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smitor
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.19 16:26:00 -
[211]
 Originally by: Malachon Draco
First of all, I did not claim BoB lost. I just said that BoB cannot claim victory. Neither can Goons. There is a big gap between 'not being able to claim victory' and 'already lost'.
Secondly, your 4th and 5th objective sound hollow because you did not put them on the forefront until after you started losing. I don't want to speculate as to which are more important 1-3 or 4-5, I am just pointing out that BoBs STATED OBJECTIVES have been 1-3 for a long time, and 4-5 suddenly came up when you started losing.
I am also a bit puzzled how titan DDs give you 'adrenaline pumping fights', unless you mean the pumping motion with one hand as you press the DD button with the other.
Quiet a weak comeback but that was to be exspected.
First of all BoB doesnt claim victory in any way or form if you go by the objectives you laid out. We are enjoying the conflict, its mostly the alts or the COAD crowd who tries to determine when you win or lose. A concept which is very strange to a world where you play an immortal avatar and cant be forced out of the game.
However if you missed points #4 and #5 you either didnt read our posts of the past well enough or you dont know why you pay those 12Ç yourself.
Who plays eve for any other reason then to have fun ? I thought that goes without saying ?
As for the getting fights remark, it has been said in the past a few dozend times by various senior bob members that pvp is our ultimate goal. Yet your selective memory seems to have skipped it every time while still memorizing the "good fights" part which i left out in my reply and you jumped in yours. Seems your subconciousness remembered us stating it somewhere huh ?
As for getting good fights by pushing a DD every now and then: You are quiet deluded if you think even 10% of our fights actually involve a titan, let alone more. The majority of the fights have nothing to do with capships, especially if you set that in context of the existance of bob against the amount of time titans are actually ingame.
Furthermore as Rod Blaine put it on some other forum its quiet funny to see ppl going on about "good" fights. You actually try to say that a good fight has to be a fair one. However thats up to subjective feelings or ? If i fight outnumbered and get x amount of kills and dont die it was a good fight for me personally, if one of our titans DDs in the middle of the lagfest and we win the field it was for me personally also a good fight. Do you want to sue me that i enjoy to value each battle on my own instead of sticking to some concept dictated by you what is good and what is just "a fight" ?
I would even go further and say that despite winning some battles, without a DD if i get killed or made a mistake, regardless of the total outcome i feel it wasnt a good fight because im not happy with my own performance. Something another pilot in the same fleet, joining the same battle might have a different opinion about.
In short, like i said in my intial post, its all about perception and subjective values. You try to force yours on us and thats not working.
If we lose delve i personally wouldnt give a toss aslong as enough ppl bleed for it. So for me personally everytime a coalition fleet dies and we stick out for another day its a victory which keeps me playing and paying my sub. How about you, what motivates you ?
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WeightedCompanionCube
Aperture Science Enrichment Center
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Posted - 2008.03.19 16:31:00 -
[212]
Originally by: maralt
Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 15:35:01
While i agree that BOB was the most powerful individual alliance in the game (although they did have allies remember) id say that having a player base of over 30,000 out for your blood and putting up such a good defense that a lot go home is a credit to them. And the fact that BOB held so much space while so outnumbered for so long before the nerf is also quite a tribute as well.
The 30,000 number is pure nonsense and keeps being thrown around to maintain the myth of BoB fighting against the odds. If it was actual numbers where would have been a 250-man fleet in every single system in Delve and the war would have been over in a week.
Most of the time BoB outnumbers their enemies in Delve by a significant margin in online players in the region (the only thing that matters). At the beginning of the offensive there were perhaps 1000 players actively fighting them, a lot less then the size of the BoB alliance. Maybe if RZR, GS, RA and others lost all their systems except Querious and Paragon Soul so their pilots had no other place to be except at the front would a situation exist where BoB fights the kind of odds they now claim to be fighting.
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Hammerfall Ceo
Hammerfall Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.19 16:33:00 -
[213]
Hammerfall Industries supports bob 100%
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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 16:34:00 -
[214]
Originally by: maralt
Can you not read?.
As i said nothing is or was stopping you from using those tactics as even monkeys from London zoo can mimic ppl. You were losing until the titan nerf because you were either too stupid to use BOB's tactics, unable to develop your own or too afraid of using and risking losing high isk value ships or imho all three, so you cried too ccp for a nerf instead.
Oh the irony.
What tactic are you talking about? sitting next to a pos and remote DDing? Not much tactic involved in that.
Originally by: nlewis
jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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maralt
The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.03.19 16:35:00 -
[215]
Originally by: WeightedCompanionCube
Originally by: maralt
While i agree that BOB was the most powerful individual alliance in the game (although they did have allies remember) id say that having a player base of over 30,000 out for your blood and putting up such a good defense that a lot go home is a credit to them. And the fact that BOB held so much space while so outnumbered for so long before the nerf is also quite a tribute as well.
The 30,000 number is pure nonsense and keeps being thrown around to maintain the myth of BoB fighting against the odds. If it was actual numbers where would have been a 250-man fleet in every single system in Delve and the war would have been over in a week.
Most of the time BoB outnumbers their enemies in Delve by a significant margin in online players in the region (the only thing that matters). At the beginning of the offensive there were perhaps 1000 players actively fighting them, a lot less then the size of the BoB alliance. Maybe if RZR, GS, RA and others lost all their systems except Querious and Paragon Soul so their pilots had no other place to be except at the front would a situation exist where BoB fights the kind of odds they now claim to be fighting.
Its about recyclable pilots, coverage and resources bud nobody is stupid enough to think that you can fit 30k in a single system or have them online in a few systems all at the same time. To hold off that sort of coverage and continued assault for so long is a huge achievement in its self and needs no padding.
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Nekumi
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 16:36:00 -
[216]
Originally by: Tholarim
the entire topic revolves around goons debating **** with supposed bob alts...
give it a ******* rest allready.
You are my new favourite.
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KIATolon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 16:37:00 -
[217]
Originally by: maralt
To hold off that sort of coverage and continued assault for so long is a huge achievement in its self and needs no padding.
They didn't, which is why we're in delve not tenerifis.
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Nekumi
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 16:38:00 -
[218]
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: maralt
To hold off that sort of coverage and continued assault for so long is a huge achievement in its self and needs no padding.
They didn't, which is why we're in delve not tenerifis.
Your such a liar suas, we have lots of people in tenerifis as well.
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maralt
The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.03.19 16:38:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Yorda
Originally by: maralt
Can you not read?.
As i said nothing is or was stopping you from using those tactics as even monkeys from London zoo can mimic ppl. You were losing until the titan nerf because you were either too stupid to use BOB's tactics, unable to develop your own or too afraid of using and risking losing high isk value ships or imho all three, so you cried too ccp for a nerf instead.
Oh the irony.
What tactic are you talking about? sitting next to a pos and remote DDing? Not much tactic involved in that.
And yet even with superiority in every measurable numerical way and the ability to do exactly the same thing to BOB and take their space anyway you chose to go for the "cry to ccp for a nerf" tactic instead of building risking the very same ships.
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maralt
The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.03.19 16:40:00 -
[220]
Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 16:42:45
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: maralt
To hold off that sort of coverage and continued assault for so long is a huge achievement in its self and needs no padding.
They didn't, which is why we're in delve not tenerifis.
How was that dinner you planned on board your flag ship?, i hear the weather in NOL was a bit stormy and sank your fleet.
The indigestion sounds awful as all i have heard for the first quarter of this year is empty rumblings from you .
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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 16:42:00 -
[221]
Originally by: maralt
And yet even with superiority in every measurable numerical way and the ability to do exactly the same thing to BOB and take their space anyway you chose to go for the "cry to ccp for a nerf" tactic instead of building risking the very same ships.
What happened to answering everything? You're not even trying anymore.
Originally by: nlewis
jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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maralt
The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.03.19 16:44:00 -
[222]
Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 16:46:34
Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 16:45:48
Originally by: Yorda
Originally by: maralt
And yet even with superiority in every measurable numerical way and the ability to do exactly the same thing to BOB and take their space anyway you chose to go for the "cry to ccp for a nerf" tactic instead of building risking the very same ships.
What happened to answering everything? You're not even trying anymore.
I added 3 words on the front of my post as you missed the rest in your haste to avoid the content care to comment on the bit you ignored?.
Yes thats one, and yet even with superiority in every measurable numerical way and the ability to do exactly the same thing to BOB and take their space anyway you chose to go for the "cry to ccp for a nerf" tactic instead of building risking the very same ships.
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KIATolon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 16:46:00 -
[223]
Originally by: maralt
Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 16:42:45
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: maralt
To hold off that sort of coverage and continued assault for so long is a huge achievement in its self and needs no padding.
They didn't, which is why we're in delve not tenerifis.
How was that dinner you planned on board your flag ship?, i hear the weather in NOL was a bit stormy and sank your fleet.
The indigestion sounds awful as all i have heard for the first quarter of this year is empty rumblings from you.
ROFL 
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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 16:49:00 -
[224]
Originally by: maralt
Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 16:42:45
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: maralt
To hold off that sort of coverage and continued assault for so long is a huge achievement in its self and needs no padding.
They didn't, which is why we're in delve not tenerifis.
How was that dinner you planned on board your flag ship?, i hear the weather in NOL was a bit stormy and sank your fleet.
The indigestion sounds awful as all i have heard for the first quarter of this year is empty rumblings from you.
We fail at taking one system and you go on about it forever, bob fails at defending every single region they own and you act like their going to make some sort of miraculate recovery.
I guess that's what makes you a fanboi. What happens when bob tell you to shut up and stop posting though? Are you like some sort of stalkerish anoying fanboi?
Originally by: nlewis
jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 16:50:00 -
[225]
Originally by: maralt
Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 16:47:46
Originally by: Yorda
Originally by: maralt
And yet even with superiority in every measurable numerical way and the ability to do exactly the same thing to BOB and take their space anyway you chose to go for the "cry to ccp for a nerf" tactic instead of building risking the very same ships.
What happened to answering everything? You're not even trying anymore.
I added 3 words on the front of my post as you missed the rest in your haste to avoid the content, care to comment on the bit you ignored?.
Yes thats one, and yet even with superiority in every measurable numerical way and the ability to do exactly the same thing to BOB and take their space anyway you chose to go for the "cry to ccp for a nerf" tactic instead of building risking the very same ships.
There's a tiny and very fatal flaw in your analysis: You're an idiot.
Originally by: nlewis
jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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maralt
The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.03.19 16:58:00 -
[226]
Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 17:05:03
Originally by: Yorda
We fail at taking one system and you go on about it forever, bob fails at defending every single region they own and you act like their going to make some sort of miraculate recovery.
I guess that's what makes you a fanboi. What happens when bob tell you to shut up and stop posting though? Are you like some sort of stalkerish anoying fanboi?
1. I dunno if they will recover but i do think that its was a great achievement to stop the coalition in its tracks and kill a few super caps along the way (that was the actual discussion btw), but if anybody can come back while so outnumbered BOB can.
2.Your confusing my dislike for gamers like you as me being a alt or fan of BOB while they are just convenient tools as far as im concerned.
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Nekumi
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 17:06:00 -
[227]
Originally by: maralt
Originally by: Yorda
We fail at taking one system and you go on about it forever, bob fails at defending every single region they own and you act like their going to make some sort of miraculate recovery.
I guess that's what makes you a fanboi. What happens when bob tell you to shut up and stop posting though? Are you like some sort of stalkerish anoying fanboi?
Your confusing my dislike for gamers like you as me being a alt or fan of BOB while they are just convenient tools as far as im concerned.
You're confusing your dislike for gamers like him (and probably me but I can always hope) as not also making you look like a fan of BOB who may be convienient right now but will always be the mark by which you're remembered instead of the dizzying logic and crazy forum prowess you kinda wish you had.
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maralt
The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.03.19 17:15:00 -
[228]
Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 17:23:40
Originally by: Nekumi
Originally by: maralt
Originally by: Yorda
We fail at taking one system and you go on about it forever, bob fails at defending every single region they own and you act like their going to make some sort of miraculate recovery.
I guess that's what makes you a fanboi. What happens when bob tell you to shut up and stop posting though? Are you like some sort of stalkerish anoying fanboi?
Your confusing my dislike for gamers like you as me being a alt or fan of BOB while they are just convenient tools as far as im concerned.
You're confusing your dislike for gamers like him (and probably me but I can always hope) as not also making you look like a fan of BOB who may be convenient right now but will always be the mark by which you're remembered instead of the dizzying logic and crazy forum prowess you kinda wish you had.
Maybe or maybe not i do know i have considerably more respect for gamers who take things the way they are and find new ways of using them over those who want or cry for changes that suit them so if that makes ppl think im a fan of BOB or BOB's style then fine my opinions on gaming style will not change just because they are not the flavor of the month.
I would have no problem with the titan or any other nerfs if it had been about a mechanic that only effected a single alliance or individual group of ppl. But when it is about something that everybody can do if they have the will then as far as im concerned theres nothing stopping them but themselves and their fear of fail and to go after a nerf just because your to stupid, lazy, or too afraid to risk failing at something is just low.
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Nekumi
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 17:23:00 -
[229]
Originally by: maralt
Maybe or maybe not i do know i have considerably more respect for gamers who take things the way they are over those who want or cry for changes that suit them.
I would have no problem with the titan or any other nerfs if it had been about a mechanic that only effected a single alliance or individual group of ppl. But when it is about something that everybody can do if they have the will then as far as im concerned theres nothing stopping them but themselves and their fear of fail and to go after a nerf just because your to stupid, lazy, or too afraid to risk failing at something is just low.
Goons care about respect, especially yours.
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maralt
The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.03.19 17:26:00 -
[230]
Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 17:27:20
Originally by: Nekumi
Originally by: maralt
Maybe or maybe not i do know i have considerably more respect for gamers who take things the way they are over those who want or cry for changes that suit them.
I would have no problem with the titan or any other nerfs if it had been about a mechanic that only effected a single alliance or individual group of ppl. But when it is about something that everybody can do if they have the will then as far as im concerned theres nothing stopping them but themselves and their fear of fail and to go after a nerf just because your to stupid, lazy, or too afraid to risk failing at something is just low.
Goons care about respect, especially yours.
That must be why you ignore my posts and others so much and just get on with your own thing..............
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Vile rat
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 17:27:00 -
[231]
A whole page of you guys getting trolled by some alt? Come on...
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HydroSan
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 17:28:00 -
[232]
BoB just lost 11 (possibly more) caps to RA in Delve, killing only a Chimera.
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Nekumi
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 17:31:00 -
[233]
Originally by: maralt
That must be why you ignore my posts and others so much on caod and just get on with your own thing..............
I thought I was doing you a service by responding to you so much. It helps you and it helps me with my study.
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Kyrie Elaison
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 17:36:00 -
[234]
Goons still dumb enough to reply to weak trolls ITT.
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Ethen Bejorn
Pestilent Industries Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.03.19 17:36:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Nekumi
Goons care about respect, especially yours.
That line doesn't work anymore. We all know you do care. We know how much effort and work you put into what you have achieved thus far in Eve. You can try and say "We didn't want that respect anyway", but honestly, you know you do.
You are failing, your coalition is failing, and now you claim you didn't want that victory or respect anyway. Nice try buddy. You Goons are extremely transparent. After all this time posting on the forums we know you pretty well, and it is quite clear that you do care about Eve, that you care about what this community thinks of you, and you do care if you win or lose this war.
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maralt
The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.03.19 17:39:00 -
[236]
Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 17:41:52
Originally by: Nekumi
Originally by: maralt
That must be why you ignore my posts and others so much on caod and just get on with your own thing..............
I thought I was doing you a service by responding to you so much. It helps you and it helps me with my study.
I will not deny the you give me opportunities to refine my thoughts and opinions and that a lot of the time you can be quite insightful, but your tendency to resort to the Dr nekums persona when you run out of or feel you are losing the argument is i feel beneath you as your normally good if a little bit blinkered in your views and considerably better than others who tend to post one line insults.
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Kyrie Elaison
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 17:41:00 -
[237]
Originally by: Ethen Bejorn
Originally by: Nekumi
Goons care about respect, especially yours.
That line doesn't work anymore. We all know you do care. We know how much effort and work you put into what you have achieved thus far in Eve. You can try and say "We didn't want that respect anyway", but honestly, you know you do.
You are failing, your coalition is failing, and now you claim you didn't want that victory or respect anyway. Nice try buddy. You Goons are extremely transparent. After all this time posting on the forums we know you pretty well, and it is quite clear that you do care about Eve, that you care about what this community thinks of you, and you do care if you win or lose this war.
I guarantee you that we care what a nobody from a nobody corp thinks of us. Rest assured, if nothing else, that much is true.
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Nekumi
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 17:42:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Ethen Bejorn
Originally by: Nekumi
Goons care about respect, especially yours.
That line doesn't work anymore. We all know you do care. We know how much effort and work you put into what you have achieved thus far in Eve. You can try and say "We didn't want that respect anyway", but honestly, you know you do.
You are failing, your coalition is failing, and now you claim you didn't want that victory or respect anyway. Nice try buddy. You Goons are extremely transparent. After all this time posting on the forums we know you pretty well, and it is quite clear that you do care about Eve, that you care about what this community thinks of you, and you do care if you win or lose this war.
You don't really know anything at all dude. Seriously it's not goony to want respect. I mean I know there's a lot of non-goons in the alliance now and they probably do want the respect that most of the general populace craves but at the pure cold heart of goonfleet there is only that drive to destroy this game that everyone really knows is the clarion call for all of those newbies that join in.
The really and truly masterful thing that we have managed to acheive as an alliance is duping so many people into being tools in their own destruction. This is more than alliance politics and this is bigger than any kill/death ratio. This is about ruining everything you hold dear.
This will be done slowly and gradually and then we will move on to something better leaving nothing in our wake.
Welcome to Goons Online.
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Nekumi
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.19 17:44:00 -
[239]
Originally by: maralt
Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 17:41:52
Originally by: Nekumi
Originally by: maralt
That must be why you ignore my posts and others so much on caod and just get on with your own thing..............
I thought I was doing you a service by responding to you so much. It helps you and it helps me with my study.
I will not deny the you give me opportunities to refine my thoughts and opinions and that a lot of the time you can be quite insightful, but your tendency to resort to the Dr nekums persona when you run out of or feel you are losing the argument is i feel beneath you as your normally good if a little bit blinkered in your views and considerably better than others who tend to post one line insults.
That's pretty hurtful dude. I thought we had a connection, even mutual respect. Now I just see you where playing with my feelings. I don't know if I can recover from such a break in perceived comraderie.
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maralt
The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.03.19 17:53:00 -
[240]
Edited by: maralt on 19/03/2008 17:54:09
Originally by: Nekumi
Originally by: Ethen Bejorn
Originally by: Nekumi
Goons care about respect, especially yours.
That line doesn't work anymore. We all know you do care. We know how much effort and work you put into what you have achieved thus far in Eve. You can try and say "We didn't want that respect anyway", but honestly, you know you do.
You are failing, your coalition is failing, and now you claim you didn't want that victory or respect anyway. Nice try buddy. You Goons are extremely transparent. After all this time posting on the forums we know you pretty well, and it is quite clear that you do care about Eve, that you care about what this community thinks of you, and you do care if you win or lose this war.
You don't really know anything at all dude. Seriously it's not goony to want respect. I mean I know there's a lot of non-goons in the alliance now and they probably do want the respect that most of the general populace craves but at the pure cold heart of goonfleet there is only that drive to destroy this game that everyone really knows is the clarion call for all of those newbies that join in.
The really and truly masterful thing that we have managed to acheive as an alliance is duping so many people into being tools in their own destruction. This is more than alliance politics and this is bigger than any kill/death ratio. This is about ruining everything you hold dear.
This will be done slowly and gradually and then we will move on to something better leaving nothing in our wake.
Welcome to Goons Online.
So you wish to be not only renowned and feared in EVE for its destruction but also in the gaming community worldwide?. Yea your not about respect at all lol.
I seem to remember seeing somewhere how much the membership of eve has grown over the last few years so id say you are failing miserably at your goal. But then i suppose all games end eventually and im sure when EVE finally does we will see a member of goonbleat taking the credit and posting a several year old snip from you or some other GOONITE as proof.
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