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0raven0
Point-Zero
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.19 05:06:00 -
[121]
 Originally by: Thomina Yorke
Stalemate = Victory.
Yall attacked. For you to win you have to kill them. For them to win they have to not be killed.
Guess what, they aren't killed 
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Val1d
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.19 06:34:00 -
[122]
Originally by: 0raven0
Originally by: Thomina Yorke
Stalemate = Victory.
Yall attacked. For you to win you have to kill them. For them to win they have to not be killed.
Guess what, they aren't killed
And SMASH alliance can talk because?TRASH alliance, excuse SMASH alliance has to be the
worst alliance in the game, 1. you guys have no idea what your doing 2. youd be dead
without ROADKILL and allies 3. you fit moms as if they were frigs , i lol'd when i saw
that SMASH had a mom, and lol'd even harder when it epically failed o and 4. you think
your good because tri attacked you
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Brmble
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 07:19:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Sergeant Spot
In response to the OP
Its pretty simple. BoB will do what it always has: Seek fun pew pew.
haha
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.03.19 08:16:00 -
[124]
Originally by: 0raven0
Originally by: Thomina Yorke
Stalemate = Victory.
Yall attacked. For you to win you have to kill them. For them to win they have to not be killed.
Guess what, they aren't killed
Why is it for a BoB victory enough that they don't die? I recall 3 clear objectives set by BoB.
1. Conquer all of 0.0
2. Goons will never be allowed to build up in 0.0 again
3. 'Chow, we're stealing your targets' at the point where they controlled Feyth and were pushing on Omist/Tenerifis.
If you're saying Goons didn't win, you have a point since they didn't take Delve. But to claim this as a BoB victory?
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Rudi Storm
SGL
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Posted - 2008.03.19 08:26:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Why is it for a BoB victory enough that they don't die? I recall 3 clear objectives set by BoB.
1. Conquer all of 0.0
2. Goons will never be allowed to build up in 0.0 again
3. 'Chow, we're stealing your targets' at the point where they controlled Feyth and were pushing on Omist/Tenerifis.
If you're saying Goons didn't win, you have a point since they didn't take Delve. But to claim this as a BoB victory?
The US had a goal to "spread democracy" in Vietnam. They failed.
Does that mean that from that point on they can never ever win again?
When will you draw a line between now and back then?
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Malaphar
W33D Corp.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.19 08:40:00 -
[126]
Well , the term of "Victory" has many different means according to what event/subject it is related to.
If we go back in time , BoB achieved the "Victory" against ASCN , achieved the "Victory" against all the odds of THAT specific period of time.
If we go further in time from that moment towards the present , even if BoB gave up all those regions to the Coalition with LITTLE or NO defensive efforts , still the Coalition achieved "Victory" by taking those Regions.
Coalition also achieved "Victory" by invading Delve and getting a firm grip on QY6.
In the meanwhile , BoB achieved the "Victory" by defending most of Delve against impossible odds and , especially , because they DID NOT CRUMBLE.
BoB achieved "Victory" by stopping for good the Coalition offensive in Delve.
BoB achieved "Victory" by determining , through their actions, a large part of the Coalition to withdraw from the South , the most important aspect being to determine Red Alliance to withdraw.
If we are to take every aspect and event into consideration , both BoB and the Coalition achieved many "Victories"...we just need to look to all the sides of an issue.
Right now , BoB has the upper hand , but they fought and still fight VERY HARD for that.It is entirely their and their frieds merit. We would be absurd not to admit that.They are doing an excellent job.
@ the guy criticizing SMASH : Dude , SMASH does something that you can barely or never see in other Alliances - SMASH fights for their friends.SMASH help their friends to survive and fight back against unjust actions.I personally participated in the last 2 big fleet battles in 9IZ last weekend and I can say SMASH participated with more than 30% of the caps and support ships that made the fleet.A fleet of 4 Alliances , where SMASH alone had one third of the total ships in the fleet.
So a small piece of advice : study first , analyze deeper second and only after that start posting.
Yours trully ,
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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 09:08:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Rudi Storm
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Why is it for a BoB victory enough that they don't die? I recall 3 clear objectives set by BoB.
1. Conquer all of 0.0
2. Goons will never be allowed to build up in 0.0 again
3. 'Chow, we're stealing your targets' at the point where they controlled Feyth and were pushing on Omist/Tenerifis.
If you're saying Goons didn't win, you have a point since they didn't take Delve. But to claim this as a BoB victory?
The US had a goal to "spread democracy" in Vietnam. They failed.
Does that mean that from that point on they can never ever win again?
When will you draw a line between now and back then?
The US isn't turtled up in Texas, hiding behind a 50 foot wall with vietnamese attacking daily though.
I'll draw the line as them not being dead when they start an offensive that lasts longer than their stront timers.
Originally by: nlewis
jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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maralt
The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.03.19 09:52:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Yorda
I'll draw the line as them not being dead when they start an offensive that lasts longer than their stront timers.
So BOB is dead because they are not killing you fast enough?.
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smitor
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.19 10:23:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
1. Conquer all of 0.0
2. Goons will never be allowed to build up in 0.0 again
3. 'Chow, we're stealing your targets' at the point where they controlled Feyth and were pushing on Omist/Tenerifis.
You are missing the two most important ones, how convenient for you:
4. Get alot of adrenaline pumping fights as often as possible
5. Have fun playing eve while enjoying the community of your brothers
As much as you want to point out how bob has already lost, those 2 points are by far the most important ones and they are currently fullfilled.
Any of the other goals are more depending on the time they were pondered about.
1.) Are you able to say if bob will one day own all 0.0 ? Atm we are as far from it as when the interview was made. It was more and prolly is the ultimate longtime/endgame goal above all others. Politics and landownership change fast, 1 region today, half of eve tomorrow, history proved it more then once.
2.) Did we back then allow goons to build up again until other pressing matters came to our hands ? Is "never" today ? Will you eat humble pie if we beat them one day in the future and fullfill our "goal" ? And even if this one fails or failed, is it enough to quit the game overor hang your head in shame, considering all the enemies and fights we have daily? Or are 4.+5. more important, give us your personal opinion pls.
3.) Did we not enter the conflict and hence stole his targets ? Some of the alliances who were in that conflict didnt even survive the war in their old shape so why is this goal not fullfilled? We got what we wanted, the biggest eve conflict ever on our doorstep to reach goal #4.
You see my dear friend, alot of the goals simply depend on perception and the context of time they were made in.
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maralt
The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.03.19 10:33:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Why is it for a BoB victory enough that they don't die? I recall 3 clear objectives set by BoB.
1. Conquer all of 0.0
2. Goons will never be allowed to build up in 0.0 again
3. 'Chow, we're stealing your targets' at the point where they controlled Feyth and were pushing on Omist/Tenerifis.
If you're saying Goons didn't win, you have a point since they didn't take Delve. But to claim this as a BoB victory?
Personally one of the things i liked about BOB was the fact that they were willing to make such outrageous claims and enjoy doing it while watching all the goonie and BOB haters turn it into a rallying cry. Even now years later seeing ppl using these quotes and waving them around like banners just goes to show how much influence BOB had and still has over so many ppls game play and opinions.
You're all owned .
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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 10:39:00 -
[131]
Originally by: maralt
Originally by: Yorda
I'll draw the line as them not being dead when they start an offensive that lasts longer than their stront timers.
So BOB is dead because they are not killing you fast enough?.
Bob is dead because the only thing they can do is hide behind poorly designed game mechanics, thanks for trying though.
Originally by: nlewis
jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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maralt
The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.03.19 10:57:00 -
[132]
Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 10:59:59
Originally by: Yorda
I'll draw the line as them not being dead when they start an offensive that lasts longer than their stront timers.
So BOB is dead because they are not killing you fast enough?.
Originally by: Yorda
Bob is dead because the only thing they can do is hide behind poorly designed game mechanics, thanks for trying though.
Im sure those RA capital pilots from the other day will be glad to hear that pal. But i must say thats an interesting definition of dead considering your comment below.
Originally by: Yorda
Call me if BOB ever manage to take a cynojammed system off us
So by your measure your dead as well cos your hiding from BOB behind those poorly designed game mechanics as you call them . Nobody told me i would have sent flowers.
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Rudi Storm
SGL
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Posted - 2008.03.19 11:06:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Yorda
Bob is dead because the only thing they can do is hide behind poorly designed game mechanics, thanks for trying though.
Hiding?
The only thing I see of being static / hiding in Delve is you inside QY6. And even there you are being killed when BoB has some spare time.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.03.19 11:07:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Rudi Storm
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Why is it for a BoB victory enough that they don't die? I recall 3 clear objectives set by BoB.
1. Conquer all of 0.0
2. Goons will never be allowed to build up in 0.0 again
3. 'Chow, we're stealing your targets' at the point where they controlled Feyth and were pushing on Omist/Tenerifis.
If you're saying Goons didn't win, you have a point since they didn't take Delve. But to claim this as a BoB victory?
The US had a goal to "spread democracy" in Vietnam. They failed.
Does that mean that from that point on they can never ever win again?
When will you draw a line between now and back then?
You are reading more in my post that I am saying. The US losing in Vietnam doesn't mean they can't ever win again. But if the US had claimed that their goal was to conquer the whole world, then they can't claim victory when they only hold the US own territory. If the US would vow to eradicate the Chinese from the face of the Earth, they can't claim victory after just repelling a Chinese invasion of the USA, while those Chinese still hold Europe and most of Africa. What the US can claim after Vietnam is that they achieved a victory over Iraq in the first Gulf War when they kicked them out of Kuwait.
Or back to BoB. If BoB kick out MC of Period Basis and take it back for themselves, BoB can claim victory against MC. If they kick Bruce out of Fountain, they can claim victory over Bruce. But IMO BoB cannot claim a victory over Goons until they have achieved what they set out to do in the first place, remove goons permanently from 0.0.
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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 11:15:00 -
[135]
Originally by: maralt
Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 10:59:59
Originally by: Yorda
I'll draw the line as them not being dead when they start an offensive that lasts longer than their stront timers.
So BOB is dead because they are not killing you fast enough?.
Originally by: Yorda
Bob is dead because the only thing they can do is hide behind poorly designed game mechanics, thanks for trying though.
Im sure those RA capital pilots from the other day will be glad to hear that pal. But i must say thats an interesting definition of dead considering your comment below.
Originally by: Yorda
Call me if BOB ever manage to take a cynojammed system off us
So by your measure your dead as well cos your hiding from BOB behind those poorly designed game mechanics as you call them. Nobody told me i would have sent flowers.
I'm actually going to be sad the day windypops stops posting. Not only should you go back to 3rd grade to work on your spelling and grammar, but you should probably go back for some reading comprehension too.
Originally by: nlewis
jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 11:15:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Rudi Storm
Originally by: Yorda
Bob is dead because the only thing they can do is hide behind poorly designed game mechanics, thanks for trying though.
Hiding?
The only thing I see of being static / hiding in Delve is you inside QY6. And even there you are being killed when BoB has some spare time.
That's some good spinning.
Originally by: nlewis
jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.03.19 11:16:00 -
[137]
Originally by: smitor
Edited by: smitor on 19/03/2008 10:29:24
Originally by: Malachon Draco
1. Conquer all of 0.0
2. Goons will never be allowed to build up in 0.0 again
3. 'Chow, we're stealing your targets' at the point where they controlled Feyth and were pushing on Omist/Tenerifis.
You are missing the two most important ones, how convenient for you:
4. Get alot of adrenaline pumping fights as often as possible
5. Have fun playing eve while enjoying the community of your brothers
As much as you want to point out how bob has already lost, those 2 points are by far the most important ones and they are currently fullfilled.
First of all, I did not claim BoB lost. I just said that BoB cannot claim victory. Neither can Goons. There is a big gap between 'not being able to claim victory' and 'already lost'.
Secondly, your 4th and 5th objective sound hollow because you did not put them on the forefront until after you started losing. I don't want to speculate as to which are more important 1-3 or 4-5, I am just pointing out that BoBs STATED OBJECTIVES have been 1-3 for a long time, and 4-5 suddenly came up when you started losing.
I am also a bit puzzled how titan DDs give you 'adrenaline pumping fights', unless you mean the pumping motion with one hand as you press the DD button with the other.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.03.19 11:18:00 -
[138]
Originally by: maralt
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Why is it for a BoB victory enough that they don't die? I recall 3 clear objectives set by BoB.
1. Conquer all of 0.0
2. Goons will never be allowed to build up in 0.0 again
3. 'Chow, we're stealing your targets' at the point where they controlled Feyth and were pushing on Omist/Tenerifis.
If you're saying Goons didn't win, you have a point since they didn't take Delve. But to claim this as a BoB victory?
Personally one of the things i liked about BOB was the fact that they were willing to make such outrageous claims and enjoy doing it while watching all the goonie and BOB haters turn it into a rallying cry. Even now years later seeing ppl using these quotes and waving them around like banners just goes to show how much influence BOB had and still has over so many ppls game play and opinions.
You're all owned.
So you're saying that you believe that BoB just made up the outrage about Smoske to get a good fight? Interesting.
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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 11:24:00 -
[139]
Edited by: Yorda on 19/03/2008 11:24:55
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: maralt
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Why is it for a BoB victory enough that they don't die? I recall 3 clear objectives set by BoB.
1. Conquer all of 0.0
2. Goons will never be allowed to build up in 0.0 again
3. 'Chow, we're stealing your targets' at the point where they controlled Feyth and were pushing on Omist/Tenerifis.
If you're saying Goons didn't win, you have a point since they didn't take Delve. But to claim this as a BoB victory?
Personally one of the things i liked about BOB was the fact that they were willing to make such outrageous claims and enjoy doing it while watching all the goonie and BOB haters turn it into a rallying cry. Even now years later seeing ppl using these quotes and waving them around like banners just goes to show how much influence BOB had and still has over so many ppls game play and opinions.
You're all owned.
So you're saying that you believe that BoB just made up the outrage about Smoske to get a good fight? Interesting.
http://drunkenwanderingsthroughspace.blogspot.com/2006/07/regarding-goonswarm.html
http://eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=370578
http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=371427
http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=374208
http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=374208
http://eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=380624
Definatly a joking matter while looking for good fights.
pro tip: "It's a long time since I've seen so many BoB members so utterly ****ed off and angy towards another group of Eve players, no doubt this could be a very long and vitriolic war. So be it, we have business with Goons now and we're going to see it through." is the best part.
Originally by: nlewis
jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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ghost st
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.03.19 11:27:00 -
[140]
The only readon bob is still alive is because the server can only handle s limited amount of people in a system. All bob has to do before an assault is log in as many people as possible, and put thier supercaps at the pos. So only a limited amount of goons can come in.
Before if bob had holed up in one system the goons could have just sieged another system, but now that doesn't work because bob can reposition themselves faster than the goon assault.
Until (or unless) we see better server performance (hopefully sometime before winter ) we will see the true winner. Right now only the lagmonster wins, compared to it both bob and goons fail
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thoth foc
Arcane Technologies
The Five
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Posted - 2008.03.19 11:28:00 -
[141]
Edited by: thoth foc on 19/03/2008 11:28:37
Originally by: Malachon Draco
So you're saying that you believe that BoB just made up the outrage about Smoske to get a good fight? Interesting.
You're debating with a random alt about BOB's motivations.. pr0 forum warrior'ing there..
stick to your thinly veiled slashdot threats tbh
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xBOS (CA)
ATUK (.5.)
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TWD
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.19 11:31:00 -
[142]
The most obvious answer that BoB has just been playing very good is of course wrong.
It's due to broken game mechanics, cheating, exploiting and all other things that can be used as an excuse because the coalition simply does not make mistakes. The coalition has the best leaders and the best PvPers. |
Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 11:35:00 -
[143]
Originally by: TWD
The most obvious answer that BoB has just been playing very good is of course wrong.
It's due to broken game mechanics, cheating, exploiting and all other things that can be used as an excuse because the coalition simply does not make mistakes. The coalition has the best leaders and the best PvPers.
I'm sure if I showed a 5 year old which button to press to DD, and told him to hit it when red squares showed up on his screen he could sit next to a cynojammer and play very good too.
Originally by: nlewis
jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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TWD
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.19 11:36:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Yorda
Originally by: TWD
The most obvious answer that BoB has just been playing very good is of course wrong.
It's due to broken game mechanics, cheating, exploiting and all other things that can be used as an excuse because the coalition simply does not make mistakes. The coalition has the best leaders and the best PvPers.
I'm sure if I showed a 5 year old which button to press to DD, and told him to hit it when red squares showed up on his screen he could sit next to a cynojammer and play very good too.
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Doctor Oda
Domination.
Scorched Earth.
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Posted - 2008.03.19 11:38:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Yorda
Originally by: maralt
Originally by: Yorda
I'll draw the line as them not being dead when they start an offensive that lasts longer than their stront timers.
So BOB is dead because they are not killing you fast enough?.
Bob is dead because the only thing they can do is hide behind poorly designed game mechanics, thanks for trying though.
The day the devs design game mechanic that benifit you and not the others will you come here and drip?
No wait, you use lag, yet no dripping?
You failed, get over it.
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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 11:38:00 -
[146]
Originally by: TWD
Originally by: Yorda
Originally by: TWD
The most obvious answer that BoB has just been playing very good is of course wrong.
It's due to broken game mechanics, cheating, exploiting and all other things that can be used as an excuse because the coalition simply does not make mistakes. The coalition has the best leaders and the best PvPers.
I'm sure if I showed a 5 year old which button to press to DD, and told him to hit it when red squares showed up on his screen he could sit next to a cynojammer and play very good too.
Exactly, those BoB guys don't know how to play fair!
Where did I say anything about fairness?
Originally by: nlewis
jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 11:40:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Doctor Oda
The day the devs design game mechanic that benifit you and not the others will you come here and drip?
No wait, you use lag, yet no dripping?
You failed, get over it.
Goons would benefit more than anyone over having the lag fixed. And cynojammers do benefit us a lot, and hey look I'm still here dripping about them.
Originally by: nlewis
jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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maralt
The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.03.19 11:51:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Yorda
I'm sure if I showed a 5 year old which button to press to DD, and told him to hit it when red squares showed up on his screen he could sit next to a cynojammer and play very good too.
And yet you failed to show ASCN, D2, RA and all the other TITAN owners in EVE to do it.
You go on and on about the TITAN but the fact is that the coalition had almost as many as bob plus a much bigger capital and conventional fleet plus a huge recyclable players base that outnumbered BOB a minimum of 2-1.
But did you develop tactics to beat BOB's?. NO!
Did you use BOB's own tactics to beat them as you easily outnumbered them?. NO!
You ran too CCP crying for a nerf that made 0.0 space holding about spamming fleet after fleet of morons.
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Drutt Warsong
The Circle
STYX.
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Posted - 2008.03.19 11:54:00 -
[149]
if these game mechanics are broken how did the coalition put up all those towers in NOL and get all those caps and that titian in there ?
if they had won that fight then the game mechanics would be just fine.
instead they got their *****'s kicked and bob/the gbc learned how to stop that from happening again and all of a sudden its broken game mechanics.
What you have is BoB and the best of the GBC defending 1 region with all they have. You are attacking the lion in his den and you think your just gonna waltz in and take it like your on parade ?
you could take delve from us if you had the guts and determination to accept historic losses. But you dont, so you want to change the game to make it easy for you.
the game mechanics are fine its just that the coalition cant help but cry cause they cant win fairly.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.03.19 12:07:00 -
[150]
Edited by: Malachon Draco on 19/03/2008 12:07:41
Originally by: thoth foc
Edited by: thoth foc on 19/03/2008 11:28:37
Originally by: Malachon Draco
So you're saying that you believe that BoB just made up the outrage about Smoske to get a good fight? Interesting.
You're debating with a random alt about BOB's motivations.. pr0 forum warrior'ing there..
stick to your thinly veiled slashdot threats tbh
Actually, let me quote something Dianabolic wrote on the same subject a few weeks ago on SHC.
Originally by: Dianabolic on SHC
I'll give you a tip though, dbp said this:
"Everything from then to now, including all the forum posts ever made, has been for one goal: to get a fight and to ruffle eve's 0.0 situation around. I can't see that ever changing regardless of what occurs in delve. The dudes who dredge up coad posts from the past simply don't understand BoB and think that anything said in the past ties BoB to some kind of future response."
Did we say we wanted to control all of EvE?
Did we say that we'd destroy the goons?
Quite a fight it's been, since then, hasn't it?
Well, I don't know about you, but to me this is Dianabolic (or if you believe his quote, DB Preacher) admitting the whole Smoske thing was blown up to get a fight.
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