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Posted - 2008.03.06 04:42:00 -
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Edited by: Idx on 06/03/2008 04:42:37
Corp is having an argument. In what situation is amarr ever better than Caldari in pvp?
More specifically, is the absolution better then the nighthawk in pvp, on average? No other help involved.
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ThatCpp
Gallente
Knights Of the Black Sun
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Posted - 2008.03.06 05:13:00 -
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Sniping and fleet engagements, missiles take some time to hit their targets. That and capital ships, the rev is a really solid dreadnought.
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X99 Z990
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Posted - 2008.03.06 05:16:00 -
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Yes but undead get fear immunity.
Tell your corp to shut up.
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Captain Sonata
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Posted - 2008.03.06 05:24:00 -
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Caldari = Bubble and hearth, stay in station until hostiles go away.
Amarr = Heal, rejuvenate, shift shapes, do some damage, repeat.
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Headcrabs
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Posted - 2008.03.06 05:24:00 -
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Edited by: Lithalnas on 06/03/2008 05:24:00
An abaddon makes most raven and rohk pilots rethink their tanking abilities. And an abaddon gets a lock on an ecm ships, carcals and the like, well there is not much left onces a volley or two goes out.
Crusader with an anti intie setup just chews through crows.
absolutions have a great tank, and at the same time can fit a great gank. A nighhawk has a great tank as well, no so much gank.
however pve ravens and drakes cant be beat.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 05:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Idx
Edited by: Idx on 06/03/2008 04:42:37
Corp is having an argument. In what situation is amarr ever better than Caldari in pvp?
More specifically, is the absolution better then the nighthawk in pvp, on average? No other help involved.
What a dumb argument. You could perhaps, compare two ships that fill exactly the same role, and determine which is more effective. Comparing two races and trying to say which is 'better' is stupid.
Let me guess, your corp is not a PvP corp, and the majority of pilots in it fly ravens in lvl 4s.
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Rudagar
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Posted - 2008.03.06 05:33:00 -
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I was expecting a one word answer in this thread about Amarr vs Caldari pvp situations.
Solo
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xHalcyonx
Amarr
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.03.06 05:47:00 -
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Edited by: xHalcyonx on 06/03/2008 05:47:19
1. Caldari
2. Solo
3. PvP
Choose only two of them.
EDIT: Fixed poor word choice.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: xHalcyonx
Edited by: xHalcyonx on 06/03/2008 05:47:19
1. Caldari
2. Solo
3. PvP
Choose only two of them.
EDIT: Fixed poor word choice.
Can I pick PvP twice?
Back on topic, if you are even having that discussion, you are in a corp of 100% PvE pilots. Because in PvE you think oh my raven can tank 10 BS, I am awesome, but in actual PvP...AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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Ogul
Caldari
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.06 06:12:00 -
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In a direct comparison Amarr win by a large margin. Lots of EM damage on 0% resistance shields equals Caldari wreck.
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Julius Romanus
Blood Corsair's
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.03.06 07:03:00 -
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
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Posted - 2008.03.06 07:08:00 -
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PvP - Amarr
PvE - Caldari
Of course there are variances but this is in general. I fly both caldari and amarr up through BS and I can say that the Amarr BS's are better at solo PvP, and caldari BS's are excellent in gang work. (Hello 1000dps torp raven with 6 Multispecs and plates)
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 07:18:00 -
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It really depends what you're doing.
Curse = ultimate solo pvp recon. Less useful in gangs, though
Revelation > Phoenix, but not mby much
Archon == Chimera. They're pretty much equal.
BS line is basically incomparable. All amarr ones have potential for either huge tank or huge damage and do great for a sniper. All Caldari ones have different roles. Cant say i know much about their frigs or cruisers.
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Corstaad
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Posted - 2008.03.06 07:18:00 -
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Don't listen to anything the forum trolls say amarr are a very good race. Caldari is a great pvp group support toon. Just play the game, have fun but ignore trollz.
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Akane Miyamoto
Paisti
Paisti Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.06 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: Corstaad
Don't listen to anything the forum trolls say amarr are a very good race. Caldari is a great pvp group support toon. Just play the game, have fun but ignore trollz.
What she said.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.06 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lithalnas
Edited by: Lithalnas on 06/03/2008 05:24:00
An abaddon makes most raven and rohk pilots rethink their tanking abilities. And an abaddon gets a lock on an ecm ships, carcals and the like, well there is not much left onces a volley or two goes out.
Crusader with an anti intie setup just chews through crows.
absolutions have a great tank, and at the same time can fit a great gank. A nighhawk has a great tank as well, no so much gank.
however pve ravens and drakes cant be beat.
I've seen the power of a specialized abbadon pilot.
needless is to say that I am very, very, VERY happy to have that guy in the corp, because if I was to find him in the opposite sides, I would be scared.
very scared.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
I've seen the power of a specialized abbadon pilot.
needless is to say that I am very, very, VERY happy to have that guy in the corp, because if I was to find him in the opposite sides, I would be scared.
very scared.
LC? ;p
On the other hand iirc he flown geddons more than abaddons...
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.06 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Grimpak
I've seen the power of a specialized abbadon pilot.
needless is to say that I am very, very, VERY happy to have that guy in the corp, because if I was to find him in the opposite sides, I would be scared.
very scared.
LC? ;p
On the other hand iirc he flown geddons more than abaddons...
he's been mostly with abbadons since he joined TNT.
gotta love the day when he practically melted a BS in front of our eyes like it was a frigate. Most people that were in BS'es in the gang made some 2k, 3k damage tops.
in the same period of time (or even less, he was one of the last to warp in) he did some 12k raw damage.
he scares me, honestly
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 08:26:00 -
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well 7% rof 7% damage implants + maxskill does help ;p +sometimes faction sinks :)
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
legion of qui
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.06 08:26:00 -
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There are quite a lot of things Amarr do better then Caldari to be honest. They have massive dps at very good ranges, they have very solid ships that really pay off with specilization, they will have the best fleet battleship in a week, they have a very useful EW racial and they excell at gang work as dps.
Caldari are good at extreme longrange combat (rare), missles and Jamming. Personally, I love the jamming bit a lot and the eagle is a fun ship if you can get her set up right, but the missles thing is just blah. Especially since Amarr get the Sac, which is like a really nice Cerb that is well adapted to todays small gang combat.
So is there a situation where Amarr are better in PvP? Ya, actually there are lots of situations where Amarr are best at PvP. . .a day will come when you are facing a golden beam and wonder what the hell hit you.
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Wardeneo
Gallente
BLL Wise Guys
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.06 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Idx
Edited by: Idx on 06/03/2008 04:42:37
Corp is having an argument. In what situation is amarr ever better than Caldari in pvp?
More specifically, is the absolution better then the nighthawk in pvp, on average? No other help involved.
solo pvp ammar win over caldari any day - and as the comment as ammar are better at sniping, i think there the same, but stop using ravens 2 snipe adn use a rokh --> i got a setup with 253km optimul range and 249km locking....
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Posted - 2008.03.06 10:00:00 -
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minmatar  cuz i delusional   
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GinoShin
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.06 10:03:00 -
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Nano Harb.. is better than either of there bc for pvp
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.03.06 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: GinoShin
Nano Harb.. is better than either of there bc for pvp
nano drake beats your pathetic nano harb all day 
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Spaced Skunk
9omH
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Posted - 2008.03.06 10:35:00 -
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With amarr you actually have damage to kill things! minus the siege raven of course.
To Spawny, a great guy, a great laugh. Rest in peace buddy.
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Mr Ignitious
Gallente
Rome
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Posted - 2008.03.06 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lithalnas
Edited by: Lithalnas on 06/03/2008 05:24:00
An abaddon makes most raven and rohk pilots rethink their tanking abilities. And an abaddon gets a lock on an ecm ships, carcals and the like, well there is not much left onces a volley or two goes out.
Crusader with an anti intie setup just chews through crows.
absolutions have a great tank, and at the same time can fit a great gank. A nighhawk has a great tank as well, no so much gank.
however pve ravens and drakes cant be beat.
ummmi just wanted to point out quickly that the caracal is NOT an ecm ship....
to stay on topic, alot of people find it a pain in the ass to tackle with caldari due to shield tanking, but then there is the one midslot retri =) but i'd say that in almost any situation i'd rather have an amarr ship because it's hard to out run lasers, where as missiles slug their way along. if you come across a nano pilot your chance of success has effectively gone to 0 (unless of course the nano pilot is an idiot, and we all know atleast one) but say you are in a zealot, you can fry just about any nano out there. just my opinion through experience, but of course each race fill a niche, people have said it, caldari don't do the solo thing.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 12:41:00 -
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I'm definitely 100% pve, and I agree its a stupid argument. My friend, with approx 2.5x the SP that I have, is always telling me to go caldari, to make missions easier. Yes, hes a big cnr fan. Last night, he tried again, and said "name a single situation where amarr is better than caldari," to which I responded "hac vs hac with tackler in gang" and "command ship vs command ship solo." I was mostly talking out of my arse. Thanks for the response - atleast I can redirect him, and the other guy, a well versed pvp type, to this thread.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.06 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Idx
Corp is having an argument. In what situation is amarr ever better than Caldari in pvp?
Amarr >> Caldari between 25-30 and around 120-150 km engagement range or so.
Below 30km, Ravens rule.
Above 120km, Rokhs get the upper hand.
Between 30 and 60, you have MFII/Scorch, between 100 and 130 you have Tachs/Aurora.
Of course, the most impressive advantage is somewere between 40 and 50 km, where almost no other ship can compete damage-wise, and if your gang has either a couple of minnie/gallente recons/EAS or dedicated tacklers, a fleet of amarr ships parked at around 45km from the gate (30-60 range to any materializing target) can make mincemeat out of them all quite fast.
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More specifically, is the absolution better then the nighthawk in pvp, on average?
I'd take the Nighthawk any time of the day here though.
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Neyi Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Quote:
More specifically, is the absolution better then the nighthawk in pvp, on average?
I'd take the Nighthawk any time of the day here though.
.......why?
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Brodde Dim
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Posted - 2008.03.06 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Hank Showbo
Originally by: Akita T
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More specifically, is the absolution better then the nighthawk in pvp, on average?
I'd take the Nighthawk any time of the day here though.
.......why?
So would I. Mostly a matter of taste. And the range. And the damage types. And the immunity to TD. And the possibility to counter ECM and dampers to some degree. And not having to fear being shut down by a single neut.
The Absolution is still a nice ship though.
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Endless Subversion
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Posted - 2008.03.06 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Brodde Dim
The Absolution is still a nice ship though.
No, it's an expensive fail boat with no role.
For missions you're probably better off being calari. For PvP it really depends on your role.
Caldari:
Seige Raven has amazing close range DPS, falcons are super strong support, and the crow is a good solid tackler. The new eagle is going to be a sick anti-support ship and the rokh is a fantastic long range sniper. Nano cerb is meh, but the sac is pretty much a caldari ship anyway.
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Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.03.06 14:35:00 -
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Amarr are better at solo pvp than Caldari, thats about it.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.06 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Brodde Dim
Originally by: Hank Showbo
Originally by: Akita T
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More specifically, is the absolution better then the nighthawk in pvp, on average?
I'd take the Nighthawk any time of the day here though.
.......why?
So would I. Mostly a matter of taste. And the range. And the damage types. And the immunity to TD. And the possibility to counter ECM and dampers to some degree. And not having to fear being shut down by a single neut.
Don't forget the "also can still tank without capacitor" part, and the "huge effective HP" part either.
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Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:02:00 -
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Amarr >>> Caldari unless PVE is your thing. Hell even for missions I'd rather fly Amarr unless it was vs. Guristas.
Falcon is awesome to have in a gang, Drake and Crow are good, Eagle's ok, but bahumbug @ everything else Caldari.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:16:00 -
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Many people don't really care about it, but I really enjoy the fact that lasers use no ammo. I don't have to worry about buying and storing it, and for me it really simplifies everything.
Also in PVE, a Coercer for lvl 1s and a Arbitrator for lvl 2s are really excellent choices... you can train some gunnery skills for the Coercer, and some drone skills for the Arbitrator, and both wil be very useful later on. I'm not sure about lvl 3s and 4s because I can't do them well enough yet.
Being a noob who has eyes in PVP, I believe that Amarr are good enough in PVE to be viable --though certainly not as good as Caldari -- , and much better in PVP, though I'm saying this because everyone tells me so, not from experience :P. So I figured Amarr would be a good choice for me.
And also, we get to fly around with our beautiful ships full of nice looking slaves :P, which gotta score some points in somebody's book .
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Kamen
SRBI
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:19:00 -
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If I cared to crosstrain Amarr, I would never sit in a caldari HAC ever.
Sac is superio to Cerberus at gate engagements.
Zealot is MUCH better than Eagle at same ranges AND with ability to fit some decent tank, MWD AND injector or opt for nano-ish setup. Eagle with blaster fit can dram of that lax fitting.
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Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kamen
Zealot is MUCH better than Eagle at same ranges
1v1 at 200km? .. ok ill give you some chance: 150km. Ohwait ... maybe 100?
You could alwyas say Deimos is MUCH better than zealot at same ranges (being 0-2km). Different ships different roles. And anti support Eagle > all. In fleet anti nano-hac cerb>sacri and zealot. Tho on gates amarr ships tend to be better.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 16:25:00 -
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i'm caldari pilot but i use more amarr ship for pvp :
i use :
- caldari ship pvp : crow/raptor/falcon/eagle/drake
- amarr ship pvp : zealot/sacrilege/curse/pilgrim/absolution/damnation/geddon/aba
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.06 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Grimpak
I've seen the power of a specialized abbadon pilot.
needless is to say that I am very, very, VERY happy to have that guy in the corp, because if I was to find him in the opposite sides, I would be scared.
very scared.
LC? ;p
On the other hand iirc he flown geddons more than abaddons...
he's been mostly with abbadons since he joined TNT.
gotta love the day when he practically melted a BS in front of our eyes like it was a frigate. Most people that were in BS'es in the gang made some 2k, 3k damage tops.
in the same period of time (or even less, he was one of the last to warp in) he did some 12k raw damage.
he scares me, honestly
Goddamnit, give him back you gits!!! LC stop arseing about and get your behind back here!
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Posted - 2008.03.06 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Julius Romanus
2-24km
Lol :) awesome! :)
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Posted - 2008.03.06 16:47:00 -
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Just watch the video ARMAGEDDON
This should pretty much answer your question.
If you don't watch, imagine an Armageddon fighting 2 or 3 other battleships (including several ravens) in multiple engagements.
Great video, and answer.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.06 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Grimpak
I've seen the power of a specialized abbadon pilot.
needless is to say that I am very, very, VERY happy to have that guy in the corp, because if I was to find him in the opposite sides, I would be scared.
very scared.
LC? ;p
On the other hand iirc he flown geddons more than abaddons...
he's been mostly with abbadons since he joined TNT.
gotta love the day when he practically melted a BS in front of our eyes like it was a frigate. Most people that were in BS'es in the gang made some 2k, 3k damage tops.
in the same period of time (or even less, he was one of the last to warp in) he did some 12k raw damage.
he scares me, honestly
Goddamnit, give him back you gits!!! LC stop arseing about and get your behind back here!
sry nop
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: welsh wizard
Goddamnit, give him back you gits!!! LC stop arseing about and get your behind back here!
sry nop
Just remember to hit LC with a trout when he starts being "im emo, gonna quit eve and sell my chars". LC cant leave EVE coz hes best amarr BS pilot ;p
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.06 19:51:00 -
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LC is the reason I don't believe anyone when they whine about Amarr BS (well except the apoc maybe). :P
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D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.06 21:54:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 06/03/2008 21:54:34
Originally by: welsh wizard
LC is the reason I don't believe anyone when they whine about Amarr BS (well except the apoc maybe). :P
Ppl who whine abt abaddon and arma are tards anyways. Amarr BS are fine except for apoc which atm is useless (roll on boost). Problems are with t1 "tanky" ships which lack laser bonus thus they are better with any other weapon type (usually AC's).
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