Originally by: Yorda

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Originally by: maralt

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Q1. It's harder to take regions off people when they dont even have an entire region left, c/d?

My original answer you avoided plus another;

It was your idea to use regions as a yard stick pal if your now saying it was a stupid thing to do cos they only have one left then......


A1. [DENIED] Of course its easier to take part of a region from somebody than several (ok unless the guys doing all the work bail of course)


Q2. Also, where are you getting this not having to risk caps and super caps?.

My original answer you avoided;

GOONS have never had much of a large capital fleet and lets face it you have only just recently put up reasonably sized BS fleets but you have always expected your allies to bring and be willing to lose theirs. I know myself and others left coalition members because i was sick of lag but also because a lot of us were sick of losing high value BS and capital ships so GOONS could gain a bit if space for flying crap.

A lot of the coalition members did not bail because they thought BOB could not be beaten with cyno jammers and titans they did it because they were sick of losing ships and fleets to win the war and gain space for you clowns some of us just figured it out sooner than the others who are stupid and greedy.


I avoid nothing you just ignore it because you do not have an answer to it.

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You still didn't answer my second question, and BoB hasn't taken a region in almost a year, does that mean you should start refering to them as band of failures?

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Originally by: Shamharoth

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I rarely post on the boards, but what I can tell is that Failswarm is actually losing any remnants of good PR thanks to Yorda. Thank GOD for CAOD cleaner (whoever made it, You're my hero).

To the topic: why can't You (Yorda) answer the question: when was the game mechanics broken when You invaded NOL? Where were the omgnowtfpwning titans? Oh wait, they were bloody russian! Or wait... let me see... 319? Did the Blood Raiders get sov 3 and put up an NPC cynojammer? Oh wait, the russians dropped a titan there!

Hm... I must be wrong, cause it seems You're posting bs in incredible quantities.

Sorry for being rude, but I'm just fed up with reading this thread spammed by ppl doing some crappy propaganda.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: WeightedCompanionCube

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Originally by: Garia666

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By surviving they will recieve even more respect then any other alliance.
They will be the only alliance who stood and faught and won.

They will be what they stand for. A band of brothers..

Respect

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BoB will forever be the ones who had a CCP employee give them stuff. Squeezing their entire alliance into a single system to prevend being destroyed is not new either.

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Originally by: Jordan Musgrat

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Originally by: WeightedCompanionCube

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Originally by: Garia666

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By surviving they will recieve even more respect then any other alliance.
They will be the only alliance who stood and faught and won.

They will be what they stand for. A band of brothers..

Respect

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BoB will forever be the ones who had a CCP employee give them stuff. Squeezing their entire alliance into a single system to prevend being destroyed is not new either.

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When you say single system I assume you mean almost entire region. And get over T20, if you're still bringing it up you're either a goon or someone else grasping at straws. It was a year ago. A year ago. You can't keep using it as an excuse to hate bob, sorry. "yes I can Jordan!!!!!" lame.... Ya people always accused bob of being devs even before T20, just like some have accused goons of now that they've won 2 or 3 fights. Get over yourself, sometimes this or that alliance is just better than you, or having a super day.

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Originally by: Jordan Musgrat

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Originally by: WeightedCompanionCube

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Originally by: Garia666

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By surviving they will recieve even more respect then any other alliance.
They will be the only alliance who stood and faught and won.

They will be what they stand for. A band of brothers..

Respect

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BoB will forever be the ones who had a CCP employee give them stuff. Squeezing their entire alliance into a single system to prevend being destroyed is not new either.

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When you say single system I assume you mean almost entire region. And get over T20, if you're still bringing it up you're either a goon or someone else grasping at straws. It was a year ago. A year ago. You can't keep using it as an excuse to hate bob, sorry. "yes I can Jordan!!!!!" lame.... Ya people always accused bob of being devs even before T20, just like some have accused goons of now that they've won 2 or 3 fights. Get over yourself, sometimes this or that alliance is just better than you, or having a super day.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: maralt

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blah blah blah...even though ccp did a full investigation and found nothing... blah blah blah

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Originally by: maralt

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BOB has been defending for that long against well over 2-1 odds and are still neither dead or have lost all their space in fact they have succeeded in holding some their space against great odds and managed to disrupt morale in the coalition so much it has lost a lot of its membership.

So like i said earlier i do not consider BOB to be winning (yet) but neither have/are you for the first quarter of this year and your are supposed to be on the offensive and self proclaimed logistical and diplomatic geniuses.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: Plague Black

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Originally by: maralt

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blah blah blah...even though ccp did a full investigation and found nothing... blah blah blah

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I heard Enron executives also did some research on their failure and found nothing.

Ah, EVE forums, the place to be.

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Originally by: Yorda

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Why would you get over it? It shows a lot about bob mentality that they would get a dev to lead their capital fleet and have BPO's spawned plus whatever else happened behind closed doors.

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Originally by: Yorda

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Originally by: maralt

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BOB has been defending for that long against well over 2-1 odds and are still neither dead or have lost all their space in fact they have succeeded in holding some their space against great odds and managed to disrupt morale in the coalition so much it has lost a lot of its membership.

So like i said earlier i do not consider BOB to be winning (yet) but neither have/are you for the first quarter of this year and your are supposed to be on the offensive and self proclaimed logistical and diplomatic geniuses.

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What's funny is how many old bob members left. Go through a bob fleet and they'll only be a handful of people that have been in bob for over a year. We havn't taken a region in 2.5 months, bob havn't taken one in .... 7? 9? So bob are 3 times the failure Gs is.

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Originally by: maralt

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Originally by: Plague Black

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Originally by: maralt

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blah blah blah...even though ccp did a full investigation and found nothing... blah blah blah

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I heard Enron executives also did some research on their failure and found nothing.

Ah, EVE forums, the place to be.

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Enron execs actualy paid off, ahem*settled out of court personally*ahem, are you claiming to have any evidence what so ever that the BOB leadership did the same?.

EVE is like WWII because......................

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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Originally by: maralt

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Originally by: Plague Black

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Originally by: maralt

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blah blah blah...even though ccp did a full investigation and found nothing... blah blah blah

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I heard Enron executives also did some research on their failure and found nothing.

Ah, EVE forums, the place to be.

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Enron execs actualy paid off, ahem*settled out of court personally*ahem, are you claiming to have any evidence what so ever that the BOB leadership did the same?.

EVE is like WWII because......................

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The problem here is not BoB leadership. Its CCP. If there is anyone BoB should be angry at, its CCP. By the way CCP handled the T20 thing, they destroyed their own credibility and that of BoB at the same time. They knew T20 did something wrong in the summer. But they didnt do anything about it until T20 got found out by a hacker half a year later. And what did they do, they gave him a tiny slap on the wrist and banned the guy who revealed the scandal. Yah, that will make people believe you're serious about cleaning up

If (figuratively speaking of course) instead we had gotten a webcast of Oveur and Kieron dragging a screaming T20 out the back door of CCP followed by the sound of gunshots, and then just Kieron and Oveur walking back inside, CCP might have been able to save their own credibility and that of BoB with it. But after the pathetic handling of the T20 case, the IA department they instated did very little for their credibility. Once you lose trust, its not that easy to get it back.

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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If there is anyone BoB should be angry at, its CCP.

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Originally by: Malachon Draco

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By the way CCP handled the T20 thing, they destroyed their own credibility and that of BoB at the same time.

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Originally by: Dante Barsavi

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I honestly don't care anymore who is winning or losing this fight. I used to. I used to hate Goons for a pic they posted of a deceased BoB member (granted only a few people involved). I used to hate BoB for the T20 fiasco (again only a few people involved and the items were returned). I just got tired of trying to decide who was worse and so i came up with a new way of looking at the whole affair.

Now i give repect to BoB for being a supremely well organized entity that has taken all that the eve universe has been willing to throw at them and held onto their main base. I also respect what the Goons have achieved. Complete noobs to the game and they were targeted for extermination. They had no where near the skill or experience of their opponents so they fashioned an alliance consisting of many of the oldest and most powerful groups in eve plus many many weaker allies and kept it together for over a year. They then pushed the strongest alliance this game has ever seen back to 1 region.

So anyway. There ya have it. I prefer to look at the positives both these groups bring to the game because with-out them both Eve would be a far less interesting place. Keep it up.

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Originally by: KIATolon

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Originally by: Dante Barsavi

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I honestly don't care anymore who is winning or losing this fight. I used to. I used to hate Goons for a pic they posted of a deceased BoB member (granted only a few people involved). I used to hate BoB for the T20 fiasco (again only a few people involved and the items were returned). I just got tired of trying to decide who was worse and so i came up with a new way of looking at the whole affair.

Now i give repect to BoB for being a supremely well organized entity that has taken all that the eve universe has been willing to throw at them and held onto their main base. I also respect what the Goons have achieved. Complete noobs to the game and they were targeted for extermination. They had no where near the skill or experience of their opponents so they fashioned an alliance consisting of many of the oldest and most powerful groups in eve plus many many weaker allies and kept it together for over a year. They then pushed the strongest alliance this game has ever seen back to 1 region.

So anyway. There ya have it. I prefer to look at the positives both these groups bring to the game because with-out them both Eve would be a far less interesting place. Keep it up.

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Best post here. Thanks.

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Originally by: KIATolon

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Originally by: Dante Barsavi

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I honestly don't care anymore who is winning or losing this fight. I used to. I used to hate Goons for a pic they posted of a deceased BoB member (granted only a few people involved). I used to hate BoB for the T20 fiasco (again only a few people involved and the items were returned). I just got tired of trying to decide who was worse and so i came up with a new way of looking at the whole affair.

Now i give repect to BoB for being a supremely well organized entity that has taken all that the eve universe has been willing to throw at them and held onto their main base. I also respect what the Goons have achieved. Complete noobs to the game and they were targeted for extermination. They had no where near the skill or experience of their opponents so they fashioned an alliance consisting of many of the oldest and most powerful groups in eve plus many many weaker allies and kept it together for over a year. They then pushed the strongest alliance this game has ever seen back to 1 region.

So anyway. There ya have it. I prefer to look at the positives both these groups bring to the game because with-out them both Eve would be a far less interesting place. Keep it up.

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Best post here. Thanks.

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CCP Chronotis
Amarr boost is coming in a future dev blog, lets keep this on topic

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Originally by: Yorda

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Originally by: maralt

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BOB has been defending for that long against well over 2-1 odds and are still neither dead or have lost all their space in fact they have succeeded in holding some their space against great odds and managed to disrupt morale in the coalition so much it has lost a lot of its membership.

So like i said earlier i do not consider BOB to be winning (yet) but neither have/are you for the first quarter of this year and your are supposed to be on the offensive and self proclaimed logistical and diplomatic geniuses.

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What's funny is how many old bob members left. Go through a bob fleet and they'll only be a handful of people that have been in bob for over a year. We havn't taken a region in 2.5 months, bob havn't taken one in .... 7? 9? So bob are 3 times the failure Gs is.

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Originally by: WeightedCompanionCube

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If there is one thing BoB is doing supremely well it is painting themself as the small rebel band fighting against overwhelming odds. They have their entire alliance (probably the most powerful in the game in resources, active players and SP) in a single region. The enemy coalition fighting them is larger in the number of pilots in their alliance but is spread over much more space. Only Pandemic Legion is putting a significant percentage of their strength in the field. The other alliances are mostly doing other things they consider to be more fun then fighting in Delve.

BoB members might want to do other things then fight in Delve but they can't. And what a stroke of luck it it for them that the only thing they CAN do is what they WANT to.

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Originally by: Dante Barsavi

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I honestly don't care anymore who is winning or losing this fight. I used to. I used to hate Goons for a pic they posted of a deceased BoB member (granted only a few people involved). I used to hate BoB for the T20 fiasco (again only a few people involved and the items were returned). I just got tired of trying to decide who was worse and so i came up with a new way of looking at the whole affair.

Now i give repect to BoB for being a supremely well organized entity that has taken all that the eve universe has been willing to throw at them and held onto their main base. I also respect what the Goons have achieved. Complete noobs to the game and they were targeted for extermination. They had no where near the skill or experience of their opponents so they fashioned an alliance consisting of many of the oldest and most powerful groups in eve plus many many weaker allies and kept it together for over a year. They then pushed the strongest alliance this game has ever seen back to 1 region.

So anyway. There ya have it. I prefer to look at the positives both these groups bring to the game because with-out them both Eve would be a far less interesting place. Keep it up.

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Originally by: maralt

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While i agree that BOB was the most powerful individual alliance in the game (although they did have allies remember) id say that having a player base of over 30,000 out for your blood and putting up such a good defense that a lot go home is a credit to them. And the fact that BOB held so much space while so outnumbered for so long before the nerf is also quite a tribute as well.

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Originally by: Nekumi

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Originally by: maralt

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While i agree that BOB was the most powerful individual alliance in the game (although they did have allies remember) id say that having a player base of over 30,000 out for your blood and putting up such a good defense that a lot go home is a credit to them. And the fact that BOB held so much space while so outnumbered for so long before the nerf is also quite a tribute as well.

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Which nerf?

Anyway I think BoB do deserve a lot of credit for everything they've achieved. I don't think that's ever been in dispute. At the end of it though it doesn't really matter how many props you get one way or another.

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Originally by: maralt

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Originally by: Nekumi

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Which nerf?

Anyway I think BoB do deserve a lot of credit for everything they've achieved. I don't think that's ever been in dispute. At the end of it though it doesn't really matter how many props you get one way or another.

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The one that allowed the coalition to take space from them or if you prefer the one that stopped them from taking space from the coalition.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: Yorda

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The one that ended the reign of the indestructible fleet-soloing titans? But bob are such elite pvpers, a single ship or two shouldn't effect their entire strategy.

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Originally by: maralt

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Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 16:09:53

Originally by: Yorda

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The one that ended the reign of the indestructible fleet-soloing titans? But bob are such elite pvpers, a single ship or two shouldn't effect their entire strategy.

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You go on and on about the TITAN but the fact is that the coalition had as many as bob plus a much bigger capital and conventional fleet plus a huge recyclable players base that outnumbered BOB a minimum of 2-1.

Q. You have claimed to be diplomatic, logistical and tactical geniuses, but did you develop tactics to beat BOB's?.

A. NO!

Q. You claim that BOB had a dev leading their cap fleets, but even if that is true the fact is I’ve seen monkeys in London zoo imitate ppl after only a few tries, so did you use BOB's own tactics to beat them as you easily outnumbered them or matched them in every ship class?.

A. NO!

Q. What did you do?.

A. You ran too CCP crying for a nerf.

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Originally by: nlewis

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jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were

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Originally by: Yorda

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Originally by: maralt

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The one that ended the reign of the indestructible fleet-soloing titans? But bob are such elite pvpers, a single ship or two shouldn't effect their entire strategy.

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You go on and on about the TITAN but the fact is that the coalition had as many as bob plus a much bigger capital and conventional fleet plus a huge recyclable players base that outnumbered BOB a minimum of 2-1.

Q. You have claimed to be diplomatic, logistical and tactical geniuses, but did you develop tactics to beat BOB's?.

A. NO!

Q. You claim that BOB had a dev leading their cap fleets, but even if that is true the fact is IÆve seen monkeys in London zoo imitate ppl after only a few tries, so did you use BOB's own tactics to beat them as you easily outnumbered them or matched them in every ship class?.

A. NO!

Q. What did you do?.

A. You ran too CCP crying for a nerf.

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