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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.03.10 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: ZerKar Seems funny to me that you still have not caught on to the fact that CCP is moving towards 0 Avoidance and 100% Committment to battle.
You sure? Cause nanos replaced WCS as the preferred method of "avoiding commitment" ages ago, and they haven't done **** about it.
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.10 01:55:00 -
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undock black screen out of docking range die.
i expect to see alot of dead caps now
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.10 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret
Originally by: ZerKar Seems funny to me that you still have not caught on to the fact that CCP is moving towards 0 Avoidance and 100% Committment to battle.
You sure? Cause nanos replaced WCS as the preferred method of "avoiding commitment" ages ago, and they haven't done **** about it.
It's comming. Watch the interviews from the tournaments.
The Real Space Initiative - V5 (Forum Link)
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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.03.10 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret
Quote: I am okay with this change. I hate docking games.
That's good. Because now your targets are simply not going to undock. I hope this makes you very happy.
CCP failed on a grand scale with this one. It's sad that so many of you cannot even see past your F1 keys to realize what a completely stupid change this is.
Yeah ok, people are just going to never undock again
If people want to "get out" they will undock. If they want to fight, even if its suicidal, they will undock. The changes we are discussing doesnt change that. What it removes is the stupid "oh yeah im gunna pewpew look at my awesome faction fitted bs/ carrier... LOLZ you cant hurt meh... /dock" stupidity that seems so constant in eve atm, particularly with carrier pilots.
I think the majority of any person who pvps (which is the majority of eve players believe it or not) would welcome this. The only people who would see this as a bad thing are the people who enjoy the dock/undock game (the majority of whiners here) AND a small minority of those concerned about possible laggy server loading causing BSOD and therefore a crappy experience for the undockee(?). A valid concern.
Anyway it appears that the change was overexaggerated anyway, and unless someone gets a BSOD they will likely still be in dock range of station, just at a slightly different alignment. If this is true, than expect to see a whine thread wed morning from me. Please, if any devs are reading this, attempt to address a really sh1tty current mechanic in the game. If needed ill start posting fraps of all the lame carriers I come across who play this dock undock game to give the community a better idea of how boring and frustrating this is. Particularly for NPC 0.0 residents.
Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place? Neon GhostYou do, but this is compensated for by lag |
Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.10 04:17:00 -
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Wait what? A corp ceo who's corp specializes in training future PVP players is complaining about a nerf to the dock/undock game?! I mean wtf? --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. --------------------- |
Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.10 04:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Wait what? A corp ceo who's corp specializes in training future PVP players is complaining about a nerf to the dock/undock game?! I mean wtf?
Yes, welcome to a Rells thread ...
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SirMoric
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.10 05:46:00 -
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So the speed of the ship decides if you're going to live or die when undocking?
Yay, a boost for Caldari pilots since it seems like people in fast ships loose this one....
rgds
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.10 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: Zeba Wait what? A corp ceo who's corp specializes in training future PVP players is complaining about a nerf to the dock/undock game?! I mean wtf?
Yes, welcome to a Rells thread
ITT: Irony .
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk i'm not a very good gambler
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.03.10 07:03:00 -
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And end to the dock waltz!?
YES
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spurious signal
Caldari Red. Red Republic
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Posted - 2008.03.10 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Alski Undock BM's still work.
^ This is the only important and useful thing said in this thread since the first page really :)
Lots and lots of people here completely failing to understand the OP's point, mostly because they don't know how to use instaundock BMs to get entire fleets safely out of camped stations. Rells post was nothing about the dock/undock invulnerabilty games people play.
If the undock BMs still work then there's no problem and this is a good change.
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Kendar
Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.03.10 07:26:00 -
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some stations already launch you outside docking range this is just ccp converting another bug into a new feature
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Beef Hardslab
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.10 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kendar some stations already launch you outside docking range this is just ccp converting another bug into a new feature
Sounds feasible Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Military Industrial Research
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Posted - 2008.03.10 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 10/03/2008 07:42:58
Originally by: Zeba Wait what? A corp ceo who's corp specializes in training future PVP players is complaining about a nerf to the dock/undock game?! I mean wtf?
Anyone who knows anything about Agony would know that that is not the issue that Rells is actually concerned about here. (This is the alt of a former Agony member, by the way.)
In X70 in Pure Blind there are 3 SOE stations. One of them throws you outside of docking range when you undock, and the other two are normal stations. When Agony was based in that system, Rells had the corp live in the one station that throws them putside of docking range on purpose.
The real issue is the undock bookmarks that allow you to safely get out of camped stations (unless they are bubbled).
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BiggestT
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Posted - 2008.03.10 08:12:00 -
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carebears do the whining pvp'ers so the dying...game wise..sorta..well it sounded good in my head! :)
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Delichon
Caldari The First Foundation Stella Polar
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Posted - 2008.03.10 09:03:00 -
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If a "use instaundock BMs to get entire fleets safely out of camped stations" is OK with you guys, where do I get stargates that allow me to safely get entire fleets through gatecamps?
If this change does no break the instabookies - that's bad. Because otherwise people would learn to use scouts, intel-channels and understand, you know, socialize to survive thingy that EVE is all about. ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. Next time they are going to nerf you directly. Eve Forums. |
Andtha Splits
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Posted - 2008.03.10 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kendar some stations already launch you outside docking range this is just ccp converting another bug into a new feature
Mostly sure this bug is addressed in the patch, read it before the notes were taken down. |
Skaz
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.03.10 09:39:00 -
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Bleh look at it this way, now you can pod more people...
I'm actually ok with this decision, how can pvp'ers be against a decision that actually increases pvp even if it will be a tad one sided? - -
PINK PINK PINK PINK |
Quani
Trill Crabulas
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Posted - 2008.03.10 09:45:00 -
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Is this in affect as of now I havnt even noticed this change at all. - - - -
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Alski
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.10 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Quani Is this in affect as of now I havnt even noticed this change at all.
This tuesday = patch day :) -
(combat) Patch belonging to CCP hits your drones, wrecking their liberty and freedom.
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Christina Bamar
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.10 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Skaz Bleh look at it this way, now you can pod more people...
I'm actually ok with this decision, how can pvp'ers be against a decision that actually increases pvp even if it will be a tad one sided?
Sitting on a station with 20 people ganking a lone undocker is hardly "pvp".
The thing is that this change doesn't nerf dock/undock games, what it does is give the people outside the station the advantage over people inside. After the patch you'll be able to sit on the station in a large ship, be able to instantly dock god forbid anything resembling a fair fight comes along, and potentially easily kill people. Making this change ENCOURAGES people to sit on stations and be able to gank with essentially little to no risk. There's already little risk to station camping but at least it's balanced out by little chance of getting many kills, so little risk and little reward. After the patch though you're still risking very little but getting a substantial reward.
The problem in my eyes is not so much hurting the people undocking, it's the fact that you're directly helping and encouraging station camping, one of the most boring/unrisky pvp practices.
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Cpt Branko
Surge. Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.03.10 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Delichon
If this change does no break the instabookies - that's bad. Because otherwise people would learn to use alts and understand, you know, metagame to survive thingy that EVE is all about.
Fixed it for you (also comparing gates and station is LOL, station camping is MUCH safer, because deagress/dock is infinitely safer then deagress/jump).
The thing is this: yeah, it'll be awesome station camping places which throw you out of dockrange, because once I sit on that station, yay, I'm safe (well, mostly).
The part where it'll suck is when I want to do a bit of solo roaming or whatever, and whee, you're station camped. What do you do? Wait/Logoffski/Smack from station/Place alt outside of station?
Whereas before you could, you know, undock, go to insta, go wherever you need/roam/etc. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Rellik B00n
Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.10 11:15:00 -
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Nice to see a change that positively affects PvP in EvE instead of the steady evolution into a PVE game we have been seeing.
Thx for this CCP, good change.
PS. Get ready for a pile of petitions re:corp hopping as people realise that they will die if they undock now during a war and jump corp.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.03.10 11:17:00 -
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Quote: Yeah ok, people are just going to never undock again
Don't even quote me if you aren't going to read what I said. You skipped over two very important words, those being "your targets".
Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
If people want to "get out" they will undock. If they want to fight, even if its suicidal, they will undock. The changes we are discussing doesnt change that. What it removes is the stupid "oh yeah im gunna pewpew look at my awesome faction fitted bs/ carrier... LOLZ you cant hurt meh... /dock" stupidity that seems so constant in eve atm, particularly with carrier pilots.
People are still going to play undock games if they have a tank that can last 25 seconds. So people who still want to will do it. Obviously this wasn't what this change was trying to address. If it was, they would have lowered the invulnerability timer and increased the redock timer. That would drastically lower the amount of people who could actually do it safely.
Even if insta undocks still work, it will be difficult to make new ones so this is essentially going to break them. So, yeah, it's going to be great needing alt scouts just to undock safely now.
Looking forward to Station Camping Online? I'm not.
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Kyoto Luyi
MX3 Development Zzz
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Posted - 2008.03.10 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Christina Bamar
The problem in my eyes is not so much hurting the people undocking, it's the fact that you're directly helping and encouraging station camping, one of the most boring/unrisky pvp practices.
This. -- The views or opinions I express are solely my own and do not reflect those of my Corporation or Alliance.. Oh, and I'm NOT allowed in CAOD either :) |
NinjaTurtle
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.10 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: NinjaTurtle on 10/03/2008 11:45:12 Edited by: NinjaTurtle on 10/03/2008 11:44:32 I have to say I'm very excited about these changes. Finally people will start taking undocking seriously. That being said, undocks will still work, yes. So what's everyone upset about :) Owing to lack of Eve-related content, forums removed. If you would like to discuss this, please flame me. |
Ovno ConSyquence
Amarr Free Mercenaries Union
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Posted - 2008.03.10 11:55:00 -
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Affraid I can't read the whole thread because i'm at work...
But, with a 15 degree undock cone you could still warp to your insta-undock point.
Maths:
15 deg cone, meaning that at most you will be 7.5 degrees away from the line between the station and you insta undock.
You now stay at 100% speed.
So you will be doing 100% at 7.5 degrees off your desired course.
Meaning that the component of your velocity vector in the direction of your insta-undock will be
100 x Cos(7.5)
Which equals 99.14% of your maximum speed.
And as we all know you need to be going at 75% of your maximum speed in the direction of your destination to be able to warp.
So you can still instawarp without problems.
And just in case they mean a 30 degree cone then you would be going at 96.59% of your max which is still fast enough to warp.
So in fact they have not nerfed insta undocks at all and I will enjoy being able to carry on using them. |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.10 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ovno ConSyquence Affraid I can't read the whole thread because i'm at work...
But, with a 15 degree undock cone you could still warp to your insta-undock point.
Maths:
15 deg cone, meaning that at most you will be 7.5 degrees away from the line between the station and you insta undock.
It is 15¦ on both sides of the exit, so a 30¦ cone.
And I dubt that going at wathever speed in another direction is the same as going in the right direction at 75% of your maximum speed.
If I warp to an item and I am some degree off my ship turn till it is fully aligned. Can be simply an animation, but I dubt it.
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2008.03.10 12:12:00 -
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Edited by: Karyuudo Tydraad on 10/03/2008 12:12:45
Originally by: Druzaic
Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad If you can't break the camp, you don't deserve to be able to try to escape repeatedly risk-free. And if an entire corp is camped in by one PvPer, well, they don't deserve to exist in the first place.
You're an idiot.
no u
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Brainless Bimbo
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Posted - 2008.03.10 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ovno ConSyquence Affraid I can't read the whole thread because i'm at work...
But, with a 15 degree undock cone you could still warp to your insta-undock point.
Maths:
15 deg cone, meaning that at most you will be 7.5 degrees away from the line between the station and you insta undock.
You now stay at 100% speed.
So you will be doing 100% at 7.5 degrees off your desired course.
Meaning that the component of your velocity vector in the direction of your insta-undock will be
100 x Cos(7.5)
Which equals 99.14% of your maximum speed.
And as we all know you need to be going at 75% of your maximum speed in the direction of your destination to be able to warp.
So you can still instawarp without problems.
And just in case they mean a 30 degree cone then you would be going at 96.59% of your max which is still fast enough to warp.
So in fact they have not nerfed insta undocks at all and I will enjoy being able to carry on using them.
you didn't miss anything apart from people looking silly ... continued overleaf |
Barzam
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Posted - 2008.03.10 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ovno ConSyquence Affraid I can't read the whole thread because i'm at work...
But, with a 15 degree undock cone you could still warp to your insta-undock point.
Maths:
15 deg cone, meaning that at most you will be 7.5 degrees away from the line between the station and you insta undock.
You now stay at 100% speed.
So you will be doing 100% at 7.5 degrees off your desired course.
Meaning that the component of your velocity vector in the direction of your insta-undock will be
100 x Cos(7.5)
Which equals 99.14% of your maximum speed.
And as we all know you need to be going at 75% of your maximum speed in the direction of your destination to be able to warp.
So you can still instawarp without problems.
And just in case they mean a 30 degree cone then you would be going at 96.59% of your max which is still fast enough to warp.
So in fact they have not nerfed insta undocks at all and I will enjoy being able to carry on using them.
You fail to take into account that ships turn a lot slower at max speed - especially battleships and larger ships will have a hard time to turn the 7.5 degrees required to be in line with their insta.
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