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Neoptolomeus Aquila Victrix THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.03.18 12:58:00 - [1] Ok, so what is the best of all command ships? It has come to my attention that most people think that EOS (the gallente one) is by far the best of all the command ships, as it can carry a huge amount of drones, changing its "role" from tanker to EW, and etc. But people also told me that the vulture is one of the best caldari shield tankers, as for their passive resistances. The Claymore and the Damnation i dont know them very well, so i cant much give an opinion about it. Also, a question...the 50m3 bonus a Eos receive for its Command ships bonus...is it 50m3 per level, totalizating 250m3 at lvl 5 of command ship? Thats quite a lot! Although you have a limited drone bandwith, its a very good versability when using several diferent drones. But i would like to know from the vet players...the command ships.... in a rank of 1 to 4 (being 1 the best), how would you arrange the ships? Btw, was thinking right now...."capital command ship" that sounds nice! Best Regards, Fly Safe, GodSpeed or Happy Hunting, Neoptolomeus
Neoptolomeus Aquila Victrix THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.03.18 12:58:00 - [2] Ok, so what is the best of all command ships? It has come to my attention that most people think that EOS (the gallente one) is by far the best of all the command ships, as it can carry a huge amount of drones, changing its "role" from tanker to EW, and etc. But people also told me that the vulture is one of the best caldari shield tankers, as for their passive resistances. The Claymore and the Damnation i dont know them very well, so i cant much give an opinion about it. Also, a question...the 50m3 bonus a Eos receive for its Command ships bonus...is it 50m3 per level, totalizating 250m3 at lvl 5 of command ship? Thats quite a lot! Although you have a limited drone bandwith, its a very good versability when using several diferent drones. But i would like to know from the vet players...the command ships.... in a rank of 1 to 4 (being 1 the best), how would you arrange the ships? Btw, was thinking right now...."capital command ship" that sounds nice! Best Regards, Fly Safe, GodSpeed or Happy Hunting, Neoptolomeus
Mashie Saldana Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:03:00 - [3] Stealth whine detector overload.
Mashie Saldana Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:03:00 - [4] Stealth whine detector overload.
Neoptolomeus Aquila Victrix THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:04:00 - [5] Edited by: Neoptolomeus on 18/03/2008 13:05:22 Best Regards, Fly Safe, GodSpeed or Happy Hunting, Neoptolomeus
Neoptolomeus Aquila Victrix THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:04:00 - [6] Edited by: Neoptolomeus on 18/03/2008 13:05:22 Best Regards, Fly Safe, GodSpeed or Happy Hunting, Neoptolomeus
Neoptolomeus Aquila Victrix THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:05:00 - [7] Sorry i didnt "compute" your message... Best Regards, Fly Safe, GodSpeed or Happy Hunting, Neoptolomeus
Neoptolomeus Aquila Victrix THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:05:00 - [8] Sorry i didnt "compute" your message... Best Regards, Fly Safe, GodSpeed or Happy Hunting, Neoptolomeus
Hansoloo Nomadic Wayfarer Syndicate Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:14:00 - [9] Edited by: Hansoloo on 18/03/2008 13:14:24 forget it kid, you wont get an answer. They all have there ups and downs. damnation the best tanker of of all of them, but has the worse damage.. they all have there little ups and little downs.
Hansoloo Nomadic Wayfarer Syndicate Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:14:00 - [10] Edited by: Hansoloo on 18/03/2008 13:14:24 forget it kid, you wont get an answer. They all have there ups and downs. damnation the best tanker of of all of them, but has the worse damage.. they all have there little ups and little downs.
Matsui Hideki Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:15:00 - [11] Sleipnir
Matsui Hideki Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:15:00 - [12] Sleipnir
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:16:00 - [13] Originally by: Neoptolomeus Ok, so what is the best of all command ships? It has come to my attention that most people think that EOS (the gallente one) is by far the best of all the command ships, as it can carry a huge amount of drones, changing its "role" from tanker to EW, and etc. But people also told me that the vulture is one of the best caldari shield tankers, as for their passive resistances. The Claymore and the Damnation i dont know them very well, so i cant much give an opinion about it. Also, a question...the 50m3 bonus a Eos receive for its Command ships bonus...is it 50m3 per level, totalizating 250m3 at lvl 5 of command ship? Thats quite a lot! Although you have a limited drone bandwith, its a very good versability when using several diferent drones. But i would like to know from the vet players...the command ships.... in a rank of 1 to 4 (being 1 the best), how would you arrange the ships? Btw, was thinking right now...."capital command ship" that sounds nice! there is no "best" command ship like there is not "best" ship in this game... all the ships have a role and they fit in it. i can fly amarr, gallente, minmatar commands (fleet and field commands) and i wouldnt say any of them are better than others.. all have a advantage and all have disadvantages ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Neoptolomeus Ok, so what is the best of all command ships? It has come to my attention that most people think that EOS (the gallente one) is by far the best of all the command ships, as it can carry a huge amount of drones, changing its "role" from tanker to EW, and etc. But people also told me that the vulture is one of the best caldari shield tankers, as for their passive resistances. The Claymore and the Damnation i dont know them very well, so i cant much give an opinion about it. Also, a question...the 50m3 bonus a Eos receive for its Command ships bonus...is it 50m3 per level, totalizating 250m3 at lvl 5 of command ship? Thats quite a lot! Although you have a limited drone bandwith, its a very good versability when using several diferent drones. But i would like to know from the vet players...the command ships.... in a rank of 1 to 4 (being 1 the best), how would you arrange the ships? Btw, was thinking right now...."capital command ship" that sounds nice! there is no "best" command ship like there is not "best" ship in this game... all the ships have a role and they fit in it. i can fly amarr, gallente, minmatar commands (fleet and field commands) and i wouldnt say any of them are better than others.. all have a advantage and all have disadvantages ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:18:00 - [15] Originally by: Neoptolomeus Btw, was thinking right now...."capital command ship" that sounds nice! Carriers can already fit a single gang module, and motherships can fit more than one. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:18:00 - [16] Originally by: Neoptolomeus Btw, was thinking right now...."capital command ship" that sounds nice! Carriers can already fit a single gang module, and motherships can fit more than one. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
ForceM POS Builder Inc. Silent Requiem	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:21:00 - [17] Whats up with all those Ships and Module forum topics that end up here? -----
William Alex Viscosity Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:21:00 - [18] Right now you can pickup EOS for just about under build cost it seems. So in that regard I'd say EOS is pretty spliffy. That said the bonus to gams has to be geared to what you're looking to do with the ship.
ForceM POS Builder Inc. Silent Requiem	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:21:00 - [19] Whats up with all those Ships and Module forum topics that end up here? -----
William Alex Viscosity Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:21:00 - [20] Right now you can pickup EOS for just about under build cost it seems. So in that regard I'd say EOS is pretty spliffy. That said the bonus to gams has to be geared to what you're looking to do with the ship.
Nova Satar R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:23:00 - [21] If u want to kill stuff: 1: sleipnir 2:astarte 3:abso 4:nighthawk (in that order of preference, 2 and 3 can be swapped depending on situation) If u want to take a beating: damnation can have a bi_tc_h of a tank, as can the vulture (t2 CDFP rigs) eos used to be an awesome pwnmobile, but it got its teeth kicked in by ccp (and rightly so in this case)
Nova Satar R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:23:00 - [22] If u want to kill stuff: 1: sleipnir 2:astarte 3:abso 4:nighthawk (in that order of preference, 2 and 3 can be swapped depending on situation) If u want to take a beating: damnation can have a bi_tc_h of a tank, as can the vulture (t2 CDFP rigs) eos used to be an awesome pwnmobile, but it got its teeth kicked in by ccp (and rightly so in this case)
Cupdeez Out of Order	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:29:00 - [23] I have 2 Characters with both 50+ mil skill points One is Gall. and the other is Min. Sleipnir > EOS The massive tank and DPS with uber tracking on the 425 autocannon that can reach out to 20km is just dirty. Sleipnir can take a Damnation and its so called uber tank but the damnation can't kill a Sleipnir. Same with the caldari command ships. The Sleipnir also can drop an Astare before the astare takes 1/2 the shields off the Sleipnir.. Sleipnir Sleipnir
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:32:00 - [24] Originally by: Cupdeez I have 2 Characters with both 50+ mil skill points One is Gall. and the other is Min. Sleipnir > EOS The massive tank and DPS with uber tracking on the 425 autocannon that can reach out to 20km is just dirty. Sleipnir can take a Damnation and its so called uber tank but the damnation can't kill a Sleipnir. Same with the caldari command ships. The Sleipnir also can drop an Astare before the astare takes 1/2 the shields off the Sleipnir.. Sleipnir Sleipnir come fight my t2 fit abso... ill BBQ your ass before you get through 50% of my armor :P ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
Everyone Dies Lucky Tampon	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:41:00 - [25] Originally by: Riho Originally by: Cupdeez I have 2 Characters with both 50+ mil skill points One is Gall. and the other is Min. Sleipnir > EOS The massive tank and DPS with uber tracking on the 425 autocannon that can reach out to 20km is just dirty. Sleipnir can take a Damnation and its so called uber tank but the damnation can't kill a Sleipnir. Same with the caldari command ships. The Sleipnir also can drop an Astare before the astare takes 1/2 the shields off the Sleipnir.. Sleipnir Sleipnir come fight my t2 fit abso... ill BBQ your ass before you get through 50% of my armor :P This Absolution > other command ships.
Trolsk Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:42:00 - [26] The one you can afford to lose.
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:43:00 - [27] Originally by: Everyone Dies Originally by: Riho Originally by: Cupdeez I have 2 Characters with both 50+ mil skill points One is Gall. and the other is Min. Sleipnir > EOS The massive tank and DPS with uber tracking on the 425 autocannon that can reach out to 20km is just dirty. Sleipnir can take a Damnation and its so called uber tank but the damnation can't kill a Sleipnir. Same with the caldari command ships. The Sleipnir also can drop an Astare before the astare takes 1/2 the shields off the Sleipnir.. Sleipnir Sleipnir come fight my t2 fit abso... ill BBQ your ass before you get through 50% of my armor :P This Absolution > other command ships. in most cases :D but solo astarte and sleipnir are better... abso can solo.. but not THAT effecivly :( so there is no "best" command... all of them can do something the others cant do ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
Andrue Hammers Academy	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:45:00 - [28] I'm going to stick my neck out and say that for the specific task of running missions the Nighthawk is the best command ship. There are some minor issues with speed of completion due to slightly poor DPS output but they are offset, IMO, by the awesome 23/7 semi-passive tank. It makes mission grinding slightly more boring but at least you know that you have to be a really, really stupid and really, really unlucky to lose your ship. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Neoptolomeus Aquila Victrix THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.03.18 14:04:00 - [29] Edited by: Neoptolomeus on 18/03/2008 14:05:21 Well, the main reason i am looking after a command ship is for the field bonus. I dont intend on using it for solo playing, like mission running, pvping and whatever.(Altough of course that i will) That said, i was cheking out the warfare links, and there are some that are better then other in a "overrall" view. Siege and Armored warfare links are not so good, being as if you¦re using siege and you have a gang member using armor tanking, he receives nothing, same with Armored. So i came down to Information (that conserns EW) and Skirmish (conserns some kind of EW....lol) So IFthe 15% of bonus to warfare link effectiveness (thats at lvl 5 of command ship) makes a difference when handling out a fleet of 150 players, i am considerating getting the EOS or the Claymore. IMO, the eos for the versability of the drones, not to say logistics. Of course, that i would be using it as a "non-combat" ship, being away from the combat scenario! =P Best Regards, Fly Safe, GodSpeed or Happy Hunting, Neoptolomeus
Neoptolomeus Aquila Victrix THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.03.18 14:08:00 - [30] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Neoptolomeus Btw, was thinking right now...."capital command ship" that sounds nice! Carriers can already fit a single gang module, and motherships can fit more than one. I know that carriers and motherships can do that, but i meant a capital command ship that could do that and much more, like give big amounts of bonus to fleet and that kind of stuff. Best Regards, Fly Safe, GodSpeed or Happy Hunting, Neoptolomeus
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.18 14:16:00 - [31] Originally by: Neoptolomeus Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Neoptolomeus Btw, was thinking right now...."capital command ship" that sounds nice! Carriers can already fit a single gang module, and motherships can fit more than one. I know that carriers and motherships can do that, but i meant a capital command ship that could do that and much more, like give big amounts of bonus to fleet and that kind of stuff. giving more bonuses would make titans obsolete.. atm titans are the KINGs of gang bonuses... carriers can allready fit gang mods and allso have logistics in form of remote repping. they allso have quite good dps from fighters and strong tanks.... they are on the edge as being overpowerd... so giving them more would lead to nerfs in some fields ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
Andrue Hammers Academy	Posted - 2008.03.18 14:20:00 - [32] Originally by: Neoptolomeus Edited by: Neoptolomeus on 18/03/2008 14:05:21 Well, the main reason i am looking after a command ship is for the field bonus. I dont intend on using it for solo playing, like mission running, pvping and whatever.(Altough of course that i will) Ah well, in that case the NH is the worst possible CS for you. Pants damage and pants fitting. It'll still tank like a bad'n' but that just means (as happened in the tourny) it gets left until last and then splatted. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Imperator Jora'h Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.18 14:31:00 - [33] Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 18/03/2008 14:46:25 Originally by: Neoptolomeus Edited by: Neoptolomeus on 18/03/2008 14:05:21 Well, the main reason i am looking after a command ship is for the field bonus. I dont intend on using it for solo playing, like mission running, pvping and whatever.(Altough of course that i will) That said, i was cheking out the warfare links, and there are some that are better then other in a "overrall" view. Siege and Armored warfare links are not so good, being as if you¦re using siege and you have a gang member using armor tanking, he receives nothing, same with Armored. So i came down to Information (that conserns EW) and Skirmish (conserns some kind of EW....lol) Eh? Most PvP people opt for armor tanks. As such a Damnation with pimp armored warfare link mods is a welcomed by most any gang you care to find. Yeah, the Damnation's damage is naff but then it is not meant as a damage dealer. It is meant to survive which it does exceptionally well with one of the better tanks in EVE. EDIT: I might add the Damnation is by far the coolest looking of the bunch as well. Never hurts to fly in style. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Sionide THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.03.18 17:40:00 - [34] Just by a 1 1/2 (matar) vs 2 1/2 ratio in race ships people will see more armor tanks than shield tankers. But it's really because armor tankers free up midslots for tackling. Which sucks for matar pilots that train t1 ships, since a majority of t2 ships are shield tankers...sigh.
Neoptolomeus Aquila Victrix THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.03.19 12:18:00 - [35] hum...hum...hum...so this lefts me with more doubts then before. lol I kinda knew this would happen for the reason theres no such thing as the best ships, it all comes down to the situation you are facing it. Anywayz, i think i ll go after the Eos or the Vulture. Hope they make a good diference. Last question: In a PVP situation, which of this CS is the one "better suited" to survive the battle? Best Regards, Fly Safe, GodSpeed or Happy Hunting, Neoptolomeus
Gneeznow SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.03.19 17:53:00 - [36] Leipnir (laser sleipnir *1)
slothe 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.03.19 18:17:00 - [37] stupid discussion tbh no answer can we carry on the thread with "whats the best cake ?" please
Deschenus Maximus Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:24:00 - [38] Originally by: slothe stupid discussion tbh no answer can we carry on the thread with "whats the best cake ?" please Lemon chiffon cake
SoftRevolution Complicity.	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:41:00 - [39] Eccles cake. EVE RELATED CONTENT
Hirana Yoshida	Posted - 2008.03.19 22:06:00 - [40] Dilettante's! Dark Chocolate Cake, Chocolate glazing w. finely ground Arabica coffee
Occamed State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.19 22:34:00 - [41] Edited by: Occamed on 19/03/2008 22:35:04 I bought a toon that had a Drake fitted with 3 gang mods, maxed leader skills... does the same (mission assist) job at a fraction of the cost Black forest gateaux, black cherries n' fresh cream, for those too juvenile to comment or answer the question... OMGFTWPWN'd too! error!
Sionide THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.03.20 06:45:00 - [42] Originally by: slothe stupid discussion tbh no answer can we carry on the thread with "whats the best cake ?" please It's cheesecake, duh. Now let's all argue if that is a cake and the toppings that's best on it.
Grimpak Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.20 07:01:00 - [43] Originally by: Cupdeez I have 2 Characters with both 50+ mil skill points One is Gall. and the other is Min. Sleipnir > EOS The massive tank and DPS with uber tracking on the 425 autocannon that can reach out to 20km is just dirty. Sleipnir can take a Damnation and its so called uber tank but the damnation can't kill a Sleipnir. Same with the caldari command ships. The Sleipnir also can drop an Astare before the astare takes 1/2 the shields off the Sleipnir.. Sleipnir Sleipnir wait, why are you comparing a FIELD command ship with a FLEET command ship? apples and oranges? --- Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Tyranis Marcus	Posted - 2008.03.21 05:56:00 - [44] Put a couple of shots of rum in your cheescake and some blackberries on top. :) Going to be training an alt for the abso I think. Trying to decide if my main char has a use for the nighthawk or not.
Tractory Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.03.23 11:20:00 - [45] Space cake ftw. It tanks like a bastard and deals dirty dps in combination with beer and mushrooms
Sean Faust Swarm of Angry Bees	Posted - 2008.03.24 13:24:00 - [46] Edited by: Sean Faust on 24/03/2008 13:24:47 Seems like you should be looking solely at fleet command ships based on what you want, which means you should completely rule out the Absolution, Astarte, Nighthawk, and Sleipnir. Your comparison is between the Damnation, Vulture, Claymore, and Eos, and in this role, both the Damnation and the Vulture are at the top of the food chain. They both essentially can't die and provide uber bonuses to fleets. The only differences between them are: Damnation = Armor tanker = Armor tanking bonuses Vulture = Shield tanker = Shield tanking bonuses also, Damnation = sexiest ship in game along with any of the black hull variant megathrons, IMHO also: screw cake, Key Lime Pie ftw!

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