want it to spawn inside your hangar instead?
I don't know what the hell mass is whining about, the last few weeks they didnt came to aid their brethern in the south and from what i hear dalman has 200k mega stored away. So what CCP has to ask themselves is: Do they really need to give SA everything on a silver plater like they did before castor.
Or does SA need to ask themselves the question to invest more time in logistic management. 
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ColdFuzion
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Posted - 2004.04.05 09:54:00 -
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Your mining in catch using the outering stations and the system is not far from dss.
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Ackath
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Posted - 2004.04.05 10:17:00 -
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Guys dont get me wrong i am not whining about the current state of things (ok ok maybe a little) but i am mostly whining about you whining about how CA was so nerfed before castor.
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Ackath
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Posted - 2004.04.05 10:40:00 -
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Edited by: Ackath on 05/04/2004 10:41:46
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they didnt came to aid their brethern in the south
Dreamworks in my eyes you will always be the carebear of choice in EVE. Not the OC sig nor your signature will ever change that or at least make you worth paying attention to.
However since you did bring it up in this thread please look more closely to what i said. Namely: from dss (our living area) to paragon soul and esoteria is quite a trip 40+ jumps or more.
Now taking that plus the fact that your fighting style is extremly unpleasant(which anyone who fought you can vouch for), please draw your own conclusions.
Disclaimer: i am SA so my opinion is biased
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.04.05 10:59:00 -
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That you rather mine in Catch than fight? Hm, what IS your definition of beeing a carebear? Standing up for your corp, killing people (look at TGIF's killcount), not make money or WHINE about the ore distrubition or mine while your Alliance mates are losing a daily fight, do risk ships, and some corporations sit far far away watching the map smiling while their hangars fill up with ore.
You were not alot present in Catch where you occupy some stations now all the sudden while i NEVER seen Mass fight, you now dont show your face when were in Esoteria OR o5y/4gq and you talk about not liking our fighting style? Do you even know what fighting is? Go ride that pink cloudmobile of you, your my muppet of the week.
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TWD
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Posted - 2004.04.05 11:06:00 -
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IIRC Dreamworks got 2 carebear of the week awards ;) |
Ackath
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Posted - 2004.04.05 11:10:00 -
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This quarrel will go forever probably...
Dreamworks (i will prolly get killed for saying this  ) i have to much respect for Duke and old OC to continue to flame you (which would also mean OC) since i was c4 in beta and in retail Duke helped me out of a tight situation.
Want to prove you'r brave? kill me in action.
bye bye
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.04.05 11:16:00 -
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IIRC Dreamworks got 2 carebear of the week awards ;)
Also m0o was believen to be on beatable and got its ass wooped by 3 celest apoc while 5 m0o were there, things do change... Dont they? 
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Fenix UA
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Posted - 2004.04.05 11:41:00 -
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Yes, all so is bad...?
Someone was given arc, they dig less to receive the certain amount of mega, but transporting to reprocessing longer. Another was given bist, they should dig longer to receive like amount of mega, that the first, but it is less transporting to reprocessing. So what is a problem here? It's likely you people already have grown very lazy it's the limit. Can CCP make spawn megac in your hangars...?
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.04.05 12:40:00 -
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Just one question...
Why do you think SA claimed stain, as the first regional alliance, instead of picking curse as a home???
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.04.05 12:53:00 -
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stop whining about the ore ffs. try to learn instead of whining...
"OMG OMG, I CANT FIND **** LOADS OF BISTOT IN SYNDICATE!"
"We brake for nobody"
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GFLTorque
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Posted - 2004.04.05 13:40:00 -
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I think you all are missing the point. SA went to Stain in late May, and defended it and its riches until the ore redistribution in December. For the last 4 months Stain has been almost worthless, as its not possible to mine common ores, nor are there any ores of value there.
Now for the sake of being fair, 100's of users that invested 7 months time, defending, preparing, and guarding an area, are now reduced to all mining and hauling to the exact same two stations. Which happen to both be in "bottlenecks" and easily attacked. Call it crying, or whining, but in 4 months of no common ores, and no high end ores in the many systems of Stain, CA/Xetic/C4 combined seem to be "removing us forever" on a weekly basis.
I have respect for what CA and some former comrades of OC were able to accomplish prior to the Castor patch and the ore redistribution. It was done with skill, planning and great teamwork, but I am sorry if in no way can I see how its "fair" that our ore "up and moved." Perhaps when the STATION redistribution, the lab redistribution and the ore redistribution occur you all will be equally happy. (yes thats tongue and cheek)
AS for Xetic - Why can't Hegamonic Corp simply post we dont like Stain, and get it over with. Its a bit boring to read them as the only Xetic corp that posts of "Stains great deceit" time and again.
I've had many fun hours of fighting with CA, and their new found strength following the castor patch. I don't see whats so intimidating to CA if Stain were to actually have something in it.
Flame away, but make sure you take all the now worthless labs, factories, and stations of Stain with you.
4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.04.05 14:03:00 -
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Stain is not worthless just becouse you cant find bistot there.
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Flame away, but make sure you take all the now worthless labs, factories, and stations of Stain with you.
i certainly will. please unrent all the offices you have and ill gladly come down to rent them again...
Thank You!
"We brake for nobody"
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Proterion
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Posted - 2004.04.05 14:03:00 -
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balrgh.. delete the forum, keep oly dev chat.. maaaaaaaaaaaaaan... im tired off all this crap !!
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.04.05 14:05:00 -
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and btw, for your information there are more regions out there that doesnt have a lot of good ores...
"We brake for nobody"
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GFLTorque
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Posted - 2004.04.05 14:10:00 -
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and btw, for your information there are more regions out there that doesnt have a lot of good ores...
You miss the point.
I have no problem with CA or anyone gaining ore due to the patch.
What I think ought to be reconsidered was the REMOVAL of ores from certain regions, and for that matter, any region including Stain.
If you want to start a post on "why we never had good ore" just hit "New Topic."
4 out of 3 people have trouble with fractions
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DaShmoo
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Posted - 2004.04.05 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: DaShmoo on 05/04/2004 15:26:14
It isn't Hegemonic Core, it's everyone. Half XETIC didn't care too much in my opinion of you right when castor hit, and after the several invasions by collective and such, the rest of XETIC woke up and in my opinion realized either: a.) Stain wanted a war with us, b.) Stain couldn't control it's corps and uphold the NAP or c.) Stain habored pirate corps whom constantly hit us.
Either way I guess the last half woke up and decided not to take it. Had you all wisened up and not hit us that one time with collective, we woulda remained out and you woulda had only C4 and CA.....Why you came into Immensea I'll never understand. Perhaps I will call you all H itler Jr from now on.
Nothing personal, well, maybe it is. 6 months of incidence where SA corps have hit us while under the NAP would kinda make it alittle personal. Whatever happens, it will be fun if nothing else.
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