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cyllan anassan
DEUS EX 1
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Posted - 2011.09.07 18:24:00 -
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hello
I had 2 petitions back to back where the GMS have lied to me, how do i know?
do the amarr blood datacenters in kudi work?,
i have been told twice in the last 4 weeks no, they dont apparently........(once today)
i see people back and forth in the datacenters all the time even now.
After giving me the brush off about standings and any other easy excuse imaginable about why they are not offering me
missions for blood tags they told me they were bugged , i asked for a dev bug report twice,
in both petitions, i was told nothing no dev bug report available to players.....by the same GM
lies lies and more lies,
since i have little hope of this being dealt up in here by normal channels.....how about out of the box thinking
Does anyone know please how did the NEX issue became so hot , so fast that it appeared in magazines and CSM members
were flown to iceland at short notice............ how did this spreaded from the appropiate people to the appropiate channels to
become a media issue like it has been.
how can 99.9% of issues on eve go unnoticed/undealt by CCP and the CSM, and for something as silly as the nex store (they
were never going to sell JOVE ships in shop we all knew that...but just the rumour was enough for a full PR campaign......)
i have the full transcrips of the 2 petitions, and they are relatively short ,
who are the movers and shakers of the eve comunity, the ones that make stuff really happen,
someone like chribba maybe?
is there any out of game complaints deparment?, has eve become like an internet provider, that you cant call/write only email
the same person/ department you are having problems with?
got the 2 petitions but i cant link them here , if anyone thinks they can do something , i can try and email the hmtl pages.
well after 2 years of yearly suscription i got 1 month left and that will be it...... i already filled the cancel subscription
questionaire , though i doubt anything will happen.
well if anyone is interested these are are my reasons, and if not i dont care, i've had to hear so many griefers, scammers , rude
people on eve over the years that i dont care, peole actually insult you straight if you critisize the game, this is even on help
channel, which isnt even a help channel anyway, is the brag/insult/mine is bigger than yours channel
1- the gms lied to me twice (actually it was the same one twice), all i asked was a reset of the kudi agents , too much it seems
every time you put a petition , they brush you off like telling me the data center standing needed is corp, no is not i had to link the eve page to gm ESKIMO to make him see is the amarr standing of 8 just as usefull, this was probably a mistake , but the other GM NickyArikado told me on 16 august and today that some datacenters are bugged so i should try other agents.
both petitions are closed now due to the total lack of help by gms, i dont know if players try to screw them much or what , but asunhelphul as possible , while being very polite.
2-CSM , either dont give a dam or they dont have any power, or both...... i made a perfectly good suggestion 1 month ago about cosmos blueprints meta 6 which are rewards for cosmos missions and are worth ZIP.
why?
because they cost 5-10 times a meta 5 item to make and are not better........ the market doesnt sell them or buy them,
i put it in a petition , i was told to put it in the forums.... no dev/CSM even comented.
Apparently CSM focus right now is to nerf wormhole mining so they can keep moon materials and mercoxit prices high for high sec players, nice
3- CCP has 500 employees apparently, most of them on sales marketing and organizing those super pompous parties in
iceland , like CCP is microsoft or Apple, which i woulnt mind if some of those 500 employess actually coded for the company .
if you have any doubt about the focus to sales / PR instead of coding 8 year old bugs (how long those cosmos meta 6 worthless blueprints have been running around......?) nobody see those contracts and prices? like non existent?, this missions are like many many years old..........noone looks at this?, nope
Lets look at CCP priorities
just look at the Nex "debacle"....... CSM were flown to iceland the whole issue was on the gaming magazines. it was absurd..... do you think for a second CCP was going to sell Jove ships/ t3 ammo on the nex shop?, however it was bad PR and no expense was spared.......the list of bugs is like 170 after what 8 years? where is the focus for CCP?
you know we didnt need $60 monocles, i want to be able to undock in less than 25 seconds , i want scammers bounty hunted
and i want pirates shot on sight by concord, no more trips to jita in a minifrigate avoiding everyone because they can instawarp
also what is with the text, there are no voiceovers, the music is the same for years, there are no animations motion videos.
dragon age had lots of voice conversation, inmersive storiline and FMV for $60 including all dlc content and no subscription
fees.
eve is a text click fest for $15 a month
at the end of the day this is a moneymaking company like EA or Lucasarts, i still cant beliebe the list of issues to correct is like
170 on the CSM list AFTER 8 YEARS!!!!!!!!.
might come back in 2-3 years , been playing for 2 . depends on what happens.
HEY there are devs online, never seen them before............. wow, !!!!!! nice to finally meet you !!!!!!!
Just a quick question before i go , why there are 170 proposals on the CSM list after 8 years?
dont answer all at once.......... i guess the answer is HILLMAR, |
Jovan Geldon
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.09.07 18:28:00 -
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What the **** is this bullshit
EDIT:- Guess the profanity filter still needs some work |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2011.09.07 18:28:00 -
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you sound mad bro
u need to have the right tags for each agent and enough standing.... also it only works one time for each agent. once done u cant repeat them |
Spurty
V0LTA VOLTA Corp
12
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Posted - 2011.09.07 18:32:00 -
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Take 2 of these and post again in the morning ---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Zagam
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
66
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Posted - 2011.09.07 18:45:00 -
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Why are you asking in a petition if many other resources are available?
Screaming and yelling on a forum isn't going to get you an answer, thats for sure.
Enjoy your time off from EVE, you won't really be missed. |
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CCP Zymurgist
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.07 19:02:00 -
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If you having issues with a petition you are welcome to request a second opinion and have another GM look at it. Please do not share the contents of the petition with other players as those communications are private between you and CCP.
For any complaints with the CSM I would suggest participating on the Jita Park Speaker's Corner and discuss issues with other players. Zymurgist Community Representative CCP NA, EVE Online Contact Us at http://support.eveonline.com/pages/petitions/createpetition.aspx |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.09.07 19:05:00 -
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for the love of god don't encourage him zymurgist |
Zixie Draco
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.09.07 19:07:00 -
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You're having to post is so many times because this is illegible and no one can possibly understand it to the point that it doesn't even make sense to itself and implodes from confusion.
Would you like a kitten? |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.09.07 19:18:00 -
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Zixie Draco wrote:You're having to post is so many times because this is illegible and no one can possibly understand it to the point that it doesn't even make sense to itself and implodes from confusion.
Wait... there's content in the OP?
I scanned it visually real quick, saw "Chribba" and assumed it was about Veldspar. Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Lisa Eldridge
GeoCorp. Gentlemen's Agreement
0
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Posted - 2011.09.07 19:26:00 -
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Well, I hope your problems are fixed. Sorry to see more players go, but if you must, c'est la vie.
I must ask, if you are going, may I have your assets seeing that you aren't going to be needing them? I'd hate to see items and isk go to waste when there are players like me still wanting to play that can benefit from them.
Best of luck to you. |
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Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
79
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Posted - 2011.09.07 19:36:00 -
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Because you touch yourself at night WiS is kinda cool and all, but FiS is more important.-á More FIS WORK! Nerf Supers, get the new backgrounds, buff assault ships, do the 0.0 balance, buff lowsec. and make a space pony! DUST SHOULD BE ON THE PC (a real platform!) GDI! I WILL NOT BUY A FQNG PS3 |
Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune Celestial Imperative
4
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Posted - 2011.09.07 19:37:00 -
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170 items on the CSM list after 8 years.....
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iirc, the CSM has not existed for that long... but ignoring that little gem... here is a more reasonable response..
how many players are there? the items on the CSM list are, in general, put forward by players. so... 170 items is a drop in the ocean. |
Tabatha Ravenclaw
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2011.09.07 19:43:00 -
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This thread should come with a health warning. I clawed my eyes out reading the OP!! |
cyllan anassan
DEUS EX 1
8
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Posted - 2011.09.08 03:43:00 -
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CCP Zymurgist wrote:If you having issues with a petition you are welcome to request a second opinion and have another GM look at it. Please do not share the contents of the petition with other players as those communications are private between you and CCP. For any complaints with the CSM I would suggest participating on the Jita Park Speaker's Corner and discuss issues with other players.
that is the point i got 2-3 about the same issue and all the petitions responses dont bother to look at any logs . anythyng
they give you the brush off and that is it.
and by the way you and i know CCP is never going to acknowledged than an employee lied unless he is caught.
and that is not going to happen till i find a way to post the 2 images of the petitions to somebody who can post them on the web |
cyllan anassan
DEUS EX 1
8
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Posted - 2011.09.08 03:47:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:for the love of god don't encourage him zymurgist
so what part of it you dont like or think it doesnt make sense
1- lying by gms? 2- the Council for 00 alliances? 3- the list of unfinished stuff? 4- the waste of money from ccp to sales and marketing and not product develepoment
5- you are a fanboi who cant listen to critizsim. plenty of them in here, mostly making trillions in 00 and grieving people in game
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cyllan anassan
DEUS EX 1
8
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Posted - 2011.09.08 03:52:00 -
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Zixie Draco wrote:You're having to post is so many times because this is illegible and no one can possibly understand it to the point that it doesn't even make sense to itself and implodes from confusion.
i am going to re-edit it just for you.
ps, i dont want any kittens |
Alxea
U-208 Bacon Fortress Gaming Syndicate
9
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Posted - 2011.09.08 04:18:00 -
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cyllan anassan wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:for the love of god don't encourage him zymurgist so what part of it you dont like or think it doesnt make sense 1- lying by gms? 2- the Council for 00 alliances? 3- the list of unfinished stuff? 4- the waste of money from ccp to sales and marketing and not product develepoment 5- you are a fanboi who cant listen to critizsim. plenty of them in here, mostly making trillions in 00 and grieving people in game So you mad because you make next to nothing in highsec and hug your stations wile people who are taking risks make trillions and get to have fun suicide ganking people like you in your mission? Also grieving people in the game and about how they blew up your ships just for fun is not against the rules of eve. Having fun yet. You can suck it up or leave wile letting the door totally hit you on the way out and nobody will like miss you. |
Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
17
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Posted - 2011.09.08 04:36:00 -
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Can i has your stuff? And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2011.09.08 04:53:00 -
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cyllan anassan wrote:i am going to re-edit it just for you.
First, make sure your sentences make sense. Second, use paragraphs: collections of sentences which relate to the same topic and provide more information as you read through the paragraph. Third, stick to one complaint. You start off complaining about getting the brush-off from GMs, then wander into complaints about NeX and CSM and CCP parties.
Noone is going to take you seriously because you are ranting like a crazy person.
Stick to one complaint. Make it clear what course of action you have taken to verify that the problem is not your misunderstanding of game mechanics. Detail what you have done, what you expected to happen, and what actually happened. Once you can actually string two coherent sentences together without lashing out at anyone and everyone, you'll find that people will be more helpful.
Feel free to name GMs that you have corresponded with (include dates & times), but remember you are not allowed to post the actual correspondence. Naming the GMs will help CCP staff investigate the issue, should any of them become interested enough in your story to investigate.
Describe what you expected would happen (e.g.: "My Amarr standing is 8.1. My standing towards Ministry of Internal Order is 9.8. I had 80 XYZ tags in my hold. I started talking to Agent Smith. I expected to be offered a mission.") Describe what actually happened, e.g.: When starting a conversation with Agent Smith, the agent responded "I don't talk to people who I don't trust. Go away." Putting as much detail into this as possible will help other capsuleers find any obvious flaws in your expectations, or even try to replicate your problem. Once you have other people able to replicate your problem, you should submit a bug report.
Sentences. Paragraphs. Stay on topic. Describe your expectations, what actions you took, and how the outcomes varied from your expectations.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.09.08 05:31:00 -
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cyllan anassan wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:for the love of god don't encourage him zymurgist so what part of it you dont like or think it doesnt make sense 1- lying by gms? 2- the Council for 00 alliances? 3- the list of unfinished stuff? 4- the waste of money from ccp to sales and marketing and not product develepoment 5- you are a fanboi who cant listen to critizsim. plenty of them in here, mostly making trillions in 00 and grieving people in game
Any one whose over 5 should know that accusing a person of lying is not a way to win friends and influence people. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
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Thorn Galen
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.09.08 05:42:00 -
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David Grogan wrote:you sound mad bro
u need to have the right tags for each agent and enough standing.... also it only works one time for each agent. once done u cant repeat them
This, exactly. Correct Tag for correct agent and once only, ever. It works 100% of the time.
(This space for rent) |
Eladaris
Excessum Industries Excessum Gaming
66
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Posted - 2011.09.08 07:17:00 -
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cyllan anassan wrote:had to post this 4 times what is going on?
Argh!
I had a wonderful forum response full of snark and fury... and the forums ate 'em. Ah well, can't be arsed to type it all again.
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cyllan anassan
DEUS EX 1
8
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Posted - 2011.09.08 10:23:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:cyllan anassan wrote:i am going to re-edit it just for you. First, make sure your sentences make sense. Second, use paragraphs: collections of sentences which relate to the same topic and provide more information as you read through the paragraph. Third, stick to one complaint. You start off complaining about getting the brush-off from GMs, then wander into complaints about NeX and CSM and CCP parties. Noone is going to take you seriously because you are ranting like a crazy person. Stick to one complaint. Make it clear what course of action you have taken to verify that the problem is not your misunderstanding of game mechanics. Detail what you have done, what you expected to happen, and what actually happened. Once you can actually string two coherent sentences together without lashing out at anyone and everyone, you'll find that people will be more helpful. Feel free to name GMs that you have corresponded with (include dates & times), but remember you are not allowed to post the actual correspondence. Naming the GMs will help CCP staff investigate the issue, should any of them become interested enough in your story to investigate. Describe what you expected would happen (e.g.: "My Amarr standing is 8.1. My standing towards Ministry of Internal Order is 9.8. I had 80 XYZ tags in my hold. I started talking to Agent Smith. I expected to be offered a mission.") Describe what actually happened, e.g.: When starting a conversation with Agent Smith, the agent responded "I don't talk to people who I don't trust. Go away." Putting as much detail into this as possible will help other capsuleers find any obvious flaws in your expectations, or even try to replicate your problem. Once you have other people able to replicate your problem, you should submit a bug report. Sentences. Paragraphs. Stay on topic. Describe your expectations, what actions you took, and how the outcomes varied from your expectations.
you dont get it, right stay in topic , describe your expectations, you think this is about a bug report, it isnt.... you think that stuff in eve is being reviewed and read and actioned logically and in order.
if the game is so wondefully managed.... why after the last 4 expansions the increase in players is like 2.4%. you want to help me give me you email address and publish the contects of the 2 petitions....
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Cyaxares II
United Engineering Services
4
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Posted - 2011.09.08 10:32:00 -
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it's not a lie if you are clueless (and EVE GMs generally are), c/d? |
Signal11th
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Posted - 2011.09.08 10:34:00 -
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The problem with accusing someone of lying is that there is always two sides to the story.
Player: Help me GM I lost my ship to a DC/lag
GM: Our logs show nothing
Player: Your lying, my client wa laggy/dc'd
Both are correct but both could accuse the other of lying about it because neither side has access to the others.
I'd imagine getting to be a DEV/GM in EVE is not something they give away in a crackjack box (maybe apart from the chap who came up with the NEX store) and he/she really has no reason to lie, he /she has a mutlitude of other excuses they can use.
Use the petitioning system to complain not the bloody forums you just come across as a bit of a spoilt child who isn't getting his own way. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
43
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Posted - 2011.09.08 10:37:00 -
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As I recall from my few petitions, if you don't like the result a GM gives a petition, there is an option to escalate it. This will send it to another GM(I would assume a senior GM, but this IS CCP) for review.
Don't submit a 2nd petition, escalate the first one(it may be to late now if it is already closed) |
Lonox
Hilmar is Lord
4
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Posted - 2011.09.08 10:49:00 -
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The GM's can't fix stupid. |
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.08 11:18:00 -
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@cyllan anassan
David Grogan wrote: u need to have the right tags for each agent and enough standing.... also it only works one time for each agent. once done u cant repeat them
^^ That is pretty much the case. If you meet all these prerequisites and have not run them before then you should be able to use these agents (mind you, only once; they will not be reset once you have used them). If there is still something wrong, please file a petition.
Note: I have NOT looked into these petitions in any way, thus I have no way of knowing if the GMs in question were correct and cyllan anassan misinterpreted the answer, if the GMs were wrong and they misinterpreted cyllan anassan's question, or if the GMs in question simply lacked the proper knowledge on these agents. All of these are a possibility; however, GMs are not allowed to lie and if we catch a GM doing so (which I have personally have not seen so far, although where humans are involved mistakes do happen) they will receive a harsh reprimand. Usually when someone perceives a GM as lying to them it involves a misunderstanding as opposed to a lie.
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Beer'Can
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.09.08 11:22:00 -
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HOLY wall of text batman |
cyllan anassan
DEUS EX 1
8
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Posted - 2011.09.08 12:48:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:@cyllan anassan David Grogan wrote: u need to have the right tags for each agent and enough standing.... also it only works one time for each agent. once done u cant repeat them
^^ That is pretty much the case. If you meet all these prerequisites and have not run them before then you should be able to use these agents (mind you, only once; they will not be reset once you have used them). If there is still something wrong, please file a petition. Note: I have NOT looked into these petitions in any way, thus I have no way of knowing if the GMs in question were correct and cyllan anassan misinterpreted the answer, if the GMs were wrong and they misinterpreted cyllan anassan's question, or if the GMs in question simply lacked the proper knowledge on these agents. All of these are a possibility; however, GMs are not allowed to lie and if we catch a GM doing so (which I have personally have not seen so far, although where humans are involved mistakes do happen) they will receive a harsh reprimand. Usually when someone perceives a GM as lying to them it involves a misunderstanding as opposed to a lie.
To gm homonoia.
please read the 2 petitons on my character 16 august and 2 days ago, GM NickyArikado, lies to me about kudi datacenter agents being bugged and tells me to do other missions....... (twice one on each petition)
i asked him both times for dev logs of broken agents missions he refused.
on the second petition i dealt with the same issue about datacenter in kudi with gm Eskimo, who while not liying , he
implied(indirectly) that i had already run those missions already, well i havent , then he went offline and i got stuck with GM
NickyArikado telling me again they are bugged , go and do another mission
the point is i dont have the money for gold tags and all 10 agents keep saying "i got nothing for you" i have amarr 8 standing
andi had to point this out from an eve walkthrough , that this is the standing needed , not the ministry of war as GM skimo kept
trying to tell me i had to do more missions for them, and telling me my standing wasnt high enough,
at the end one lies twice another is like talking to the wall , i havent run those 10 data center agents in kudi, and i asked gm eskimo to check which ones i had, because he seemed to insinuate (indirectly ) i had already run them once .....
no i havent i have done a couple of the easy tags months ago, but i didnt have enough tags so i started buying orders.
i say GM NickyArikado lied to me twice , you got the logs you can check it out, i am fed up with the whole thing, i never
accepted 10 data missions where i didnt have the tags, nobody checks the logs they tell you go and do other sites/ reset
cache/ your standing not good enough/ and the agents are bugged...............every petition an uphill struggle.... all i asked the
guy at the end was to reset the agents because all 10 were not working, not hard right?...... VERY!!!!!! |
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